Don't get me wrong, he is crazy good. He is not Tania, Leroy, or Happy Chaos levels of good where you switching to him will win you games you had no chance of winning before.
@@sladedari8595 Read again. I didn't say you wouldn't have an easier time or improve your win ratio. I said switching to Ken, or any other top tier tbh, won't allow you to overcome a large gap in skill.
@@mappybc6097 but it does, I got decently high rank off of a punish combo, anti air, and light combo help me beat low master players when I was plat on my old character and now I’m nearly winning most my weeklies, and I don’t main the high tier still
It's a breath of fresh air to hear someone actually go into why characters are strong or top tier, without bias and actually showing the frame data instead of just bad takes with no data
Regardless of how people think about the strength of these characters, I must say I'm impressed with how much detail you go into things. Same thing with the Luke video, many other channels use very vague statements like "god normals", or "have everything" etc, but don't really go into a lot of details. So I really appreciate these videos for actually going over real examples, I hope you do more characters!
People hate Sol because he backs up his claims about the game. SF6 cultists are extremely fragile about their game getting criticized because it means their rank and "skill" are now put into question.
His points all make sense, and he talks about the right problems too, but I personally think he overcomplains about stuff sometimes and overexxagerates them to make it seem like a bigger issue than it is (most of his points are still valid tho)@@thenewkalpa
@OnlyTwentyKharacters I think he's right to be mad when many other content creators don't push back on Capcom for the sake of a sponsorship. It is pretty frustrating when a game is released with little to no real content, and most of the roster is paywalled for like 7 years. And the roster feeling overall streamlined with the way the game plays. It really sucks when Capcom says they only make one patch a year while they have endless time to shove new ads in our face everyday. All that says about Capcom is 1) they are lazy 2) they don't give a crap and try to portray it as confidence in their game. If they really had confidence in their game, they would have released more content and a fuller roster at launch. Stretching out releases is just dangling the "what if the next add on makes things better" carrot for players to stay artificially.
But there is tons of content though, an entire arcade run with tons of custom art for every character, as well as an entire open world RPG that is an amazing intro to all fighting games in general. We have SIXTEEN (or 18 now) incredibly unique and cool characters that all play incredibly uniquely. Were not like Tekken where we can have 32 characters on launch. Also, patching only twice* (you said once which is incorrect) a year a perfectly fine. It gives people time to adapt to patches and truly understand the new meta, just like how the sf6 meta has changed so many times in the past 4-5 months. They also have more time to work on dlc characters and world tour content, which is really important for the casual audience who make up a majority of the player base. (And how does less balance patches make them lazy? They have not only dropped 2 super unique characters in the past 4 months with another on the way, but they need to keep the game the same as they are in the middle of Capcom cup qualifiers. They cant just switch everything up in the middle of the season.) And what do you mean by the "what if the next add on makes things better carrot"? Every single game ever makes players stay because of new content. Saying they're doing something wrong for updating their game is just weird. There is no problem with taking more time to work on things and update the game gradually rather than delaying the game's release date. And by the way, Capcom themselves don't sponsor any players. The only thing close to that is picking teams for the Street Fighter Leagues. @@thenewkalpa
Ken needs buffs for sure, Health increase of 300, jenrai kick needs to be plus, dragon lash needs to be unDIable and unblockable and ODFB should have 3 hits instead of 2
I seriously don't understand why Ken gets a fireball at all with his other rushdown tools. It's like giving a Ferrari the ability to fly. Like, why? Might as well give Ken an AK47.
playing against this character makes me feel like i am in a quick time event where i need to guess the buttons on the screen and i end up in a cutscene..
As a 25+ yr fan of SF series I thank content maker for putting into perspective how cheap mindless and unbalanced SF6 turned out to b few months after release.
Getting hit with an errant cr. mk or jab and getting dragged/sideswitched to the corner so he can mix with Jump HP is so annoying. I can only take solace in the fact that he's spammed on ranked so you just get better fighting him through osmosis.
I do wonder what Capcom be cooking sometimes. Why is Ken not just strong, but given tools that are blatantly better than even his own contemporaries? Why is his DP able to punish fireballs when Luke and Ryu can’t? Does Capcom intentionally want him to be better? Why? He’s not harder to play.
Back in SFV, Ken players constantly complained he was low-tier (when he was really mid at worst) so they mashed their face into the controller for 5 years until Capcom made him arguably top 10. Then Ken players continued to mashed their face into the controller and Capcom felt sympathy and made him top 2 in SF6. I call this the Kenspiracy.
@@junior1388666 It’s not about salt. This logic applies to all the characters. I’m just trying to find the rational if we assume Capcom devs test these characters before release, then why do two moves that functionally operate the same have different properties? This is important in understanding future characters like Akuma that we know is coming and will very likely have a shoryuken and hadoken, ect. Clearly they don’t design just with balance in mind. It doesn’t matter how good he was in previous games vs now.
@@GreenBro11 it's because these are different characters. Luke is better at somethings and Ken ar others Luke has better buttons, better zoning, better damage and that's fine Just bc both are shotos doesn't mean they have to work exactly the same way
My morning was going well, then I decided to watch this. Now my coffee is sour, I’m pissed off, my dog is snarling at me, and my neighbor flipped me off for no reason. Haven’t even turned on the game. Day ruined.
I cannot put into words how happy i am from finding this video ive played other sf before (4 and 5) but i have less than 10 hours combined Sf6 is the first fighting game i want to grind But i can't really understand other ken guides i only hear about combos and other stuff i dont understand But this video gave me sight Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
You can actually see Ryu' cmk is kilometers long. Ken's cmk is true magic bro, it always looks shorter than it actually is. I'm getting hit by cmks all day long lol
I’m not the most informed either, but my impression has always been that ever since they started to differentiate them, Capcom has always gone out of their way to gimp Ken ever so slightly every game vs Ryu. On the one hand they’ll give Ken the more impressive looking DP or throw but make his timing much harder, have combos not connect as easily, give more combo hits but they’ll take less damage overall. All while letting Ryu do things a few frames earlier to connect combos that take more damage in fewer hits and so on that pretty much guarantee he wins PvP. Even now I watch Ryu and don’t completely understand what about him everyone complains about. Some of his combos take 2/3 of opponent healthbars…I don’t see any other characters doing that. I have this low key suspicion they’re letting Ken have his moment for now but after enough updates they’ll nerf him and/or buff critical parts of Ryu’s game to re-establish the old status quo when Akuma arrives.
As a Manon main, I find that because she has almost no typical options like these characters (no low forward to DR, no plus on block normals, VERY slow DR as well as it being short, bad mix-up game, NO REVERSAL outside of super, etc. etc. etc.) it can make the game a dreadful experience. Im currently Diamond 3, so I'm not saying I cant win with her, but its a high stress, kind of low reward venture for the most part. I pick characters Im into, not for who is strong or more capable, and unfortunately, my ballerina is just not able to compete at all until the next balance patch In June of 2024, and that sucks to have to wait for so long going against these types of characters daily. If you look at Idom, he is almost no where to be seen . Yes he does well overall and he does ok in tourneys, but its CLEAR that without Poison or Laura type power for a character, hes stuck being relatively outside the known competitors. Someone like Idom should normally be in the higher realm of current competition but although he does have a good MR online, he really isnt winning anything when it counts. Manon is just bad, and these type of characters like Ken, JP, Juri, Cammy, DJ etc., are playing an entirely different game,. They are playing SF6, the rest of us are not.
Dude just want to say how crazy is you can do pretty optimized stuff with so many characters! I mean I know how to play decently half the cast but having that knowledge on all of these options is another level man. And that's good also cause as a content creator you actually know what you're talking about. Kudos!
@@johnjohnothan5927 It kinda is but I'm talking more about knowledge here which is impressive. Also Jinrai kicks at the corner aren't that easy without proper practice to get the timing right, nothing crazy but still noticeable when you showcase so many characters
If every character had this many options, it wouldn’t be this big of a buzzkill. But the top tiers legit have more tools than others and better versions of anything that’s universal. Two patches a year might be better than one in the long run just to keep the game from getting stale.
I legit don't understand how people stick around with that policy. That's legit criminal, especially when they do endless collabs and ads. Capcom is so f-ing greedy and lazy, and their fans ate the marketing that they "care" now. 🙄
@@yoeski2587Bruh do u even play the game? Guile Smashes Ken in their match-up and so does DJ. Better fireballs and Dj has the the most busted DR in the game, and his damage output is just equal to Ryus, while being better everywhere else, and has better pokes then can which can't be DI'd the way Angry says it can, he recovers just in time to counter it. Guile recovers stupid quick from his booms so jumping in has to be done preempitvely. He also beats damn near everyone in the fireball war, especially Ken. They aren't as popular as Ken, so no one is gonna think they're better, that doesn't mean they AREN'T.
@@Infinite147 You would be correct, until you realize there’s characters that can do the same things Guile can do, but better. When you have projectile gimmicks like JP or fast projectile pressure like Luke, or even offensive pressure like Ken, there’s honestly little reason to main him. He has low usage in tournaments, if he’s really as much of a problem as you describe him to be than he would be more popular than JP, but he isn’t. As for DeeJay, he has plenty of weaknesses. For instance he has no normal overhead, and you can stop a lot of his mixups with a crouching light punch. And any “patient” characters like Guile are a bad matchup for him, and I agree his DR needs a nerf but people were saying the same thing about Juri’s DR and everyone brushed it off as an overreaction. When I lose against DJ, Guile, and Luke at least I feel like it’s my fault, when I play against Ken it’s like everything is in his favor and it’s never my turn, his offensive pressure is easily the most overwhelming in the entire game, JP and Luke are debatable at least but DeeJay and Guile? They don’t come close to Ken.
I agree with nerfing the EX air Tatsu, but Ken doesn't need to be nerfed in general or at least no more than a couple of your suggestions. Ken, JP, Luke, Guile, Cammy, Chun-Li, and Juri (with Marisa and Blanka really close) have great room for fun, though Ken and JP have tools that the rest of the cast do not have and Luke has incredible buttons and on of, if not the best, fireball; and honestly I think Gief (despite having A LOT of flaws), Manon, Kimberly, Rashid, Dhalsim, E. Honda, and Ryu are actually not hard to get to that level (though it would require adding low medium kick into drive rush, improving drive rush on some characters, improving damage on others, adding plus frames, etc.). But Jamie, AKI, and Lily need an enormous amount of work and that, in combination with the large mid-tier and very limited low tier (the last 3 plus Gief) make it feel like the top 3 need to be nerfed. As amazing as Ken is, there isn't an insane gap between him and characters like Chun-Li or Cammy.
rainbow tatsu have to get a humongous hurtbox so the ken that committed to a jump dont go from "eating a DP" to "making a dp whiff and scoring a 50% combo plus placing the guy who didnt jump in the corner".
I find it funny how many of the broken things are literally 3s ken's tools like his ex Air tatsu but 3s players are used to it at this point cause no patches are coming and also there are even more broken things lmao. This ken is a mixture of what was broken in 3s and sfv and even more its crazy how they thought it would be ok.
That and his broken tools where not as bad When compared to the people who are better than him (Chun sf3, Luke Sfv, ect) you could always say that he was good or even amazing but he still had to play the game in some way. Now he's just doing shit for such a little setback that you feel like you're fighting an anime character sometimes.
His options are crazy but there isn't a whole lot of legitimacy to the argument that, "If you do X? He'll just literally read your mind and do Y instead!" Every character can do that. Everybody can shimmy a throw or hit you on wakeup with a meaty button or create spacing traps in block strings. I'd be happy with an 8 frame low forward and less corner carry. If I'm not in the corner after literally every combo I have the option to play neutral and it won't feel so oppressive.
Kens st. fierce is dumb but its funny to me that Ryu's st. fierce is just Ken's but better. Ken is in a wierd spot for me. I play him but i feel he's kind of balanced to a degree. I think his heavy dragonlash being +1 is ok since it looses to DI on reaction and fireballs. I think I'd nerf the distance a bit on ex air tatsu and not recorvery since ken's frame adv ob varies depending on how deep it hits from being normally like -5 to about +3 iirc. I'd definitly nerf back throw tho. Im not sure how you'd nerf jinrai followups. It has its strengths but also has its weaknesses. The low while it frame traps is -5 ob across all versions and you can mash in between the gap of the overhead even on hk jinrai which is +2 or even jump it. Capcom definitely designed it with the intention of being the move you spam on someone in burnout. Hp dp also shoudnt be fireball invul thats very wierd. I think not having access to plus buttons outside of drive rush compared to his other top tier brethen is what really makes me think he's a bit overblown but thats saying instead of Ken being top 1, he's top 2-4 depending. I feel like Capcom should balance other characters after Ken's design than anything. Sorry for the long read but I'm just getting my thoughts out.
To answer ur question about Kens Dp. Ken has alwas been known as the shoryu shoto. Ryus tatsu for example goes over fireballs but kens doesnt. Unfortunately the average/above average ken player dont have the reactions to DP fire balls close range so i personally wouldn't mind if they made kens tatsu go over fireball instead like Ryu. But im assuming capcom wont do that to differentiate the two.
What I put in FGC Saltposting on FB is pertinent here too: "The first most major moment in nerf history: -when the toy company nerf launched with the nerf bow-and-arrow in the early 1990s The second big moment: When they nerf all fuck outta Ken in the first large SF6 balance patch." - me. He's might be C tier when they done. SO MANY casuals gone drop after that patch.
Are you high? We casuals are moving to the next most broken... Lord Akuma :D IN MODERN CONTROLSS!!! Asura warp+Shin Goku Statsu for days!!! Fk combo Structure (Again) lmao Edit: And FK Neutrals and Footsies too! Isshun Sengeki! ';..;'
I said this the first day I tried him. He has the easiest, riskless, 50/50s off multiple options. The thing about EX air tatsu, air recovery universally is way too fast in this game. Trip guarding isn't a thing in this game and it's stupid. You can whiff air attacks without a care in the world and aerial attacks in general are degenerate as fuck in this game. Worse than MK11 imo.
I think making h dragonlash 0 or minus makes the move just straight up trash and there would be no reason to use this move ever. Only reasonable nerf imo is to make it slightly slower so you have a bigger chance to hit him out of it. He for sure doesn't need 5000 of an overhead so just remove the super cancel. Ex air tatsu im conflicted on, it propably needs some nerfs, maybe no combo on cross ups, making it have too much recovery i think would make the risk reward too bad. The weird run tatsu combos should be removed, it already takes you to the corner, no reason for it to also delete your healthbar. Jinrai enders shouldn't give a combo on counter. Overall corner carry needs to be turned down a bit, not too much though since it is somewhat of a ken's thing he had pretty much always. These are the nerfs i would give him, so that he isn't as opressive as he is currently, but also don't outright destroy the character. He would still be pretty strong, but i think it's for the best, if you acordingly buff/nerf the rest of the cast, so they are closer to that level. I don't think anyone wants to nerf everyone to zangief lvl lol.
Also remove the cr. lp into tc combo so he doesn't get you to the corner from literally every hit Also his meterless sideswitch should do less dmg, make it scale harder and/or no full conect lvl3. He for sure does too much in this game, but i'd rather have this instead of whatever jp is doing.
Here's the thing, between both Ken & Luke tho that their both shotos they have different fighting styles and each have their strengths & weaknesses. However Ken is overall more difficult to deal with than Luke for everything that he does is unbalance & unfair that will lead his opponent in the corner with every option that he has. It is why he & JP are consider to be the most problematic out of 3. Don't get me wrong Luke is also accountable as well but when it comes to who will get nerf the less it would probably be him best bet.
Kens ex air tatsu is hard to combo into but if done correctly it can take out around 60% damage. If blocking a ex DP from either ken or Ryu can lead into a air ex tatsu combo Hard to pull but deadly Ken needs extra damage though lol Sucks though cause you need to have the enemy do a Ex DP
I kinda gave up trying to DI jinrai kicks. So lately I've been trying to listen to audio cues for which one it is and when it's medium try to go for an timed OS. This shit is hard.
Everyone keeps talking up Ken, but in the MR league, the average of ken players in the top 400 haven't performed in the top 5 compared to the rest of the cast.
Also want to say thank you for this video! I got to masters with Ken without even knowing ken can do This sort of stuff Now that I’m implying it to my style of play I can see why ken is a little good lol But Luke…man
I only agree with Jinrai and st.HP, Dragon P is fine unless we want to homogenous ken with ryu and make his base no run tatsu FB invuln because other wise he is gonna die in a FB war against good zoners
This is an awesome Ken tutorial 😂 I know Ken needs to be nerfed but man i really hope they dont overdo it. Ive never had so much fun with Ken. By FAR the best version of Ken!
angry bird did a video "how to play against ken" basically what he said was : dont get hit and pray you guessed right 🤣 the char is shoto p0rn for all shoto lovers ...lets laugh cause im tired to cry
No Nerfing ken that takes the fun out of the game yo they need to nerf cheap JP. Ken is only god like in the hands of pro players where the average joe still struggles to play ken at your level
Your ideas would overnerf him but I do think he needs revisions. Hopefully Capcom has better ideas than us. Personally I think reducing the distance his tatsu goes in general and making 2MK 8 frames startup would go a long way already.
Thanks sonic, in all your salt and rantings made me appreciate the character as I felt he paled in comparison to his sf5 conterpart, his st.hp and cr.mk were godlike in 5 so It only made sense to make them great tools in 6 as well, I'd say to let ken have his time to shine its well deserved after all the nonsense in 5.
@@skychaos87plus Buff everything is a toxic development decision and makes the gameplay loop awful. Plus even IF you buff characters to a similar level NOT EVERYONE WILL BE MADE EQUAL. That's just how life is. Even games like DNF where they did that same thing and now everyone calls that game trash.
Any time that you: 1) Whiff a move, and 2) Ken throws an OD fireball, and 3) it lands as a punish counter... XD Second example of Ken being "busted": He can be plus on block with Drive Rush. XD Third example: Ken can cancel jab into cr.MK on CH. XD - I'm done here. Enjoy the patch!
lol i played a few characters to master, Ken was actually the easiest, i used only 50% of his kit and got up to master. He was actually easier to get to master than JP, cuz JP actually had alot of technical combos and his neutral buttons aren't as intuitive lol but ken i didn't have to learn any of that.
