Why Is La Mulana 2 The Best Sequel Ever?

Подписаться 33 тыс.

Просмотров 27 тыс.

50% 1

A series that has always been close to my heart finally gets the over elaboration it deserves! Im back after three years to talk about a game nobody cares about, but perhaps they should. A hardcore metroidvania with its heart and soul poured into devious puzzles and fantastic world building with phenomenal art and music to top it all off.
Support the channel via Patreon here! / flimsii
Artwork by my darling Rubyfair: / rubyfair
Mundane tweets and bad hot takes found here! / flimsii
If you would like to make a one time donation, you can make it here: streamlabs.com...

Опубликовано:

28 сен 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 197

@shingshongshamalama 8 месяцев назад

I feel like the way they present the information so bluntly in the manual illustrates the fact that they _designed the Holy Grail puzzle poorly_ from the very beginning, obviously _realized_ it wasn't giving players enough contextual clues to work it out, and then instead of redesigning things to enable players to work it out, they just spoil the puzzle in the manual. Which kinda ruins the bigger puzzle of figuring out how the ruins structurally work, which was always intended from the very start to be a huge central mystery you HAVE to solve to beat the game.

@rileys.9901 3 года назад

This dude took 3 years off then doesn't even mention it

@dreamtop6880 Год назад

What's even funnier about the death trap at 11:40 is that it's very similar to another trap in the first game that tries to kill you after beating a boss, but that one would actually drop, so they intentionally tried to screw you over for being a fan and going "OH hey I remember that and how it killed me in the last game, I'll just stand here so that it won't kill me this ti-"

@aleblanc6904 Год назад

To be fair, they warn you about it, Hermes (I think) tells you that Eg-Lana is inspired by La-Mulana, but that that doesn't mean that things work the same way.

@jorisdevos5070 2 года назад

16:15 I didn't know that bad box art megaman was a strange mythological creature lol.

@knvs2931 4 месяца назад

Oh god I did NOT realize that was actually a megaman nod until you pointed it out. Always thought it was funny how he was named MEGAROCK and now it hit me why lol

@IIoWoII 3 года назад

If only Fitzthistlewits came back too. Or at least repost the lost mail cube episode.

@Unr3aler 3 года назад

Sorry to bear the news but he died.

@ImmaLittlePip 3 года назад

@@Unr3aler Whaaat

@refusesack4897 3 года назад

@@ImmaLittlePip he killed himself

@shadr_ 3 года назад

@@refusesack4897 Proof?

@refusesack4897 3 года назад

@@shadr_ his latest video

@tannic4852 3 года назад

Flimsii confirmed alive(insert coolio Kenny music here) Stages of back Back (I am here) Back Back Back Back Grasping as back 101

@Deditionis 3 года назад

Does this mean Fitz will come back too?

@MizterMoonshine 3 года назад

Nope

@Riccardo-mj9kj 3 года назад

He's Mechagamezilla

@KuroOnehalf 3 года назад

Great essay! I love La-Mulana 2 to bits, and it saddened me to see how under the radar it went. Even people who claim to like the aspects that LM2 is so good at didn't seem to have paid any mind to it. And then it had the cosmically bad luck of releasing its console edition as a worldwide pandemic struck. I can only hope that this doesn't discourage Nigoro from making more games, as they're one of the great developers of our time.

@wolfumz 2 года назад

I just finished La-Mulana 1, where I played as much as I could without a guide, kept notes, alphabet, maps, the works. I'm debating playing LM2. There were 4-5 puzzles in LM1 that I felt were totally impossible for me to solve on my own: The notorious "plumbing" warp to get water flowing into the Tower of the Goddess, opening up big brother's shop in the Twin Labyrinth, shenanigans in the Gate of Illusion, getting Xelpud to help you obtain the diary, and even the final Mantra puzzle. I was stuck for a very long time on trying to find the model plane in the Tower of Goddess. I did something, and a dais spawned, somewhere... but I had no idea. I had spent so much time wandering from screen to screen, whipping the walls, that I had become blind to this new unused dais just sitting in the middle of the room. Looking up the 'plumbing' warp, I was feeling like, "well, I couldn't have solved that, but otherwise, I'm muddling along here..." That feeling disappeared by the time I was at the final boss, and I resorted to a guide on multiple occasions. After pushing through 70+ hrs, spending so much time wandering, and multiple puzzles where I used a guide and felt like it would be impossible without a guide... it was just starting to get tiring and wear me down. I was very happy at the beginning/middle of the game, but not very happy at the end of the game... how does it compare to LM2?

@KuroOnehalf 2 года назад

@@wolfumz LM2 is definitely better about that. I think I resorted to asking for a hint on the steam forums only once or twice for the whole game. Even if you get stuck on one or two puzzles, they're so cool that it's a must play. And you'll really appreciate the QOL changes from LM1. :p

@wolfumz 2 года назад

@@KuroOnehalf you know what, dude, I'm going to try out LM2, then. Thanks for sharing your experience with me.

@KuroOnehalf 2 года назад

@@wolfumz If you got through LM1 then you're primed to love LM2. I hope you do! :p

@legrandliseurtri7495 9 месяцев назад

@@wolfumz Wait, so you're telling me you didn't have problems with the chamber of birth? That was by far the hardest area for me. I barely solved any puzzle there on my own.

@IIoWoII 3 года назад

Flimsii, when are you playing artificial difficulty: the game remake?

@ThePlayerWithPaws 3 года назад

3 years sounds about right for a La-Mulana video. Welcome back Flimsii

@GhERM2SOIED72 3 года назад

Thank you for spreading the word of these great games. LM2 is definitely better for setting player expectations and tutorialization, and does WONDERS for the lore. I will say that in LM1 (and 2), the endurance style challenge is part of the fun, and if that "poorly signposted" can be interchangeable with "well hidden" in the case of puzzle solutions.

@Saiphel 2 месяца назад

14:10 It does. If you enable both Map Readers you can see secret rooms highlighted in pink!

@NezMog 3 года назад

The triumphant return of Flimsii

@LastSider Месяц назад

Hell, to have fun in the first game, have someone feed you hints. I beat it while having a walkthrough on a notepad.

@chrisjags 3 года назад

La Mulana 2 was the best game I played this year. I loved it, but I can't convince anyone I know to play it.

@alexbrzeski4822 3 года назад

this makes me want to pick up la mulana 2 again, but id be lost as fuck on my save file. feels bad man

@chrism5215 3 года назад

I see La Mulana, I watch La Mulana, I thumbs up La Mulana. Sorry, I'm a simple man.

@HeavyMetalMouse 2 года назад

As a diehard fan of both games, I can say you hit the nail on the head soundly. The Holy Grain Puzzle is what I've called to prospective players "The Filter" of La Mulana - If you can play the game up to the point where you get the Holy Grail, and still be enjoying yourself, then this game is for you, and you're in for one heck of a fun ride. If you find yourself not enjoying the game by the time you find the Grail, then you probably will feel that way throughout most of the game, and would probably be better off playing something else. If you can't find the Grail at all, and resort to a guide, then that's probably how you're going to be playing the rest of the game - there's nothing inherently wrong with using guides, but it is a decision and a particular way to experience games that has its own effect on the experience. La Mulana 2 is far more accessible, as the video here states very well. My making the punishments less punishing, it is able to make the difficult puzzles or platforming and combat challenges more difficult without making them unfun to play. This is turned up to 11 in the DLC, where a Difficult Endgame Dunegon is added that will make you die. A lot. But it will always give you the tools to keep trying and get back into the action to keep making progress. I highly recommend both games, but LM2 definitely is the one I would suggest to the wider audience of players. :)

@legrandliseurtri7495 9 месяцев назад

I resorted to a guide to find the holy grail, and it took me several more hours for me to understand how to open the map and teleport. Didn't realize I needed to press FN and then F1(or F2? I don't remember)lol. So I played the game for quite a while with no map and without being able to teleport. I defeated three guardians, mostly without help, did a bunch of other stuff, but then I beat the guardian of the temple of sun, which requires you to either be able to teleport or have the twin statue. After asking around on the internet, I finally found out how to open the map and teleport. I finished the game almost a year later. I got through gates of illusion, endless corridor&tower of the goddess with almost no help from guides, but the closer I got to the endgame, the less patience I had. I would say that I solved less than a third of all the puzzles in chamber of birth: that area broke me. Now I'm playing La-Mulana 2. I've used a guide less than 10 times since I started playing this game, and oftentimes I only looked up very specific small things(like the location of the breakable wall to access the room where you get the moon mantra: I knew the moon mantra was there somewhere for a while, and once I was in the room I instantly solved the small puzzle to get the moon mantra). I think it's partly because the game is more accessible, yeah, but I also think I've gotten better at the kind of puzzles that La-Mulana wants you to solve.

@koltvienzzaichard7307 Год назад

18:30 , you have no idea, how this, blew my mind when you discovered something later in the game after completing a huge side puzzle in Ancient Chaos. All the map layouts are related to the pictures you saw at the first time you entered the area, the map layout of the Roots of Yggdrasil is the same as the picture of the Yggdrasil you've been given when you first enter the area, even the tablets you read scattered over the same area has a picture of the Roots of Yggdrasil in the bottom left of the screen, seriously, I have to look every map and see if they're all the same, to my shock, they are, now it makes sense why the Takagamahara Shrine is explicitly connected to the Heaven's Labyrinth, you can see in the trial itself that, the "neck" of the colossal dragon (Literally the layout of the Takagamahara Shrine itself) is at the "jaws" of the fiend monster (Literally the layout of the Heaven's Labyrinth itself) Blew my mind too much, knowing I ran through the levels of the layout in the pictures you've seen when you entered the area.

@eirikpettersen3257 3 года назад

My La Mulana run ended about 20 hours in, when I tried to beat the running lizard boss on hard mode without proper gear. Absolute nightmare, it completely broke me.

@cyrusdexterman 3 года назад

Great video as always Flimsii

@royaloreo1275 20 дней назад

So the snake-well thing makes me conclude lamulana is a riddle game.

@roujiteku2114 3 года назад

Be my eyes deceive me? A Flimsii video? A Christmas fucking miracle. Great video.

@averagewagon7574 3 года назад

be not afraid

@tannic4852 3 года назад

So......... you gonna address the 3 YEARS!?!?? WHERE IS MY THE WALKING DEAD SIERIS

@AstralPhnx 3 года назад

La Mulana 1 kicking your balls in is part of the charm for me tbh. I appreciate the second game being more open though and would recommend new players play that before 1 but I feel both games are worth playing. La Mulana is a game that teaches you to be careful and I like that Also yes, the gun is great

@CapitalistOverlord 3 года назад

blast from the past

@Walpurgisnackt Год назад

I hated 1 so I never tried 2 so this is really helpful to know

@hunterdibenedetto6831 Год назад

After playing 1 then 2 before going back a while later to finish 1 and am now working on restarting 2, I can say the gate of Illusion deserved even worse than what it got in 2.

@FludentAnis 3 года назад

Kept us waiting, huh?

@Shashoification 3 года назад

Good to see you flims

@Teshkul 3 года назад

good luck man

@theawesome288 3 года назад

Holy shit he's back

@FuryousD 2 года назад

honestly playing through 2 i haven't been able to figure out how to even get into the Roots of Yggdrasil, at least i figured out how to enter the Gates Of Guidance pre damn easily i might add although i needed this video to figure out how to get the Holy Grail since yea i didn't own the original so no manual to look at

@HeadHunter-mv2ht 3 года назад

and now it is getting its own DLC. . .

@DanYami 2 года назад

FISH KING

@shipped_my_pants_3000 3 года назад

The best way to describe this is the spiritual lovechild of Goonies 2 for the NES and Pitfall II for Atari 2600

@OrangeReviews 3 года назад

Still uploads more frequently than mechagamezilla

@goetworks 3 года назад

OH MY GOD

@Sudo512 3 года назад

God has returned

@hyrulianeffery 2 года назад

Great video, seriously sparked my interest in these games Do you have any advice for getting into La Mulana 1 aside from reading the manual?

@IIoWoII 3 года назад

> Makes a patreon > Stops making videos Sorry if it was for my fitz comment, I like your stuff in itself too.

@Zaurthur 2 года назад

This video is a long explanation of why La Mulana 2 is not nearly as good as the original. It's weird to me that it is presented in the reverse.

@6lbsofshrimp 3 года назад

Holy shit, I actually checked out your channel yesterday and was like "Damn where he go" Almost unsubbed too holy fuckkk

@B4dr4bbit 10 месяцев назад

Feels like this game is just for masochists still, and i say that as someone who keeps subjecting himself to Souls Like, but this has the energy of a D&D camaign with a jerk of a DM.

@TheArmenianHorseman 3 года назад

This is amazing

@guhguh22 3 года назад

YO YO YO THE FUCK?

@soulsidejourney2693 2 года назад

well, this channel's more dead than the future of britain.

@castingflare1510 3 года назад

YOOO

@scrim6398 3 года назад

What the fuck.

@Schmangrovius 3 года назад

I dont remember u

@Demortixx Год назад

@daviddavidson6289 2 года назад

Yeah, but I'm not going to play as a woman, so it's a very easy skip.

@mattmark94 3 года назад

Kept you waiting huh?

@matthewball9851 3 года назад

holy shit he's back

@TajMalice 3 года назад

Only took a global pandemic to bring ya back, eh?

@danakroid7172 3 года назад

HE'S NOT DEAD

@SilentHellVG 3 года назад

HE'S SURELY ALIVE!

@Crafty420 3 года назад

@@SilentHellVG Fuck I'm late and he's gonna be gone for 3 more years

@ImmaLittlePip 3 года назад

STILL. NOT! BITTEN

@thegoose8663 10 месяцев назад

HE IS

@newto2794 10 месяцев назад

Spoke too fast

@thatwalder 3 года назад

I miss this Flimsii good to see you back

@SunsetSullivan 3 года назад

I was one of the people who got filtered by the Holy Grail puzzle, so seeing that LM2 is both fairer about its direction given to the player and smarter with how it dishes out the puzzles and hints means that I might give this a try. Solid analysis of both games.

@MaurycyZarzycki 10 месяцев назад

Two years later, did you give LM2 a try?

@Higurashi93 3 года назад

I was confused as hell when I checked my subscribed page and saw this video. I actually had to ask myself who the hell you were. Good to see you uploading again.

@00Discourse00 3 года назад

M-matthewmatosis? Is that you?

@GameGod77 3 года назад

This dude is Scottish, not Irish.

@Hexakinase 3 года назад

I was too smooth-brained to make it through either the original La-mulana or La-mulana 2 without a guide, but I still had a good time. The platforming, music, and boss fights are all great.

@Draffut2003 10 месяцев назад

Almost no one beat all of the original without any help.

@serepraxis7182 3 года назад

he's back

@heartlessmushroom 3 года назад

Another great couple of improvements you forgot to mention is how you get the software that allows you to teleport you to the "backsides" quite early on and how Fairies work. To give context to anyone unfamilia, both games have four kinds of fairies: Healing, Attack, Money and Key fairies. The First one of the most common to get while the latter 2 will often be required to proceed through the game or obtain gear that will make your playthrough easier. In La-Mulana 1, trying for fairies is random unless you set up a specific software combination. In La-Mulana 2 the kind of fairy you get is a consistent patten: every 3rd try after the first always gets you a weapon fairy, every 5th a money fairy and every 7th a key fairy.

@boiamondo 7 месяцев назад

finished the game recently and i have something to point out in this 3 year old video about the "where is this?" puzzle... my third way of solving this puzzle was instead watching the image on the tablet itself, remembering another hint about the mouth of the dragon and realizing the map itself had the same shape of the dragon on the tablet.

@rowanwilson5859 Год назад

A note about the fake wall in the temple of moonlight- At a certain point in the game, you get an upgrade to your map that allows you to see "hidden rooms". So the intentional non accidental/hit every fake wall way to find it is to get the map upgrade, see that there' s a hidden room there and then find it. There are definitely two maybe three spots in LM1 that are missing hints, and the holy grail puzzle is terrible, but the game does provide hints for most things.

@IAmEnormous 3 года назад

11:36 brilliant comedic timing

@volpe2077 3 года назад

Man, thank you for making a video on La-Mulana 1 and 2! There aren't enough video essays about them around (or any at all, really) when the games are so ripe with material for discussion and analysis. It's also a shame there doesn't seem to be much of a community around these games.

@AstralPhnx 3 года назад

Also worth noting, the best version of La Mulana 1 is... Sadly the now delisted PS Vita version La Mulana EX which has improved puzzle design, better hints, a glossary etc. I dunno if this is the version they later ported to switch but I don't think it is which is gutting

@pilgrimspromise1132 Год назад

I am 14 hours into this game at dead ends every single area and no one clue how to progress at all. It's a blast 😊

@mister-monkeyman 3 года назад

Only real OG niggas here

@kingoppsanti5830 2 года назад

Tempted to get this game. Part 1 was so brutal.

@didma 3 года назад

16:14 megaman

@xAustishx 6 месяцев назад

And when the world needed him most... he vanished.

@Philitron128 3 года назад

Dude I didn't get any notifications for this at all. Believe you me when I say that I would have killed a man to watch even one single second of your content.

@BruTalc 3 года назад

return of the 👑 this is my favorite of your analytical videos, great job

@DJtheEmoPirate Год назад

I really enjoyed playing La-Mulana 2 right as lockdown kicked in. I went hard on the game, drawing out each room and taking notes on every NPC and tablet in a notepad with different coloured pens based on the colour of the text they used. Eventually I reached the Brahma puzzle, which I felt would be endgame so left it til I had finished everything else. I spent the better part of an hour pouring over all my maps and notes and what not, connecting all the dots and piecing the whole thing together. Finally it all clicked, and I was able to confidently solve the puzzle... Just to find out the reward was useless as I had already collected all of the items! Never have I felt both so accomplished and so disappointed!

@pepekong 3 года назад

Regarding the first boss from the first game, don't ask me how but that was like the fourth boss I fought lmao

@BlondeMcGuinn 3 года назад

Thank you for the in-depth review! This game looks awesome! I haven’t played the first one and I’m really reluctant to buy this one even though it looks fun. The obscure puzzles turn me off. There is great satisfaction to be had in figuring shit out for yourself but the frustration in being stuck is awful. I don’t mind consulting guides but I fear I might be watching a walkthrough my entire time in the game. I might give it a go.

@Evideclin 2 года назад

Any updates?

@huge_letters 3 года назад

wtf dude welcome back

@sheepyCBT 3 года назад

omg im ready for jar jar binks n slammin AM vidfeo 2 the sequel!!! wait wtf is this horsehshit indie game? unsubscribed.

@TheOblomoff 3 года назад

I never considered achievements as trustworthy source. Some buy a game for collection or to support the developer or get gifted it. And never actually launch the game. Some games have even achievements like 'finish your first match' and only about 66% obtained it.

@aimnothingg 3 года назад

holy shit punished flimsii returns

@jealousyofthesun 3 года назад

Kept us waiting huh

@STANNco Год назад

should you player la mulana 2 without playing la mulana 1? Cause i've gotten a tiny chunk into the first, but if it only get's more obtuse forward maybe i don't wanna lol

@Vokoca 2 месяца назад

I've put a couple dozen hours into La Mulana 1 without a guide, but the feeling of barely making any progress while crawling through the same area(s) over and over until I realised I missed some hidden wall here, or forgot to kill an enemy there, combined with the resource management that had you backtrack all the time (the consumables, and especially the godawful hotsprings system), turned me off and I dropped the game after I realized I wasn't really enjoying it that much. I didn't make it that far (couple guardians in, found the other side stages), but it felt like 95% of the puzzles I did weren't solved by thinking, but hitting every single wall on the screen until something worked. I still liked the core idea of the game though, so if the sequel tones this kind of thing down, I am actually really excited to try it.

@jacobislucas 3 года назад

Glad to see you back buddy :)

@carljones982 3 года назад

Free Sakit

@LLtrash 3 года назад

Man fucking RU-vid buried this video. Didn't even show up on my feed.

@antsweaters 3 года назад

thank you for talking about one of my favourite games!!! lovely video

@KolpoPirate 3 года назад

there's no point in taking steam achievements as a serious point of reference an overwhelming majority of users collects games but never plays them

@PeterHHuis 3 года назад

Wasn’t expecting to see you in my sub box again. Love your commentary and analysis.

@SoulBL4D3 7 месяцев назад

the section at 14:02 with the pyramids has more to it, you learn that the pyramid of the sun is a "man" and the pyramid of the moon a "woman" the tablet tells you it is forbidden to attack inside the woman NOT the entire area, also as soon as you climb out of the moon pyramid you see some regular enemies you are free to whack with a weapon without being smited. In a weird way being punished for swinging your weapon around and the confirmation that the moon pyramid is referenced as "woman" is confirmation you need for the maternity statue puzzle.

@dudesk099 10 месяцев назад

I think one of the main things about the first one is it's not just the beginning that's obtuse, it gets even worse later in the game. "Hints" on tablets that won't be relevant to many hours later. Incomprehensible puzzles in late game. Etc. The game has earned it's reputation fairly.

@KittyNaptune 3 года назад

The line at the super market must have been really long. Glad you're back!

@LunaTulpa 3 года назад

1 is one of my favorites, even beating the hell temple (needed guides and cheesing a couple bosses with the gun with coins from an respawning coin fairy) though a few times), I really, really should play the second and this might convince me

@ElysaraCh Год назад

if you didn't yet, a reminder that you should absolutely play la mulana 2.

@AstralPhnx 3 года назад

And yeah, La Mulana has backwards design sometimes. It's classic MSX bullshittery, but to me that's part of the charm

@FuryousD 2 года назад

so i am guessing that unless u played/owned the original u would just never find the Holy Grail then? i guess that's why they just strait up tell u how to get it in 2 then