Why is risking a full scale regional war better than restraint? | LBC debate 

very interesting

Maybe all oppressed people SHOULD start thinking the same way as the Jews do. Very interesting indeed.

The constant weaponization of the holocaust, antisemitism to neuter criticism of the *government* of Israel can only do harm long term, for short term political gain of a select few. The actions of a government should never be conflated with an ethno-religious group.

True.

Hidden Hebrews 2 children of judah,a must watch for so-called black people

The Jews are the indigenous people.

@@user-th5nb3ox1w You can't claim a land based on your ancestors living there 3000+ years ago that's ludicrous

@@user-th5nb3ox1w NOPE, they are historically and currently a gen oh side al race/clan/religion (1 Samuel 15.3).

@@marcomarin1196 ahhh. So you can decide on a timescale that suits you?

​@user-th5nb3ox1w no, they're not the indigenous people of Palestine. The indigenous inhabitants of Palestine are the Arab Palestinians who are the descendants of the Canaanites who settled in the whole of the levant 5500 years ago during Early Bronze Age 3500BCE. Which is millenia before Jews existed and went there

Jews are indigenous people.

North London is full of these monsters

@user-th5nb3ox1w indigenous to where? Why did they leave? In any event, Palestinians have never left the land, jews only came back after they had a rough go of it in Europe, maybe they should go back there since they have sooooo much support there these days.

@@user-th5nb3ox1w Ashkenazi`s are indigenous to Eastern Europe .

@@K2H117The Jews are clearly gonna be treated like Palestinians one day, demilitarized and forced at gunpoint to leave their homes and relocate to another country.

It's been revoked.

Imagine it happened on purpose so they can play this card in the future lol by Jews not nazi’s then they blamed it on the nazi’s

standard

They are the only race to experience atrocities don't you know...

This can easily be applied to Palestine too.

@@ineedmoreflavour1955palestinians are the victims

​​​@@ineedmoreflavour1955the difference is that Palestine is occupied and doesn't have the military and diplomatic power that Israel does From your comment history, I can tell you don't care though.

Victim hood from 80 yrs ago...... Now, the oppressors.

@@ineedmoreflavour1955 except they are actually victims

YES HE DOES NOT KNOW HIS OWN HISTORY , ISRAEL HAS BEEN GENOCIDAL FOR OVER 75 YRS , AND HE KNOWS NOTHING

Pro Palestine supporters are the problem

We know. James is a bit of a hate stirrer isn't he?

All pro zio are like this and even worse..

@@GretsGarbo JAMIES O'BRIEN IS THE BEST

I really like the way he handles the BSers and puts them in their place. Most callers of this sort start off with smooth talk, but it doesn't take long for them to start stuttering and can't think straight.

You took the words out of my mouth. My estimation of him has gone through the roof unlike his colleagues on this matter.

Same here, I took came to the comments to say the same thing. I just can't believe how many smooth brains are amongst us. C-SPAN would get a lot of fools calling in over here in the US too.

Bullseye 🎯 Well said.

@Yoyo-gf3oi. How did it happen that the sufferings of children has become the central issue every day ? It has never happened in past conflicts. If memory serves, it was the kidnapping and torture of a group of children that was the first salvo in this stomach- churning war. That’s what kicked the whole off. It was as clever as it was barbaric because the strategists knew that Netanyahu could be guaranteed to react with fury . War was a certainty now - and all of the children ( and their loved ones ) are living in pain and fear. Nothing on Earth could justify that first monstrous act. There are more honourable ways to fight. And to engineer a formal conflict - no matter what your cause . We all quote History, but it’s amazing how easily we forget the fateful day before yesterday. I am not Jewish, nor am I an apologist for Israel. I feel bound to defend myself this way, because we in the West are at each other’s throats. And reason seems to have deserted us.

It's disgusting.

Walk amongst us ... Listen to yourself Hatred issues

​​​@@rockynanach He said he lived in London but moved to Israel. So yes he has walked amongst lots of other people. Stop turning this into something it's not.

​@@rockynanachwa wa wa people are being starved for generations and here you are clutching your pearls hahaha

Not only walk among us, they seem to dominate our Government.

100%

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See thats what I do as a litmus test now, swap their words and they suddenly sound like nazis...

And that video would have a 1000 thumbs up from the leftard hamas supporters

​@@Pontyberemboy1there is little time left for you hasbara better start coping

Representative of the general Israeli mindset, perhaps🤔

That’s the $64 question isn’t it. I think finally people are starting to wake up to the fact that Israel is not a rational, utilitarian, liberal democracy, but a demented ultranationalist ethno-cult hooked on war and imperial expansion.

Ok, Iranian authoritarian regime avid defender.

@@aigaoliveira3278 The Hebrew Religion was the FIRST gen ohhh side al "religion" to exist and they continue that today as "everyone, everywhere" is an Amalekite! See 1 Samuel 15.3.

@@aigaoliveira3278. It’s what you get when US and UK destroyed Irans first democratic leader .

Yep who I doubt has any right to even live there as has no connection to the land historically

Likely living in the West Bank in a Palestinian’s home

Occupier from London wow

Steals Palestinians land food money and culture… why because it don’t have it own.

Always are, yet to hear from a single one that was actually born there. I'm sure him and his family will be scurrying back to london when the Iranians retaliate, I mean he would actually have to fight for a land if he has claim to it? Right???

Or even the West Bank

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I wish Israelis being offended was fairly placed; but it’s not. Absolutely absurd mindset this nation has.

@resurrectedone7463 👏

Oh, look, it's RandomWords BunchOfNumbers. That doesn't seem like a Russian or Iranian bot account, at all...

Offended by the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, including months-old babies. Offended doesn't quite cover what happened after your friends in Hamas invaded Israel last October, mate. Expand your vocabulary. Is defending your right to live in peace shameful. You haven't a clue.

These people’s victim complex has gotten very annoying. They need to grow a backbone and accept the consequences of their actions.

This is a brilliant summary.

This is the sentiment of both sides in any conflict

No it is always izzy who claims victim hood. Others give reasons whereas easy is always the scared puppy.​@sheriffjbunnell2392

@@waqmanime that's not even a coherent sentence

He doesn’t want to live through a war; but probably has British nationality and the freedom to travel at any given moment while Palestinians are besieged and killed wholesale. Joke 🤔really

Indoctrination is a two way street.

It’s not stolen though is it. And your knowledge of Iran must be somewhat limited. What kind of a biased opinion would somehow have about the Iranian regime who for the last few years has been killing its own people.

​@@nlomas yes actually it is a stolen land and my family is a living proof of it! Some Israeli today who came somewhere from Europe lives in where my grandparents home used to stand back in 1948. Sorry to burst your bubble but yes it is most definitely a stolen land!

@@nlomasI think you will find that Israel didn’t exist prior to 1947 and Israel stole Palestinian land when all the western world wouldn’t accept the Jews hence came to Palestine begging and pleading! So it is stolen because it was never Israel

@@nlomasExplain how it’s not stolen. How did these European Jews come about this land.

Me too

Attacked repeatedly before as well. Many assassinations done within Iran itself in the past decade.

Israel has not attacked Iran. Crickey everyone with a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Israel must protect her sovereign country. 4:58

You'll be labeled AnTiSeMeTiC for asking questions

@@Princelargo so bombing an overseas consulate is not attacking a country? You have a strange idea of what is attacking. Double standards in play.

yeah, imagine having 5 generals coming to get their visas stamped and getting killed right?

​@@segs3394 I mean you do know that Syria and Iran are allies, right? That the Damascus regime survived the terror expansion because of Iranian intervention?? Their armies are incredibly closely tied, where would high officials be if not in an embassy?

@@segs3394 That's what diplomatic missions do, should Israeli diplomatic missions be bombed because they have military inside, or are you just special and think your crimes get a pass?

@@segs3394 yes imagine. Or do you believe only the chosen people can have generals? Can the rest of the world live freely without Israel lunatic grip? Ever?

@@rightiswrongrightiswrong806 Israel embassy was bombed by Iranians in Buenos Aries. Are the Iranians special and think their crimes get a pass?

from the world???? no frogs

better this 5th column not in the UK corrupting parliament

The land was not stolen. It was simply returned to the original owners before the islamic conquest...

​@@davidgreen6490That's factually incorrect. Learn some actual history.

@@davidgreen6490hahaha😂😅

Stolen from who ? and if you say Palestine let me remind you there has never been such a country as Palestine

The difference is, Israeli's hide themselves in bunkers. Gazans/Hamas hide their weapons in their tunnels and place their people on top to protect the weapons...

They are too entitled and arrogant to think about others.

@@segs3394are you serious? In the west bank alone before October 7th 234 Palestinians were killed by the IDF. All together in “peaceful times” over 100.000 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF. It’s crazy to say it wasn’t even close.

@@segs3394 "Gaza has not been bombed since 2006" Jesus Christ, how evil are you?

​@@TheCatLady65Their true colours are showing

He wouldn't have time to blame me cause he'd be running for his life .

Yes it does and it will LOSE because Israel has the right to defend yourself and she's stronger then Iran.

Iran has been attacking Israel through Hamas and Hezbollah since October 7th. Both groups are proxy groups, controlled and funded from Tehran.

Are you joking?

Does Iran also have a right to sponsor Hamas for the Oct 7th attack and the countless others on Israel these past decades?

Then enjoy the response to Iran’s actions. Just food for thought- what did Iran expect? They put proxies around the state of Israel and think there won’t be issues?

Saoirse don Phalaistin ❤

Iran has the right to defend itself

Just what I thought. A white man who had never seen Israel decides to move to the region, and still believes that he is more entitled to the region than the palestinians that have lived there for generations.

"They say,"We are not accountable for whatsoever we may do to the Gentiles."And thus speak untruth about Allah/Creator while they know it." Holy Quran (3:75)

​janviljoen9554Bruh! This is so easy to explain.. Don't buy from his local Kebab shop, just like others don't buy from KFC, Mac and Starbucks. Problem is solved

Lets not forget. U.k and israel and us overthrew a democratically elected iranian government and placed a dictator in caĺled the shah.

Iran, a tyrannical regime, has never violated the International Law? Pi How pitiful.

@@aigaoliveira3278 What international laws have they broken? Now compare that to israeli violations

​@@aigaoliveira3278 Israel always finds itself being compared to -- unfavourably, I might add -- the worst regimes in the world. And they're dragging our countries in the west down in the moral dirt with it. It's ridiculous.

@@aigaoliveira3278 You can't use the arguement it's ok for us to ignore international law because they did! Sound like a spoilt child.

They literally start frothing at the mouth with impotent rage accusing you of being an antisemite

Of course not. He's probably living in a Palestinians home that was murdered or forced to flee!!

​@stringfellow8877Not one evidence of what you lied about.

​@stringfellow8877another hasbara but your time is coming to its end

@stringfellow8877Agreeing to a ceasefire with Israel means the Palestinians can never go home. The Kingdom of Israel collapsed 2,700 years ago and the region had been under the control of everyone but the Jews ever since. In the late 19th century European Jews started to settle in the region now known as Israel and in the early 20th century the British took control of the region from the Ottoman. The League of Nations gave them a mandate to control the region until such a time they could manage it themselves. Instead of doing that, the British began brining in Jewish settlers who forcibly removed the occupants and destroyed entire communities in order to build their own. When the British got tired of being responsible for the region they handed it over to the Jews who declared themselves a country. The fighting that has been going on for the last century is because Israel is on stolen land and the owners of the land want it back. The Palestinians have never, even before Hamas, been willing to end the war because they want to go home. Israel's ceasefires offers basically amount to this: We will stop bombing hospitals, aide workers, and civilians if you stop fighting back against us taking your lands and killing your people.

All of these people speak like this.

" if you repeat this lie enough eventually people belive us, you have to brainwash them into beliving the plight of the jewish claim to homeland" - Daniella Weisse

Cognitive dissonance is a huge thing in Israel and among many zionists.

@@Geenmoer748 yep head over to the videos on archeology or ancient history in the area, always full of angry zios who cant work out why their narrative isnt factually correct 😁

Do you condemn Hamas?

He wants 2 passports at the expense of Palestinians having none.

...or steal a home before someone else steals it??

I think we need to do away with the word settler. invaders if he is in the west bank. he has no compassion whatsoever

Your not gonna get rid of settlers seriously if agree or not, been going since day one

They didn't do anything.

Unfortunately, for the Israelis their disproportionate need for revenge is becoming obvious by the day.

But they dont have the cojones to admit it.

They wouldn't be if they didn't have western tax dollars protecting them.

I know where the UK is, brother, but I can't find a country called Palestine on any map. Can you help? I'll wait. Shalom.

@@jacobcohen9205Perhaps if you stopped to think , it’s the likes of you who are creating ANTISEMITISM.

@@jacobcohen9205 your map you mean cause on my map I cant find Israel.

Free Palestine

@@davehurst2774 Where is Palestine I can't find it on any map.

Israel has the right to defend yourself.

Apparently not

Definitely not, only Israel has the right to feel treated and defended himself...

Nah he only sees one side. Imagine leaving safe London where he was born to live on the bones of people forcibly displaced and destroyed. That guy is part of the problem that has set a series of knock on effects in motion.

He wonders why James keeps bringing it up. Which tells you all you need to know

Oct 7th?… nothing to do with Iran 🙃

​@jakep5442 isre@l help ham@s more than Iran did...

Who attacked its embassy I Syria King 12 diplomats

​@@jakep5442 nakba 1948? ...nothing to do with israel 🙃

@@jakep5442 October 7th? Why start the clock there? 2 weeks before that Netanyahu was presenting a map at the UN General Assembly with his vision of the "New Middle-East", which had "Greater Israel" including all the Palestinian Territories! He LITERALLY wiped them off the map, and declared his intention to do so! Where was the outrage? Should the Gazans, that have lived under occupation for decades and at least the last 17 years under blockade, just sit by and let that happen?

It's unbelievably disgusting how you shift the blame from yourself to others. I think you have to learn to get on with the Palistinians. It's not our fault especially one hundred years after the case.

No there’s not.

Newsflash: there isn’t.

Not a drip

I met some on a holiday about 10 years ago, they were all talking about moving to Canada, UK etc. because they couldn't stand Netanyahu. And the men 40 and under could still be called up to fight as army reservists, which these guys wanted no part of.

I don't know if its its because they know they can find refuge in the countries they actually come from that theyre eager to start a war thar would bring chaos in Israel or they have a death wish. I just dont uderstand why would anyone who lives surrounded by all these hostile countries want to go to war with them?

Yet no sympathy for Palestinian people not having the luxury of a bunker which didn't suffer a scratch because of having the most advanced anti-air defense in the world and getting killed in their homes, streets and hospitals. The masses that have died don't matter to you but the people living in complete protection have your sympathy. A very warped way of thinking.

@@cookedit Sorry, my friend. No words can express my sympathy enough for the poor men, women and children in Gaza and the west bank. My heart bleeds for them.

Well there's always the option of "just get off other people's land" for Avi.

Don't make the mistake of painting everyone with the same brush. Not all Israelis agree with Netanyahu.

No and that is antisemitism saying that the entire population thinks like that.

This is the truth, most of them do, a few do not and are exposed to harassment

@@laurateaho-white9654no. Not all. But a sizeable chunk think like this.. numerous Israeli surveys show the population doesn’t think the army has been aggressive enough in Gaza..

You can say that again.

I don't think they can play it anymore. It's done. Not after this whole debacle.

Same as Muslim, and blacks..

​@vincentblack7467 those people retaliate..u just don't like when they do...

Not really mate!!!

​@@vincentblack7467Muslims and black people aren't trying to starve a civilian population to the point of murdering aid workers with drone strikes. The I"D"F are

@@vincentblack7467well said 👍

Then who's land is it , and don't say Palestinians because there has never been such a country as Palestine

​@@andybenstead7240but there will be soon......the world is now watching the atrocities unfold and demand Palestine be set free! We cant unsee the horrors!!!! Justice will prevail

​@@andybenstead7240probably not a born and bred brits

@@andybenstead7240 You know what you 've written is a pure BS!!!!!

@@andybenstead7240 Apparently the land belongs to the Israeli settlers who kick the people off the land they've owned for generations. Or maybe it belongs to the people who moved in after the people there were cut off from water. You think?

Maybe I can be called a native of someone elses country by stealing there stuff

It wasnt even their Land when Moses pointed at it.

But there is archaeological evidence of Jewish presence dating back thousands of years in Israel/Palestine! That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that white Londoners are native to that land and the direct descendants of people who lived there thousands of years ago! Right?! 🤔

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​@@IcarianXimage people who live in a particular part of the world realized their ancestors had lived there...and decided to evict 😂and grab lands from people they find there😅😢😮... The reality is that 300years ago, a completely different tribes had inhabited most of the lands we call ours today....the Jewish case looks ridiculous by the day

And he wants "the world" to guarantee their security as if we owe then something. We owe them NOTHING!

That's breaks my heart 😢😢

Who do you think this is about? John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

As a British Jew myself I hate it when these people speak for me. Then again maybe if I moved to Israel I'd also get brainwashed by the same rhetoric

undoubtably. I vote we all get a isreal passport and claim it back :DD

Israel targeted Iranian officials. Iran targeted Israels mass population centers but the Iron Dome said "YOU SHALL NOT PASS".

​@Jeffoneil.BanburyHairSalon. no they didn't.

@@Britain_Stands_With_Ukraine Israel killed civilians when they bombed Iranian consulate. In response Iran struck MILITARY targets and there were NO fatalities. Maybe you should try and get your facts/lies straight!

@@Eimaj2012 "Maybe you should try and get your facts/lies straight!" They can't and won't. It goes against their interests.

​@Jeffoneil.BanburyHairSalon. Iran warned Israel and its Western allies of their retaliation well ahead of the launches, 72 hours. As a result 1 child is injured, and it will be a tragedy if this child is gravely injured as it defeated the objective of this operation avoiding civilians. The drones used were deliberate sitting ducks for US, UK, Jordanian fighter jets to shoot down as well as the Israeli Air defences. Those drones are slow, noisy and cheap, apparently built using motorcycle engines. The cruise missiles were intercepted by the Iron dome and other air defences such as David's sling I think. One account states that one of Irans objectives was to deplete Israeli arsenal as they are far more expensive than the Iranian drones and missiles that were launched. The other objective for Iran must've been the valuable data gathering on Israeli air defences. Some of the ballistic missiles hit Ramon air base, which interestingly was the base in which the fighter jets that hit the consulate building were based.

Don't poke the lion of Judea. Israel has the right to defend yourself and she's stronger then Iran.

​@@Britain_Stands_With_Ukraineis it a kind of sarcasm?

What a moral army Iran has to give 72 hours notice to their enemy 😮 Its unprecedented 🙌🏽 Lol jks. 🙏🏽💜🕊️🇵🇸

@@Britain_Stands_With_Ukraine you’re deluded 🤣that’s why the US, UK along with France helped you counteract Iranian drones, missiles and UAV. Do you listen to the news

@@Britain_Stands_With_Ukraine That lion can't hunt, and relies on his allies for his survival. Israhell can't even eradicate a small group of resistance fighters among 2.3 million people in a 365 square kilometer occupied zone next to them, but you want them to attack a country of 1,648,195 square kilometers that has a professional, well equipped army, plenty of ammunition, 88.55 million people that is well over a thousand kilometers away, and you want them to do so despite the allies whom they depend upon for survival telling them that they will not support that? That's INSANE!!!!!

Exactly!

Audrey, all your comments are spot on. You're a great human being ❤

And what country is that then ? , don't say Palestine as there has never been a country called Palestine

@@andybenstead7240 there was a country called Israel????

💰💰💰💰💰 politicians cares only about their own familie and NOT the public interest

It’s not exactly worse (it’s just as bad when the US behaves this way), but incredibly pathetic that the source of Israeli confidence is the US military and funding. They know that if Iran falls to their provocations and the war starts, it won’t be an Israeli-Iran war. It will be a war between Iran and the US. If the US abandoned Israel today, they would have no ability to fight any of the wars they’ve been starting.

Absolutely

They want everything…they never had peace nor will never ever get peace in the future because Palestine’s rightful owners want their land returned.

You could say the same about all of your comments Thomas….

Well said

Well, if that happens then America will fall. Look at Black Rock. Haha America without Israel will become back red Indian territory.

Sadly the whole right wing and half the left wing is desperate to do Israel’s bidding. Maybe some local politicians can get elected on an anti-Zionist stance, but America as a whole is stuck as a Zionist nation. Even the population majority is Zionist, and although that is rapidly changing, the change is happening among younger voters who historically have a disproportionately low influence in national elections. It will be decades before America is free.

100% true, Madman Netanyahu has been propping and funding Hamas since early 2006. A factual point that Zios so conveniently ignore!

you are correct, so Israel was funding a terrorist organisation, it is time that the USA deals with states which sponsor terrorists.

By your logic, it's okay for Hamas to attack US sites because the US funds Israel.

So Hamas spent Israeli money on rockets...they should get a Dianne Abbot.

True.