Why is the Piper M600 so Popular?

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@marcedwards8581 Год назад

I owned one. The 600 is highly compromised for various reasons. The cabin is small, and getting into the pilots seat is crazy difficult. I had to go in backwards and twist around and I’m only 175 pounds and 5’ 10”. The Garmin 3000 would not upload the database updates every month and I had to spend hours and hours on the phone with Garmin and Jefferson to force through the updates. Range is very compromised once you have more than 2 on board including the pilot with baggage. And the nose wheel issues made me paranoid. If you don’t already know, the nose wheel has an usually high failure rate should the pilot have a heavy landing or makes an excursion. This is a huge issue when the engine is running! Moral of the story… never change a design originally for a piston and produce a turbine version. I sold it after 6 months.

@jimmytwotimes1008 Год назад

now here’s an honest opinion of someone who owned one. not dreamed about it in fantasy style.

@aukanmeister Год назад

Appreciate the input! What do you fly now?

@airofd Год назад

I love u sir

@adit1001able Год назад

Which plan would you rather recommend around the same price ?

@AlMansurpictures Год назад

Just curious, what's the longest trip that you can still manage without the needs of lavatory?

@rayschoch5882 Год назад

Looks and performs great. "Popular" is a relative term. At about $2M, there aren't that many around. It's out of reach of the vast majority - even the vast majority of pilots/owners.

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

It’s $3M, not $2M. That’s still $1M+ less than most SETP’s like E1000GX, TBM, PC12NGX or Denali. At 35 units in annual sales, its substantially less popular than all of those SETP’s. Honestly, the difference in operating and finance costs between the M600 and a TBM930 is negligible on annualised basis. If $1M difference is the deciding factor, you’re probably already out of your budget and better suited to a used C340, C421 or TBM700/850. Since introduction of Vision Jet, I’m honestly surprised Piper can still sell any M600’s. By turbofan standards the Vision Jet is slow, short range and limited full fuel payload. It however outperforms the M600 in every aspect for less $$. If my aircraft budget were limited to $3M, the M600 would not be a consideration due to its slow speed and very limited full fuel payload. I’d buy a low hours late model TBM850 everyday of week and twice on Sunday

@sx5r Год назад

@@MichaelM-to4sg "Since introduction of Vision Jet, I’m honestly surprised Piper can still sell any M600’s." Thats what I was thinking. The Cirrus Vision, Starts 714 and the Flors LAR 01 are on another level and imho in time will take over. I think Piper is still saved by the fact that the development of the new aircrafts takes so much time (the LAR01 - my personal favourite - is still pre-production) and that production capacity of the jets is very limited

@jamesbenoit5252 Год назад

Gorgeous. Oozes high performance and style. Love it.

@JohnH0130 Год назад

7:16 'OVER 7 color patterns to choose from!' I guess that sounds more grandiose than just saying, '8 color patterns'.

@Dave-lr2wo Год назад

How about "between 2 and 4 million color patterns to choose from!" ...because 8 is between 2 and 4 million....

@denisranque1536 2 года назад

4:35 "in fact, there's even room for some luggage" lol that's a bonus for a multi- million dollar machine 😂

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

Depends how many passengers and mission profile. That MTOW becomes a real limiting factor very quickly for many mission profiles.

@larsroug Год назад

still a beauty. as a kid in the 80ties I flew in a piper malibu.

@556suppressor Год назад

I would buy the Pilatus PC-12 for that much money. Love the Pilatus.

@javiertorres-bb8lf Год назад

I love this thing. Fast, sporty, great reviews.

@jumboneil 2 года назад

The accident/incident rate for the M600 on landing rollout is way out of line…..the much vaunted HALO system can apply brakes asymmetrically during landing, causing the airplane to veer off the runway…..I wonder if this has been fixed?

@PilotDave85 8 месяцев назад

Lance is a wonderful man. The Aircraft are brilliant. Piper is awesome.

@CascadiaAviation Год назад

Absolutely love the looks of this plane

@keithjackson4985 Год назад

Yes. Great looking bird.

@Clovescp Год назад

Nem tudo e aparecia e sim que funcione sem dar Pane e isso que Esperamos de um Avião que custa quase 3 Milhões 💸💰💸

@warrenmaloney2497 Год назад

I'll be placing my order soon. Soon as someone gives me the money. Costs 0 dollars to dream.

@janetizzy6741 Год назад

A beautiful plane, inside and out

@mikekelly4222 Год назад

World class in terms of safety, reliability and quality. Brilliant machine.

@wymple09 Год назад

Apparently not

@ardelius0198 Год назад

Marc Edwards would disagree with you

@davidwolf226 2 года назад

This is such an awesome aircraft! I've liked it right from the jump. The newer Garmin system is also outstanding. 👍

@pilotjenya 2 года назад

I fly it

@leeway777 2 года назад

@@pilotjenya Lucky dog.

@Jorge-jk5xr Год назад

Great plane. I have 9 in my garage. Can recommend.

@mulelpi2151 Год назад

4:33 "Plenty of room for the pilots (plural) and the six passengers on board" Yet, there are only six seats total, two in the cockpit and 4 in the cabin. Best you are going to do is one pilot and 5 passengers and one of the passengers will need to be in the cockpit.

@psychiatry-is-eugenics Год назад

Seems like there are two groups commenting . One group loves its looks . The other group gives specific information about issues .

@superminecraft01PvP Год назад

I’m flattered the RU-vid algorithm recommended this to me

@paulbissonnette3650 Год назад

I am 6' 7" and I weigh 379 lbs and I had no issues , at all , getting into cockpit . Fuel range is accurate for the most part . You have got to stay on top of monitoring tire pressure . Very important for obvious reasons . Nitro is best bet

@322kfunk 8 месяцев назад

I am 6'10 and 479lbs and i agree !!! 😁

@timguthrie5583 7 месяцев назад

Me too! I am 9' 14" tall and weight 1,100 lbs and had no issues!

@analogalchemy Год назад

It's all about the p51 shape. The prop to the cockpit glass is pure style, that's it, that's the reason.

@degraham9198 2 года назад

I'd pick this over a light jet any day. One awesome machine...

@thead66 Год назад

ALMOST a haiku

@degraham9198 Год назад

@@thead66 I write poetry and haiku.

@drampadreg1386 Год назад

There are many turbo prop planes now that are faster and cheaper to fly than private jets. Partly thinks to the PT6 patent running out about 21 years ago. Suddenly there were really fast 4-5 seat carbon fiber rockets flying around. About the same time Fed Ex bought 200 Cessna Caravans saving the company's but.

@scottcomaduran6549 Год назад

What a awesome plane!

@dallastexas4844 2 года назад

Traveling that far a distance, what about needing a pit stop for the bathroom. No one ever talks about that feature. I guess a porta potty to go? Just a thought. Nice looking plane. Thanks for sharing.

@mulelpi2151 Год назад

That's why I don't put much stock in the so-called maximum range that the manufacturer quotes. Depending on the strength of one's bladder, I compute the range as 3-4 hours times the planes cruise speed. I think that is a much more realistic range.

@jamesbenoit5252 Год назад

Lol. True! I'm 62, I good for about an hour. When I travel alone, I do frequent "in drive" pee stops per a urinal. Otherwise it'd take me 9 hours to get to Austin from West Texas. I fill up in Van Horn, next stop Junction 350+ miles - non-stop.

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

Sorry but you sound like a troll. Are you a pilot or do you often fly private? These aircraft have pee tubes though most of us who fly carry a pee bottle. The only reason for a potty is to defecate which if you know your body, don’t suffer from a bowel disorder and plan your meals, is not an issue. There are certainly aircraft with potty’s but they are usually much larger with considerably longer range. Closest in size would be the TBM which has optional potty but it’s range is nearly double the M600 unless you’re flying solo or very limited payload to allow a full fuel load.

@hawkdsl Год назад

Maximum range is important in case you run into weather thats just being a bitch, and you end up having to find an alternate for the alternate. Just about everyone can deal with 3 hour flights, then a break (when you have pax). Solo of course, you can stretch that out. Never underestimate the value of a couple of empty Snapple bottles. ;)

@johnstudd4245 Год назад

You are not going to get much of a "porta potty" in a small plane like this, much less room to move around to use it. As other have said, some kind of little bottle. And the only place to take a dump is in your pants.

@christopherfoote3395 2 года назад

The TBM 940 also has the Garmin Autoland capabilities.

@edwardvalivonis23 2 года назад

My toilet seat lands almost same way

@CreepinCreeper145 2 года назад

And the Pilatus PC-12 NGX

@christopherfoote3395 2 года назад

@@CreepinCreeper145 Not true.

@leeway777 2 года назад

@@CreepinCreeper145 The merit of the PC 12 NGX is capable of landing on grass strips, not auto-landing.

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

@@CreepinCreeper145 The Pilatus is Honeywell glass, much like many turbofans.

@Spec62 2 года назад

I love Piper.

@Max2coolmayur Год назад

99% of the viewers including me can’t even afford this. Still watching every detail 😂

@sethiladisaskumara1842 2 года назад

Wow review 😊

@Smokeyr67 Год назад

It’s a fantastic aircraft, it doesn’t suit my needs (PC-12 works for me) but if I didn’t need rough field capability and enough load for 6 months worth of baked beans, I’d love one of these.

@gmanchurch Год назад

Really great looking airplane and it’s a Piper too!

@detroitoneness6237 Год назад

Watching this on 4th of July. I spent more that a couple years with a M-16 on my back! So glad this “winner” had picked that plane! Americans and America! This makes a winning team! 🇺🇸

@colinashby3775 Год назад

Great video. Butt don't need the music. sound overload .

@mixit247 Год назад

The M in M Class Stands for Millionaire.

@The-Dom Год назад

Cool, i'll take one.

@georgewest4643 Год назад

Beefed up spitfire 😳

@STARMedic28 Год назад

Would be awesome to see one set up for critical care and air medical transport

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

Lacks payload & speed for such duty. The cargo door width would also constrain access. The Otter or Caravan surpass its payload & capability for back country usage while TBM, E1000, PC12NGX and Denali surpass in payload, range & speed. That mission profile would require at minimum the capacity for pilot, 2 EMT’s, patient and medical gear. The M600’s very low MTOW results in very limited fuel range to fit that required payload. The slow cruise of M600, while disappointing by SETP standards, would be acceptable given its relatively low price, it’s very limited MTOW is what kills the sales of this aircraft and severely limits its mission profile.

@barrybarnes96 Год назад

After your first few flights all flying is like watching paint dry with the chance of auguring in.

@jaxonkurtis Год назад

I swear this dude's just reading the owner manual

@gtr1952 Год назад

Good review! Speed and power has a trade off, more $$ and harder to fly. The latest TBM is almost $5m, and ~1200 SHP w/360kts TAS. Is it worth twice as much for a modified Mooney? (Yes, modified Mooney, look it up) 8) --gary

@dirtcop11 2 года назад

I wonder if you could call this a "personal airliner"? It's fast and luxurious...and expensive.

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

Cirrus Vision better fits than description. The M600 is not fast, it’s cabin and cockpit is very tight and by most 6-passenger cabin class aircraft, it’s not very luxurious

@chrishyde1216 Год назад

Where's the toilet?

@Weaselpro Год назад

Impressive and inspiring presentation. Only one question remains: during 5 hours flight passengers and pilots will piss their pants? Or in the bottle?

@Brakballe Год назад

A mini PC-12 :P

@MerlinspopTBH 2 года назад

So clearly whoever wrote the script had no idea what any of this meant.

@harryagrotis326 2 года назад

Don't know if it's very popular but I know it's very desirable and very capable

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

By what definition? Despite the updated wing design, it remains lowest full fuel payload in class. Poorest range and slowest in class. It’s only benefit is it’s lowest price in class. For those of us in market, the appeal of $3M for a new SETP loses its appeal when one considers its performance. The simple fact is TBM and E1000GX are considerably faster and more capable for just 25% more cost and TBM holds its value far better. Even the Cirrus jet is far more appealing and far less $$. It only lacks cabin class seating but the M600 is so tight and it’s full fuel payload so little, it’s hard to consider that a differentiating factor.

@MrJackWorse Год назад

Did I just watch a 10 minute advertisement? lol

@wolfgangloll2747 Год назад

things that a member of the middle class may not experience.

@garyhinchman8029 2 года назад

.........thank God, the Garmin system is just time to land the airplane when the jabbadewed pilot dies while in flight!!!!!!!!OUTSTANDING!!!!!! Most of my flight time is in Piper aircraft, Archers and Arrows, and I wouldn't mind having one of these babies!!!!!!!gh

@edwardvalivonis23 2 года назад

Lucky you

@tyrekclark6361 Год назад

I SMASH THE LIKE BUTTON!!! LOL

@scottcomaduran6549 Год назад

Does it come with a parachute! Seriously some planes have one on the plane!

@edwardvalivonis23 2 года назад

Are they are better than Mooney?

@marcducati Год назад

I'll go with the Pilatus PC 12.

@David-uy6ch Год назад

Awesome

@saddysly8281 Год назад

Whats the cost of private jet flight in the states? Even with out maintenance cost etc. You could get a lot of private flights over buying one of these.

@tayloralldredge6537 Год назад

Anywhere between $15,000-20,000+ and Up from there. Before Inflation and High Fuel Cost, a Couple of Years Ago you could Charter a Private Plane Starting at $10,000.

@user-so8zq4wv8v Год назад

Is this the plane on The show The Terminal List??

@dustin9035 Год назад

I'll take 2!

@JoonhoBeh Год назад

Which one is more noisy, propeller or jet?

@ucekefe Год назад

I've decided this is the plane I want.. now I have to go ask my manager at burger King for a raise and see if I can trade in my 98 Honda Civic as a down payment lol

@-_-Emperor-_- Год назад

Ive used this numerous times with my crew to bust out a criminal while dodging Missiles from a F-16 as my buddy in the AH-6 gives me covering firing.

@eduardorivera7723 Год назад

looks like a modern p51 mustang

@thyslop1737 Год назад

$2.8 million? Heck, I got that in my coin purse. Now where did I put that purse?

@markschembri3142 Год назад

Good review. If I hadn't a phobia of flying I would certainly have bought one. Damn.

@wr3ncher Год назад

Like a Saratoga turbo prop

@scottrichmond3400 2 года назад

AWESOME Aircraft! But I HAVE a 2 PART QUESTION.... It's $130 an hour for midlife engine inspection at 1800Hours which EQUALS $234,000. Then after another 1800Hours, the engine is due for a complete overhaul at $200,000. **That DOESN'T INCLUDE an additional 234k as in the 1st midlife inspection correct?? For example, $200k Overhaul PLUS the 1800Hour midlife inspection at 234k? I would assume NOT obviously Because you're doing a complete engine overhaul & it's no longer Midlife engine hours but Full-life engine hours at 3600Hours, so why would it?? Or is there an additional inspection fee ontop of the 200k Overhaul but substantially lesser than a midlife inspection fee..?? NOW The 2nd PART to that QUESTION is.... ** If a complete engine overhaul at 3600Hours is 200K BUT a MIDLIFE 1800mile inspection is 234K ($130/hour +1800hrs) then WHY NOT just do a complete overhaul at the middle 1800Hour mark (even though there's still half engine life AFTER a inspection) * Then come the 1st 1800Hour MIDLIFE INSPECTION, Why not just do a complete OVERHAUL after 1800Hours for $34,000 less at 200K Compared to a midlife inspection at $234,000??? Why is the Midlife Inspection $34K MORE than a entire engine Overhaul??? Someone with three knowledge, please throughly answer that 2part question of mine. I'm deeply curious. Thanks

@babernethy13574 2 года назад

Those are serious questions for a RU-vidr whose facts in the video are all screwed up. First off, good luck finding a brand new M600 SLS for less than $3M, and nobody quotes speed in kilometers, it's either knots or miles per hour. There are a bunch of sites to get estimated hourly costs, but even those will change dramatically depending on fuel cost and number of hours flown. There are fixed costs that have to be taken into account, like hangar, insurance, pilot training, etc, and there are also variable costs like fuel, airport usage fees, hourly engine maintenance programs, among others. Check sites like Aircraft Cost Calculator or Conklin & Decker. You'll find basic info there, but subscriptions are required to get more detailed estimates. In general, if you were to fly the M600 for like 450 hours, expect to budget an hourly cost of around $750 per hour. This covers both fixed and variable costs.

@urbancommute5239 2 года назад

I have a better question, who can afford this ??? 🤔

@placidbeach 2 года назад

@@babernethy13574 thank you! I was so frustrated listening to that narration in the video, like the way he averaged the pounds per hour as if every flight is two hours. Good grief 130 an hour?? In my Saratoga with typical usage I calculated my overall costs in the upper 200s per hour!

@mebeingU2 2 года назад

IDK…I take a bus.

@placidbeach 2 года назад

@@zlmdragon. i said over all not overhaul

@forward_ever_ever2595 Год назад

Its ok, i'll book a regular flight om a large aircraft

@gtestastretta1 Год назад

Because it looks like a spitfire passenger plane 😀

@mikerice5298 Год назад

UFOs 20,000 Mph in seconds

@caminocars4532 Год назад

Hi, always need a toilett ??

@StopSayingGaslit Год назад

I was really interested but I stopped the video once you told me to smash the like button. ✌️ I’ll get my information elsewhere

@waynesilva3129 2 года назад

I never could understand why speeds are advertised in MPH. Unless this is for marketing. Even small jets advertise in MPH.

@guidancefromjah 2 года назад

Murica. Entire world uses the metric system, not sure what's going on there lol

@edwardvalivonis23 2 года назад

It's always was miles per hour

@scottrichmond3400 2 года назад

Why not? Miles, per, hour,.... Don't you want to know how many miles you'll travel in an hour? You can calculate/ convert, everything else you wanna know from that..

@waynesilva3129 2 года назад

@@scottrichmond3400 My question is. Why does marketing not only with planes but with yachts. Sales will use SM rather than NM. Maybe 28 SM per hour sounds better than NM. when showing a boat the buyer sees a higher number. Small jets are always advertising with SM. Seems a little dishonest and sneaky.

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

That’s not true. Maybe for this clowns video but we always use KTAS for specs. For the uninitiated that is acronym for Knots (nautical miles per hour) True AirSpeed.

@JohnH0130 Год назад

5:03 Wonder why this shot is reversed left/right? 7:24 Another one.

@systematic101 Год назад

unless it has a stack of about $2.8 million inside it's still a very expensive item since many people won't make that much in an entire lifetime of work even with a good paying job.

@oSJmee Год назад

Does this plane need fuel with lead?

@f0t0b0y Год назад

Wouldn’t you just calculate $185 an hour operating cost? That way you calculate the 3600 flight hour checkup.

@markalvarez6939 Год назад

single engines kinda scare me...nice aircraft though

@obieakpachiogu Год назад

No restroom?

@PeterRichardsandYoureNot Год назад

Because it run drugs good.

@Timelt51 Год назад

It's popularity can't be because the wings snap off in turbulent weather. Could it?

@arcanondrum6543 2 года назад

??! 5:23 Wow! WOW!! Does it have *Cupholders? **7:25** WOW!* Still though, that price 1:00 is pretty steep, maybe if it had Red and Green Position Lights 6:45 OK, OK, NOW I will sign the check, how much again? 1:00 The trouble with Autopilot, Auto-Oopsie 5:43 and Auto-Land 8:06 is that it rewards carelessness of Skills while the speed 4:13 encourages arrogance. Fortunately, this is a long runway Aircraft 8:37 where it has to share space with pilots having thousands of hours in the Left Seat. It also keeps it away from the Puddle Jumpers that value flying skills over buttons.

@stealhty1 2 года назад

Those are $3M well spend,,imagine flying to a foreing country and have the piece of mind that your personal flight is always there waiting for you

@truckerinsight1179 Год назад

You know one of those regular days when you jump into your private plane and go the hospital, just like any other regular American. Don’t drive your car or ride the bus, just go back to your private runaway behind your house and voilà, up you go to the skies…🙄

@alexdarcydestsimon3767 Год назад

I'm glad to say you are wrong. The TBM has something at least as advanced as what the Piper has on offer.

@Jon....... Год назад

03:22 | "...270 pound per hour of 45 US Gallons..." And I suppose the air pressure of the main wheels is 45 psi of 10 fleas per camel. 03:56 | "...you get 500 miles of extra flight time..." and I suppose if you put more fuel in the plane it will go faster. THUMBS DOWN for bad script. Did anyone with an aviation background proof read it?

@leeway777 2 года назад

Yes, but the M500 can land and take off on grass strips. I like the Meridian better.

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

You’re probably alone in that assessment. The M500 was of course a renamed Meridian, essentially the PA46 airframe w/PT6A replacing the problematic Lycoming motor. While the similarly problematic pressurisation system was updated, as were avionics, the Meridian/M500 still had a 35 year old airframe with inefficient wing design that offered very limited MTOW by modern SETP standards. The M600 wing update not only offered increased cruise speed, it dramatically increased MTOW, still well behind the TBM and now E1000GX and Vision Jet but a vast improvement over M500. It’s hard to imagine a mission profile where the M500 equals or surpasses the M600, maybe short range bush pilot duty but there are of course Otters and Caravans far more capable for such duty. I’m not a fan of anything Piper except the old Aerostar and Cheyenne 400LS but choosing between Meridian/M500 and M600, I choose the latter everyday of week and twice on Sunday

@leeway777 Год назад

@@MichaelM-to4sg Not if you have a 3000 feet grass strip in your backyard. You cannot land M600 on it, which is perfect for M500. Got it?

@Blakearmin Год назад

Is this a video or a thinly veiled commercial?

@LY3355 Год назад

“pc12 alternative”…someone said as the reason for it being “popular” 🤔

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

So popular, by what definition? They sell around 35 units annually. That’s less than 40% of PC12NGX sales globally. Similarly that’s 40% of Cirrus Jet sales. It’s actually less than TBM sales despite Daher production line being shuttered for several months due to supply issues. Once Epic gets near full capacity, they too will surpass M600 sales and when Textron’s Denali is certified, it too will surpass the M600. The more relevant question is why has Piper not re-engineered this aircraft? The M600 updated wing design over M500 was not enough to make this aircraft competitive. It’s full fuel payload is lowest in class. It’s cruise speed also worst in class, same with range. Compared to our C340 w/Ram VII, why would I spend $3M for less full fuel payload and gain less than 40 ktas in cruise speed at 30% more fuel usage? We’ve ordered the E1000GX, yes it’s a higher priced but it’s 50% better range, 50% higher full fuel payload and 75 ktas higher cruise. I’m honestly surprised they’re able to sell 35 units annually. I rarely see them in air or ground around here.

@twiff3rino28 Год назад

Isn't this type from 1979 with a few minor tweaks? Sounds like the marketing spin Airbus has been doing to their outdated 1988 A320-200.

@upsidedowndog1256 2 года назад

I just intalled a rebuilt engine on a Matrix. The owner is not happy with the perfomance

@freepilot7732 2 года назад

compared to the TBM 940 (960)?

@MichaelM-to4sg Год назад

30% higher price but infinitely more capable.

@freepilot7732 Год назад

@@MichaelM-to4sg other than the price....

@CsabaCs99 Год назад

Garmin es el mejor en este jet!

@mafosa8519 Год назад

What, no rest rooms?!.. Jip

@bryanreyes2620 Год назад

I dont know? Wann tell me why?

@muratoztrgt7625 Год назад

Thank 👍 But too expensive. If I ever buy a plane, I'll buy cirrus sr22. If I don't have that much money, I'll buy a piper j-3 pub. or cessna 172.

@EvilBaggOBolts Год назад

no parachute though

@r0dnee Год назад

Because it costs half as much as a TBM

@marchellocapellitini3902 2 года назад

U need to be an AMP with your own shop to afford the maintnance cost!

@PawRescueHomeLoans Год назад

I think you mean A&P.

@surge8619 Год назад

For almost 3 million might as well l get a vision jet 😩

@tj323i Год назад

Wow, how bad of a driver is his Dad that his son buys a plane so he can get to the hospital faster when he has car accidents?

@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891 2 года назад

Awesome aircraft. But with all this hype to the plane there is one bad thing. The entry for the pilot to the cockpit seat is made for circus athletes. And it’s not a joker for the pilot to get out easily from the pilot seat through the cabin. Even in case of an emergency landing. So here is the only disadvantage of the Piper M600. But a big one. In my opinion.