Those high capacity scool buses are much more common in rural areas than in towns or cities. It reduces the amount of busses a distric needs to pick up all the students. Most of the buses my school had were 72+ capacity, they had about 10 buses for a very large area.
Fun fact: for the C2s that have a extended window in the back & it totals to 10 windows, the extended window shows 2 extra rows in the bus. (Some CEs have a extended window but the rows are perfectly organised)
Funfact: The largest mass-produced school buses were DT-16 and could carry 97 passengers on board. They were made to accommodate an increase of students during the baby boom. Even stranger, the engine was built into the backs of these buses.
I remember in middle school, we only had 2 buses to service the school. A 90 pass. 15 window Bluebird All American and a 7 pass GMC Microbird for handicap. That 15 window bus was damn near 45ft long.
Yeah, the more you haul, the bigger the engine that is needed, and that means you can have the wheel further forward, that bus must haul people from a very long stretch, because a district would use 2 busses or more if there were a ton of intersections involved, that bus is a nightmare in intersections.
Most of the buses around where I'm from are fairly large like this one. I didn't know that longer buses like these were unusual to some people. I was surprised to see buses SHORTER than the ones shown in the video. I started working on buses after I graduated, and we have only a handful of units in our fleet that are smaller than the ones shown.
Because he lives in a big city, You would not want a bus this big and a big city. You would usually run two smaller ones. I don't know why this is hard to understand for some people, consider this long beast in city traffic making turns. It's a nightmare. Too big.
The biggest C2 I've seen has 11 windows. 72 passanger. Our standard for our county is 8 windows. Activity buses 11. Biggest School Buses in my county have 10.
Meanwhile in the UK almost all of our modern busses are the Alexander Dennis Enviro 400, which is largly adopted by Arriva, First Airlink, Heathrow Express and Stephensons. I have actually seen american people question its stability, given its 4.2m height. This is how they do it: steel and aluminium lower structure, and fibreglass and plastic upper structure. It lowers its center of mass significantly. And its obvious that Mr A. Dennis was confident of his creation that he kept the "Kneel" feature.
At first I just thought people literally didn't pay enough attention to notice that the wheels weren't in the back, now I'm understanding that this type of bus isn't very common in some places. Still though, I've hardly ever seen many shorter than these besides the e350 bus conversions they had for special needs children when I was doing school
Going over a bump in the back seat must be fun Also, you forgot to mention, the wheels are not in the back for a number of reasons. 1. Shorter driveshaft 2. Stability, if they were in the back, that's a lot of weight in the centre. 3. Turning radius, a shorter wheelbase = sharper turning radius.
@@potato1907 I would agree except everyone on these busses knows the jumps, the route my bus took I learned the big hits. It was fun, sometimes painful.
That EF has 14 rows of windows but really only 13 rows of seats. The front end is designed so awkwardly, and since the stairwell comes up on angle, there’s no row of seats beside the first window.
Sheppard used to have 13 window CE200(W30-W34)now it’s down to 12 windows on their DOT Omnibus for charter runs. The regular 11 windows are on the regular school runs however they do run the DOT Omnibuses on school runs. My assigned bus was 139 and 140 DOT Omnibuses. His blue bird dot Omnibuses are 12 windows and all of his C2s are 12 windows with some being DOT omnibuses.
Same with me. Most busses here have the larger windows in the front and back rows. And full sized seats on each side. But still hasn't been enough lately because it's been filled to the top with no room for the last few people. We got the shorty busses and the slightly less short ones too. And them fancy brand new ones from other districts run through sometimes
I used to ride the bus when I was in Middle school, even on a bus that was this long they would still try to always fit 3 to a seat no mater the size of the children, I always lived in a area where alot of people are bigger, but being the skinny kid I was I would almost always find myself half off of the seat and having to balance myself hoping no major bumps happened as I would have flew out of the seat.
Seems weird. Obviously passenger limit is designed for 3 to a seat but seems like a nightmare for driver. Maybe some districts try to cram kids in and reduce bus count. Our district does a good job at making it easier on drivers and reducing distractions on the bus.
If I were building buses I'd build 'em like fire trucks, instead of one wheel base for 55-80 passenger buses there'd be differing wheelbases to keep the tail swing consistent between different sizes of buses, most North American fire trucks, unless they're rear engine, have a similar amount of tail swing no matter the length because of extended wheelbases. Another feature found on fire trucks that should be on school buses is extended front bumpers, if the front bumper is extended a mere 1-2 feet depending on the hood design then there's no front blind spot and no need for those bars that never seem to work right as the bumper ends where the drivers' visibility ends, there's also more meat in front of the bus to absorb impacts before the passenger compartment is compromised
Unfortunately, on most fire trucks, you can't see the bumpers. Sometimes they have those bumper guide poles, but ours don't. We just have to remember there's an extra 2 feet down there.
@@ml9867 On the chassis we run the hood line is low enough and the bumper is long enough you can see the bumper from the drivers seat, I'm not sure how long it is but it's long enough for an inboard winch and front jump line
My barn recently got 2024 Bluebird Busses, I thought the buss felt longer than the average bus when I got on it for my first time, the driver seemed farther than normal. But maybe thats tunnel vision because most of the time I sit in seat 1, because I like talking with the drivers.
Where I grew up and went to school in the 2000s all our busses were long rear engine Thomas busses. And it's a big city so some places are just different i guess
Only thing your going to be seeing in high density population areas up here in the Northern Midwest is those 80 passengers but they count a single seat and the driver seat so it has about 82 passengers.
my school district and city has both the long and small buses. rare occurrence when we actually use the long buses for school pick up[ and drop off. we usually use the long ones for field trips so it can hold more students.
Heavy engine made of cast iron and transmission sit in the front of the school bus. Jus like most cars engine and transmission sit on front making the front more heavy. God bless Canadian Trucks.
The two school divisions we service do not have that stipulation and I agree with you, I think its ludicrous to cramp 3 adult sized high school students to a seat. 3 elementary kids fit ok though
I was on those busses and they are pure hell they have bad suspension and the whole back end goes up and down almost hitting the road on bumps and on top of that it throws you out of ur seat
Well, we did once get a bus I was involved in scrapping to do a wheelie. Got 10 friends together, had them stand in the ass end, jump up and down, and I got under the front with a pay loader. That works.
My school has like 12 busses for 3 towns with a school with maybe about 1.3k kids. We have those long busses, used to have a front nosed ones but they got parked in the rear. We can fit almost an entire grade in one of these busses. Also recently counted it, 13 windows
@@victorzimmerman7566 also the overhang isn't nearly as bad as people think. The rear suspension you can see are just extremely thick leaf springs. Only like, 4 windows fully overhang off the rear.
