Viper just does so much on both attack and defence, and now that there isn’t a broken op character like Chamber or Jett, teams are more comfortable running solo initiator
@@Seivooo She's much less of a problem than before. Pre-nerf Jett was pretty much a must-pick on every map while nowadays she has become more of a versatile pick and can be replaceable in some niche comps.
I think she still is in the meta when it comes to most maps as a niche pick or a solo controller on haven I think she isn’t meta currently due to the double wall meta harbour viper Skye etc which dominates most maps
It has better flexibility but retakes with harbor viper are kinda unmatched to where nrg were Able to play 0 players c site and have a 100% retake percentage
@@phantomfox6020they were able to play retake mostly because liquid only had 1 controller so they didn’t have enough smokes to take the site and then hold it. If nrg was playing full retake into double controller it wouldn’t work nearly as many times. There was also 1 round where TL lost because redgar left a gap in his smoke
I'm curious if we're going to start to see more cypher because of the viper meta. You could counter much easier around the wall and there are different things you can do if you opt to use a cypher cam or trip in situations like this
Well lineups, insane wall and smoke orb that you can deploy and redeploy at will. She is absolutely uncontested at both lurking and holding sites, as well as creating space with her kit. And her ult is really useful for defence and postplat. Basically an initiator, sentinel and a controller all in one kit. No matter how nerfed, she'll be relevant forever
@@joshbreton8496 yes you should? both pro and ranked players need their needs to be taken care of. if the game is broken in ranked then everyone would quit lol.
Viper is in the same boat as Jett, and that is, no matter how much you nerf them they'll still find a place in the meta and pros will play her no matter what.
Jett can still use some nerfs tho. Such as nerfing the duration of her Smokes (it's kind of wild you can get half a defuse with one smoke) or even give her one smoke (I prefer the former) and honestly Knives should be on a timer just like how every single Duelist ult is on a Timer except hers. Viper, I am unsure on how you can nerf anymore since the fuel change seems fitting and you can def see it. Only thing would be MAYBE (and I am not saying I want this) is lower how far the wall can go? Idk, Viper seems pretty fine balance wise but she is really good inw hat she does. The alternative is buff the other controllers and sentinels to counter he which isn't a bad idea.
The reason viper is so good is she has essentially two rechargeable abilities instead of one. Also her decay makes her smoke the most "powerful" smoke, and mollys are just straight up the most powerful type of utility in the game
My teammates get so mad or even dodge games because they'd rather have a second duelist in reyna than an agent like viper as second smokes for map control. some ppl are so simple minded
it’s important to remember how drastically different ranked is from pro play. in many cases and in many elos, it’s better tho just try to run it down rather than slowly default for map control
you’re not playing a pro scene, you’re not using every agent to their maximum potential with certain combos, dont cry when people get mad you choose the most useless flex pick in casual play
@@meow2841 What gives you the idea viper is the most useless flex pick lol... go look at any valorant stats page and give me a cohesive argument with the numbers there that supports viper being the "most useless" pick. you can't.
I think riot could maybe reduce her max fuel ? Keep the recharge time for full fuel the same but reduce the duration of her utility a bit. The downside to viper obviously is that if you commit her utility early it can be pretty telling of what you are gonna do, but with a second controller she can pressure massively with her wall because her team still has smokes to execute onto a site or get map control somewhere else
the smokes arent rlly the problem anymore tbh. its the value she brings just from being able to lurk on attack and hold down sites on defense thats the problem, and no matter how much you nerf her its still gonna be the same
@@candice0981 if you nerf the max fuel it will make her timings to lurk tighter and it will also make her less good at holding sites on defense. The example shown on the video where the viper wall on A was just applying insane pressure, part of it is due to the uptime of the wall. There was a round where 4 ppl snuck through A short where they wouldn’t have been able to do it if the wall didn’t last for so long. Viper is helped tremendously by a second controller though, but i feel like double controller isn’t nearly as oppressive if viper isn’t one of the controllers
Thats not the meta problem. People adapt to the game now. They just open the potential of several agent like sova, raze, jett and viper. Nerfing just not solve the problem on my opinion.
Viper never runs out of util it always regens there has to b a limited amount of fuel across the whole round otherwise she’ll b able to have util present for the whole round no matter what
I agree I don't think she needs nerfs (and I am saying this as someone who never plays Viper it just seems the nerfed her kit to the point of fine right now) but I'd say now they have to go about buffing other Controllers/Sentinels to counter her.
@@funkycrawler619 I don't think you can touch viper by changing other characters. I believe in that sense that the issue with viper is she's too unique. And when they tried making Harbor to replace her, they failed because viper being a wall smoker isn't what made her special, it was the fuel bar.
@@emosti9652 I disagree that changing other characters can affect Viper. Skye rose to more prominence following Harbor buffs and Fade/Sova nerfs. Buffing some counters to Viper, in this situation probably Sentinels (which the entire class is a mess on its own) or other Controllers would affect Viper in that she wouldn't be as needed if other alternatives are available. I agree that her Fuel is unique but the ONLY wall Smoker prior to Harbor also was a factor.