Why Japan's conviction rate is 99% 

+Chris Black You mean like Otis Johnson? ''Otis Johnson went to jail at the age of 25. When he got out at 69, he rejoined a world that was starkly different from the one he remembered. This is his story.'' Beyond amusing how these videos are made all the time with bad justice system calls/prosecution in the US, but people see 1 from another country and somehow make themselves believe it's something new. Propaganda 101

+Chris Black id kill those responsible god damn. what fucking inviolability do these fuckers have to put the innocent in prison and think it wont affect them!

+RAPEE APE well its not like they were like this guy is innocent but lets throw him in anyway

shit such cowards in japan if this was my brother or sibling whatever. id be fucking pissed.

and then you spend the rest of it trying to clear your name but not realizing nobody cares.

Totally

Ayy

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Just finished episode 11 an hour ago. Makishima died 😢

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***** that's the point... you're not doing the crime but you're doing the time. It's some kafkaesque nightmare.

+AmericanRebel except a large number on people arnt guilty but still doing the time, I live in Japan and the justice system here is draconian at best, hell even lawyers arent allow to be present during interrogation, unless at the invitation of the police. So the police just interrogate (sometimes weeks at a time) until the accused cracks or thinks that they may not be innocent afterall. It more to do with the Japanese police thinking there infallible.

+AmericanRebel Wow, talk about the point flying right past you...

You can ask...

bpride Did you watch the video?

+incyphe Yeah. I was watching this thinking, "So.. what the fuck do you even mean?" The video was all over the place stating facts and numbers

+incyphe Japanese also tend to become quickly wracked with guilt and an overwhelming amount of people who do commit crimes, literally turn themselves in. This obviously makes it easy to convict. With THAT said, in my 15 years living there, a close friend of mine, (who was caught doing various minor things) says the method of interrogation by the Investigators is one of the biggest contributing factors. You will first sit for hours, days, with no info, then they bring you to a tiny room with two chairs, this room is only big enough for two chairs, like a broom closet. You sit inches away, face to face with the investigator, it can take hours, him questioning you, intimidating you, spitting while he talks, breath smelling, repeating the same stuff over and over, stating you are guilty "just admit it". After a long time, hours, days, etc, you either start to believe it, or you get tired of it and give up and just tell the truth.

+incyphe the video also erroneously implies that crime rates are low because of a totalitarian justice system.

+ThePseudomancer yep. As if, false confession is responsible for the high conviction rate. It also would have been nice if the video mentioned that our own US DOJ has conviction rate of 93%, as a point of comparison.

+incyphe Except that Japan's high conviction rate has been 99% for decades. US DOJ conviction rate didn't reach the 90s until the past decade. That being said, investigators gets away with a lot more while interrogating suspects. The fact that you can be held for 23 days WITHOUT a lawyer is very disturbing. When your convictions are built on convictions and rights during interrogation is very limited, then you have a problem.

You sound surprised. This happens very often.

William Marmol thoughts help..they always do... put a tinfoil hat on ,makes signal stronger

>Sounds surprised >Happens often >Shouldn't be surprised >Should accept normality instead and move on with life. *Gets accused of crime* *Becomes convicted* >Should accept normality and move on

scampers He signed a paper saying he did it. He couldn't read. Assuming they didn't tell him what it said. How the fuck was he supposed to know what he signed?

Oatmeal watch the video moron he confessed to murder

+Gordon Tubbs One of the largest differences not talked about or even hinted at in this video is the difference in prosecution rates. If arrested, in the US there is a 42% chance of prosecution in a felony case, but in Japan there is only a 17.5% chance. Ei, in Japan if their is not hard evidence that someone did the crime, they are far less likely to be prosecuted.

+Loathomar you are exactly right. one of the biggest reasons the conviction. rate is so high is because Japanese prosecutors only actually go to trail if they are almost certain to get a conviction.

+BeoJack, According to the video, the problem is that the "Confessions of guilt underpin 89% of criminal prosecution" and these confessions come about through harsh interogation method for a prolonged period of time without a legal counsel, leading to false confessions. It seems such was the case with the old man.

+BeoJack Then why do they interrogate the suspects at all ? If they have all this evidence why don't they just simply present it before courts ? Why waste your time with weeks of interrogation which are just as likely to get a confession from a innocent man than from a guilty man ?

+BeoJack You talk to any prosecutor in the US and ask them if they would go to trial without certain evidence. Both American and Japanese prosecutors make sure that they have enough evidence before going to a trial. In the US, it is especially true because crime rates are much higher than Japan and prosecutors have dozens of cases to go through every day. They will not waste their time to go to trial if they are not sure they got enough evidence to convince the jury.

Juleen Forbes now try to fit the low incarceration, low crime rates into your theory.

Whatever they're doing, it's working

it's called DRACONIANISM named after Dracula the ruler that impales you for littering or jaywalking- and not because you really are culpable

Jeff Porter Draconian is actually after a much much older dictator of Athens called Draco...

Alexander Waters You cannot teach a stupid kid

American Lawyers: Ace Attorney is inaccurate. No justice system is that corrupt. Japanese Lawyers: Weeeelllllll...

There was actually a video of a lawyer talking about how messed up it is while watching some of the Ace Attorney episodes than the top comment was from someone that practiced law in Japan saying that the game is actually pretty accurate about Japanese Court Systems. It's really kind of scary if you think about it.

Hamguy Bacon it's their honorable culture

You don't understand responsibility to your countrymen at all, do you?

He's apologizing for allowing them to force him to confess to a crime, which reinforces their conception that this will continue to work and more people will be forced to confess.

Obviously it's actually the authorities' fault, but there's small things he could have done.

Hamguy Bacon As fucked as him going to prison is for him, it is completely possible that he allowed the real killer to get away by taking the fall.

@@AA-ok5jz unrelevant but okay.

no mention of ussr/cambodia/china

Stefan Kovacevic ....you do know that Stallin killed upwards of 50 million of his own people, right? You need to go look up what a gulag was, then we can talk about the USSR

communist sympathizer confirmed, to allege there was no obedience to the bolshlevic party is a lie. to allege their card carriers didnt starve out the proletariat is a blatant lie. everyone having a job doesn't mean much when the majority of workers produce nothing

carl marker those three countries you listed had communism. Like fucked up version of communism. Both Germany and Japan are capitalist countries.

>implying i didnt know that >implying national socialism and capitalism are 100% interchangeable capitalist or communist, authoritarian none the less

Turns out it's a game that is poking fun at the justice system.

@@AA-ok5jz random

+Ryan N That's how propaganda works. It just shows a narrative, with no room for someone to draw their own conclusion.

+Haru X I didn't get that impression.. I feel that people could ONLY draw their own conclusion from this.

***** If people's ''own'' conclusion is everybody agreeing, then there obviously was a narrative. Especially when the only info they actually have on the topic at hand is the short video they just saw.

+Haru X I am not sure I believe many of the statistics sated in this video, but there is no way it can be lying about the time period for interrogation or prison rules. If you can show me that prison life is different then it is shown here and that the interrogation time period is shorter than stated here then I will admit this is propaganda, but this REALLY does not seem like propaganda. At all. Like even in the slightest. This just seems like you getting way too defensive over some group criticizing the justice system in japan.

right

What is Kira?

lmao that's funny XD

Or detective L haha

Bruh

but M defeated light

"Sometimes civilians can act as lay-judges" Exactly what do you think a jury is? It is a group of civilians who decide whether someone they don't know are guilty or not. They are "lay-judges".

SirGouki that's not what a civilian judge is at all.

it's actually more common to not have juries.

You think that's weird? look up the way they do shit in Indonesia. That's fucking weird

Yeah, most countries don't have juries, but a lot have some form of "lay judges" (which is both similar and very different to how a jury would work)

+Kejuan Lawson When was the last time you were in a US jail or prison? Japanese jails are clean and for the so called Draconian Laws, the crime rates is extremely low in comparison to US Statistics. Gee the comment that suspects are held for 23 days of interrogation. How about in the USA where serial murderers are held for life with conjugal visits, health and dental care as well as free sex changes. I think you need to visit Pelican Bay or walk the Yards at some of the prisons in CA and see what it is like.

Robert Avery bruh they dont know when their gonna receive the death penalty thats too harsh bruh.

+Robert Avery they aren't judged by their peers and crime is low in Japan due to the fear of a corrupt judicial system

wholly33 that analogy has nothing to do with i just said...

+Kejuan Lawson That's funny because Japan to us looks like Disneyland!

What can you do?

Well I don't know anything about how Japan works, I'm not sure if you're even allowed to speak up against the government and their justice system, but that's what I would do. A single person doesn't have much power, a single person can only try to get more powerless people together to create a voice that can be heard and respected, but even that may not work. I don't know, hopefully someone does

*Drop more nukes*

Henry Pfeffer have you seen how Japanese authorities deal with a peaceful protest to try and change policy? people just writing down thier thoughts on sticky notes in vast swathes and putting them all over the city square. And the japanese authorities deal with it with riot police and tear gas. And then 5 or 10 years go past and the goverment stops talking about it, and detain anybody who brings it up on a political scale.They don't send them to prison, because they can't convict them of any crime, but they can still pester them and arrest them wherever they go.

That's their problem, stay the fuck away

Interrogation for days without a lawyer when you are arrested. Who knows what kind of torture they do to you confess falsely.

Someone mentioned in another thread that Japanese judges are punished if an innocent arrestee is later found guilty, but not the other way around.

It did you just have mediocre comprehensive skills..

It did, you have to prove yourself not guilty to a panel of judges. This is close to impossible to do in 99% of the cases.

Because they lock up innocent people

+BinkieMcFartnuggets HAH!

+Valar Morghulis Whites, particularly in the U.S., are a very complex, heterogeneous mix. We're more genetically diverse than the average Japanese person, certainly, so we probably have more variation in appearance.

+tquasa butthurt black male got butt hurt

+Dyelahn how is he butthurt when what he said is only factual?

+Dyelahn And he called himself white, not black.

to bad more people won't have a chance tsee your comment, thank you for taking the time to comment

Japan is a sick country.. ands the fact the guards and police do that knowing the guy maybe innocent proves how un human they truly are.. can u imagine these guys? they must be completely empty inside no heat no soul.. just robots.. not human at all.. I would love to meet one of those guards in the UK and punch him in the face very hard so he goes back to Japan with a nice memory..

+Al “The Overseer” ‎غوثا‎ Really? So you would much rather live in a dangerous society where crime is rampant and such then a judicial system which works nearly the majority of the time?

robertos Yeah. Before you go any further, I live in the UK. So far, I haven't been a victim of any crimes so dont exaggerate the danger. I meant somewhere closer to home not Honduras or Mexico.

+Al “The Overseer” ‎غوثا‎ Agreed, also, remember putting an innocent behind bars for years is far worse than most crimes. Would you prefer your car to be stolen (and probably reimbursed) or falsely be put behind bars for 5 years? Better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent go down. By allowing people to go down with an element of doubt present results in false positives, thus making you just as bad as the criminals.

aaron west i would rtaher be a victim of theft than spend 10 years in prison for something I did not do.

+Al ‎غوثا (The Overseer) Blacks in the United States suffer much more, are arrested and killed by police for no reason!

Why internal medicine doctors? What does that even mean?

@@MultiSciGeek malpractices isn't enough to incarcerate a doctor. this is because of the 'guilty until proven innocent' structure. the practitioner could say 'we did everything' or 'his/her body gave out' and 'we cannot show, the medical history for legal reasons' edit: malpractices is enough to incarcerate, I mean ofc, but only if proven.

THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT. HAVE ONE OF THE WORST UN HUMAN SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD.. ITS LIKE A ZOO OIR SOME 3RD WORLD COUNTRY IN AFRICA THE WAY THEY TREAT PEOPLE// WHICH IS WHY THEY WILL ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED OUTSIDERS THEY DONT BELOON IN THE G7.. THEY DONT DESERVE ETO BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE MODERN WORLD.. AWFUL CULture AND SYSTEM

It’s innocent until guilty or guilty until proven innocent. Too very different systems. One values innocent people and the other targets guilty.

What makes any countries' statistics more reliable then? You're psyching yourself out. Yes they're flawed but there's endless anecdotes anyone who's been there would tell you. You don't have to watch your back there because everyone is worried about reputation.

JarrelGTV lol

JarrelGTV hahahahahahaha

JarrelGTV damn

100% agreed I actually don't give a fuck how japan is or what happens there (unlike uther fellow weebs) As long as I get my anime, manga, light novels, I'm fine.

Yigu Zhu like your Gabriel pfp

+ThePseudomancer You're stupid

+starfox300 Its a joke, mate.

+starfox300 no fun ZONE

+Connor Higgins I know it's a joke but it doesn't even make sense, the conviction rate is so high *because* there are so many innocent people being sentenced

+starfox300 Then take it as one. OP is merely jokingly answering the damn title. Whatever you felt didn't align with the true reasoning behind the answer is irrelevant.

Objection!

+stynkanator Why? They lock less people up and there is less crime. Seems to work. How many innocent people sit in American jails because they took plea deals that make up the majority of convictions today? is it more than 48 per 100k? You can bet your ass it is.

+stynkanator what are you talking about its far worse. the sheer amount of people in huge jails who havnt had a trial at all is surreal

+stynkanator America is a much more dangerous country, just looking at the crime rates between the two countries does not want to make you appreciate the judicial system of America and instead wants to make you want to change the system.

+robertos So the fact that law officers are good at there job and catch criminals makes you mad ? You do know if you put about 50 million African Americans in japan there crime rate would look about like ours right ?

+stynkanator Comments/sentiments like these are exactly the reason this propaganda video was put out. Somehow make people believe that a first world country with strict gun control and one of the lowest crime numbers in the world is worse than what they're already familiar with. Even compared to America, the worst first world country when it comes to crime, crime statistics and the judicial system. Any rational person would pick Japan any day when it comes to living & feeling safe. ''I might be wrongly accused and get sent to prison for life!!'', statistically that AND police murders happen an insane number of time more in the US than in Japan. This is a tiny pool out of which they've picked examples to show Japanese suspects get convicted and convicted wrongly. Even the entire pool combined, along with the people that DESERVED it, doesn't even make up for a fraction of the people wrongly accused and killed in the US at the hands of law enforcement, not to mention the risk of getting killed at the hands of other civilians, gun homicides among others. Things that don't happen in Japan, at worst you'll do a crime or be around a crime and MAYBE get wrongly prosecuted if someone cares enough to point you at as the culprit with some sort of evidence. And some people seem to be delusional thinking Japan is a small country with a small number of people, hence botching the crime rates (etc). Japan has a population of 130 million, the US has 326 million, and we're talking about crime rates and (gun) homicide numbers that don't even go up to a 1/50 ratio, let alone 1/2.5 to match the population difference. We're talking a literal gap of 1/400 when it comes to gun homicides in Japan and in the US, 300-400 gun related homicides in the US equals 1 in Japan, and that INCLUDES illegal guns and their usages by the Yakuza.

Wipe all those thoughts from your mind.

thats what they want you to think

It's the hope of people that are oppressed by the government so they hope to spread awareness by creating hope

senko ukura u mad cause your illusions got shattered^^?

dir calls jow dat reply to 1 yo comment tho

senko ukura go to *asia* instead

senko ukura No country is perfect. If you aren't a criminal this shouldn't apply to you but the main problem with Japanese society that would apply is likely the way workers are treated.

Predictable Enigma - did you miss the part about the innocent man being convicted of murder?

Yep, there it is. You have a choice of 23 days of mind boggling psychological and physical torture or a simple future death. 23 days is enough for anyone with a degree in psychology to convince someone they don't even exist.

+denisbaranoff Welcome to Planet Earth

+AirFlow no welcome to Japan

What a messed up society

It is a bit much, however it's better than the opposite where you have a society of people that for the life of them could never fess up to anything they did, like America. Self discipline and taking responsibility as a rule is a hard earned trait and important for a functioning society.

+TiffanyIndigo Remember, TiffanyIndigo, this is just Anti-Japanese propaganda from a very racist British The Economist"" which, in turn, is owned by a moderate Anti-American Publishing company called Pearson.

+Baron Samedi ah no, it's just facts. They are constantly articles and shows talking about negative aspects of American society. Grow a thicker skin weebo. Many parts of Japanese culture is barbaric. From xenophobia to molestations to this.

Yeah he is so anti-Japanese that he has multiple pro-Japanese videos, fucking loser is mad that his anime world doesn't exist.

TiffanyIndigo, it seems far worse in the US though. You are more likely to end up in prison. If you poor you'll get a shitty lawyer. Prosecution will threaten you with insanely long sentencing to arm twist you into a plea bargain thus chucking you in jail without any trial. Over 70% of all American inmates never had a trial. I live in Norway which I think would be the preferred place to live anywhere with respect to criminal justice, however if I had to chose I would probably pick Japan over the US. Not being able to speak with other inmates seems to suck, but unlike the US at least I likely wont get raped in prison or beaten up by some nasty prison gang. American prisons are notoriously violent places.

In the end, catchy narratives win more than nuance unfortunately. Never change. You're doing alright.

Western centrism and arrogance at its finest

@@5Up-bs8ld okay, and?

Which ours? Which country are you reffering too?

@@Sara3346 What is the video about genius?

Dude your litteraly just ignoring reality. The reason they have a 100% rate is because they had a diposition to vote guitly regardless once a case is brought to court even if the evidence is nonsense. The old man in this video being an example of your so called "100 percent proof of crime" which was a false confession. You honestly have faith that they are 99% correct give me a break. Your trying to mislead people and litterlay excuse the flaws of the japanese justice system.

If there is proof and evidence being gathered, then the accusation is either true or false. How can you say false accusation seldom happen?

you think a high conviction rate proves lack of corruption?

@@JohnSmith-zk8xp There is a reason why it is almost always more than 95% in developed countries. This is because there is no prosecution or trial without solid evidence. And there are many cases that are not prosecuted. So when a trial does start, it's because the prosecutor always has a number of incriminating pieces of evidence. Those who criticise Japan's conviction rate of over 99%, what percentage would you say is acceptable? About 80%? If so, that would mean that about 20% of false convictions are acceptable.

+Saint Val no, that's mainly due to the influence of the yakuza

+Travis Rogers Yep, two wrongs do make a right in the end. The truth of the matter is, there will always be innocent people who become incarcerated... It's not often, but it is something that is bound to happen. What keeps people from committing crimes in the first place is the fear of being jailed and how they will be treated in jail once they are inside it.

Travis Rogers​ Never said that. I just think most people exclaiming horror about the shortcomings of Japanese system are blissfully unaware of the extent of atrocities within their own.

+Saint Val Atleast the laws dont make Americans into submissive pacified slaves... Japan is a hypocritical nation of doing immorality below the rug... the Yakuza control everything, and every powerful man is a pedophile..

knight2battle can't argue with low incarceration and low crime. Every society has it's pros and cons. I think the Japanese are exceptional in many ways.

People that think that weebs really think Japan is a perfect society very ironic on the other hand.

+The Artificial Society HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

+kibordpengin well why shouldn't we call them on this? I mean US is dirty too when it comes to the environment. But the whales and dolphins have only other people to defend them so we can at least say something. In the end it's up to the Japanese people but if they don't have a sense that the world cares they certainly won't make some adjustments. So a bit of shaming is not a bad thing. The US deserves a lot of shaming on environmental issues and the rest of the world is doing a poor job in shaming us.

we shouldnt call them out on it until we stop murdering, entrapping, and eating whales, at least. you dipshit. The Artificial Society

+kibordpengin what are talking about? Only the Japanese are eating the whales. They announced that despite the international court ruling that they are going to proceed anyway. And they have refused to curtail their blue fin tuna hauls despite international outcry and warning that it will go extinct. Why are you defending it?

americans hunt and eat whales all the time, you fucking racist. crack a book sometime.