Right, we all know about the “death wobble” and the horrible issues that have plagued Jeeps and Dodges for years. Why would people buy a $60k Tupperware that will be on the side of the road next week?
Where in a nearby Toyota dealer that is selling 6x more than that in a month. The reason is cost and reliability. In today's economy, not many can afford a 80k truck and SUV to get decent features in a car.
@@naderkavandi they are still very reliable, just dont buy the first generation of anything especially if its made in the usa, any model toyota that comes from japan is A+++
Corporate greed. The ceo made 39 million dollars in total compensation in 2023 which was 56% more than he made the previous year. And the cars are crap now. Look how many 25ish year old cherokees are on the road still. Do you think we’ll be seeing 2020 vehicles from any brand still driving in 2045?
@@Weaver_Gamesnot that guy but the idea is that if they got that kind of money to throw around, they can use some of it to improve their crappy product. Why should a CEO get a 56% raise when the product gets worse and customers are going elsewhere.
Its laughable that the dealer refuses to accept any blame in this. I guess marking up your vehicles thousands above MSRP didnt work out long term for customer loyalty.
Used to sell dodge chrysler jeep & ram for years. Alot of subprime customers purchase these vehicles at high aprs too, cars are priced too high, quality is crap, constant issues with their vehicles. They dug their own grave!
Went car shopping 2 months ago, went to 5-7 American car brand dealerships……every last one of them was OVER PRICE and lacking customer service skills. 😐 Ended up going with Honda, reliability and over all VALUE is what’s important to Americans. Love my new JAPANESE CAR 🫡
I just priced a challenger (left over but new) $50k and ‘24 Mustang GT which is $57k. Absolutely insane! Plenty of clean used ones for a fraction of the price. Until they can market a reasonably affordable car like these cars were in the 70s, they will sit on dealer lots. Same for the Jeeps and $80k + trucks.
@@vm-my6hg What’s the excuse for Ford? They keep putting v8s in the mustang, why not tweak the hemi to become more efficient vs just getting rid of it all together? With the ID? I lost a bet
@@BinLaden773 Ford has the more successful hybrid & EV lineup to stay in the V8 game for a bit longer, but that's just a matter of time. Elections do have consequences.
So, you're telling me the same dealers and auto-makers who scalped the heck out of the customers are now facing dire times? Well, let me pretend to care.
Ultimately it all boils down to greed, even considering inflation , who can afford a 60,70,80,100k truck or Jeep? Build adorable cars based on the consumer, yes you need make money, but do you need squeeze the consumer for every dollar ? Bring back base model, stop building all these extreme trim packages.
Jeep fan boy here: Quality, at least on the Wranglers, is awful. Pricing is ridiculous. A cylinder head shouldn't need to be replaced at 60k miles, body panels should be aligned at delivery, parking brakes shouldn't fail, every JL and JT made will have body corrosion issues that Jeep is fixing at a cost of $12-$15k per Jeep. This is all basic stuff. To get a similarly equipped Wrangler as the one I purchased in 2017 it would be 2x the price, at least. Does Stellantis really think their loyal customers are getting paychecks twice what they were making 7 years ago. Stellantis management is out of touch with the US customer. And there is no sign of changing.
The US has so much car culture, engineers and large market. When can Jeep and Dodge put short term thinking aside and just make some damn good cars? I don't think the people can just forget how to make good cars where there is so much history with these brands.
Too oversized, too overpriced, offensive dealership markups, subpar quality, mediocre designs, no clear brand feel. Ram officially split off from Dodge, Charger, Challenger, and 300 killed, Hemi killed, Chrysler selling only an ugly minivan, Jeeps way overpriced and have quality issues with their tops. I mean I wonder why ppl aren't interested. Granted, the main issues of too big, too generic, too expensive, and ridiculous markups are universal to just about every OEM in North America these days, but American OEMs are the worst with it for sure.
During covid car companies got greedy and started to jack up prices and now they're learning people dont want to pay luxury car prices for a freaking Dodge
American car brands may have started the assembly line to make automobiles more accessible for the general public, but they don't offer anything much these days. American cars have neither the reliability of Japanese manufacturers or the prestige and technology of German manufacturers. Also Americans need to realize that "Bigger is better" is not true in this day and age.
These always feel like ads for these companies. Why are they struggling? Making inferior products to what Honda/Toyota churn out AND charging more than $20K per vehicle. Simply put: No one needs nor wants nor asked for a touchscreen to be in the center console. There, I saved everyone 16 minutes of their lives.
I worked for a project that works for different cars, the only cars we were charging higher than others are stellantis vehicles even though the services are the same stellantis still made us charge their customers much higher price, which basically sucks. They deserve this.
If I were Stellantis, I would bring Peugeot & Citroën models to capture the volume models that people are looking for, and leverage the STLA platforms to the max by offering a diverse selection of powertrains to cover all needs
It’s because their charging 100k for a 50k vehicle. But honestly that electric truck with the onboard generator that’s coming out will probably do good .
Because if you partnered with Mercedes, then Fiat and both cases improved the reliability of your products, something is seriously wrong with the way you run your business.
Pricing is a big problem. The other big problem is they didn't explain well enough to customers why the Hemi had to go! The Hemi played into the skyrocketing prices. There was so much extra cost with CAFE penalties and need to buy carbon credits. They have to get their fleet fuel averages in line with both passenger vehicles and trucks where they aren't having to pay out fines or buy carbon credits. The Simpletons can't grasp that reality. The other issue which is mentioned was cancelling product prematurely without having a replacement to fill its place ready. That gets to another issue I think that has been largely ignored is that they flooded the lots with vehicles to fill in the gap. Those vehicles haven't sold well enough or fast enough due to the pricing and a small but vocal crowd of Hemi buyers that truth be told Stellantis will be better off without! These are the ones throwing an adult temper tantrum and chasing people away from buying anything they make that doesn't have a Hemi in it or none American build roots. I see once they get these newer platforms out it might take a bit but they will win over a new and better customer base. Most of the Hemi heads will be dead before the full transition to EV's is completed so its kind of funny seeing them throw a temper tantrum over something they will never live to see.
I had a Pacifica and hated every aspect of the suv. The bigger issue I see is they think they are in the same league as Toyota and Honda and the price shows that. Personally I don't buy a vehcile with the agenda to trade it in. I plan to keep it for years to come. I don't feel Dodge is not going to last me for 10 - 15 years
50% increase in price in a market where demand elasticity relative to price is quite high. Couple that with dealers in '23 and '24 that were acting like it was still 2020 in the ADMs being placed on vehicles that were already too expensive. Couple those two with a customer base that absolutely needed a loan to buy the car in an environment where lenders were no longer tolerant of lending above market value. What did anyone think was going to happen?
“The price HIKES, along with internal cost CUTS, provided Stellantis with a year of RECORD SALES, PROFITS, and CASH FLOW” If you’re going to price gouge Americans, and not invest record profits into innovation, this is where you’re going to be.
Now looking back, FCA wasn’t that bad, nice styling, subpar reliability but cheaper prices than the competition, they dethrone Chevy Silverado from its 2nd place for almost a year. And now when stellantis took over, it’s been downhill for the Chrysler group!
Probably because they havent added any good new models in forever. Anyone who wants a Wrangler, Challenger or Charger probably already has one. And as far as I can tell there hasn't been that much innovation in their core model lineups since like 2010 apart from slightly more power. Or did they just expect everyone to want to trade in their Hellcats for Hellcat Redeyes?
My Jeep barely made it to 100k miles before it needed a new engine. Its most desirable cars are marked up. Its service center is horrific. The problems there are obvious focus on reliability and low price. Jeeps basically the same exact cars for Ions how haven’t you figure out reliability
They need to make their vehicles reliable. I can’t understand how in good conscience can UAW workers can go on strike and produce unreliable and subpar products? If they want more money then build better products that last.
For Dodge, Chrysler, RAM, and Stellantis? -Prices of $50k for a piece of trash. -Lack of reliability/quality and horrible warranty. -Terrible product design or their lack of. -Disregard for their customers needs!!!
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="129">2:09</a> That's Dave, our local Dodge dealer in Chester/Delaware County. Sorry Dave you have a great dealership but the brands you're stuck with are not.
The group is also not doing much on markets that they can still take cars they produce like here in India. They sell old products and that too at higher prices, so there are few buyer.
Dealers made their own bed as well when they started gouging customers with insane markups and addons. Stellantis saw that people were dumb enough to buy overpriced vehicles they can't afford and the markups just became the price. Problem is, them and other American brands stopped catering to the car market and bet all their chips on suv and truck sales. If they can make a sub $25k electric car and call it a Neon Ev they will sell. Take Chrysler and do what Hyundai did with Genesis and move it up market then have dodge, Jeep and ram fall back to earth and be the simple affordable vehicles they are supposed to be. Oh, and retool the HEMI and bring it back in a few years in a refreshed Charger and all new Cuda. I know it's all fantasy but one could dream.
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Wow people really don't have a damn clue. This was coming when CDJR was still under FCA. Overpriced??? Absolutely, but so are all auotmakers these days, or have you not been paying attention??? In all honesty, PSA (Peugeot) should have NEVER merged with FCA. There's a reason Renault told them to pack sand.
It's simple. The reliability of their cars is horrible. No media outlet wants to admit this. Why? My nephew planned to buy a Chrysler van. I told him if he does not want to fix the car everyday, use the money on a Sienna.
Why is it that Toyota car drivers are especially inept and timid? And what makes Toyota car drivers so special that bad drivers are drawn to these car like moth into open flames? Theory is that Toyota drivers are humor-less drones who, following Darwin's theory, have self-selected into driving the very soul-sucking cars that defines their personality.
Stellantis has an interesting portfolio but too many brands within it competing for the same market. However to many buyers there is nothing interesting in their US/Can showrooms. Time to bring over Citroen and Peugeot to USA/Canada
In Europe the Stellantis brands are always much cheaper and that is why they sell well. I get why Americans do not want to buy their products for the same price as Toyota, Ford and Volkswagen.
Why is Stallantis purposely lowering the quality of assembly and material but drastically raises the prices? 🤨 Shouldn't the reason to make it cheaper is to lower the prices make it more accessible to people with lower income??
Sergio/Fiat brought in forced ranking within the product development departments to save money on bonuses. It killed the team environment, communication and quality.
I have a 23 Scatpack Charger. I love the vehicle because of the power and nostalgia of American muscle, but I’d be the first to admit the Stellantis vehicles are way overpriced for the amount of features/quality you get. Each of their vehicles probably needs to be $10k cheaper, or more.
the stelantis dealerships in my country Panama look like a car graveyard.. there are a lot of new vehicles unsold parking very tight next to each other....
Lets see the obvious reasons: Overproduction. Not enough buyers Buyers jumped to Chrysler products and jumping back to Japanese. Insane price hikes for Jeep brand Luxury/performance brands using same platforms and cheap base model parts. Maserati and Alfa brands hemorrhaging money, both have never done well in the USA. German competition is higher quality in similar or next level price bracket. Korean competition grows in quality yearly. Market flops like Dodge Hornet reusing very old platforms that didnt sell well to begin with.
They are failing because they dropped the V8 to please the EU and their quality has gone down the sewer. Jeep and Dodge should be all American. They shouldn't be getting cozy with Euro companies.
