I participate in the machining of these jl audio speakers and its an amazing feeling reading all this positivity. We strive for excellence and precision
You strive for excellence? That's hilarious. Pop quiz... Is the use of Kapton voice coils because of: A: "Performance"? B: Because it is cheap and does not make noise when it rubs? If you work for JL, you will know first hand why it is called Jail Audio within the industry. What a rip-off company. I have repaired and rebuilt more Jail Audio W6 and W7 drivers than I care to count, and I'm far from impressed by that 25+ old design.
It's real easy to get caught up in looks. A lot of people whether they admit or not shop for magnet size and a million watts. I used to be that kid. Now it's all about efficiency and sound quality. Keep up the good content.
Yes thats what its always been about this whole time, actual sound quailty WHILE still trying to maintain built quality, that takes more engineering, research, and decades of experience, and thus more 🧀, its what separates the el cheapos from the Deep bros.
@@alexloeragallos bigger beefier magnets usually means it can handle more power. However I've seen smaller magnet subs have just as much spl dbs as those big magnet subs. So sometimes it's just a gimmick, you know bigger is better. The most important factor seems to be is how efficient is the subwoofer and not necessarily magnet size.
Been running JL Audio since the W6 18” and 500/1 debuted. Still my favorite as far as reliability and efficiency. They cost, but so do the finer things in life!!
@@annihilationindustries1990Which brand has cleaner and softer thumping bass? JL Audio, CT Sounds or DD Audio? I hope someone will reply because i want to buy one of those before christmas'
Respect. I had the first line of the 15”JL WO’s / two of them in a 3 cube wedge sealed box. I had the loudest and cleanest system per watt. My amp was a California 4 channel and I bridged ch 1-2 for one sub and bridged ch 3-4 for the other sub. Even tho it was not supposed to be bridged, it gave me years of enjoyment all through high school back in late 90’s-2000’s / haha, now I’m remembering that I used a battery operated Walkman CD player with a cassette adapter to play my music!! I had then and I still have tons of respect for JL Audio ! Thank you for posting this video and keeping it out there on your channel! Peace!
Good vid bro very knowledgeable because alot of us bassheads get caught up with the wrong idea about how some of this works thanks for the content keep it up
Preach it brother! I've been a JL customer for 25 years. I currently have 4 12w6v3's. Sound quality is amazing and they will get very loud with the right setup.
Thanks for being honest. Everyone knows if you got JL Audio, you got real quality sound. JL has always advertised real sound and power. Never bragged on over wattage advertising. Just real power with little space so you don't have to tear up your ride apart. Their subs sound amazing even in sealed boxes.
Being honest? Are you kidding? Do you know why JL uses those shitty Kapton voice coils? It has shit all to do with performance. They retain heat and lack rigidity. They use them because the advantage is as follows. They are dirt cheap, and they don't make noise when they rub. Any industry insider and builder out there with half a brain, are laughing their ass off every time they see people waste their money on JL. Go and see what a guy like Stereo Integrity can do for you if you pay him the same money. You'll be shocked.
I love this guys enclosures. He makes it look easy. Box is just as, if not more important then the subs being that the subs are decent not half burned up and are mechanically sound.
Man.....Whatever you were explaining..... Is the Gospel!!!!! When I moved to Detroit in 1998, a "D" Boy (you know what he was") had 3 JL 12's in a sealed box facing the rear with the the deck lid open, (it was in an 80 something Grand National) with the trunk facing away from the building. The enclosure was the approximately size that you have there w/o the port section. It actually had the brick wall of the building in front of the car vibrating as well as the windows in the laundry mat across the street behind the car flexing. JL Sub Woofers are NOT to be taken lightly at all !!!!! Yes another excellent video telling it like it is. Thanks again Man and keep killin' em'.
Id disagree. You pay over what you get. JL’s for their price is ridiculously high, and there are a lot of other products that are cheaper, that deliver just as it even better sound quality. You’re basically paying for the name if you’re buying JL’s.
Jl did pay for the design patients though I’ll give them a lil that But yeah I will totally smash a pair a W sixes with some power acoustic Gothic’s any day for less than A quarter of that price
People always bring up price to justify disliking JL audio subs. My first JL audio sub was a 10w6v2 and it’s still one of my favorite subs even till this day. I’m not a number chaser but the only time I’ve heard a JL sub sound bad was due to poor install or user error. The equipment just last, I have a 300/4 and 500/1 gen one still in working condition.
Back in like '05 I had 3 JL 10s in a jl sealed box with an old Alpine amp think it was about 500 watts I remember that sounding extremely good. It was in the trunk of a 01 Impala.
I still have my 8.3 microsub box , sold the 8W6's that were I'm there but man they beat for some 8"s . Rated for 600RMS but I ran a memphis 1000d @ 1ohm pumping 1100wrms and they took it all day , twice over....two 10w3s in a co workers tacoma down firing in a extended cab truck got me hooked on JL Audio
Right on, brother. I'm 44 and still using A/D/S/ (Massachusetts-made), PPI Art Series (Arizona), and JL Audio 12" subs since the mid-90's lol. This shit STILL rules to this day. Boi, gunna LOOK NIIICE, boi!
Hello, dear friend. Thank you for the informative and beautiful clip. Thank you for guiding me to make a ported enclosure for 2 subwoofers 8w3v3 jl audio. Thank you.
I heard two JL Audio 10s in a Chevy Cavalier back in @'97 on a small Alpine V12 amp and it was shaking my vehicle from the opposite side of a KFC building. Went to go see it for myself and it happen to be a buddy of mine. Stock GM radio, 2 JL 10s, old medium size Alpine V12 amp and that was it. Stuff was just laid in the trunk and quaked!!! It doesn't take much y'all but quality does make a difference.
I’m patiently waiting for the new kicker solo x’s to drop to replace my old 12” solo x that the tinsel lead ripped out long ago. My old rare Rockford type rf x7 is wanting to push something big. First box I’ve ever built and took pride in was for that sub, 3.25 cu ft tuned to 32. Still have the box after a decade since running a real system. Currently prepping a more sq setup atm and delving into the dsp world. I almost pulled the trigger on a kicker l7 q class but decided to wait for the solo x. Love the videos man, keep em coming!
I can’t wait till he reviews the L7 Q class 15s!! With a ported box for two of them Speaking it into existence! and if he ever reviews the new solo X’s that’s coming out in the 15” version in a dual 15 box im going to lose it
I recently bought 2 L7Q 12’s, and was extremely disappointed. I’m a big Kicker supporter/fan and I’ve only had L7’s in my last 4 vehicles. Looking back I should’ve gone with 10’s, as the parameters between Q-10’s and 12’s are extremely similar, and I was using 1.5 cubic feet per sub(sealed). IMO L7R or L7S is the way to go overall when you weigh the scale and look at the specifications. That being said, I had 2 Solo X 12’s, and will HAVE to buy the new ones when they come out!!!
There is a big difference between brands these days and always has been in the old days. The original w6’s even by today’s standards they are excellent subwoofer. Not rated to take a great deal of power but you would be hard pressed to find a driver that is capable of their output with just 300w rms each and able to go as low as they do in frequency. The original w6’s proved to be some of the lowest hitting subs in sealed enclosures. Today many subs and amps are designed by a brand but then out sourced to be built in China. This makes a tremendous difference in quality in the final product and many times doesn’t always translate into a full 100% copy of the design the brand was going for. For example, Dayton makes the Max x but to keep cost down they have them built in China. The subs actually do not have a 2.5” coil like advertised but instead have a 2.38” coil. The gluing that is done to the cone to coil is actually pretty mediocre quality, I have dissected a 15 and laughed at how terrible it was done! Now I have to build a sub off the motor for it not to go to waste. JL audio built its subs right in Florida for the most part and the quality shows it! They have some products that are out sourced but for the most part the subwoofer lines are built right in the USA.
As I stated they do out source lower lines. Quality control is great for finding duds but it’s never gonna fix the use of inferior quality parts, adhesives, and building techniques.
I habe a single jl w3v3 4 and its sounds so great with electronic music. I switched from a skar sub and had no idea how much music was in my music unitl i switched to JL
I have a JL W6v2 that I bought a long time ago.. maybe 10 or 12 years ago. It’s been in its ported box in the closet for probably 7 years. I can’t bring myself to part with it since I traded my car for a truck. When I had it hooked up, people couldn’t believe it was only a single 12. That sub is amazing.
i had my w6v3 in a 2.5 cube box. i think it hit lower notes better and was louder overall than the jl spec box. i did it cuz the box i had was too big to remove from the trunk so i just swapped out the sub
Have 2 jlw6V2 12S from 2003. Best subs ever in my opinion. Ann's that's on a jl 1000/1......installed new surround about 2 years ago for $20 they hit just as hard as in 2003. My new alpine type x come pretty close to the sql of my jls
I had some w0 way back and they never seemed loud they got to say 125db and no matter how much power or what I changed they wouldn't get louder but on the good side they never blew up
The JL 13W7 is one heck of a sound quality monster and the bass is so deep and rich. I fell in love with the Fi Neo 3.5 12 inch too. Fi does make the baddest meanest subs for both SPL and SQ, and anywhere in between.
Yep I had 2 13.5 w7s and I upgraded for spl to some neo 3.5 18s, the w7s sound alot cleaner but the fi sound pretty good, only thing is they have no backplate venting so they make alot of mechanical noise
Great video bruv. Some people do think bigger magnet and cheap subs is better. Maybe for SPL 1 note wonders. Hey I I've my share of hair tricks but I enjoy listening to my music clear also.
Hey man sorry about that whenever I watch videos whether I like them or dislike them I always forget to hit one or the other buttons but I love all your videos and I will do my best to try to remember to hit that like button
I currently have tow 12w3v2 in a box running on about 400w rms and it puts systems with more wattage to shame. I’ve had a lot of people ask me what I’m running and they don’t believe me. JL audio is really efficient and sound quality is impeccable.
reminds me of my old Hollywood Excursions. their motor, was very small by todays standards. they were 12's rated for 225 wrms per subwoofer. they were in 2.5 cubes sealed, ran by a 900 watt amp, from the trunk. and it was so loud that you were in pain while you were in the back seat. you wanted out. so yeah. there's a definite science to the motors here. as well as enclosure and type of vehicle.
Not the smoke detector lol. I have 2 JL 10W6's pushed by an Alpine PDX M12 and they sound amazing. Right now they're in a prefab (puke), can't wait to get them in a good box!
I used to be a JL fan boy, I started with the w5 duel 8ohm in box built to specs( it took up the whole trunk in a 90 cougar) then I got the w3's when they hit the market in 99 00, anyway over the years you collect car audio, so in the early 00 I had two 15in kicker comp (dvc) but sill collected JL when I found a good deal. Around 2012 I sold my park ave, and sold my 15's and just left car audio alone, but still have my wall of amps ( ppi a 600.2 mtx jack hammer eclipse xa1000 first gen punch 150hd just to name a few, I'm looking at the wall as I'm writing so I'm trying not to leave my favorite's out, like my very first real amp kenwood 921, but back to JL so last year I decided to build another vehicle and I took out two JL 10w0 boxes, one was a triple stack and the other duel. Both boxes had the JL grills ( the metal grills with the rubber u push in) they've been in the garage for 10plus years and when I put power to them the surrounds blew off all 5 speaker's, I call JL and they basically said the grills had a design flaw that condensation from the elements would build up around the metal and soaked up by the foam surrounds, but unfortunately they don't carry the surrounds for that gen any more and basicly go f myself. I had two 12in p1 that I had to use and they were in the garage two but they were fine, hell I got two 10 in Optimus pro in kicker boxes that have cloth surroundings, no damage. Anyway I came across two 12in l7 in separate boxes for two hundred used and honestly I don't think I'll ever go back to Jl audio, or a round sub again
A lot of people like to talk smack about JL because they're more expensive than other high end subs but what most fail to realize is that the magnet/motor structure is unique and appropriately sized for the driver size. If you put a 10W7, 12W7, and 13W7 next to each other, you'll see that the motor gets bigger as the driver size increases, and that's because JL put the time and R&D budget into designing the right size motor for each driver. If you do the same thing with another "super" sub like a Sundown something something, you'll see a 10 and a 12 with these ridiculously large motors, a 15 with a large motor, and an 18 with what looks like a small motor.... because they all use the same motor. This obviously helps cut down on cost, but what is the right motor size with respect to the driver size? Did they engineer the sub using the 12 as a template, and then scale it up to the 15 and 18, or did they design it around the 18 and scale it down for the 12? Is the Sundown a lot louder and a lot cheaper? Definitely. Does it sound as good as the JL? Not in a million years. When you buy a 12W6 or 12W7 from JL, you know you're getting a sub that was built from the ground up to be the best 12 it can be. You get what you pay for with JL, which is why they'll always be my sub of choice.
After reading some of the comments, I see their is a lot of JL hate in here. It's mostly because ignorant minds. JL is the top ranked for all around equipment for daily use across all vehicle platforms without needing massive amounts of power and current. When installed properly, ran properly, tuned properly, you will never have an issue. User error made JL haters.
@@mrjetlife27 agreed! And JL is just more on the tech side of it. Knowing how new cars are with the sensitive electrical they have, soon people will be paying JL money for long term in these new cars. Look what Steve Meade had to do just to run his amps in his Caddy. It’s tech that takes over today. But really, I could do a build with anything and come up with something impressive. All on the installer.
I agree JL audio equipment just works, you know what you are getting and the results are always repeatable. You have to work hard to make a JL audio subs sound bad.
People who hate on JL are clueless. They either can’t afford it or haven’t heard their stuff. Once you have heard them you won’t want to go back to anything else. Currently inning two 13w7s and I love them
@@curtg5654 man youre trippin type r's are savage af. you can throw all kinds of power at them. alpine does compare. if I had to pick type r or a w3 Im sorry Id pick type r in a heart beat. and Ive owned w3's so dont get me wrong, theyre dope subs for sure. but cannot knock the type r's man
Awesome video! I had TWO W7 12's and now I have a single 12W6 in the JL H.O. prefab box and it is astonishing. I was just at a lowrider show and people were like, "that's ONE 12" on 600 watts?!?!?" YEP. For what I can see, the 12W6 is just a scaled-down version of the 12W7. 33% down. Pound for pound, it may be one of the best JL subs ever!
@@tonywarren2549 for my application, the w6 works. It is lighter and requires less power to utilize its entire envelope. Both are amazing drivers though.
I've owned both and the w6 for price and for what it is, is an all around great sub. Personally, I prefer the w7. Both are musical af, in the right box you will hear sounds most subs just can't reproduce. My next setup will be focused on sq however, using w7s it's also going to give me the slam I want
@@tonywarren2549 to me w7 is just a better sounding subwoofer. W6 is good but not better than W7. I am not just talking about output either, W7 is much cleaner and sounds better to my ears.
Many can get loud but few get loud while being an SQ sub. JL sound so nice in the proper box with proper amp. Sure, others can sound just as good and get even louder but at that point they cost same as JL. Like sundown x series etc
after being out of the car audio game for 15 years. I jumped back in. I have a little more money than I use to. I had limited in space in my 09f350. this shit hits harder than my old w15. crazy clean and loud. the TW3 is for real.
I know it's not JL audio quality but what's your opinion on the budget friendly single 12" Sundown E12 in a down4sound profab box? Is that box the proper size for that speaker? I know it's a budget set up but I'm curious because they say that box was designed specifically for the Sundown E12. I ask because I know how you preach how important box is.
To me the W6 is one of the best sql subwoofers of all times and spectacular balance of grace and sheer output I love my W7s and wanted to run them but u didn’t wana build me a box for it in this build lol so I went with 10” L7 q-class. Not to mention my 13w7 have and shelf expiration date due to the cheap foam surrounds and which are built to fail And don’t have much of a Uv treatment as is …
Hey MB I'm curious what your thoughts are of the Memphis VIV14" subwoofer.. 7.5" voice coil technology that lets it play flat with high power. I have seen it compared to a JL Audio 13W7. It looks and sounds pretty promising.
What do you suggest for a 2017 ram 1500. I'm running some 8' mojo with memphis box. But I want that hard deep bass so what subs do you suggest jl,dds,wdx. Please let me know
What is your opinion on Memphis audio. I appreciate it your videos you don't sugar coat anything but back in the day you would hear about JL audio, Rockford ,kicker and Memphis now it's different.
I seen your other video about clean bass and running more watts than rms ratings. I have A rockford T1000-1BD pushing 2 JL 12 TW3's rated at 400 rms each wired to 1 ohm. Would that be over powering the subs? Or would it produce clean bass? Custom sealed enclosure made by MTI Acoustics. 1.7 cubic feet. Should I wire it down to 2 ohms or keep at 1 ohm?
I've owned a bunch of JL stuff over the years and would agree that JL makes great products, BUT you'll need to refinance your home, sell off a kidney or some such in order to buy an amp and a couple subs.
Yeah true. Same with jbl home theater or dj speakers. They are expensive but like you said you get what you paid for. Scratches seem smooth by ear of sound.
Yeah true. Same with jbl home theater or dj speakers. They are expensive but like you said you get what you paid for. Scratches seem smooth by ear of sound.
Been wanting to go back to JL when I can afford it. I had a 12 TW3 as my first sub and loved it! Then got a new truck, had 2 Comp R 8’s, wasn’t that happy, got a sealed Comp R 12, good sound, not very loud, put it in a ported box from an audio shop locally tuned at 50 hertz that I just learned, sounds horrible. Just got a Skar SDR12 going in soon. And if I’m not happy with it, I’ll go back to JL most likely
how did the skar setup played out, u finally got my 10w6v3 on a ported box built to jl specs powered by a hd750/1 and yes the bass is clean and accurate but the output is not very much, i get it is a 10 but i was hoping for more punch, i been eyeing the skar evl preloaded 12" box i've heard nothing but great thing about it
@@gackal1982 the SDR was a piece of crap, it blew up in just a few hours at half power, I got re-funded so I upgraded to the SVR and it’s freaking loud. I’m gonna switch to an EVL soon as it has a bigger surround than the SVR and takes more power.
