Why Kilimani, Kileleshwa and Lavington may be 'the new Pipeline' 

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so true i was just there for 2 weeks im telling you nairobi ni bure. I'm planning to go permanently soon.Tena public transport has improved so much.More space fresh air more opportunities.

@@user-se5fm5fz8o Actually Kiambu County is also so disorganized. Poor sewage drainage, no proper inroads, and shortage of essential amenities such as water. I was referring to a few estates I have visited in Limuru.

Overall, the Nyanza region has better planning compared to other areas.

Nairobi iko sawa bana sijui mnamblein ya nini 😂 besides this is how growth is spread. There will be another kilimani and kileleshwa in the future to come

Kisumu city Haina pesa😅😅​@@thejackofalltrades100

Change is a must... all inner cities look like that all over the world. The rich usually move out. People in Kilimani should be in Karen by now.

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Actually, pipeline can be improved if the landlords really wanted to! Why don't they want the value of their rental properties to go up?

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@@Delmont100 It can`t it will become gentrified and instead of improving be stuck in time like Umoja when it was once the Pipeline.

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Kabisaa!

True..

Still does not negate city by-laws and zoning.

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I am an old guy who was an avid reader of "James Hedley Chase," way back in the 1960s. In one of the novels, a fellow was complaining as follows:- "Look at these people, they are oblivious of good value of things; Good Wine Good Food and Good Social Classes. They are blind to these things". We have reached that point today. Everybody from the President to the the lowest Hustler is building flats, selling Chicken and eggs, stealing farm produce from one another and generally mingling as Hustlers, people oblivious of Class and good things of life. That is the reason we no longer have Low Density Areas in our cities. Everywhere is a Slum these days.

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Nunua keja greatwall

Watu warudi mashambani.

Heri sasa na huko kamulu aki

Nairobi is growing its not being destroyed, stop being pessimistic

Zoning laws for the area changed so you can't dictate to developers how to utilize their property if they are following the new laws

Not nairobi only the entire nation,hii Kenya yetu tunachukua mambo mzaha.

​@@itsTheTruthTellergrowth does not have to be haphazard. Why can"t it be well planned

@@cb8496 better it grows haphazardly than not grow at all. We will fix it later

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I cry for south.c

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That is precisely why this is happening. Kenyans are not fighters. We move when pushed instead of demanding whats ours.

.ehh....choo ikizibika....fix it....hauendi ku-kunia further down.....

Does that mean we create Umoja 1 in Lavington

Bomoa that is the only language corrupt business ppl understand. Pass an act of parliament disallowing architectures from planning or building syructures in these areas.

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I disagree.

Did you notice that she was probably cooking Bosco?

And i recently drove on a Chinese built road, and?

@@consigliere254 didn't want to see the pot just in case..hehe

@@AAA-sx5ej and no one is talking about roads

​@@AAA-sx5ejLearn to connect the dots😅

....ehh....and who told you the concrete slums are not already in the counties..??... ..are unfordable houses not junk accomodation...??... ...or are the poor house-junkies bcoz they are poor...??... ............................... .....wacha maneno..... ...stolen elections have consequences.....!!!..... ...madoadoa hazifanyiki bila sababu....zinasababishwa...!!. ...learn to join the dots....

I agree with this cause issues like employment will not be an issue and Majority of Kenyans will be able to afford housing and basic commodities.

Are u anti development?

@@AAA-sx5ejNobody is anti development he is saying other areas of the country should be developed not just Nairobi.

right

Dont forget Kidero too 😂

Oversight is urgently needed nevertheless.

except zinajengwa without proper planning,

@@janejustin1788true no proper planning in most of them.... Infact kuishi izo areas nowadays is a mess stima na ukosefu wa maji, most of those areas maji hukua distributed na lorry 🚛 za clean water 😳

Exactly, this is a good thing

Exactly that was my thoughts, there's some Kenyans who feel so damn entitled that their luxurious neighborhoods are "untouchable", they want to breath their own air, they're not planted there, let them vacate, sell those apartments and go to more spacious place

New York is sinking.

Its Willing buyers Willing seller of land

Sio kuliko kidero na sonko 😂

We tried to tell you guys but you didn't want to know.

These building we're given approvals over 5 years ago.

NO It is Sonko and Kidero. ONe was very incompetent while the other was a big time thief.

@@nativeson1559 Kenyans love villains 😂

....ehh....wacha maneno..... ..kama mtu alikua anatumia ngamia...na bado alikua sawa...leo huyo mtu amekula hio ngamia...na ako na magari lakini hatosheki kuiba na kuuza vitu bandia -shida ni ya nani..??.....ni maendeleo...ama ni uzembe-leo kuto-tii sheria...??... ...stolen elections have consequences.....!!!..... ...madoadoa hazifanyiki bila sababu....zinasababishwa...!!. ...learn to join the dots....

Willing buyers Willing seller of land

Parklands is gone to wariyas with their black money from somalia they have taken over

​@@kunglao3381Warios are not the problem. The root cause of the problem are the corrupt nywele ngumu Africans occupying big offices within Nairobi County government offices and just waiting for bribes to approve anything presented to them as long as the bribes come along

It’s now legal to build over 20 floors

I weep for Lavington green. The ka nice shopping center now looks like a nice part in Kawangware

If u want leaves, go live in a forest😂😂

@@AAA-sx5ej if you want skyscrapers go live in Kenyatta conference center 😉

​@@AAA-sx5ejI have seen your comments and I think you don't seem to get the point .The issue is poor planning ,we don't have to develop land just for the sake of developing .systems should be able to continue working well .No one is against development,the issue is why live in a posh apartment with poor lighting and no water ?

Some of those Skyscrapers are without clean water ..,boreholes are dug next to the sewer system coz everybody wants to build a 40 storey next to yours so all those mega boreholes they are digging are compromised … Nairobi is overrated build your mansion outside the city and leave happy and healthy .. people want to retire in a peaceful place so do some villagers feel when the granny home is sandwiched between a 30 storey apartment?

Ruto is a real snake in the grass… but, this is the kind of corruption that thrives in Kenya, that’s why he was elected.

@@qrankmw. Get back on your medication

....ehh....wacha maneno..... ...stolen elections have consequences.....!!!..... ...madoadoa hazifanyiki bila sababu....zinasababishwa...!!. .....madoadoa aina zote ufanyika baada ya wizi wa kura.... ...learn to join the dots....

Eventually they will come and build highrise apartments there to. Its all a matter of time.

​@@steveodhiambo2739Very well stated. The African problem is a mindset problem. There aren't many Africans who have lived in an urban setting through more than 2 generations. Urban planning is a strange concept to most Africans. The village is still strongly residing in the mind if an African urbanite. School education does not change any of that because it is deeply engraved in the mind of an African not to have long range urban planning. It is an African culture not to plan and/or not to respect plans.

You nailed it bro

Overpopulated slum.

Willing buyers Willing seller of land

@@AAA-sx5ej I have seen your comments but kindly just visit your nearest mental health center

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Its deliberate, so that a few rich people keep the value of property they have bought in those few places areas high... if water , sanitation, roads , security and some serious public planning was done all over Nairobi and environs, we would be having Lavington like estates all over for ordinary people to live in dignity. Lakini wapi..Fisi wanachunga mbuzi

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Agree

​@@muriminyaga That's highly doubtful because that is not how wealth grows. Wealth grows faster when you have wealthy people around you. Just like a candle does not lose its brilliance by lighting another candle. Poverty dies not benefit anyone.

Are u poor?

@@AAA-sx5ej a person should not love money more than morals and integrity.

But those who move there will still go with the African mentality of sluminizing his environment and it will soon start degrading into another Buru Buru and eventually into a Pipeline estate. The problem is not in the lactation but the African mindset. But the mindset challenge to Africans can be understood because there aren't many Africans who gave lived through more than 2 generations in an urban setting. Africans moved to urban centres with a village mentality. That's where the problem lies.

That's good. More people, more housing

Same to Nairobi west

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And do u leave in s.c ? Ama ni kelele ya chura uko nayo

Willing buyers Willing seller of land

I've got property there, donholm is very nice.

better donholm by far.....wasomali ndio wanataka kuleta tall buildings.police line tayari moja imesimama lo!

Move to ur village then

He need nothing else but money

YOu have jokes. You have good jokes.

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Hes clueless n toothless

Construction is not a menace.. Nairobi is just rapidly growing and those people complaining should also evolve and move away. City is not for living, it's only for business and work

He cannot!!! U can't stop growth of population and change in life... U can only formulate policies for everyone to fit in this nation

​@@davidmabalu4635.ehh...toothless and illegit..... ...if he had genuine votes...he could have banned the matatus as he said... but...teams uganda degree is only as good as the ""statehouse"" printer which made it.....without vision as miguna had...but miguna pia amemezwa na wezi wa kura - hajijui alipo....!!!..... .

He can't, considering that even his degree is fake. They'll take him down .

Stop complaining, this is how any city grows

​@itsTheTruthTeller No, this is not proper - this is unplanned development. Properly-planned development of a city would provide infrastructure such as transport, and that would inspire building even further away from the city. There are no resources such as roads, sewerage, water, among other resources required to serve this high population.

@@kandisphere8828 @kandisphere8828 @kandisphere8828 @kandisphere8828 @kandisphere8828 so tf what if it's not proper?! It's fu**king growth and better this than remaining stagnant and not growing at all. There's transport and it's affordable. There's small towns and neighborhoods surrounding Nairobi proving that people are building further away from the city. Roads are there the previous government even built an expressway to prove that we have a good road network. Our sewer system is old and needs overhauling and we have water but the only thing stopping it from reaching ALL taps is because of cartels. The point I'm trying to make is we're not perfect and getting to that utopian cosmopolitan metropolis that you want takes time but at least we're working at it...

....ehh....wacha maneno..... ...can you have right priorities based on wrong decisions/actions....??.. ...stolen elections have consequences.....!!!..... ...madoadoa hazifanyiki bila sababu....zinasababishwa...!!. ...learn to join the dots....

​@@itsTheTruthTellerthis is not how cities grow, that's a lie.

I deal in Real Estate software for apartment management, can we talk?

And ur point is what exactly?

Yes, but you need to drive the change and take positive change while rejecting negative change. Stop acting passively in the face of change. You have a role to play in determining the direction of change!

When they put an X on your structure, they are basically telling you "Cheza kama wewe".

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That's not possible

Kenya's population is growing and that comes with demand for housing. It's time Kenya begins to work for all Kenyans and not just a privileged few.

@@Edwachable While it is true that our population is growing, I'm pretty sure less than half (if not less than a quarter) of our population can actually afford to live in those neighborhoods. And someone with the means to live there has options, there's no way they'll take such houses. Even right now there are still many unoccupied apartments in the area, why are they building more??

This congestion is what will eventually bring down property prices in those areas. Who wants to live in an expensive house that is always dark

City planners did not expect this.

​@@user-st9tw7db4e What did they expect? What did they plan for? Who approves the designs?

The highrises in and of themselves are not the issue, the poor planning is.

..ehh...do you live in kenya...??.. ...those concrete slums exist even mashambani...only they are not as many....

@@qrankmw. what is your argument ?🤔

​@@justinekenyansaehh....kama uko hapa kenya...go to any town cente...utapata some gorofa buildings that are not worth living in...so....the problem already exists even in mashambani....only that the numbers sio mingi as in nairobi...some 10 years from now...u will find ,"baby pipelines""..all over.....

@@qrankmw. true, but that's not what I meant. Country living does not translate to 'gorofa buildings' in small towns, it's a different concept.

Willing buyers Willing seller of land

Our city is good. Wacha Kigali wacheze ka wao na sisi tucheze ka sisi

U cant compare a village and a mega city

​@@itsTheTruthTellerThere is nothing to be gained by being impervious to experiences from elsewhere. The chaos and disorder that has been descending on Nairobi is a recipe for disaster. If others have a better solution, then we should be humble enough to take a look at it, though the main cause of these problems in Nairobi is just corruption. They know what ought to be done but they act dumb because they have been compromised.

​@@AAA-sx5ejWhy not? You can compare a clean and orderly village and contrast with a dirty, poorly planned, and chaotic megacity.

@@georgeodhiambo598 when you get power or when someone who will do what you want gets power then they can implement everything you want and how you want it but unfortunately we don't have those people in power now so you can either take what we have now and be patient for your turn or you can rebel now and take back the government and do what you want... Those are the only choices we have.

Sio overrated kwangu 😂 Nairobi ni mboko

Opportunities are still very much concentrated here. I for example work in an industry where the only players are based in Nairobi, so navumilia kuishi jijini. Maybe one day devolution will really do its thing, but by then I'll probably be retired 😅

Nakuru is the next option

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So we turn everywhere into pipeline, sewage kila mahali, hii ndio ujinga ya kunormalize poverty

Even those who live in Kibera are human beings but it doesn’t change the fact that they deserve better.

​@dennisngugi1102 stop bringing up irrational arguments that don't add up, We should be dealing with economic aspects , the population is increasing and resources are limited.

​@frankodoshe They deserve better indeed, but with liberalized democratic and far-right political democrats will never allow it. touch Land in Kibera today as previous regimes tried last one being the Charity Ngilu initiative which failed terribly, We can have cosmetics projects like KENSUP slum upgrading which happened some years back but slums are still there

The developers and architects know this, and that's why they made such legislation.

It is not growth that made them relocate. It is chaotic growth and urban rot that made them relocate. Nairobi has been growing from early 1900's. Stop hiding behind growth to cover up the massive corrupt practices at City Hall leading to urban rot.

Some bought 12 or so years ago then new adjacent developments change everything for the worse

Pipeline ni ng'ombe zinaishi. Nani hustay pipeline!?

Uliza nyanyako

@@josephwamae6348 amenishow ni ng'ombe za kienyeji. Thanks for the tip fam♥️

Glad to be of help

What do you mean when you state that goodwill is corruption? You can always take a walk to the next landlord if you are not comfortable with paying goodwill. Goodwill is not a purchase price. It is the value built into the property due to its location, previous tenant and loyalty.

Has anyone stopped you or anyone else from living in any part of the country? Sound physical planning and zoning does not create economic classes. It just takes cognizance of their presence in a society and plans for them. That's why you get a whole range of different types of goods and services to match different pockets. That's why we have benzes, range rovers, tuk tuks and bicycles to match different.

Every person has the right to access sunlight and fresh air as a part of access to health. Stop lowering the bar just because your elected officials are taking bribes and approving buildings that they know are wrong. There are building bye-laws and codes that ought to be strictly adhered to.

​@@georgeodhiambo598 Refugees who have destroyed their countries are taking advantage of our progress but don't care what happens to our country. They can move elsewhere. They are only interested in what is working in the short term.

That's not an excuse for poor planning. How can people build apartments right next to a fuel station? That is a serious disaster waiting to happen. Third World mentalities of just building where we feel like must be avoided, neighbourhoods have to be zoned for obvious reasons, like controlling traffic congestion, protecting wildlife, and ensuring that safety regulations are met.

@@zack7438 Third world mentalities again? do you think Kenyans are not keen and aware why this has been a n issue within Kileleshwa, Kilimani and Kitsuru areas where some first families to establish their private houses there feel entitled not to let others live among them! If you don't remember the same issues within Westlands and Parklands zoning suburbs where the Indians would not let Africans live among them back in 1980/90's, take that mentality back to class! Some of you won't complain how Kibera and Mukuru is congested, you care less about those poor ones but you can complain a freaking petrol station build next to an apartment! again make a move to Karen or Turkana, you're not planted there!

When you have lived your entire life in squalor, unfortunate to have not seen what a well planned living is, you get to have this reasoning. Good planning can cater for all cadres of society. There is nothing wrong with someone who has earned a honest coin and can pay for space and cool ambience having it. Wivu ya nini?

​@@fly69jamual62 You assume I live in Nairobi, I don't and do not want to. It is dirty, unsafe, ill- planned and congested. While your arguments about Kibera and Mukuru are valid, it does not justify the continued lack of planning that is happening in Nairobi. Neighbourhoods must be zoned, every country that has developed to First World standards has followed this basic concept. You cannot just put up a bunch of unregulated apartments in areas that were not designated to have high-rise apartments. Today it's Kileleshwa, tomorrow it will be the Nairobi National Park. Rules have to be established. It's too late to save Nairobi, but perhaps the solution going forward is to improve devolution so that people can live elsewhere.

@@duncan.odhiambo.77 Dude there is no wivu here, don't think you got a coin and earned it in a decent way! Nairobi is huge, it has over 5M population, if those 5M can have a space to live, you still can take your earned honest coin there and stop making noises! Stop that medieval thought, Nairobi no longer has 1M, we're taking over almost 6M....Come to America and see people living in the deep city square surrounded by tallest buildings over 50 floors all over the place....relax the population is not even high, 25yrs down the line you will go insane with your decent earned coins LOL