Why Libya Remains Divided? 

You may want to consider renaming the video either ‘Why Does Libya Remain Divided?’ or ‘Why Libya Remains Divided’; the current title ‘Why Libya Remains Divided?’ isn’t grammatically correct. While I normally don’t fuss about such things (and I suspect English isn’t your first language, goodness knows I’m far worse in my second language), the title may cause native English speakers like myself to subconsciously skip over the video because they may associate incorrect grammar with poor analysis or content churns! I know _I_ was initially hesitant to check out your channel (RU-vid recommended me your Russian economy video) for fear that you were another RealLifeLore geopolitics-adjacent-tube wannabe, there’s a lot of channels in this space and I think the little touches do help! btw, I have been impressed with your animations and maps; your explanations are generally quite clear and the visuals do help :)

North Korea's first nuke was in 2006... so don't really know how Gadaffi's death impacted that.

@@Tmb1112 Gaddafi gave up his Nuclear Program in 2003, but was subsequently overthrown thanks to a western backed intervention. The North Koreans saw this and realized that giving up their Nuclear capabilities would meet the same end, same goes for Iran. I believe it was John Bolton who said in 2017 that the 'Libyan Model' of disarmament would work well for Pyongyang.

​@@SogaardReedWriterI've heard this claimed a lot. But I'm not sure how having a nuke would have prevented his death. Is the claim that NATO wouldn't have overthrown him for fear of it falling into other hands? That seems pretty straightforward to counter. Is the claim that he would have used the bomb on his own people?

@@scoobydoobers23 A nuclear weapon is by definition a deterrence, Gaddafi could have nuked France if he was invaded, this is large part why NATO hasn't directly intervened in Ukraine, or risk nuclear exchange with Russia.

​@@SogaardReedWriterGaddafi should have kept his armaments and even invested in submarines as well as ships that could stop an intervention. Even a stealth bomber would have prevented the looting and the current African diaspora that is happening right now...

Thanks to the supposed defender democracy, the United States this happened

Rich history lmao was invented in 1888 farthest back

@@sidp5381 lmao did you even watch this video? US had nothing to do with it. It was Russia, UAE, and Turkey, funding a proxy conflict, that cause Libya to fall apart. Plus boneheaded power plays from Libyan warlords.

​​​@@sidp5381while I'm sure Washington didn't miss Gaddafi one bit, I'll be very clear - Gaddafi has made an enemy out of everyone. His neighbors, all the major world powers, and also his own people. I'm not denying how Libya under Gaddafi was moderately prosperous. I'm here to make a case that Gaddafi lived as a man who wholly bought into the idea of his own greatness, lived in excess in how he conducted his politics at home and abroad, and that delusion of grandeur is what killed him. Libyans had enough of political repression and sham democracy, and nobody overseas would miss Gaddafi if he were to die. And thus Gaddafi died like a manged mongrel. I'm not saying it was rightful for him to die from a lynching - anything but. He should've had a free and fair tribunal. I'm just describing history as it happened, and how Gaddafi engineered his own grand life and downfall. Gaddafi's foremost priority in life isn't the prosperity of Libyans. It was to fulfill his self image of omnipotence. What investments he made for Libyans, are incomparable to the luxuries he afforded for himself, and the resources he invested in his many global crusades. War against Chad, against the UK, against Israel, and more fundamentally, against established International Rule of Law. Gaddafi wanted to reshape the world to his image, and that hubris killed him.

​@@sidp5381Gaddafi himself carries the most blame here. If he wasn't such a greedy dictator and actually put his citizens interest over his personal, he wouldn't be killed by his own people. He also totally fucked up foreign relations by acting irrational and alienating a lot of powerful countries.

The west cannot be relied upon even by more or less democratic leaders in Latam, whom they come to bite every once in a while when things start risking working out. For leaders not aligned with their "values" it's even harder.

Russia is a joke army nowadays, much different story

@@dpelpal Russia may be a joke but they're at least consistent vs the West whose 180 on Gaddaffi made them seem like total Schizos to the ME.

Bring back Gaddafi.

Thank you for your perspective. I think Libya was also the moment when America lost faith in “the West”-i.e. that our alignment with the old NATO powers was anything more than a burden or charity case. Obama felt suckered in by Sarkozy and Cameron to “lead from behind” in an intervention against a dictator in their neighborhood, only to discover the French and British militaries couldn’t sustain a limited bombing campaign for more than a few days without massive American resupply. This led directly to his rejecting involvement in Syria or Ukraine. I.e., if Putin wants to lord over these basket cases, fine; America can pivot to the far more lucrative and dynamic waters of East Asia. Trump basically took the same line, in a different register. While Iraq was the original sin, I think it’s Europe’s utter weakness and incoherence-not to mention economic stagnation-that’s entrenched instability across the Arab world and beyond. At the end of the Cold War, 🇬🇧🇫🇷🇩🇪🇮🇹 were all serious military powers who could provide an alternative, semi-independent pole of Western leadership. Now, as confirmed by the Biden era, they are helpless vassals who need to toe Washington’s line (e.g. on China) if they expect any further protection.

Libya and the Maghreb are parts of the middle east

It's the proof that we Italians are not considered allies by the other members of NATO. Reason why we should leave the alliance. We not only have important interests in Libya, Libya was one of our former colonies and we wanted that Libya could grow economically in order to become a good partner to us. But Europe and America destroyed everything. It was a mortal hit to Libya and a spit on our face for us Italians. And now that there's no more Gheddafi, we have also to welcome and hold all the migrants that are coming from Africa because France and UK don't want them. NATO is not anymore useful to us Italians. I'll vote to leave it.

Trouble USD?!

Maybe Germany just didn't want a useless war for neocolonial profiteering in their periphery.

@@mayer14474 yes. The US Congress have already rised again the debt threshold in order to not declare failure. Bankrupcy.

@@mayer14474 - The US dollar (backed by Saudi oil since 1973) doesn't like competing divisas, as much of US power lays on financial hegemony and manipulation, and that's why the USA is obsessed with controlling oil (to force its purchase in US conditions and especially in USD) and is by extension also very dedicated to delay the green energy transition.

There is never a single “why.” There are dozens of competing factors that push actions and alliances. The issue you cite would just add weight to one side of the scales.

yes, France was the biggest lobbyist for the downfall of Gaddafi for this exact reason, for all the "liberte egalite fraternite" slogan the french government likes to publicly push, they are still a colonial nation with colonial interest in the western/ central Africa region.

The 'they want the oil' theory is one of the most common heard theories when trying to explain conflicts. But oil isn't that important a resource. There is plenty of oil all around the world. Literally every continent (except Antarctica) has oil, it's not a scarce resource, and oil is readily available on the global market at the daily market price. There is as little reason to wage war over oil as there is to wage war over iron ore. People said the Gulf War, the Iraq War and The Syrian War were all about oil, but nobody ended up taking the oil, or even attempted to take the oil. Whether it's the US, or Russia, or China, or the EU, everybody is quite happy to just buy oil from whoever is willing to sell it.

@@pjacobsen1000 Exactly. Iraq and Afghanistan cost the U.S., which now produces most of its own energy, quite literally 14+ trillion dollars. No amount of favorable oil access is going to make up for that.

@@belisarius9515 The French certainly don’t GAF about Ukraine. They’re giving the bare minimum, constantly calculating what’s just enough to keep from getting criticized internationally. But by comparison, Belgium makes France look like the UK, US & Poland combined when it comes to giving. They’re an utter disgrace.

We Italians support the democratically elected President, backed by the United Nations. France supports the general on the other side, backed by America. There's literally nothing in common.

@@danielefabbro822 I meant wright that. France wants to limit Turkey's claims in the Mediterranean sea and supports Greece's claims for waters, so the general is their guy.

@@Dangur2 we have also saved the vast majority of the refugees that have escaped from the war and again also the migrants. All welcomed in Italy. With water, food, a roof over their heads, a warm bed and the chance to start anew here. While France, UK and America have done nothing, they even closed their borders. They first bombs harmless people than they refuse to help. I feel ashamed by having them as "allies".

@@Dangur2 French casually supports a war lord with RUSSIA. NATO sees none of it. great.

​@@danielefabbro822your democracy is a scam and is American puppetism😂 your current pm was labeled as threat to democracy because she wasn't chosen by usa😂

Slava Ukraine from a Libyan

Yeah I thought the same thing. I found this channel in the opening days in the Ukraine war and immediately knew by the accent he was from Poland lol.

f... ukraine from a libyan@@dpelpal

@@dpelpal I wish the best for your country and people!

@@Metalhead_69 How come ukrainian people began evacuation of Kharkiv and Odessa? I've noticed rumors of Russia's winter offensive happening this winter.

lol. Gandaffi was behind some many terrorist act. If you want peace in your country, stop terrorizing other countries and stop blaming all Arab problem to America and Europe.

Absolutely yes 💯

I want that too. But how?

The situation is much better than before The army, led by Haftar, will launch a lightning operation and take control of the entire Libyan territory​@@LIGHTandPEACE

​@@Mohammed96MHey Haftar, what do you say? This is a terrorist and he fought all the parties in Benghazi that were not supported by anyone. He secured its people and led it into a war that lasted four years. Many innocent people died there and from the groups that had previously been revolutionaries on 2/17 that were oppressed. He accused them of murder and terrorism charges that were completely false. Evidence, but she always denies the charges, and yet he fought her to control her and the rest of Libya by force. In the past, he was a prisoner in Chad, and then America took him and he defected to Gaddafi. Also, he will not be able to control Libya because he already tried in 2019, but he failed, lost, and left, and he will not be able to control Tripoli because even Its people have bombed it and bombed the innocents, so how do you want them to accept it? No one will forget his crimes against the Libyan people, so how do you want him to be its president?

@@VolmerHamden You are either a terrorist or an agent... We all know that after 2011, people came to Libya and the East, specifically in Benghazi, Derna, and Ajdabiya, and they killed and bombed, and when the Caliph started the war, they slaughtered and carried out suicide bombers, and we all know this.

@@VolmerHamden Khalifa Haftar, the next president of Libya, with American, Russian, Emirati, and even Turkish support. Khalifa Haftar now has many allies in the western region...just remember my words.😉

tama ka jan...

Great again??? 😂 when was the last time there was anything great about Libya? It’s always been a bloody mess

@@JSWahrani ahh.. You might be wondering.. When was that?... Helinic period, Greek and Romans.. Up until 15th-19th Centuries.. 4th largest Country in Africa and Arab World. One the largest oil reserve. Then Civil War broke out in 2011, then Change alot of landscape in Libya.. Khadafi was kicked out, bitten to death by his Countrymen.

@@JSWahraniyou mean when it had universal healthcare, college, housing, and nobody starved under gaddafi?

​@@karloyu3484 turkey has no say in libya egypt os its neigbouring country specially whe turkey is ruled by british made cult the muslim brotherhood.

Like in america divide the country and it is weaked.He was to much of an independent thinker .England hated him for his support of the IRA,america and israel hated him because he was too much of a wild card in middle eastern politics that could have threated israel

I think it’s more like extremist jihadest and militias who are backed by usa, turkey and uk fighting the national army over the capital

This video is western biasness. Just know that there is no Libya after Gaddafi

you are geting old my friend like i :).

Sadly it was quite biased, for example no mention of how easily ''humanist'' and ''democratic'' west justifies supporting warlords, dictators, kings or princes if their interests demand it! Tobruk government was killing and destroying Libyan people elected government for years with foreign support like Sudanese, Egyptian and Russian mercenaries and weapons. And no western country did a damn thing to stop it, some of them were even openly supporting warlord haftar like France even if Russia also has been supporting Tobruk. Then when Turkey finally intervened and saved a democratically elected government, also finally enforcing a ceasefire after years of fighting suddenly it became ''a huge problem'' and some western countries even tried to block Turkish support to UN recognized GNA government like what the actual fuck?! If French and German navy didn't back down Turkish frigates were literally open fire on them especially in the case of German piracy, they had no right to stop a Turkish ship in international waters and search it illegally. Some might claim it is too aggressive but Turkey has every right to target pirates regardless what flag they are flying.. It is just a ridiculous joke that Turkey needs Libya to back it's claims in Mediterranean, it is not at all. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS and it is not binding between Greece and Turkey while UNCLOS wasn't the only UN sea laws convention rather there were more of them before which were signed by both Turkey and Greece. So those previous conventions are binding and Turkey can literally ignore all Greek islands even in Aegean not just Mediterranean 100% according to international laws while only has to leave 12 nmiles EEZ for the islands. Also there is absolutely NOTHING found yet in the disputed area so claiming it was for ''billions of dollars'' is just nothing but another laughable claim! Turkey can not and will not allow Greece to use tiny islands that you need magnifying glass to see on a map and with only few hundred population to reduce EEZ of 80 million people regardless there are resources or not. It is also exactly same in the entire world, for example British islands next to France have both reduced territorial waters and EEZ, French islands next to Canada have reduced EEZ, Finnish islands next to Sweden have both reduced waters and EEZ, Spanish islands next to Morocco have both reduced waters and EEZ. But only God knows how exactly Greek islands next to Turkey must have full 12 miles territorial waters and full 200 nmiles EEZ, right?! They will need a war and also a victory to achive it for sure. The fighting in Libya didn't stop because GNA forces couldn't defeat haftar forces, again completely false information. It stopped because russkies sent two squadrons into Libya, actual fucking russian air force! It created a dilemma for GNA side as they had no air force to speak off and Turkey could send some F-16s to Libya but Libyan bases were in terrible shape and Libya is too far away for air refueling operations. Those russian squadrons could not target Turkish forces but they could shoot down Turkish drones and freely bomb GNA forces while russkies could also send more of them. It is often overlooked in the west for obvious reasons but Turkish backed GNA killed HUNDREDS of wagner mercenaries in Libya and they were willing to further increase their presence. So instead of escalating the war sides signed a ceasefire agreement under Turkish and russky supervision..

This is basically a pro-US, pro-Nato channel. You can't expect to come to a vegetarian buffet and find meat.

Look at his Ukraine war coverage. Clear Western bias

Such as what?

@@horstnietzsche1923 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LxdXqAkgOVs.htmlsi=Ez_xk5r3SHctBPKP

@@horstnietzsche1923 Such as Qatar through Al Jazeera the U.S and the French engineering and conspiring to organize the fall of Gaddafi and redistribution of the control of oil production between French and U.S companies in post war Libya. The supplying , funding (thus practically the creation) of and intelligence sharing to the so called "rebels" and supporting directly with airstrikes on military and government targets. This was all revealed by the leaked "Clinton emails". Why or how people that take interest in geopolics do not know this is beyond me. Wilful ignorance seems like the only option.

Forgotten? Not by anyone who pays even the slightest attention to geopolitics.

@@The_ZeroLine such a professional lol

@@OktaviusBiedermann I’m super cereal!

He is also a CIA backed individual...who often switched sides with whatever power provided assistance...

i never liked him anyway but its not up to me @@dannylo5875

Are you form Libya

You mean they helped the western militias to become there puppets

Haftar was very close to invading Tripoli, which likely would have ended the war. Turkey showed up at the last minute and effectively caused this war to continue. Anarchy isn't salvation.

@@skipperson4077 So Libya should've just let the whole country get overrun by foreign agents and become another corrupt colony because wAr iS bAD, mmMkaYY?? Your argument doesn't make any sense. By your logic, all countries should never resist any military action happening upon them because "there will be killing". lol

Or become the strongmen themselves...

​@@theotherohlourdespadua1131well duh of course they are the strongman they are litterally monarch

Italy will tell you otherwise

I think haftar is the best option for libya better than extremist jihadest and militias at least

And they are still doing it in Syria and Iraq and Ukraine

I think it was succeful the Libyan terrorist attacks have stopped.

@@baha3alshamari152Ukraine at least has an Endgame, they join European Union and NATO.

​@@thegoodpimpsthey'll never join NATO unless they succeed in kicking Russia out of their territory and make an agreement with them to stop the war. We all know if Ukraine joins NATO it will cause more conflict since all Europeans will have to forcefully put boots on the ground.

yeah , it was even bigger than turkey's (seen as one of the best islamic nation) gdp per capita. human development index was also higher. europeans believe they are always right and democracy will fix everything while nearly everywhere they intervened became a shithole

USA didn’t partially like Muammar Gaddafi, but he sowed the seeds of his destruction over decades. No reason Libya couldn’t have been strong country, but by destroying all other institutions in the country that provide cohesion in society, it hollowed out the country. PS - As usual, western powers were clueless about thinking what comes next.

did you even listen to the video? I fail to see what 'The USA' gains from this anarchy, much easier to control one leader than many armed factions and Quaddafi was already working with the west. Simplistic and probably politicized answer for a very complex situation.

Bro shut up and go make me some kebabs

Average turk who thinks he is better than everyone else.

poor characterization. Only Vietnam was bombed heavily with most of the bombs being used in tactical situations in South Vietnam, the US ally. Despite that Vietnam recovered rather quickly. Afik, Western intervention in Libya was air cover to prevent Quadaffi from using his air force from bombing the Libyan people as per the UN. A large number of countries that took Chinese loans are in arrears, a problem for them and now a problem for China.

the imf is not any better@@skipperson4077

He had a lot of problems, but he was one of the best leaders Africa has ever seen and he was done so dirty.

In what way does egypt support gaza? Everything I hear is about how egypt has closed their border to the gazans & want nothing to do with the situation.

Which ZOG Capitalist destroyed ("war torn") country stands on its own today? I bet not a single one.

Get involved in meddling with foreign powers to continue the war for their own benefit?

12 years of constant war but people like this guy act like it's not so bad because Obama was the president at the time.

Like Iraq!

⁠@@RenéSaussyIronically Iraq was one of the few countries today that the US pumped money into and kinda saved it from economic turmoil from Baathist mismanagement of the economy

And the Moro National Liberation Front and Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines for 40 years...

Why Libyans hated Gaddafi?

@@ghostdiaries369 Libyan people are mostly left wing and Gaddafi was an extremist right wing so whoever talks about being a left wing and says a bad thing about Gaddafi gets excuted in public to terror the others Libyans never show hate to Gaddafi till the year of 2011 Libyans successfully gathered secretly ,planed to over throw Gaddafi in 2011/2/17 So as a said Gaddafi was a right wing that means left wings gonna usually hate his government And the west (left wing superpowers) found it a god opportunity to over throw Gaddafi since his own people are turning against him .

France , greece , egypt , uae , saudi arabia , jordan and russia support marshal haftar

@@Llo01 im from الزاوية in In the west and I don’t support him in fact I’m one of those who will probably end up fighting him

Egypt especially they'll exploit the oil for everything to help stabilise the nation

It's not only the European powers. All countries work this way - otherwise, they would cease to exist.

It was Iran not Syria

In this case it is mostly the west's fault though, not only the US but also France, and their regional puppets in control of the Arab League

Yeah, it's mostly just people who have a particular worldview of "West=bad" who spew stuff like that without ever doing the work of digging into the details of these conflicts and seeing that in fact, not everything can be boiled down to "Western intervention" and that there are often multiple stakeholders, domestic and international supporting different sides and pushing their thumbs on the scales of conflicts

Same people who blame the British

How about “stupid semi-dictator”?

There’s no rank after field marshal in libya

❤

That’s true

He was drippy tho

@@mpbomber1491 Cap, seen Xi where better drip

Didn't deserve to be murdered, have his country dismantled and then completely abandoned by the west to institute a migrant crisis. Libya's current state is a failure of the west, not gadafi.

He's a Tito wannabe, and he failed spectacularly. Just a loony sitting on unspeakable amounts of mineral wealth, giving Libyans enough morsels to distract them for a few decades. Admittedly those morsels of natural resources was more than enough to significantly improve quality of life - but come on. Gaddafi was living like a God by comparison. He wasn't acting out of generosity for the Libyans. He was living a power trip and fulfilling his illusions of grandeur, bribing the people with the bare minimum of state functions and vanity projects until the last moments of his life. And since Libya was a cult of personality, the power vacuum imploded into whatever this is. At least Yugoslavia broke up and settled into national lines. Libya - there's no new idea to replace Gaddafi. I'm not here to discredit what positive impact Gaddafi had. What I'm here to argue is that the good that came with Gaddafi is incidental in its motivation, engineered to distract the Libyan public from his many eccentricities and crusades. A self proclaimed anti colonialist and anti Imperialist, who tried to colonized Chad's Aozou strip. A man with illusions of grandeur hell bent on destroying international rule of law and the West, and he wasn't beneath killing thousands of civilians overseas throughout that crusade. What ultimately killed Gaddafi is his complete failure at state craft and international diplomacy. His heavy hand at home couldn't stifle dissent any longer, and he had antagonized everyone of his neighbors and their regional superpowers, ensuring nobody would intervene to save his skin when the mob came after his head. Gaddafi was a man who lived and died by his delusions of grandeur.

@@prfwrx2497 Gaddafi would lavishly shower Libyan oil money onto foreign countries for inane reasons, like providing money to "Emperor Bokassa" to convert the CAR into an islamic nation. Wasteful shit like that. Terrible leader. It is good that he is gone, the real problem for Libya is that they became a playground for foreign countries to wage proxy wars, same for Yemen.

As libyan you are right, there’s no “government” in western libyan it’s ruled by militias and jihadist(isis)

Unfortunately no

Are you mocking us or check on us?

This video also forgot to mention that iran supports the western government and Saudi support marshal khalifa haftar, libya is part of iran vs saudiarabia cold war