Alright here we go..."boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap" Totally original and it's definitely not stolen from from Queens "rock you" song...I want 100% of the proceeds if we collab! Lol
I agree, I come from the Dilla era where we dig for obscure samples. We know how to dig for samples and research the artist and start to understand the musics. Like Dilla the more listen. The more you start to understand music and be able to play from ear and feeling Then again a lot of us who grew up in the 70’s with fathers and uncles that had recorded collections. I learned from Dj spinna ,jlive large professor. A lot of us so many obscure sample we trade records like comic books.
@@DJPain1 I hope you're not disagreeing but merley pointing out the reality of it. Because as you said, them using a sample of other people's work then wanting compensation for the beat should not even be legal tbh. Lol
I think the issue on a grander scale is just how parasitic the music production community is compared to 90% of other creative hobby communities. It’s unfortunate, but music production gigs are infinitely harder to score than, for example, 3D animation or even video editing. As a result, really scummy scams like this are way more abundant. There’s also the “old head vs new head” civil war bs in the community because 14 year olds with access to Bandlab on their school issued Google chromebooks have the ego to convince themselves they know better than their teachers.
as someone who is on the younger side of the scene and industry, yeah most of my peers are either doing the work and making most everything from scratch or stealing samples and claiming they're working with the best. it's really toxic and annoying especially with how rude they are. though we're not all bad it feels like the art community as a whole is more focused on milking each other for money rather than sharing the craft
There is definitely a line that has been crossed. Don't be lazy. If someone wants to be in the music business, then first learn music. Then you can be creative. We are all influenced by someone....but ther is a huge difference in being influenced or inspired by a piece of work and just straight up stealing it.....
People get defensive when they believe you're spreading misinformation for "clout," or exaggerating statistics to push an agenda. "That doesn't happen" is the common response to a lot of different social issues in our world.
This needed to be said a million times over! I’ve bought too many loop packs from IG loopmakers who just repackage other peoples music and you don’t find out until you open the folder and listen to the files. It’s frustrating and backhanded. And it needs to be called out more!
I mean this with all sincerity, I'm not trying to talk down to you or anyone else or put anyone down. I'm genuinely am looking for understanding and an explanation. Help me understand the appeal of buying premade loops put together by other people. Not just premade, but specifically made for the purpose of helping people make beats? As someone who still digs for samples using vinyl, hits records stores, thrift shops and garage sales to find obscure sounds (not Michael Jackson and Prince) it just seems puzzling to me that people are willing to pay for the same premade sounds everyone else has access to. I make boom bap, lofi hip hop, and part of the fun is finding your own loops in songs or media that wasn't intended to be looped, or finding chops or just dope unique sounds you can use that everyone else doesn't have access to. I'm not saying it has to be done with just records, everyone doesn't have access to records, but you can use RU-vid, or even a blue ray, the TV..real life sounds... ANYTHING, that's the fun of sampling. It's turning those sounds and rhythms that weren't meant for hip hop, or house, or edm or whatever type of music you make.. turning those sounds into your own. I don't understand these loop packs, and I'm looking for someone to explain what I'm missing, how they are used and why they are a tool that shouldn't be overlooked. It just seems odd to me. Can someone explain how my view is misguided.
@@liquidmetalslime9 ok i will introduce you. a loop pack is basically the same like a old vinyl record collection. the only difference is that a loop pack is made from composers/producers FOR other producers. and thats it. some a free for non profit some come with a little price. its about collabing on songs together. its a way to get exposure. bigger producers looking up loop packs of unkown talented composer to work with them. its inspiration. this is nothing new basiacally its just a way of collaborating and its a way to make easy songs. back then you had to clear the old samples which was super expensive and with a lot stress. with these "new" sample packs its way easyier to handle this instead of digging for HOURS, you just look up one of your favorite sample makers and buy one of the loop packs from them... no chopping, no arranging, no stress with the clearing. the world of sample packs is still pretty new and there is a ton of packs and very talented people out there and its worth to dig into this world, trust me. one of the first sample makers are frank dukes. he had this idea to put out his own packs of samples into the internet. look him up
@@liquidmetalslime9 @Liquid Metal Slime#9 It takes way less time to throw a beat together using samples when you have immediate access to the bpm and key, and without having to think about what effects to use, what parts to sample and so on. It seems to me as well that lots of ppl in the online rap producer game like to chase the most palatable and current sounds in this oversaturated fast-paced industry, so having a bunch of curated samples at your fingertips can really streamline that process. Someone who is trying to work with as many artists as possible to secure a placement and build a reputation out of an ocean of identical artists is solely focused on calculated output rather than a creative process. Just a side note, but man I didn’t know how fucked this was until I watched some video last year of this dude Taz Taylor from ‘Internet Money’ producing for Lil Yachty. All bro did was drag and drop a couple files and he basically had a whole lame ass beat ready like five minutes after he arrived lmao. The guy has assembled a whole squad of henchmen to make beats while he smokes and pretends, he’s Rick Rubin. I’m going to take somewhat of a shot in the dark here, but from what I’ve seen/heard, it seems like loop packs primarily serve a younger generation in contemporary hip hop that has inflated exponentially through the ease of access and entry that the internet provides to everyone regardless of musical ability/passion or lack thereof. Lots of ppl nowadays have this overwhelming desire to pursue fame and wealth through the easiest/quickest avenues possible and hip hop being one of the most popular and accessible genres attracts a shit ton of folks who just want to grind and maybe get rich in the process. I think that the loop pack industry has sprouted from the crazy demand for quick results in songwriting and production to try and keep up with the manic social media/music industry landscape where it can be incredibly difficult for artists nowadays, (especially generic ones) to grow if they’re not releasing new stuff constantly and spamming the algorithms and methods. imo
I 100% agree and it's difficult for composers that create music to get sampled + discovered because of this issue. Making compositions take so much time, countless hours of music theory, and sleepless nights. Still love the whole process of recording with different gear and effects. Good things take time.
Imma use this video the next time someone sends me a sample pack with samples that aren’t theirs, or better yet when the court case happens and they still don’t get it lol thank you again Pain for helping & educating the producer community 🙏🏾
If a producer makes a sample pack, can't they just sell them on CD? Or find an artist to make a beat for? What kind of beatmaker buys another diggers' finds? Haven't they learned anything from the 80s/90s? Or do they even care?
@@MattCupan well there are diggers who sell to producers, but they both know exactly what the situation is, one party isn’t claiming ownership of the samples
I just watched a video called "Beware of Stolen Sound Effects Packs." It appears that filmmakers are also being scammed by fake "royalty-free" libraries. One of the sellers named in the video replied that the stolen sounds were compiled by a sub-contractor, and apologized.
You are SO right. I loved this video. I see SO many people giving away these sample packs for royaltie splits. Once i actually made a sick beat using a nice sample, i never uploaded it purely out of respect for the owners of the song.
That's why I buy all my packs from Cymatics, if I get a placement I'm cool. I know not to re-package their samples for my own monetary gain. Great insight DJ Pain and thanks for proving what's really happening.
Thank you for keeping it real and sharing your experience. People be killing them damn loops acting like they really created something. It takes a good ear to throw effects on something but yo it's almost like stealing. The artist might as well be looping up the lyrics too.
The overcrowding of music in general has brought out idiots in all sectors of music, especially those they think they can enter easily. Where ever somebody can scam and attempt to come up fast they will..
There is really no excuse for not crate digging today. It has literally never been any easier. All you need is a computer. You don’t need a turntable and a sampler. You don’t need to go anywhere to get “crates” to dig in. You can literally go searching for works to sample from bed. In fact, it is even easier. With technology today you can also isolate the specific instruments you want FAR easier then ever before
@@BrandonAdams1010 I don't think the issue is clearing samples. You get around to that when the label feels like they can put money into you and if it's enough to clear one or two samples or whatever, then you cross that bridge when you get to it. I think the issue that DJ Pain 1 is talking about is claiming that the sample is your own and trying to make money off of that. If you're gonna sample something, just know ahead of time what you're getting into before doing so.
The Marco Polo Pad Thai sample packs have uncleared samples from KPM library records among other things. Those KPM library records are essentially sample packs to begin with. Literally unedited sfx from the KPM Communications library record to be exact. I could point out a bunch of others too.
KPM samples is an interesting one, as originally owning the records gave you the licence to use them however you saw fit, I think? Ah, except for of course recording and reselling them on to someone else, standard sample library terms and conditions, really...
This is a mess. People with no talent will do anything to make it out here. Then they want to tear down people who do this for a living. I feel for you. I make beats but am more of a songwriter, which is another area where people with no talent litter, repeating other people’s lyrics. There is no end in sight.
It's hard to trust nowdays, there's a lot of people making Instagram accounts with a good amount of followers, (probably they are buying followers) a couple photos of a random people with some famous producers, pretending to be those people and charge you for collabs, "guaranteed placements'' all that bulsh%t 🤮
facts big homie! shits sad these days and they all feed into it so heavy the second you have your opinion you the "hater" or "you played out" smh keep doing you g
To me sound design seems like an integral part of the creative side of music production. That's not to say you have to do it from scratch; I love synth patching but most of the sounds I make are built from extremely fucked up default daw stuff, like sampled instruments or drums. Sample packs and stuff can be really cool and it's exciting to play a few of the sounds and imagine the possibilities, but very quickly it just feels like slotting puzzle pieces together into some predefined track rather than actually making something of your own. I feel like sampling is about either brutally fucking with the sound in question to make something new, or it's carefully refining and perfecting something in a kind of reverent way, then building something that adds to it around it. Either way it's meant to be creative yk. My favorite thing is taking a sound that sounds like garbage and making something cool out of it; it's so boring using sounds that already sound perfect for something.
I agree, I used melody loops from splice to learn how to use my daw (logic pro X) but quickly I realized how that lacked creativity. Now I mostly find tracks to sample on my own and try make something original out of it. But even that’s getting old now, so now I’m taking piano lessons.
No cap you 100% correct on this. A lot of these loop makers claim they make their “own” loops but they use splices loops 😂 Southside exposed yall who hire musicians and record them and send them off as loops smh. Stop trying to finesse the game. Producers pay attention and do yo research before getting involved. Make them loopmakers send you the stems 🎯💎 💯
Since following your page, i've only been enlightened on the industry and have learnt an immense amount of knowledge that i apply to my own production. Thank you for the content that you put out.
Thank you SO MUCH for shedding light on this mess that these people are doing! When I purchase loops the guidelines CLEARLY state that you cannot repackage the loops or samples and try to sell it as your own. Some people really just don’t give a f-ck!
This is part of why I stopped making beats. Cause I LOVE digging for samples and finding something cool, flipping it into something dope, and sharing it with the homies. I used to go on old sites that would post bootleg foreign records in all sorts of languages and find lit shit. But the way things have changed, it's really got me feeling bad for how people go about their business. Nobody makes stuff anymore. Like, one of my favorite things to do in the world is chop up old drum breaks from vinyl, layer and process hits together, and make my own drums. It's a huge part of my artistry and I've been doing it since I was a sophomore in high school. I don't know ANYONE who makes their own drums like that. They all download sample packs, or use preloaded stuff. To me, that is a huge part of your sound. Back before my time, that was the only way to do it. Now, none of the kids coming up do it like that. They all use the same 808s and drum hits and percussion and wonder why their drums don't pop like other people's do. Yes it's a lot more work to do it the old way. But you do it enough and you'll build a library that'll go a long way. People just want to take the easy way out instead of perfecting a craft
Respect! Don't lose hope, I do the same thing. Been doing it since I started. In addition, now I get real drum hits from real drum kits. The game is still alive and I'm teaching it to the next generation too!
@@michaelcalderon6693 Jake One is awesome! He's made some incredible stuff. Even though his most well known work will probably be the John Cena song. But like, Rock co Kane flow is insane
I mean this respectfully, maybe in general you spend your time chopping up drum hits for samples while other people are already writing the beats they hear in their head. I understand your dedication to the craft, but some people just start writing with no knowledge. And make fire beats. It is what it is, music is like that in every genre.
Well said fam!. As a original crate digger I feel bad for the level of ignorance our game. You drop the truth. Long life is a success inits self. keep up the work fam.
i felt the metaphysical producer “community” room get real quiet when you busted out the Turbo clip lol 😅 . I love producing, but disgusted with the so called producer community, specifically on Twitter. Mostly a bunch of little dweebs, rolling on Vyvanse high off their 2022 Q3 $300 royalty check, making super bold and opinionated engagement subtweets, knowing they’re timid selves wouldn’t say a word to you in real life.
it is the worst b/c it impacts normal real people's perception of things. i miss gearsl*tz, where the pros could form complete sentences, and share the real sauce.
@@BrandonAdams1010 sad that the era of forums is no longer. reddit could never compare. seems like the whole internet has dissolved into a just few apps.
Just wanted to say thanks for speaking on these subjetcs (saw few others). I'm still improving my english and your videos are interesting and talked in a clear/understandable english. Have a nice day and hopefully we'll collab one day.
I been playing piano since I was 8 years old, and really enjoy making my own Melodies and samples; flip side of this is I don’t end up collabing enough with prods I fuck with and using their loops. This is yet another reason why I prefer making my own stuff, and being more than a point and click producer copy and pasting other peoples stuff
I’m actually someone who primarily uses loops and samples from Splice but tbh I WANT to make stuff from scratch, I just can’t figure it out. I need some hands on exp. to help me improve it. But tbh I think it’s still an incredible tool to help people like myself to grow in the areas of creating original beats/songs - eventually I want to grow out of relying on them, but I’m sure it’ll be something I use no matter what level I progress to
i agree with you. I have been collecting samples since the late 90s/early 2000s and an extreme data hoarder. back then people would synthesize new drums or mangle chopped breaks beyond recognition. create their own patches. I have a huge skepticism of a lot of audio sample packs these days as recycled drum machine samples with some processing. I do have a lot of respect for the riddim/bass/dubstep community that focuses more on Vital/Serum patches that includes useful macro knobs etc. there is a lot of value in that. But audio loops/samples is recycled/stolen shit from other packs half the time. EDIT: and another problem is i notice people will take a synth patch someone else made(sometimes even a default preset), and then bounce audio of it and include that in an audio sample pack. i dont need that
I am 100% behind you on your perception. I have embarked on the journey to teach newcomers to music licensing FAR TOO MANY TIMES to hear "Bro, I paid for the loops, I can license them." smh.... Another thing that makes me come off as a curmudgeon is when an artist gets at me to do some custom production, and then they ONLY WANNA LISTEN TO LOOPS AND SAMPLES. I love getting a chance to sit down at the keys, or pickup the strings, or even hop on the cello. But nah, keep sample hopping or they have better places to spend their money... Really wish more "MUSIC ARTISTS" had even an inclination of a hint of ambition to ACTUALLY create music. Much love to you, my man! Kudos on your success, much faith n' high expectations for it to only grow for you. p.s. Thank you for not feeding a line of BS like the MASS of self proclaimed "producers" on the web. again, much love
also, sampling real vinyl is the funnest shit I have ever done..... (sidenote, I have a ton of BB King TYPE samples and a bunch of oldies, that I made, 100% I own 'em, I mean shit, I plugged the output of my turntable into my preamps, I even pressed record and started spinning the vinyl myself. 80/20 and out of your 20, i want 15% committed to marketing for the first 6 months, and, ANY placements are to credit me, as the 80% top chili fry maker in this opportunity for you) lol the parenthesis is all just sarcastic but fr, mf's be THAT KIND of outta pocket lolol that's why I stay focused on the music, hoping non-stop that someone rips the entitlement out of people like a soggy dread. lol digging your content my man, cant believe I never stumbled across you
I think a lot loopmakers/sample makers engage in that practice. I wont say names but I bought two packs from people who are well established and the samples were 70s style records that were re sampled and put in their packs as original compositions. The original records were sampled for high profile hip hop artists. The backlash is coming from people who engaged in that shit too.
Great video and very well explained. Been having conversations on this for a few years now with artists and their “productions”. I immediately Shazam a track to see if it comes up somewhere else.
there are genres that are based on sampling a disorting popular music but people who make those do not claim ownership of the samples use and honestly don't expect money from their work
@@JohnemonSilver I’m referring to one’s who have charged for the tracks they have presented as their own. In one case it was clearly lifted from another beatmaker. The singer had already put her vocals on it as a song and presented to me for release. Definitely not referring to creatives who manipulate loops for fun or enjoyment and post their work.
I produce my own music and record, and I never used music samples from anyone ... Always created my own stuff ... Listening to this is mind blowing, to know that there are people out there stealing music from established artists and then pitch up or down and sell it to producers for profit it's disgusting really
I've noticed this "old head vs new head" civil war stuff sprouting a lot in other genres as well. This is definitely a large problem that's permeating hobbies across the board. I'm not sure if this is bad parenting at work or lack of real-world social skills, or both.
well you shouldn't be using anything that calls itself a loop anyway. a loop _to me_ has always been nothing more than a simple melody. you want to use involved and layered pieces of actual music that call themselves samples. also not right to request your tag with the producers if making samples. sample/loop makers need to stop trying to be the stars, because they're not. samples makers are the supplier we keep silent and go after records not attention on some type beat. you working with bums dude.
@@selfishbeats yeah sample. Whatever. You are right. In nearly every "Free Sample pack" is required, that you write producer X SAMPLEMAKER or some shit. And I don't want that. Simply lern how to make Samples and you don't have to split ever again man.
I'm a performer and not necessarily a producer or loopmaker, but this shit is good looking out for people like me that don't know the legal side of using samples from anywhere else but splice. If i didn't buy, sing, or play the note myself i don't use it in my songs
Your absolutely right! I work in sync for tv and film and you absolutely cannot use samples at all. Too many records have caused issues that it’s basically banned unless the film company wants to get it cleared. In that case they contact the artists first, then have a dedicated producer sample it. I love working with samples, but I know they have their place, and unfortunately they don’t work in the domain I need to be in. I will use them only for social media purposes and even then, Only ones I get cleared or purchased but never splice or any services. It’s not worth it at least in my case.
Sometimes I get my loops from ADSR sounds if I'm running out of creative inspiration. And by the way, I only produce for two independent artists so I don't have to worry about major placements. I've sat and played my own shyt in MIDI and I'll tell you guys that it does not really make me a more unique/talented producer. It's how you flip loops and layer melodies and bass on top of them.
it's true. last year i bought a pack called ripless vol. 6 expecting it to be like drumbroker/rucker collective. but it was chopped, eq'ed and sped up youtube samples of 70's records.
@@saviwaves5337 stop enabling them and go to places like audioz and get it for free. they are just selling you stolen sounds. even drumbroker is not original
@@a.stockton4817 i bought it from Kxvi’s kit store so i assumed everything was original since alll of the other kits i bought were original. I only realized they weren’t when I found samples i had previously discovered on youtube years ago. I only got ripped off this 1 kit. the rest were fine. But the producer, Ripless included the same terms and conditions that DJ PAIN1 described in the video. He mentioned Kxvi as someone he trusts to send him loops. while Kxvi himself is a talented producer that makes original content, i don’t think he’s paying attention or cares about this kind of thing from his own kit store. That’s actually a problem when people are paying money for something they could’ve done themselves.
@@a.stockton4817 actually I just checked again, and it’s AURORA BEATS - MEMORIES VOL.1 from LOOPSTASH (Kxvi’s kit store) that’s the biggest offender of this. Ripless isn’t entirely clean, but he at includes original ideas along with chopped and sped up samples (mostly synth bass lines, but with some layers of keys and pads).
Even with RU-vid I bought a record player and go out to find records to sample, I know in this day and age “it’s doing to much” but there’s nothing like bringing that record home and finding some serious gems,
Don't worry about them, everyone who is long enough in the game knows who you are and what you do, most of these kids talk s*it just to get attention, I've dealt with a lot of them, I bet most of them would be scared to come face to face and talk like a real man LMAO. You are 100% right about the issue.
Yo Pain this is the result of the young kids in the game who don't respect the OGs of the game and they've never even done one hour's worth of homework on artist of the past. However you really can't blame them, they're trying to get paid & remember it's written in the Bible "NIV: 1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." There's this guy I grew up with who's only five years older than me who finally got out of prison after being in & out since 1975. His last two jobs was robbing two banks. I finally got to talk with him & I asked him Ninja why the fvck did you keep robbing banks. He simply said "Cause that's where the money is" I guess getting a job was out of the question huh.... -BiG Pluck
@@DJPain1 You know Pain you're so right. However I'd say we can blame that mostly on the advent of the Internet. Where before you learned from an OG of the game who would tell NO noooo nononono you can't do that. Because you'll be a rat, you'll be cast out. You'll get black balled, known as unoriginal or worst yet GET YO ASS KILLED! The Internet is just a tool. These kids today use it as such to find what they want and put their ideas together with no guidance whatsoever.
My sample library is filled to the brim with stuff and I don't know where it came from for the most part! I dont know what rights I have to use it honestly. Does this copyright stuff go all the way down to one shots or is it song samples/loops
@@DJPain1 Wow that's quite daunting too. Furthermore there's situations where stuff like breaks/drum solos like Amen Brother (Winstons) etc are used so much even though you technically commit plagiarism, Though the drummer and singer have died, someone still owns the copyright (The label most likely?), But NOBODY ever really clears them for commercial release. It's this grey area where you don't really need to worry about it and if groups like N.W.A are okay to use it uncleared I'm sure we'll all be fine! And if you're on the radar for this then you're already one of the most famous people out there and have made a ridiculous amount of money anyways. People have treated it as public domain for so long and it doesn't seem like there has been any law pursuits for plagiarism and if you're using it in a fairly complex way you've probably been transformative enough with it for it to be considered fair use. Sample clearance is weird, man! Be careful out there. This is a long shot but if you have any samples that you could hand-me-down, I'd be really pleased!
man cant agree more. these producer r doin dirty job fr like NFT artist community. thats why i always making my own shit 100% no loops from other, bc i dont know if they really making their own shit or just stealing from another producer n shit, who knows.
11:45 this is crazy right there how they can take mainstream song copywrited by big label and say that they have Rights 100%? OMG i have no questions 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
When I saw those soul sample packs for the first time I was like "how do you even sell those, they are just loops from songs" then I thought ok, you probably can sell the pack to producers because you spent time on digging for those and chopping them up. But demanding to clear the songs with you is just next level stupid indeed. Worst of all is that A LOT of people in the comments are like "wow, those samples are fire, are they royalty free?"
The worst part is that in the information, it literally tells producers "you can use these 100%" They are basically selling them a stolen car that they repainted but didn't change out the license plates on. When these people get pulled over, who are they gonna blame? Assholes.
Yeah, if I don't recognize the samples, I would trust that the vendor somehow magically conjured this basket of authentic soul clips. Well, I _might_ know better because I know how some wannabe crate diggers think the rest of us don't have working ears and musical memories from before _they_ were born.
The problem is all the 14 years old kids don’t have the patience to work on their musical skills they just watch a tutorial and make the same beat again and really no one knows music theory and they call themselves musicians 😂😂😂
maaaan the dude who sent the sped up mj and all that must be 12 year olds or something. No way a grown man thought that was normal to do. same with the ebonys smh this is wild. great vid
I've been playing instruments for a good portion of my life, so honestly, regardless of my status as a music maker, I wouldn't work with loop makers at all, unless they are apart of my team... Not saying that their work isn't great, on the contrary, I can just make it myself.
Hey Pain, personally I fcxx with you brotha. I'm sure you recognize that on your level you've built up a high amount of haterz. Haterz are getting more & more creative to drive you out the game. Just do what I used to do as a beginning Bass Player. When other upcoming bassist used to rag on my skillz I just kept quiet, honed my skillz and the next time we all got together I'd shine on their Azz! I love the way you handled this situation. Expose their Azz for what they are! -BiG Pluck
I just experienced this the other night looking for a beat to write to. Came across a beat that literally was posted by like 5-6 different accounts all the same exact beat with alot of views to find out only 1 of them was the legit producer. 4-5 of the others look "poppin" claiming they made some one else's beat. It's sad af!
As somebody who started making beats in 1994 with samplers and records, and even tape loops before that, I can say that this is a hard question all around. I can see all of the points you made in this video, and being dishonest about having made music that you didn't make is despicable, but how things work legally, and how things ought to be, are not the same thing. Nobody should have to do a part of a money-making process w/o being compensated. But that being said, Hip-Hop has been vaguely criminal since it started. You can't spray paint people's buildings. You can't just put up a p.a. sound system outside and start having a party. And you can't sample other people's music and put it out as your own. These are true statements. But if they were always true, we wouldn't have Hip-Hop. Look at the credits of an album produced by Eric Sermon, RZA, Kanye, Premo, or Pete Rock. You will see some samples declared. But, you know there were a ton of smaller, hopefully unrecognizable, samples that they 'rolled the dice' on. People used to make tapes that had snippets of songs from their collections ("scratch tapes") and they would give, or sell, those tapes as samples to other dj's and producers. It was understood that those were all other people's music. But you still paid the person who made the tape for their time of making the tape, hunting down and buying the records, and saving you that time and effort in your production process. Those people making sound libraries are doing something and deserve something for helping you to find those samples, but do you as a producer have to clear samples through them? Hell no! And it is dangerous for them to not be forthright about the process bc you can get sued later or end up having to scrap something that can't get cleared later if you haven't got the proper permissions. There is nothing stopping you from listening to those sample libraries, getting some good ideas for artists to sample, or even getting a feel of what kind of sound you are looking for so you can re-create something similar. In this way those sample pack creators have helped you. I don't know how they should get paid. It shouldn't be as much as the artists who created the music you sampled gets, but the same way somebody may get a 'finder's fee' when they pass off an artist to a bigger label, or better manager, they should get something if you sell a beat based on a sample you only found through their efforts. I see them saying you have to give 50/50 publishing as being the same as a job with an application that says if you get hurt you agree not to sue the company for workers comp. It's just a way to get what you want out of people you hope are ignorant. Not 'cool', but it's nothing new to find that your ignorance will cost you!
I agree with you, sounds like a real problem, and an obvious one at that. But why do you care what random idiots tweet about you, when you know you're in the right? Don't even worry about that kind of thing.
im an artist and i produce myself and i ALSO use loops aside of producing all my melodies and chords. and i still agree with you. sometimes i think im paying this and im paying that, but this is a re-sample of a sample of a sample, that could have be owned by lots of people... and what then? so im in a controversial situation if i should use loops or not
Wow some folks really presume to just Ctrl+C Ctrl+V other sources' samples and whatever legal text from otherwise legit loopmakers. Somehow the internet has people convinced that success is merely a copy paste away. This isn't just a musician problem 😅 Also, thanks for highlighting potential pitfalls with using random free loops found on RU-vid.
I get what u mean. Some loopmakers just use MIDIs or samples from others and just pitch it or stretch it. Do I think that’s bad tho I’m not sure because music is music and everything can be unique as long as credit is given and it gets cleared ofc. But if loopmakers are just copying samples and then selling it to just earn and finess the beatmakers in the industry then I guess it is ruining beatmaking. It’s a shame because I just made a loop kit lol. PS some of those videos exposing people using Michael Jackson sample got me LMAO! Stay blessed everybody and watch out!
Wow! I use to have an account with a royalty free company who is taking original pieces from copyrighted artist, and manipulate the so called original sample, and claiming it as their own is so damn crazy. DJ PAIN1 made it very clear.... YOU WILL GET GOT IF YOU CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT WHOLE! If you going to sample, just clear it with it's original owners, because at the end of the day, your productions will forever be tainted with out the proper acknowledgement from all originals involved! I MAKE MY OWN LOOPSAMPLES, BECAUSE I DONT HAVE TIME TO SUCK ON A LEAD PAINT WALL!😮
Great video. I don't sample myself, at least not lyrics or melodies, and after seeing this, I don't think I'd want to. I'll just stick to composing stuff myself.
