Shut up. Reincarnation has nothing to do with Naruto. Wtf is wrong with you. Just because Naruto had it doesn't mean something else is trying to be like Naruto for having it You bitches know what I mean by this so don't give me that "yOu aInT wAtChEd nArUtO" shit
I'd agree with you if the evidence for Buggy being a parallel of Oda himself wasn't so strong. I mean think about it, both are silly, perverted, and nonsensical, but both are also extremely skilled at planning events out decades ahead of time, and could kill any other character in the story with a flick of their wrist, 0 difficulty.
Well if he had a good writing consultant, it'd be the best, but oda isn't as skilled a writer we'd like to belive he is; He leaves so much holes. And inconsistencies that we like to ignore and just see all the good parts. One piece is good, but we have to make huge assumption of what he meant/tried to do with his story. When he usually fails to deliver in terms of story telling, by kicking the can down the road with the promise of the real pay off.
@@gilbertoflores7397 Wtf are you talking Bout? Maybe use evidence when writing a point. Mr I critique writing while having zero idea on how to write an argument.
Whiteboard said it best himslef. He is a relic of the old era. Literally and figuratively. He himself was old and dying. But at the same time the world doesn't need a new Whitebeard - a shepard of lost children at sea- because Luffy will free the seas. The cycle ends with Luffy he will rally everyone behind him and challenge the world to duel. That will end the grand pirate era making Whitebeards "spot" in history no longer a thing
That said. I could eventually see Katakuri becoming the Big Bro of his family after Big Mom's defeat. Changing the dynamic of the family and ACTUALLY creating a paradise for all races given that he HAS a motivation to do so. He was shamed for his appearance since he was a kid and his sister suffered for it. It would make sense for Katakuri's character to stay at Totland and make it the paradise it was always intended to be. And he has the maturity and the power to see that through. That's why he asked Luffy to come back and defeat his own mother. Because he wants Totland to become all it can be but it can't with BM in power and he knows he is not strong enough to do it himself. So. If. *IF* you want to draw parallels between the old a new eras. Katakuri is Big Mom. A better version of her that is. And even that is a sketchy parallel at best
"If you're looking for a marine enemy, why not one who killed his brother, scarred him for life, swore to hunt him down and who Luffy clearly has a grudge against." - Mr. Morj, 2019
luffy have stockholm syndrome so he won't kill akaino that is the problem ,i am sure oda will make luffy forgive him or act like nothing happend ,like he did with bellamy and i am sure he will be a good friend with doflamingo too
Dr sam Doflamingo is genuinely evil and Akainu killed his brother. Bellamy isn't half as bad as those two, he was just misguided and a bit of an asshole but he was never evil.
It's actually important that Luffy has differences from Roger. Shanks' role in the story seems to be finding someone like Roger, and ensuring he doesn't make the same mistakes. Shanks grew up watching Roger charge into battle against anyone who insulted his friends, and Shanks recognized that danger. He gave his arm so that Luffy would remember the importance of avoiding unnecessary battles. An important point of Marineford was that Ace inherited his father's refusal to back down, and died because of it. Shanks even points out how badly he wants Luffy to never make that mistake as he leaves Whitebeard's grave. Luffy may carry the same will as Roger, but their differences might end up making all the difference in the end.
I think that’s shown the best in impel down when jimbe helps luffy realize he shouldn’t confront Blackbeard. Having his friends guide him to not making the same mistakes that his brother did.
I know plenty of Alcoholic, Zoro's a light weight. A real alcoholic is down the Pub binge drinking for 3 days straight, can't even walk straight. Spends all their money on booze. Zoro spend hours trainning and weight lifting. Zoro's drinking does not interfere with his dream to be the Worlds greatest Sword fighter.
"It's somehow turned into this criticism of Oda as if he's failed to properly develop Smoker into the Garp role" man, I feel this. I hate the "Smoker is weak" arguments so much.
Smoker is pretty weak lol. He relies on his sea stone sword and even then someone like Law shit on him. Fucking law. The dude that seems to be a walking L and has to get saved by luffy
Aidan Green Never understood why people created this L idea and made it a thing to compare which character is better if anything characters who take Ls and still have the balls to fight anyways are true badasses and it’s more relatable and interesting for a character to struggle rather than not that’s why I found Zoro to be worse after the time skip even tho he looks badass by not taking damage and I’m talking pre wano of course
*Just think about this:* Kizaru could already see every island in the world and find One Piece because his fruit is a damn light BUT he decided weed is more important.
We can also refer to Inuarashi's words to Nami about the first and second journey of the pirate king and the Log Pose. Notice how the straw hats have been guided by people from Roger's crew. Of course Luffy gets the hat from Shanks but shortly after setting sail, he encounters Buggy. Then they meet Crocus, then Rayleigh, then Inuarashi and Nekomamushi. Each one of these characters have played a major role in changing the path of their journey to the One Piece.
I completely agree with you, but people like bloodlines as it creates a narrative rhythm which gives a direction where the story is going. I despise bloodlines especially as it becomes an excuse for growth not a tool to demonstrate development of the character for my biggest example is "Zoro is a descendant of Ryuma and/or from Wano" theory. People desire to force a parallel between Zoro and the Wano people so much that everyone already believe it's canon. This of course goes the same for Luffy but it's Shounen so we all kinda expected a powerful bloodline and him being a prophesied one.
This is one of the falsified parallels that physically cause me pain... plus the more information we get about Roger I'm starting to think he was just a swordsman and not a DF user. I've always wondered why Shanks is so opposed to DFs and I feel it's likely because the Roger Pirates had the same ideology. I don't yet have 100% evidence for that
@@dreamcastdazia4753 You know how Kishimoto made every ninja team have the same roles (genius, useless girl who likes the genius and hard-working dumbass), or how there are like 10 guys who are in every way except phisical exactly like Naruto? (his teacher from ep. 1, Jiraya, Minato, Konohamaru, Tsunade's brother, Obito, Hashirama, that one god whose name I forgot, the list goes on...)
Marco D. Toon Naruto=Parallel Obito Sasuke=Parallel Kakashi Sakura=Parallel Rin Kakashi would be Minato later in his life. Naruto and Sasuke=Hashirama And Madara= Indra and Ashura Narutos team Leader was the future Hokage like how his counterpart Obito leader was the Hokage.
Marco D. Toon Obito is literally what Naruto would be if he ever gave in to the pain he felt of losing ppl he loved. While Kakashi is what Sasuke would be if he always remained good and positive
I never thought about Luffy having a Garp... so when Morj was explaining the argument for having this I thought “oh that makes sense”. Then throughout the video, he convinced of what he was trying to unconvince me of despite convincing me otherwise at the start of the video 😅😅
@@PibbDFanta He thought the reasoning about why Luffy should actually have a Garp made sense.... until the following arguments proved it wrong and also made sense for him. LOL xD
Personally I feel like Koby isn’t meant to be part of Luffy’s league and is his rival but when One Piece ends, the celestial dragons influence and power is over, Koby will be the one of the great marine figure that will lead the world government and the new generation.
The world government won't survive. The revolutionary army is pretty much proven to be 100% right about everything and the void century seems very likely to have global genocide (committed by the world government)
@@batoubalou Nah, man, I'm usually more critical than this (especially for Ohara's stuff, from what I have seen the guy doesn't really back up his random speculation). But for this one it's just a point that's been annoying me for a long ass time now. So even just reading the title lets me know this is a video I will enjoy.
@@MrMorj I definately did. You quickly grew to be my favourite One Piece youtuber, man. I love how rather than speculating about superficial plot progression or character strength, you often take a step back and analyze the themes of the series, the overall narrative structure, and the arcs of the characters. Do you happen to have a background in literary criticism? Just wondering. Keep up the good work, anyway!
If We see the Past Roger team up With Garp both have D in their name. But Coby even he is Potrait as Garp Replacement in the future he still not fit to fill Garp Role in the past. I rather Choice Law to team up with Luffy to Fight the Final Boss.
Shenoemeh Lyngdoh sorry to burst your bubble, but Morj only said that Coby doesn’t share enough character traits with Garp to be a parallel. He never said anything disproving a teamup against BB.
Shenoemeh Lyngdoh so explain to me how luffy is gna defeat the man who has the strongest of each type of DF he’s gna get kaido a fruit next jus wait n watch Bb gna kill shanks shiryu will kill mihawk jus wait n watch and I’m calling it now shiryu sword ate the diamond fruit
Colby: I’m here to take you in! Luffy: HEEEEY COLBY nice to see you again! Colby: Luffy you’re under arrest! Luffy: Remember Albert! Colby: you mean Alveda? Luffy: Yea whatever happened to her? Colby: I arrested her. Luffy: oh good for you, nice catching up say hi to grandpa for me next time you see him. Colby: ok I will. See ya Colby: DAMNIT LUFFY YOURE UNDER ARREST!!!! Helmepo: Sire he got away again.
The only thing holding that theory is because it was stated during Luffy's battle with Lucci that "Gear 2nd takes a great toll on the users body, shortening the lifespan of the one using it." Coincidentally, Roger came with "a disease that cannot be cured." What disease cannot be cured? Shortened lifespan.
This is a huge thing. People try to fit characters like Law into the role of characters from Rogers day by saying he’ll be the next Whitebeard as you say then miss what seem to be more deliberate ones like Garp/Sengoku and Luffy/Law as a “grandson” duo who have similar dynamics of personality. Like you said Luffy is a lot like Garp even if he shares Rogers view of freedom.
Teddy/DarkMugiwara The conclusion of the video is Luffy’s marine generation is different than Roger’s. So stop forcing parallels. They are and will have different journeys.
24xv555 oh they will for sure. However they are rivals and they both intend on facing each other off eventually. The way you speak about Koby makes me think you really don’t believe in his potential in spite of his growth. I don’t blame you though.
Teddy/DarkMugiwara Coby is unique, Garp is unique, as are the rest. Its not about not trusting his potential. OP is so vast & Oda is so creative that each character has its own story. Thats where my trust is.
Video in a nutshell: No One Piece isn't Naruto goddammit. Morj I swear to god you keep posting these when I have barely not enough time to watch before getting to class. Liked it a lot, not your deepest analysis but it wasn't trying to be. Good to have an explanation of this basic stuff that the community really ought to internalize.
This argument is the whole "Destiny" theme, which didn't work for Naruto in my opinion. If Luffy was destined to find the One Piece/be Pirate King, that would hurt the story (but with the OP fandom probably not that that much).
Thanks man, and yeah wasnt an in depth analysis, my goal is to get out at least one in depth video essay a month and then stay consistent besides that with continued decent quality vids like this
@That boy Thats interesting because I think this introduce an interesting dynamic between Luffy and Blackbeard: Destiny vs Free Will. Blackbeard and his crew think that everything is happening because of "fate" Blackbeard sees the world as his oyster and taking everything for himself. His path to become pirate king is not so much of having freedom to do so, is because Blackbeard sees his role as destined to be, which is why Whitebeard's remarks on Blackbeard make sense because those who have the "D" are shown to act in ways that go against the norm of the world and they end up causing havoc for others. Luffy's free spirit is what counter acts anything that has to do with destiny because the One Piece wasn't made for him to find, anybody can find it and become Pirate king. However, the fact that he's willing to strive to become this greater person on his own accord and because he wants to do it, makes him more worthy to have the Will of D and frequently makes him a better pirate than Blackbeard. at Least something like that.
@@MrMorj I loved the video and one question, Still think Zoro is from Wano and/or a descendant of Ryuma? I say no because it's pretty weird that Oda is just smothering us with Zoro is the "lost samurai of Wano" with out right saying it. Also Zoro name isn't Japanese, even though weirdly enough he's from a Wano-esque village. Unless you believe he's one of the MANY individuals with a fake or secret names.
@@mistersureshot1749 Yup! 100% agree...if Luffy is destined to find the One Piece and become Pirate King - all he has to do is chill in a rubber dingy and destiny will find the One Piece for him!
I do, because their fates were intertwined from episode 1, or chapter 2. Plus, my perception of the relationship between those two is different from a typical pirate/marine relationship.
Nor Ruffy nor Coby will achieve anything by being adversaries to each other. The One Piece world isnt black an white and theere are people in the marines that have interests that would align with even pirates. Coby has no interest in stopping Ruffy, he is no obstacle for him. I rather see the whole story work out in a way that Coby will realize the freedom fighting Pirates and revolutionaries ideals to be somewhat reflective to his own ideals.
Big Boss Sam exactly. It’s not even wanting to draw parallels that aren’t there. It’s been stated in the story by the characters themselves. Even if there is a shift in the way pirates are perceived to where they’re not enemies anymore, they will face off eventually
I blame naruto for this mentality. In Naruto, every generation has the same archetype in team 7. Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura, Obito/Kakashi/Rin, Tsunabe/Jiraiya/0rochimaru, etc... This is the reason why People feel that in Onepiece the same archetype will repeat themselves. in a different generations.
And they are doing same with boruto you know those meme where they go like if you are copying my homework just copy it a little different that's what is happening with boruto
Interestingly, Obito/Kakashi/Rin is probably the most unique one. While the Sannin and Team 7 were portrayed as carbon copies, and the women all ended up in the same role, I liked how there was depth to the Obito/kakashi/rin one. In some aspects, Naruto and Obito resembled each other, kind, wanted to be hokage, goofballs, etc while kakashi and sasuke were the cool, suave, elite, style persona, yet Naruto and Kakashi are also alike, and Sasuke and Obito are too, Naruto and adult Kakashi both became Hokage, wanted to save their friend, have some similar ideology, and Sasuke and Obito were Uchihas who were as Obito put it "fellow traitors" who went on a dark path. So while I do agree that the Team 7 archetype repeated often and contirbuted to the forced parallel mindset, Obito Kakashi Rin wasnt just a simple archetype reflection. It still is but it it followed two different parallels simultaneously with Naruto/Sasuke and Kakashi/Obito which i wish more people would acknowlege (though the argument of how successful it was is completely different).
you are the first guy pointing out how kobi is used as a plot device oda used to highlight " you dont need to be strong to start something" salute man..
Morj here seems pretty frustrated with the fandoms forced parallels here. I haven't seen much of this side of the fandom, but man, the little ones i do see are downright cringe. Glad the Morj here isnt one of them. Though, i do kind of disagree with the xebec / blackbeard parallel, just because we still havent seen enough of xebec himself.
Wot was big in Japan too.. Adapted with manga style artwork.. Prologue feels like Uchiha plot.. Cyclical nature of time.. Characters directly parallel past generations.. Weaving threads, kinda like weaving hand signs.. Combat involves reading what a person is weaving.. Spoilers... - Special golden eyes everyone is intimidated by. - Eye magic reads special hidden message [like Uchiha tablet?] - Illusions about having those eyes taken out by enemy - Forced to re-experience death of family by enemy - Protag uses someone else's hand to complete his weave vs them.. [Just like Sasuke did...] - Eos merged Yin/Yang abilities into one god tier ability [Truth Seeking Orbs] - Protag draws upon power of mad spirit that dwells within him and can control him - Izanagi is like Balefire, it rewinds things like it was an illusion. - Bad guy that coalesces out of the air - Group of enemies that wear rings..one shoots fire out of his eyes - False child of Prophecy [Pain] just like "the False Dragon" - Very detailed hype moment where an ally raises a forest from nothing that kills broken powerful people [1st hokage] - Protag 2 heavily wolf based, smells everything, even emotion left in a room. [Kiba/Kakashi] - The dark one controls resurrection, and tempts the good side to evil w promises using it.. [Orochimaru/Tsunade] - Dream magic is clone/substitute type battles, transform into other people to attack them, people poof away, ect. - Prediction that protag and rival will kill each other at eos.. Old Gen: 1st Hokage vs Madara ==== Lews Theron vs Ishamael Current Gen: Naruto and Sasuke ======= Rand Al'thor vs Moridin I would be shocked if Kishimoto WASN'T a Wheel of Time fan.
One Piece would be really clichéd and boring if everything that happens will turn out the same as in the past. Even Roger himself said ''everybody has a ROLE to fulfill'' a unique role, not to follow in the exact same steps as their previous incarnations. Plus it also takes away the unique motivation of the current main cast, like everybody says Zoro is the next Rayleigh and ignore his own dream of becoming the world's greatest swordsman and his other character traits that make him different from Rayleigh.
Luffy's story is supposed to be bigger than rogers. The world needs to change in a drastic way; No more world government, no more marine as we know it. Luffy's the the bringer of a great change in the status quo. Roger himself said that he was too soon. If we keep forcing parallels with Roger's arc, one piece will end up with Luffy finding the one piece than dying and that's it. He will only be the second one who did, before the third one and so one. That's why he doesn't need a garp, that's why he doesn't even have to die like Roger. If at the end of the story the world is going to be that different, it's more likely that Coby and Smoker are going to have a role in that new era that's unique, that no one had before.
>Luffy finds one piece >It's a note saying "if you read this ur gay -from PK (pirate KING), aka Gold Dick Roger, aka GolD$$RodgR Ps get on my level, loser Pps we're not the same" >World governement corners luffy at laughtale and he gets sentenced to death after judged for his crimes. >luffy before his death: "my secrets, my treasure? I left it all in that place..." gets ended
Luffy's similar to Roger in many ways but his personality is basically pirate Garp. Obviously, Roger didn't have the goal to become Pirate King. Luffy takes this goal based on the notion that the Pirate King Roger conquered the Grand Line and lived freely as he wished, choosing even his death. But that's it. Their stories are meant to be different as much as they're similar. For one, Luffy will succeed and if not, why even state that Roger was too early and he's waiting for someone to inherit the Will of D? (Which Luffy seems the ultimate inheritor of)
but Luffy despise the image of heroes which Garp is. and if we follow the logic put forth by the video, loose similarities are not enough to draw parallels. I'm not saying you can't think that, but Morj is...
@@chainclaw07 luffy does not despise heroes, he despises rules which is what marines are about. Soba mask or usopp claimed to be a hero and luffy loved him .
Fans like putting things together like pokemon masters like collecting trophies. There's no substance. It's like people wanting any new character to be a straw hat the moment their design shows up on the page. They don't care about their long term use or character. They just want to "have" things to put into a pile.
Wow couldn't agree more about this! I've been attacked in forums before for saying this. It annoys me that so many people thinks there has to be these parallels and decide how powerful people are gonna be by the made up fact of 'there has to be a parellel to this'. Not saying Luffy can't have some of these parallels but let the story decide, we the readers don't need to decide. About koby though, outside of all the parallel nonesense, he's gotten very strong and could be stronger than a typical rear admiral. Can't wait to see what he looks like eos. All in all, really great video!
This video makes me realise how little we know of Garp' philosophy and motives since there just isn't enough information about Garp as a character during Roger's era. For example why did he join the marines or why did he side with Roger during Battle of the God Valley. Basically we know very little on one of the most important characters of the series. On the flipside even though we just have a chapter's worth of info on Rocks we still can comfortably draw a parallel between Teach and him.
I've been saying this for some time. I lowkey feel Garp is being built up to have one the saiddest stories in One Piece. On key thing to note is that Garp is like Luffy in appearing carefree. Yet luffy never talked about his past or sad moments, like sabos death or being beating up. Just his backstory in geneal he was very quiet about. Garp is the same way i feel. He has a face of carefreeness but theres a lot of stuff connected to him. His son is public enemy no1? Thats gotta be sad for him. His grandsons became notorious outlaws? We new how much that pained him. But more interestingly, the fact that luffy didnt seem to have a mother or grandmother growing up is intriguing. I feel like there's yet another implied tragedy there and obviously itd tie into dragons backstory but my point is that the more Garp is championed as a carefree unwavering symbol, it feels more and more likely that such a figure was formed by not just one sad event but multiple. Theres even more stuff like defying his bosses to harbor Ace, and we dont know if/how long he protected Dragons info from WG. Garp is such a clear foil to Luffy, i cant wait too see what Oda will do with his character
"Being friends" is not only parallel between Law and White beard: there us also lack of will to become a pirate king. But I agree that Law is NOT Luffi's Whitebeard
Roger and White Beard also had a temporary alliance with one another just like Law and Luffy, so yes Law is similar to White Beard, but he isn’t a copy and pasted version of White Beard.
I actually do believe that Coby will become the strongest marine, but not because of some stupid parallel and his relation to Luffy, I just want to see him achieve his dream
I was also on the Smoker = Garp train for the longest time. A lot of things seemed to fit like you described, and Smoker is 1) a character who's been with us for such a long time, you could even say he started his "journey" at the same time as Luffy in a sense, and 2) just an extremely likeable Marine even though he's totally different from Garp in personality - so a part of it is a desire to see him have a major role in the story going forward. As much as I love the Admirals, they all have more of a lofty air to them, while Smoker is the closest thing to a more personal rival/antagonist figure among the Marines. And while I don't have any attachment to it being some kind of parallel for the sake of it, I still can't deny that I remain disappointed that Luffy has seemingly just zoomed way past Smoker. It went straight from Smoker being untouchable, to it being impossible to see him as even a respectable threat. It now feels impossible that we'll ever get anything close to a hard-fought duel between them even though it seemed like a fight so long in the making, you know? Maybe I'm underestimating Smoker and he'll actually rise to an Admiral by the end of the story, which should be enough for an entertaining scrap between them, but if that was Oda's plan I think he would've prepared the stage better for it - drop us some "it's the White Hunter, the crazy Marine who went into the New World and threw himself into all the harshest battles..." lines... and not have him be so clearly inferior even to Law, who in turn was very clearly inferior to Doflamingo, who lost to Luffy and so on. I suppose the point of all this is that a reason to make these parallels, at least to some extent, can also arise from an attachment to a character and feeling like something really is building with them. Smoker's character is still fine, I really liked the way you described how the current era is different and not meant to have a Marine like that - makes me see the patterns in Oda's decision to move things in this direction better - but I still can't help but feel Smoker got the short end of the stick, to some extent.
Reading the comments, it looks like power scalers come from DBZ fandom while people who wants fight after fights comes from naruto fandom. They read or watched those series first then jump to One Piece after those series ended. They salty cause what their reading now was something new and big.
Thank you. I never felt comfortable with the idea of Cobi out of knowhere being on par with Boa Hancock. I think he might not lust for her & Boa Hancock might end up developing some respect for Cobi. That's character development.
Koby teamed up with Law on Rocky Port like Garp teamed up with Roger to stop Rocks, and Honesty Impact is the Worst Generation version of Galaxy Impact meaning clearly now Koby is Luffy's Garp instead of Smoker.
Really enjoyed this video Morj! Forcing these parallels always seemed to me like a really easy way for readers to sour on characters and their respective arcs. Videos like these are nice compliments to your big analysis videos. Keep it up Morj! 👍
Shanks knew that one of his former nakama ODEN was killed by Kaido and yet he did not do anything to Avenge his death. Knowing that he stopped Kaido from coming to the Paramount War, I wonder if Shanks is also going to be tied to the Wano arc. What do you think?
Whitebeard is closer to Katakuri than Law : WB never got a wound in his back, Kata never fell on his back/ WB wanted a family, Kata want to protect his family/ Katakuri and Luffy eating cover looking like Roger and WB eating.
@@BakaryD , your Katakuri examples are the only example I can see Katakuri being similar to White Beard than Law, but there’s so much evidence backing up how Law and White Beard parallel one another.
Hey Morj! I just want to say that I love all your videos, I often rewatch them. One particular aspect that I love is how you constantly point out the big picture, the background themes, inspirations, and are not quick to jump into conclusions. After watching many of your videos I've found an even higher level of respect for the series and Oda. It has given me a new perspectives on many arcs, and the symbolism of it all, specifically your analysis about Wano. That being said, is there any other mangas, books, or literary works that you'd recommend? If something can capture your attention a fraction of what One Piece has, it is definitely worth checking out. Thank you and keep up the great content :)
@@stevelucky7579 I don't buy it at all. This whole video explains very convincingly that Coby is definitely not Luffy's "Garp" But even before this video I never bought that Luffy had a Garp in the first place. Roger was great, but his story ended without the major change that Luffy's story seems headed toward. By the time OP is over there might not even BE a WG left for Coby to serve, let alone time for him to grow into an antagonistic force against Luffy. Luffy is NOT Roger. He is inspired by Roger, but his adventure is all his own.
This has been my biggest gripe with a lot of one piece youtubers. They have so many discussions and debates about who parallels who, who's going to fight who because they have to mirror each other and so many other examples. Good Vid!
I boarded the “katakuri is Luffys whitebeard” ship from the moment I saw their fight through. Katakuri checks a lot of whitebeard ticks, he’s a man of the highest caliber with great honour, strength, and love for his family. I bet you he’s the type to die standing without a single wound on his glorious back. Edit: i agree with everything you said though, I just want Katakuri to play a fantastical role in the story like Whitebeard because he left that good of an impression on me.
Coby isn't like any other marine, he cheers for Luffy despite him being a pirate, Coby knows there are bad pirates like Alvida and good pirates like Zoro, who was called an evil swordsman.
Smoker could have been Luffy's Garp until Marineford: the end of an era. It's no longer the era of Whitebeard's generation, and their conventions no longer stand.
I just thought of this, though it has little to do with "Luffy having a Garp." Smoker represents Real Justice while Coby represents True Justice, and those are different Most Marines pursue a form of justice that is not true or real, but borders on Injustice Smoker represents what justice really is. He's gritty, dirty, but he goes after real criminals, and admits when real justice has been served. He's Batman as far as his justice is. Coby represents what justice is supposed to be. Coby's justice is the idealized form of justice, the Knight of Lore, what we wish justice was and what it truly should be. He's Superman with his justice. By comparison, marines like Akainu are just zealots that aren't interested in justice at all.
I think some people are just using characters as shorthand for what they mean. 'His whitebeard' kinda just means his top tier friend. Like his Garp just means marine rival
This. Character parallel =/= exact copy. In many instances it's just common story bits showing up for different characters. Like Coby and Luffy are friends. There is no denying it. Coby is also getting pushed hard through the ranks of the Marines. Smoker and Hina are considered fast rising stars, yet Coby surpassed their speed in 2 years. No matter how you see it...The relationship between Coby and Luffy is hugely relevant to both characters'' future. Saying he is going to be "Luffy's Garp" does not mean that it will be a copy of the Roger/Garp relationship. Just that it will repeat certain story beats. Ergo Coby is the Marine most associated with the Pirate King. It certainly does help that Coby is trained under Garp, while Luffy is under Rayleigh and that Coby is already known as a hero
@@SennaHawx What story beats will repeat from Garp/Roger? So far there's very little and the only one I see is him joining with Luffy against BB but it doesn't hold much weight. Same with Law/WB, Kid/Shiki. There's no basis. WB's whole dynamic with Roger is so different from Luffy and Law.
@@daemonspade8316 See. Here you are asserting something completely different from what people claim. You want direct copies of events, with minimal changes between these character roles in the story in order to recognize them as a parallel. That's not what that means, though. The story beats that are repeated are much simpler than that and much more clean cut. Law/WB ---> In flashbacks we got a glimp at the relationship between Roger & Newgate. Against all expectations they were rather friendly with each other. They sat down and had a talk and generally had different goals. Once Law revealed that his main goal was actually getting his revenge against Doffy for Corazon's death and the alliance between the StrawHats & Law took shape, people theorized that Law would have a similar relationship to Luffy, as Newgate had with Roger. People that are seen as rivals, but are actually friendly with each other. That's it. Rarely anything else is implied when people speak about Law's/Newgate's role regarding Luffy/Roger. Kid/Shiki ---> Similar thing, opposite direction. From the beginning Kid was stated to be more ruthless than Luffy and definitely more classical-pirate-y in that regard. The character of Kid doesn't seem like the guy that will ever see himself beneath the Pirate King, let alone being friendly with him. The same was the case for Shiki in Chapter 0. Again...That's it. That's all people are referencing. Nothing regarding their actualy personalities, powers or development. Coby/Smoker/Garp ---> "You chased me all over the world." - Roger about Garp "One day I will arrest you." - Coby & Smoker about Luffy Smoker was the first strong Marine officer we met in the story and after Smoker named his intentions AND resurfaced in Alabasta, while rising through the ranks of the Marine-world, just like Luffy with the pirates, people saw that this very well is the implied behavior of Garp regarding Roger. Again...That's it. Every famous Pirate will have made some Marine officer look foolish. Every famous pirate is going to have a member of the Marines dedicated to stop/capture them. Early beats in the story seemed to suggest Smoker being that for Luffy. After Smoker's rather secondary performance in Punk Hazard - ending in a dedication to the save kids - alot of people hopped off this train, as it did no longer look like Smoker being the one "chasing Luffy all over the world." That is all about it. Again...Nothing about the powers, actual story or characterization of Garp/Smoker. Then Reverie happened and Coby was put over strong. He was "just" a Captain, which was already impressive, but he had a good showing and already gained some fame, thanks to his excellent work as a Marine. Then the most recent chapters revealed that in the last few days of the Reverie Coby actually recieved another promotion, factually making him the youngest cannon and non-cannon Admiral-ranked (not "Admiral"-rank) person in One Piece. Not only that, but we learned that he is a member of a top-secret Marine sub-division. Combine that with the recent reveal of Roger & Garp teaming up against a supreme enemy and the fact that Garp sepcifically and personally trained Coby for 2.5 years and you get some more story beats that just naturally flow together. Especially considering the Blackbeard/Xebec association is there in the manga, for everyone to see. The beat that many people think will repeat itself with Coby & Garp...is the team up to defeat a formidable opponent. For the fourth time...That's it. All that happened is that the Marine rival of Luffy switched from Smoker to Coby, because that journey, in any sense of the word, is happening in direct parallel to the journey Luffy is having. That's all the parallel that people see is refering too. TL;DR: What Naruto had were repeated characters, stories and character developments. What One Piece has is repeated story beats, with different characters and different character development.
@@SennaHawx Parallels also don't mean vague nitpicky similarities either. Most of what you said are not even "story beats", they're character traits. And the story beats you did mention are not parallels. Law/WB- Law's main goal is not revenge against Doffy. That is a lifelong goal of his, yes. However, he wishes to find the One Piece just as much as anyone. If you go back to Pre-TS, this is very much clear. You can have multiple goals in your life. However, the community conveniently ignored this for their forced parallel. So, Law being friendly with Luffy (a character trait) essentially warrants a parallel. This is so flimsy. Kid/Shiki- Shiki wanted Roger in his crew, he was more than ready to be friendly with him. Kid showed 0 interest in such things. Nothing similar at all. Coby/Smoker/Garp- With Smoker and Garp, Morj explained it already, there were clear parallels but with distinct personalities. So whether Oda intended them to parallel is maybe up for debate but that idea holds little weight nowadays due to the current direction of the story. As for Coby, his recent climbing of ranks+being Garp's underling is enough to see him standing shoulder to shoulder with Luffy as the Marine ally against BB. However, this only works if you're completely disregarding the story beat that the event in the past was 3 D members fighting, which is most likely a monumental event. But for the sake of the parallel, this plot point has to be ignored. All of these parallels you suggest only work when you leave out the conditions that come along with it. Good parallels flow naturally without having to be put under scrutiny.
@@daemonspade8316 Doesn't matter what YOU mean when talking about parallels. I simply said what MOST PEOPLE that use these words regarding the character arcs in One Piece mean by that
Excellent video! The One Piece world is so vast and diverse that it really makes no sense for patterns of people to be so widespread, even as we do draw parallels and see foils of characters clash all the time. The fact that Luffy is so similar to Roger isn't a point to be extrapolated across the series by the fanbase, but a logical indicator to other characters in the story that this is a man worth following. Luffy will lead them to the places Roger has before, and supporting him may lead to him reaching the heights that Roger couldn't in his day.
Totally off topic.. but I like your voice and your depth of thought. You've helped me see things I missed and your voice is soothing. I love your analyses~ I hope you keep doing them! Can't wait for more character analyses! Would love to see one of Law~ 😍
I don’t really care about the parallels, I just think it makes sense that Koby and Luffy are end game rivals that’s kind of what I felt the minute they both stated their dreams. I will be a great marine(Admiral)/ I will be the pirate king, It just feels like Oda has been building this from the first time he introduced Koby
This is so crazy..... I was thinking somewhat on the lines of this video a couple of months ago. I'm glad that you went a deeper break down bc I could not break down my thoughts like you did. Thank you for your analysis of one piece🧐✌
