Why Madara VS Sukuna Is EXTREMELY unfair. 

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Kinda bummed you didn’t include the domain expansion in the vidoe ? But I gives it wouldn’t change the outcome next pls do shigaraki vs sukkuna 😅tahts way more fair

Bruh Seth already made this video

@@Isaac-yr1relil bro tempest has been making this video for months

Do Raiden Ei vs Gojo

These Naruto wankers think naruto characters like tobirama would solo jjk it ain’t recency biased it’s more fanboy biased from naruto

Honestly, I don't even think it's recency bias. I just think a lot of people hype up. Sukana due to his statement of cutting the world, I've literally guidance arguments with people aka JJK fans who don't know how to scale trying to claim that he's planetary or universal or that he can cut through existence itself because of that😂

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People take the black hole feat as large planetary. Despite nobody scaling to it 😭 (Yuki died from using it and kenjaku nearly died from a nerfed version of a black hole)

@@marvelmaniacs1 bruh it’s not even that it’s just the naruto bias please look over how both teams work and you’ll see why this fight is closer than you think

not rlly

It's closer yeah but Pain still slaughters

Sukuna washes that purple eyed bundle of sticks

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​@@cov-hx5ok😂sure buddy

“You almost killed me, you bastard” -madara after getting kicked really fucking hard

@Churd_ and madara is leaned against the god tree while saying that.. my comment literally says AFTER absorbing the god tree.

@@Churd_ that was madara BEFORE he absorbed the god tree. Its sad how your brain neurons just lost the ability to read and comprehend stuff lmfao

​@@Churd_ that was a metaphorical phrase. Madara would have regenerated instantly back anyways. He did so to express just how impressive Might Guy's attack were

​@@Churd_Madara then gets sliced in half and survived immediately after

he's not right tho

@@jack_bright7709how come?? Any version of Madara washes JJK

@@MagicianSama If a single hollow purple lands on Madara he's not coming back even with edo tensei.

​@@theneverwhere6076as if a hollow purple is faster than Edo madara

@@lancebigraga Considering he's comparable to Obito who was scared of Itachi who barely evaded lightning - it pretty much blitzes Madara yes.

They are 😑

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@@alexproctor524 but they are actually underrated

Sukuna washes

​@@cov-hx5okwash's who

Man what sukuna going to do with the first one? Lmao it took 2 kage working together to stop it.

Then there’s limbo clones. Sukuna would have no way to see nor sense the limbo clones. And the “world cutting slash” hasn’t been stated to cut multiple dimensions. Limbo clones supposedly have sussanoos as well. So Mahoraga and Sukuna might just get randomly one shotted in the middle of the fight.

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234 madara already has the jjk secret move on lock lmao, domain expansion: majestic attire beat down

@@alexproctor524 and people seem to think that Madara is an imbecile that will just stand there and let Sukuna hit him

4:27 We only see Hakari move after the bolt has already hit him and disappeared meaning he's not moving in the same timeframe and wouldn't scale in speed. Arguing he must've moved because the bolt was going towards his head acts like electricity moves in a straight line when it doesn't and arcs to whatever path is the easiest. Because he did get hit in the shoulder therefore the path to his shoulder was easier than the path to his face.

😂I'm sure there some jjk fans out there who think he beats Aizen.

I mean, some people think Sukuna can beat Gilgamesh lmfao

​@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234WTF 😂

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234that’s a whole another level of meatriding

@@Otaku_Amuno There’s some really crazy fans out there. And the only way Madara would loose to Sukuna is if he’d just stand there and let himself get hit on purpose. Which is something he won’t do.

Massive copium

​@@TaylorONEism93wym cope? It's true

@@TheManUnderTheSun lmao I’m trolling

I'm not kidding when I say that Ichigo in his weakest Bankai forms probably completely washes the JJK verse. It's stupid just how powerful Ichigo is already by that point.

damn fr? you should try those animes

or the limbo clones just jumping Mahoraga with invisible sussanos lol

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234 Oshit I forgot about the limbo clones entirely

​@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234bro even one pice characters stomp jjk lol

No those fodder ain't even city level ​@@shido_rimru_

​@@shido_rimru_ no they can't lmao☠️

Seth did an awful job on this, he wanked the fuck out of sukuna nd lowballed the fuck out of Madara

seth the pedo?

Nah. That Seth video was booty crumbs. They sucked sukunas dick so hard, most of his feats were completely overestimated to the point they made shit up for some. Then, they didn't mention half of what madara has done.

Only for them to make Sukuna win cuz Mahoraga can Adapt to anything and Sukuna survived Matter Erasure . DeathBattles don't know how to scale .

@@yashkambli5208 sure but I’d like to watch the fight regardless. Their animations lately have been amazing! I watch Death Battle for a good time.

Chill on me😭🙏🏾 use the my discount mane😭

​@@Tempest1018no sakuna from jjk destroys Madara Uchiha no matter what you say it still won't change the fact the dude literally Cuts existence in half cut through fucking Infinity if you don't know what that means so no matter Madara Uchiha is not going to win

@@cjcj4861Great bait just stop bro...

​@@Tempest1018no Madara Uchiha does not one shot no damn of sakuna from jjk where do I get that shit from you literally smoking crack in terms of techniques madara is going to get destroyed Case Closed your scaling your BS is irrelevant I'm using logical facts and Common Sense will tell you straight to your face the answer is no Naruto characters won't be able to deal with that kind of power Point Blank fucking period

cant stop the fact that Madara blitzes lmao@@cjcj4861

sm people got it wrong, and somebody had to get it right.

I'm gonna be dropping a Warhammer 40k (Astartes Deathwatch Kill-Team) vs Chimera Ants (Including Meruem) vid down the line. Busy with anotber project atm though

​@@sixpathskaiokentvif the kill team has a space marine psyker then ez other than that it just depends on their loadout

@@sixpathskaiokentvif there’s a decent psyker it’s a major rip for the ants.

@@ethan1441 yeah I've since thoought about the matchup more, and decided there's too many variables. I'm likely going to do Ephrael Stern vs Post Rose Meruem instead.

No that shits ass

😂 lol tojo hit by it still had have his body, Madera having half his body gone was able to heal like its nothing. And also even sukuna was able to tank it with some damage, it just goes to show its not as strong as you imagine it to be. Even the author of jjk said it was kinda of a mistake for him to have Maki speed feat with the bullet.

@@kingmaou4690 He never said it was a mistake. He said "you're probably thinking "going from 'mach' to 'infinite' is really stupid"... and you're right." Meaning he acknowledged power cliffing. Also, unsure when this became Toji vs Madara. Also unsure what you're talking about, because I never brought up Hollow Purple.

@sageoverheaven he also talked about the gun feat being too much at that point. Also the wc wouldn't be able to kill madara and he can dodge it.

@@kingmaou4690 He can't even perceive it lol. It's basically Sukuna's version of Limbo, with the only people to perceive them being Makora post adaptation and Sukuna himself. And yes, he talked about the gun feat being too much for pre-awakening Maki. JJK powercliffs after her *second* awakening.

Its like 9 or 10

Yeah especially since they are not necessarily real. People like Toji and Maki have to allow themselves to be effected by the domain

Yeah, they are clearly not making a island because outside of it is jus a small ball. JJK was not meant to be scaled high but JJK fans are jus relentless

​@@wswann34 The inside is island sized regardless.

​@@bitviper3430 they are seperate space time 💀 also they are real

The domains r completely real inside and r created pretty much instantly and it would be useless to create something that would apply to ur AP inside of it. Example: i use 3/4 of my power to make a gun but my punches do more damage. Not practical. Creating a space doesn't necessarily mean u r above some1 else but it means that u r at the lvl required to create it hense Dagon's Island. Jogo is straight up stated to be above Dagon despite only creating a mountain.

It’s not close sukuna cleaves his head off

Obviously everyone thought about this. You’re seriously overlooking Madara’s durability and his eyes that WILL perceive the slashes. I mean people in jjk was able to also. He will have an answer to his domain as people have already explained it. Them slashes is just not enough sadly

WHAT IS CHAKRA WHEEL?

​@@cov-hx5okhe's too slow. Madara speed blitzes

@@abp_gvo_2275 The dharma Chakra Wheel is 1/10 sacred treasure, its what's on Mahraga head that spins. Sukuna can also equipped it to him, but that's not what makes 1000 year Sukuna scary. It's the other two he has rn in the manga, but supposedly at one point he has the "Yatsuka no Tsunugi" or "The Eight Handed Long Sword, Divinity Yatsuka." Which could Slay Budda.... in different mythologies. But what he has rn in the manga is enough sacred treasure to take Madara out. The treasures were used to kill High teir demons like the Biblical "Lucifer Morningstar's own fallen general" like the Archangel Rel. I'm not joking, lol, cool little fact.

Nah, he can’t Madara probably uses susano and izanagi,in the manga that mentioned if somebody trains he/she’s shranigan to perfection he/she can predict opponent’s movments from little muscle movment (lam sorry for lacking english it’s my third lananguge)

Headcanon

Cause jjk regen is dogshit and stops the instant your brain is damaged💀💀

Juubidra was flying around with half of his body missing and regenerated. He also lost half of his body due to Guy’s reality bending kicks. Madara is definitely regenerating from that.

tbh pretty sure you can't regenerate your head or stomach getting cut off because CE originates from the stomach and gojo was cut in half from the stomach

don't take my word for it tho i just watch the anime 😭

Seth literally said 3 interpretation of sukuna low ball mid ball true version, high ball

@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN the apparent mid ball or true version is highballing Sukuna stops at city lvl-country Seth was wanking sukuna Deku is enough to slam sukuna let alone madara

​@@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv don't forget seth was nerfing madara HARD and didn't even talk about madaras broken abilities like limbo. Didn't he delete that video or something?

Capppppp,he can't adapt to Goku even while suppressed, take it easy man.broly is even far better in reactive adaptation

@@uzookafor8721 good point, broly is basically a dragon ball mahoraga

This gotta be the dumbest comment I seen on this video he not adapting to goku at all lol

@@shido_rimru_ you are right 😂😂😂

@exylx what

Nah that’s aizen

I mean like Tylern already did a video on that. I suggest go watching that. It's actually very informative 👍🏾

Sukuna doesn’t have win cons since kakazu easily tanks it with his RAW DURABILITY.

@@obsidianquill7949 funny enough yes he tanks his normal slashes lmao

​@@obsidianquill7949 was looking for the Kakazu meme haha

​@@obsidianquill7949 against space slash he getting one shotted

@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN I’m going to assume you don’t get the meme so I’ll explain it to you. I forgot who but there’s this crazy redditor who unironically thinks kakazu is the strongest akatsuki member and he was being so annoying about it people turned it into a meme. One of the redditors more absurd arguments is that kakazu simply has better raw durability so that became the face of the meme.

Bc its not consistant at all, Kuramas statement is supported when he actually scales to characters like Juubi who are planet lvl to planet lvl+ at least while not even at full power, the JJK verse is weak and not even country lvl thats a fact,base Madara decimates

The problem is sukuna has never shown anything close to island level while kurama can easily shoot bijuu bombs that eclipse cities.

I mean the nine tails has tons of statements such as these and characters who scale ~ to him or below him, where as sukuna's best feats are like island level, and its just on the back meant to hype up the series, one has other statements and calcs that back it up more where as the other has nothing backing it

if you disagree than we can debate it rn

Firstly. You’d be asserting that gojo scales above Yuki individually which means she scales above her CT which there is no evidence for as tempest said in the video. Scaling above Yuki doesnt mean you scale above her CT kenjaku confirms this by saying he would’ve died along with the world if her will and tengen weren’t suppressing it even tho he was bullying her the whole fight. Secondly just because sukuna can attack the soul doesn’t mean every single attack he has can again thats an association fallacy. Madara can negate the truth seeker orbs and has things like the soul dragon. Spiritual attacks wouldn’t matter to madara. Also the sukunas fingers being able to destroy the earth is literally an outlier. And more akin to him destroying humanity and not the actual earth itself. His best attack literally cuts someone in half and obviously not the universe as tempest said. All the yuki feat is, is a clear outlier. Even the statements such as “special grade sorcerers should be able to overthrow a country” is again in reference to taking it over and not necessarily being able to destroy a country. Stop wanking and watch the video.

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​@@jack_bright7709I would say the first issue is how to apply the ^2.5. Because if you, say strike with 2 romnatons, and then square it, despite it being a far higher value than the joules, the black flash would be weaker. So does it make sense to use the value in joules or tons of TNT, or does cursed energy in verse have an entirely separate measurement of energy?

@@jack_bright7709 Firstly. You’d be asserting that gojo scales above Yuki individually which means she scales above her CT which there is no evidence for as tempest said in the video. Scaling above Yuki doesnt mean you scale above her CT kenjaku confirms this by saying he would’ve died along with the world if her will and tengen weren’t suppressing it even tho he was bullying her the whole fight. Secondly just because sukuna can attack the soul doesn’t mean every single attack he has can again thats an association fallacy. Madara can negate the truth seeker orbs and has things like the soul dragon. Spiritual attacks wouldn’t matter to madara. Also the sukunas fingers being able to destroy the earth is literally an outlier. And more akin to him destroying humanity and not the actual earth itself. His best attack literally cuts someone in half and obviously not the universe as tempest said. All the yuki feat is, is a clear outlier. Even the statements such as “special grade sorcerers should be able to overthrow a country” is again in reference to taking it over and not necessarily being able to destroy a country. Stop wanking and watch the video.

There’s more than one type of imaginary mass than tachyons. Tachyons being the only one that moves faster than light. Personally I give Gojo the ftl feat with hollow purple because in matches with some verses it doesn’t make a difference. Either he was already going to win or it’s still too slow.

@chance2110 I actually didn't think about that. lol thx

@@swagssj3 Np, I like answering questions like this to clear up common misconceptions.

​@@chance2110let me get this straight. HP is ftl? Then that means that Sukuna is faster than HP? I mean he did sense it and managed to tank it at the last second so...

@@Prodigal450 I said I personally give it that ftl feat because it normally doesn’t matter in the vsbattles I care for. The interpretation is there, but it’s more than likely that wasn’t the author’s intention. It’s been stated Gege takes more liberal approaches with math than objective analysis. Sukuna is already up to ftl because of the Kashimo feat.

Well at least you know who you are 💀

Don’t worry. We know the JJK fans got you at gunpoint💀

Naruto d riders arguments “jjk fanboys am I right and jjk fanboys held you at gun point 🤓👆”

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You do know none of them are fast enough for that and a Truth seeking orb would kill mahito

@@hassanhassan-os5oq thats why i said mahito plus gojo, and i didnt say is granted they would win it would come to who attacks first in all honesty

​@@6ronanfreemaker9 Madara has genjutsu so gojo would be out of the fight before it started and mahito would die after one attack

1. There is no speed feats or statements that put sukuna at lightspeed aside from the em wave feat (very shaky) or the prison realm statement (which doesn’t even work if you look even slightly deeper into it). 2. It won’t even touch madara ems madara is ftl+. 3. Gojos domain which I’m going to assume is similar in speed to malevolent shrine activates in 0.2 seconds which is child’s play for madara. Again ems madara alone is ftl+. Ems madara blitzes low diff, 1 rinnegan madara also blitzes low diff, juubi madara negs.

The worst debunk 1. Prove that JJK is even light SPEED, and the Kashimo feat isnt consistant at all.. 2. Also the slash doesnt work like Kamui, its far weaker, also Kamui rips THROUGH Space, it doesnt suck Space, Madara has already dealt with Space attacks.. Also thats an attempt to a NLF ? just bc weaker characters cant heal from his attacks doesnt mean Madara cant, especially if he scales far higher and that he Can also regenerate AT will.. 3. The domain isnt doing anything to base Edo Madara whos immortal and Can even regenerate from being completely vaporized, even then Madara Can dodge the domain in the first place since hes far faster than Sukuna and hé has précognition with his Sharingans, the strongest attack Sukuna has cant even damage Madara BC of the difference in scaling

@danielgedeon6454 okay 1st off light speed is in jjk. Not only was the dodge light speed but so was the attack that blitzed someone made of ems waves .sukana scales above everyone. That includes kenjaku moving away from a black hole that light was visibly being sucked into. Gojo moving in no time. 2nd the space attack works on space ignoring durability. 3rd scaling above everyone means he scales above Yuta who was able to destroy the cursed inventory which is a 4d space. Easily scaling above madara. And again the domain is a sure hit effect. 4th maharaga can adapt to things like charaka letting sukana cut thru anything. As well as things like the perfect circle which has infinite mass . If lower characters can deal with that then obviously sukana scales above

This isn't a debunk at all. • JJK yes has light speed scaling At Best but as the video creator mentioned Naruto as a verse is that at a minimum during the 4th Great Ninja War for High Mid tier Ninja like Darui. Madara would scale far above Sukuna in Speed as Ninja's like Tobirama who have instant teleportation admitted weren't on Madara's Level and a Edo Madara (who isn't at full strength stated by Hashirama himself) casually blocked a KCM2 Naruto attack which would bare minimum be 2x the Speed of Light as KCM1 blitzed the 4th Raikage. • Gojo never healed from a Spacial Slash but a Edo Madara or Jubidara would. But let's say we're using Madara during his Era and Madara when he fully Revives. I'd Argue the Sharingan let alone MS/EMS would be able to see Sukuna's Slash's as you mentioned it's a Spacial Attack and there are plenty of those going around in Naruto. I know for a Fact the Rinnegan can see it as it can see in different dimensions/plains of Existence. It also wouldn't be that hard to see with the Sharingan that Sukuna's Slash's are Dominantly and Heavily reliant on his movement (moving his fingers in a direction, kicking in a direction etc (Not including Malevolent Shrine)). Sasuke was able to pick up on Deidara's Hand Signals during the middle of their fight while not trying to go out all out and deduced his Jutsu was Earth Style. If Sasuke could do that in base Sharingan then Madara of all people would be able to deduce the same and strategize accordingly. He's already fast enough to dodge Sukuna and flat out Blitz him in Base so this wouldn't be an issue. • Whether we use any version of Madara from his Era or in the 4th Great Ninja War one thing is constantly shown and that's Durability. Madara's Durability should scale to his AP (same as Sukuna's) and we've seen weaker characters attacks do absolutely nothing to someone who is far superior to them. Guy took a Gentle Fist attack that bypasses physical durability from Neji and brushed it off (granted he was ready for it) and Juubidara took 2 hits from Naruto and Sasuke amped with Six Paths Power without even blocking and it did nothing. Madara already scales far above anything Sukuna has done (at the current moment) so we can reliably say Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine Slashes let alone Fuga Arrow won't actually do much to Madara. If he uses his Susano in any way that's definitely not doing anything. The Chakra from the Susano alone was enough to block an Attack from a KCM2 Naruto it's definitely going to protect him from Malevolent Shrine. Ribcage onwards is just unnecessary as it's adding extra layers of defense. You could argue Sukuna can combine his Spacial Slashes with his Domain but we don't know that for sure as of yet. If he can't Sukuna is still cooked, if he can then Sukuna finally has a win condition for Madara Era and Revived Madara if they can't get out of the Radius in Time which he very likely can. But let's say he can't... Izanagi for a reality Rewrite to finish Sukuna off. And arguably Madara could heal his eye afterwards as when he Awakened the Rinnegan his Eye Returned to normal thus showing the Rinnegan can override the effects of going blind from Izanagi and by extension Izanami after they're used if not all MS/EMS abilities that make the user go blind or flat out lose an eye "permanently".

@@kaimobley5324sukuna claps him

Late comment but in verse battles there is something called verse equalization

He's not planetary, anybody can react to a black hole being made in front of them. Kenjaku used a CT aka antigravity to match the CE output of the black hole. Without tengens barriers and yukis willpower, then the entire planet would've been destroyed.

Fr😂 the madara downplay was wild tho he stomps

​@@XKIRA376 Seth and jobber didnt downplay him they wank sukuna

Seth didn’t even say that though he said it’s based off of 3 interpretations of JJK Lowball JJK (I think it’s just more modest interpretation): Sukuna would struggle against the Gokage INDIVIDUALLY and would lose that 5v1 Mid ball or fair and most reasonable interpretation: Sukuna at peak should be ahead of the Gokage individually but any form of Madara we can scale as an adult slams no diff High ball which after watching the whole video was some of the biggest JJK wank there is (they did it on purpose of course to see the highest interpretation almost on a Naruto is universal type) and he said Sukuna could get close but probably loses to Six Path Madara which the interpretation was including Sukuna having planetary AP and FTL+ to INFINITE speed. Me personally, I think the Gokage could beat him in a 5v1 and maybe even individually since they’d be significantly faster (the JJK speed arguments are pretty bad almost as bad as the Yuki black hole interpretation).

@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 yes i know but i took the wank as hes anwser

Reality : sukuna stomp

Bad idea, it's impossible to make a fair argument with One piece fans when they resort to the most inconsistent scales and wrong understanding of abilities. The best example is G5 and people thinking no one who does not have haki even if they level higher can't beat logia users

@@beytullah6972I agree. I was debating a one piece fan on naruto vs luffy. And they said “naruto doesn’t have haki so he can’t hurt luffy” 💀

It will only piss luffy fans off. And regardless gojo likely wins I would say (likely not saying he does but likely) reasoning behind this is probably due to hollow purple which actually states to erase beings from existence. Which luffy has zero hax to. Honestly I could continue this but their is no point.

Luffy slams. He’ll blitz past infinity (jjk chapter 76) and beat him up with dura neg. He’ll probably need anywhere from Wano base to Wano Gear 5 to beat Gojo using speed advantage, but he slams as soon as he learns advanced armament. Infinity may not be able to block the intangible, invisible strikes from Ryou.

luffy a naruto victim tho

nah

@@Nurrlmaoye

​@@cov-hx5ok nah

Yeah, but not madara with ten tails

He said base and mahoraga adapts to the concepts itself

Actually no Madara can still kill. Remember Truth seeker Orbs upon contact can essentially straight up Delete both Physical and Spiritual constructs from Existence. Only Six path Senjutsu can make you Immune to such a level of Existence Erasure. Not to Forget what is stopping Madara to just Permanently Seal away Sukuna inside a Six Path seal?

Bro kid madara solo sukuna and 99% of jjk the difference in strength between naruto characters and jjk characters is simply too big

can sakuna spawn a meteorite

@@Beyondness.A no, but he can summon fire that is hotter than that of a meteorite. He could probably dismantle the meteors before impact as well. Him and mahoraga were throwing buildings around as they fought...

@@jeffmilligan5307I’ve read a few comments and one of the things that I haven’t seen was the fact that madara’s immortal and has unlimited chakra. The real question is if sukuna can keep up with madara

His video was garbage he says that yorozu perfect sphere has infinite mass and maharaga destroying it scales sukuna to the infinte mass thus making him universal in scaling. This logic is dumb asl cuz if the sphere had infinte mass then the moment it’s was destroyed it would have destroyed the whole universe so it def doesn’t have infinte mass. He also said that sukuna would immeasurable speed because gojo moved in the prison realm which has no time, however this scale is inconsistent as gojo needed to use domain expansion against the disaster curses in shibuya where inadvertently hit some bystanders, however if he had immeasurable speed he could have blitz them all.

@@Amaterasu77306 tru dat

​@@Amaterasu77306 no you just don't understand the prefect sphere is pure perfect and only way maho destroyed is because he dosent have infinite ap bt he basically adapt to the material that perfect sphere is made of making him immune to any kind of attack that from the liquid

​@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN he clewrly understood it. Mahoraga scaling doesn't make sense because he can adapt to things and counter them while adapting meaning sukuna wouldn't have been able to do the same things as maho