The things Brightline is doing really has me amped up. As a person living in Florida I now have hope for dependable public transportation in the near future.
Brightline, while very nice and once an exciting idea, has become a huge letdown due to corporate greed. At the moment, $22 for a 30 minute ride between Miami and Ftl versus $33 on Uber door to door on demand service (compared to hourly Brightline service). Sometimes Brightline is more expensive than Uber. And this is for a solo traveler! It's also cheaper to fly from MIA to Orlando and we have great transit options from downtown Miami to the airport
Too bad the ocean is now projected to be 3 feet higher by the end of century. Goodbye south Florida. Seawalls won't work with the porous limestone ground.
Brightline was build with private funding! There were some public funds spent, but it was built on time with $1.8 billion raised from private sources. It is gorgeous. And unlike the person below, I think $17 to go from downtown Fort Lauderdale to Miami on this gorgeous train is a deal. It is only $79 to go from West Palm Beach to Orlando (starting later this summer) in two hours.
@@eddihaskell$80 one way from Miami to Orlando with Brightline is too much. It should be $40. I’d much rather just rent a Tesla Model 3 from Hertz for $48/day and drive myself (and my gf + friends) there and back instead of the $160 round trip Brightline fare. Can also split the cost of rental. You can’t split the cost of a Brightline ticket 🤷🏾♂️
The Miami Beach line should be Metrorail. Metromover is too slow and low capacity for such an important transit link. The best thing about Metromover is the frequency.
I agree with you that the extension to Miami Beach should be Metrorail instead. Metrobus says that it carries an average of 14k passengers a day between downtown Miami & Miami Beach. Those are high enough numbers to warrant a heavy rail expansion.
@@vardekpetrovic9716 Miami already has multiple trains. This is just a downtown elevated circulator system that carries thousands of people a day in a small area.
what is metromover frequency? I was confused with the praise for it in this video since it seems like train level purpose built infrastructure without any of the volume. itd have to be like every 4 minutes to achieve any kind of volume at all
The major issue with most US planing is building transit from where you live, to where you want to go. Far to often they build train stations surrounded by a 2 mile wide parking lot. To the point you'd have to use a car just to get to the train station, and when you get off you need another car or taxi to get any where as it's still a mile or two walk from the station to any where you'd want to go.
I was in Miami in the mid 2000s and I found the Metromover an efficient way to get around downtown Miami. The problem with transit projects in Florida is that it is managed at the county level, and there is a serious corruption problem in Miami-Dade County. A sales tax increase was supposed to be used for transit expansion and was approved in 2002, but most of the money wound up being used to redecorate Miami Dade Transit's main offices. Unfortunately, the voters there, especially the Cuban and Venezuelan immigrants, don't seem to care so long as you tell them how bad Socialism is and remind them that you aren't one.
I mean we care that's why we don't trust public transit projects here. It's like a constant reminder of broken promises by politicians that has our politics frozen in time. Brightline is very well received here so that's the only hope of breaking this stalemate.
One of the problems with the 2002 Transit Tax was they never told the public how bad the Operating Revenue was for Miami-Dade Transit with continual shortfalls trying to keep the Agency afloat. They should have asked for a full Penny tax with half for Operations & the other half for Transit expansion but they thought the Public wouldn't go for it.
@@robertlee8805 Miami leaders wanted a full Penny Sales Tax for Transit but thought it would be too much since it failed before. So they proposed a "half Cent" Tax for New projects like expanding Metrorail, more Bus routes, free Metromover downtown & Seniors & Students ride for free. It passed in 2002 but they used the proceeds to cover Deficits instead.
Metromover is FREE TO RIDE!! Perhaps the biggest incentive is no cost to riders, so hop-on, hop-off is so attractive to locals and tourists alike. Mini mover also links to the Metrorail station at Government Center It’s great for big events downtown where you can park remotely, and then ride to wherever event is. And it’s Air Conditioned, so no sweating in the Miami Heat!!😂Small expansions North would be great, but slow speed means a dedicated higher speed line across the MacArthur Causeway to South Beach.
@@saulchapnick1566 Ah… Let’s see… I’ve ridden the Mini Mover many times and NEVER HAVE HAD TO PAY, so, sounds like FREE!!! From Miami-Dave.gov web site: “Metromover The Department of Transportation and Public Works (DTPW) is actively working to upgrade the Metromover, a free elevated people mover system that operates seven days a week in the downtown Miami, Omni, and Brickell areas. Major destinations include the Miami-Dade Arena, home of the Miami HEAT, Bayside Marketplace, Miami Dade College, and the Miami-Dade County School Board.” (Can’t post links on RU-vid, so do a quick search). It really is a Great Thing for Miami!!
@@saulchapnick1566 no it's free because they realised the cost of maintaining a fee was more than the income from collecting fees so they saved money by scrapping it
For a city as large as Miami, they really need a higher capacity metro system. The use of these tiny pods for large cities is never a good idea because they simply can’t match the space efficiency of a subway or metro styled train that carry 700-1000 people PER SET. This is what Miami needs. Really hope these pods get replaced. Even if it’s something like the trainsets that HART got for their new metro system would work great here.
Yeah. Even just a light metro like whats used in Copenhagen or Vancouver would be a massive upgrade with room for 270 people on each automated train, while still being able to run as frequently as every 90 seconds. Plus also be much faster, the Metromover is incredibly slow.
Miami does in fact have a high capacity metro system, called the Metrorail, that connects neighborhoods with downtown and the airport. This video is about the Metromover, an APM that helps move people around the downtown core.
@@jonathanstensberg oh yeah I forgot about it lol. Hopefully we see more expansion of Metrorail as I feel that would be much more beneficial for a city as large as Miami than the Metromover.
@@CrazyDash9 There are currently plans to extend the Metrorail north up NW 27th Ave as far as Hard Rock Stadium, with construction starting in 2024. Amusingly, the idea is to build the whole line with only the terminal station at the stadium, to speed up construction, and add the intermediate stations later.
The suburban West of Miami needs to develop either a Commuter or a Metrorail dedicated to the suburbs in Dade and Broward County; Sawgrass Transportation Authority like PATH, but for suburbs. However, it comes with challenges as suburbs aren't as dense as duplexes.
@@thedirtybubble9613 i ment that the tri county areas should each have its own light rail system that takes you around each individual county. I think Broward approved one.
Wishing all the best for the people of Florida they all DESERVE reliable, safe and affordable public transit and lively, safe and affordable neighborhoods.
Every state, city, town, and to other mass transits are needed. Imagine heck alot less traffic on highways that could be spent on more of these rail lines instead of widening highways that still have traffic jams.
8:22 to 8:32 These are not medians. They are merely painted "neutral zones" between opposing currents of traffic. The city should let a contract to curb out a median there, remove the pavement inside, and fill it in and plant grass, clover, flowers, shrubs and trees. It would be so much more pleasant for all!
I remember seeing a People Mover in the movie Red Eye. It featured the one at the airport. And Seattle's airport also has a People Mover. But I had no idea Miami had such an extensive People Mover network.
Extremely well written piece, cause a lot people ignore the mass transit that south Florida has to offer. As a resident for 20 years I can appreciate what it has and be disappointed with what it is missing. That being said, the metromover while cheaper and quiter compared to the metrorail is much lower volume. Would it not be justified to expand the metro rail instead in Miami? It has the potential to be a transforming project in miami.
All of Miami's mass transit justifiably deserves expansion, including, as you mentioned, the metrorail. Simply put, the focus of the region, state, and feds is disproportionately beneficial toward highways and cars. If the same amount of money that's been put into those modes over the last 20-30 years were to have been invested in transit, we would have a world-class system. Still, it's slowly turning around and I think that transit is going to see more and more focus going forward.
The US is actually better set up for improving public transport in some ways. It has huge streets with loads of space to add cycle and bus lanes, trams etc. Many streets here in the UK are just two lanes with nowhere to expand into.
Exactly. It was built for people on foot, on horseback, in omnibuses, in trains, in cable cars, in trolleys, and in subways. Then postwar this was all torn down and thrown in the GARAGE so that the "Greatest Generation" could build their drive-in utopia, putting auto-dependency pushers known as automobile and oil corporations in the catbird seat and the rest is histor. Now we have to live in the architecturally squalid dystopia all this has created! 🤬
@@GenericUrbanism Yes, the post-war suburbs were only meant for the car and white people. From college on, I've only ever lived in streetcar suburbs or downtown and it's the only way to live. BTW, most of the world post-war was built for the car, from Australia, the Middle East, to Brazil.
I wish they would expand transit westward yes there are buses but they run like once every hour and take an hour to get to the rail corridors at least dade and broward could improve the bus services please
COMMON SENSE.. HOT SUN, HOT TEMPERATURE,, 🌞 NICE ENVIRONMENT AND FLAT WIDE STREETS,,, I WAS RAISED IN MIAMI AT THE YOUNGER YEARS ON 105 N.W. 83RD ST OFF OF NORTH MIAMI AVENUE.. SCOOTERS ARE THE ULTIMATE WAY TO MOVE.. THOSE NO GOOD CARS ARE A WASTE... NO TICKETS... SCOOTER'S GO EVERYWHERE, CARS DON'T...
I have taken a couple of cruises out of Port of Miami since January and used the rail link from the airport plus metro mover to get down to the Port and back - what a bargain! It is easy to use and quite fast compared to a taxi, to say nothing of the cost difference. However, the airport rail frequency is too little and it's always half empty, I think, as a result. In Canada we have similar links, like Skytrain to downtown Vancouver from the airport and these run every 5 minutes or less and are usually full.
I don’t feel this video answered the question it posed. What does the Miami metro do? What does it mean to “work”? There are lots of videos like this which implicitly assume there is a possibility for displacing private motor vehicles as the primary mode of passenger transit. They only do this tacitly. The metros and transit being built across the US are because the road systems are reaching congestion, thus they increase capacity but don’t replace the car. The Morgantown PRT serves WVU, not the city. By all accounts I have seen and read it is a success, essential to the functioning of the university and has no practicable alternative. You could do a video on why automated transit worked in Miami but failed Detroit and Jacksonville. A video on the proposed conversion of the Jacksonville monorail viaduct to use autonomous shuttles that will also run on a street level network would be very interesting, IMHO.
Well if they’re not gonna expand it to the west, I really hope they do the line to Miami Beach. I don’t like going to the beach bc of traffic and other things but I would love to be able to ride my bike there and have an easy way of getting there instead of sitting in traffic or riding all the way there from my house.
I drive on 5th St and it's very good for cars since its wide. I get your point about sensible streets, but in South Beach especially some roads need to be be at least 3 lanes. But i agree Metromover needs to be extended.
Was there back in January and I took the people movie and the monorail everywhere. I didn't want to take the bus, since I was on the Greyhound for 6 hours.
More priority should be placed on the tri rail and metrorail. They need expansion, more funding, more frequency, and to complement that system the Miami Broward and WBP metropolitan areas would greatly benefit by introducing rapid bus lanes. Sure it’s expensive but c’mon this is Miami, not known for its affordability 😂
I'd hope so. The Metromover is very slow and has very poor capacity. An automated light metro like the Honolulu Skyline, Vancouver Skytrain, Docklands Light Railway, or Copenhagen metro really would be a godsend for Miami.
@@tylerkriesel8590 Are you sure about that? Cause I havent heard great things about the Miami Metro rail, and though the Honolulu Skyline's first phase is in an admittedly pretty stupid place, they're expanding, have the expansions greenlit to complete the route, and the route is actually solid. Plus their system is automated and not built excessively (which would add even more costs to their project).
The biggest issue with public transport in Miami is the lack of upkeep. it's run down, its littered with trash, its a haven for the homeless. Honestly it's slightly embarrassing to think this is what tourist see when they come to Miami. (tourists from all over the world) A city that should be the example and set standards for the USA. Unfortunately it's not. Hoping they pump some money into it and really spruce it up.
The Darth vader quote, I blame memes and parodies more than anything else. Star Wars been quoted or parodied in movies for ages. Some times words are changed to add more context when your not viewing the scene itself. But yeah people often remember things in a way thats not reality.
As a person that has to go to downtown everyday having metrorail and the metro mover is the best thing ever.. only the occasional homeless dude fighting someone
Idk I see a lot of comments saying that they shouldn’t rely on the small carriers that the metro mover has and instead go with the metro rail, which I do agree with, but that’s only if people actually use it. I mean when ultra and rolling loud were downtown the metro mover worked just fine for the large amounts of people there and even when there’s Heat games, nobody is using that shit. Nobody walks downtown any way, I ride my bike through downtown with ease.
all over the US states and cities need to really push pubic transit ad build apartments with amenities below them like small stores and restaurants this would make areas of cities and towns just a better experience for those living there. I hope places really start to say let's spend some money and make things better.
I have seen very valid critique against monorails such as this metro mover, making it about the worst option for public transportation. It sure looks cool but building elevated tracks means high expenses compared to ground level constructions, inflexibility regarding changing the routes and less routes in general. And the commuting capacity of monorails tend to be far less than with ground traffic even with big passenger cars never mind these 12 person mini cars of metro mover. Small capacity means higher ticket prices to cover all those high expenses. The thing this video doesn't even touch upon and which in my opinion would have been the most interesting bit of information is the question how popular this mode of transport is among the local people living there. Would more of people use this if more lines were available to destinations currently not covered? Could this system even withstand an increase in popularity and traffic loads? Is this just some politicians pet project so that they can polish their public image?
30.000... I mean - yes - finally some transit at all. But 30.000 is the number of riders on our least used underground trunk. And there are two more and a suburban rail system with ten times the daily ridership. Middle and long distance connections are not even included. For a city of 650.000...
Amtrak needs to suspend all long distance trains and build proper HSR lines and exclusively run high speed rail let the states run the slower regional trains. CT rail style
Imagine the hubris to see the huge expansive and deep changes to our urban landscape done by car-centric development, and to think that we can simply will the past back into existence. It's some fixation, some modern sickness born out of traits Americans always had, and if you don't do anything to work on adressing that within yourself, you'll quickly reach a dead end or a threshold. Political action is only useful insofar as it is involving people along the way in a process of change. A natural and organic movement springing up from the unconscious. We have yet to see the train industry rebound in America, we used to be almost as fascinated with trains as we are with cars. Children still are, as people who haven't yet been completely absorbed into the culture. High Speed Rail can't and won't be subsidised by individuals in congress if none of them or us have undergone any change or transformation. If the U.S. train industry becomes competetive again, than we can probably expect to see more changes, but we are usually about 30-50 years behind Europe and their baby wave just started growing a decade ago. But who knows, it is so unnatural and unhealthy here, there could be a big reaction. But I doubt it, we can put up with pretty much anything, here.
tbh i do thin the miami metromover is cool i am m ildly annoyed by the fact that they had the perfect conditions for a monorail & built a people mover instead.
Well, considering the cost to build new system (e.g. monorail in this case; can say the same for new surface light rail and streetcars) vs expanding existing system (e.g. #Metromover in this case), it's understandable that the benefits to expand an existing system for some corridors are greater than building a brand-new system with acquiring land for maintenance facilities, etc.
@@Mgameing123 Existing system can also mean #GoMiamiDade's #Metrorail. FYI there are train-like high capacity people movers such as #Mitsubishi's Urbanismo-18 used on the #yurikamome system in #Tokyo, #Japan, #Alstom's Innovia APM 300 used on the Pujiang line (has walkthrough gangways) in Shanghai, PRC (People's Republic of China), Niigata Transys Co Ltd AGT (Automated Guideway Transit) used on #OsakaMetro's #ニュートラム (New Tram) in #大阪 (Osaka), #Japan, etc. Though #Metromover currently is the only driverless automated system until #Metrorail has GoA4 full unattended automated operations. IMO #Metromover could have walkthrough trainsets similar to the Shanghai APM yet the new Innovia APM 300 be compatible with existing #Metromover infrastructure similar to #SMRT's upcoming C801B rolling stock which is the Innovia APM 300 but utilizes their existing APM's AC third-rail infrastructure.
@@Mgameing123 not really, if they're all elevated they can be cheaper, like the metromover is, the problems come if they're not all elevated or if an all elevated route means taking a bad corridor
This assumption that American cities are build for cars is so absurd, it's not even funny. Most major cities data back to the 16-hundreds. Even bloody Miami was established 1896. I don't think I need to mention the invention and the establishment of the motorcar...
Monorails, peoplemoves... Americans are so attached to their cars and gadgetbahns. Miami already has a small Metro, no? So, why not expand that? Conventional trains work much better.
Reality check! Metromover is 30 years old. If it is going to be "Miami's future", why has it not happened yet? Street design and street density are still important, and an elevated skyway is not really popular or helpful. Notice none of your video shows crowds on the Metromover.
There is a reason it is all elevated. Miami is close to the ocean and has a small water table. Downtown Miami actually floods from time to time. You’d have to be stupid to put any kind of rail down on street level.
Please, please, you and ask the other RU-vidrs, please stop suggesting installing bike lanes. A big street is still only so big, and I'm not about to ride my bike next to a bunch of 2 ton death machines.
Thank you, bike lanes just ruin the flow of traffic. Besides no one outside of the weirdo hippies bike in Miami. If you bike you’ll end up wherever you were going drenched in sweat smelling like a pig
