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Here is why Ohioans and Michiganders have a long history of hating each other. This is the second episode of a series with The Cynical Historian examining different state rivalries. This episode's companion piece, why Virginia Hates West Virginia, can found on his channel here: • Why West Virginia left...
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A special thanks to Cody from KnowledgeHub for looking over my script. Here is his video about the topic: • When Ohio and Michigan...
Today, when Americans think of a Michigan and Ohio rivalry, they think of college football. “The Game,” is a major match-up each year between the Michigan Wolverines and the Ohio State Buckeyes. It’s one of the most well known sports rivalries around, mostly due to the fact that geographically the schools are close, and the two football teams are usually both very good and competing for their conference championship. The two teams have played every year since 1918, and the rivalry actually goes all the way back to 1897. At that first game in 1897, In the stands at the game were at least some fans who were alive when their two states freaking went to war with each other, and I’m sure this helped fuel the rivalry. Yep, you heard that right. Michigan and Ohio went to war with each other. But before we get there, let’s go back away.
The story begins with the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which the United States passed to create the Northwest Territory, the first organized territory in the country. It stretched from the Appalachian Mountains to the Mississippi River, between British North America and the Great Lakes in the north and the Ohio River in the south. In order to create future states, the U.S. gave Ohio Country a northern boundary that went from the southern tip of Lake Michigan straight east to Lake Erie. North of this line would be the future state of Michigan. South of this line, the future state of Ohio. However, the cartographers who drew up the map of the border didn’t do a good job. The maps were...how do you say...inaccurate, to say the least. Like this map, which showed the border giving Ohio the entire eastern coast of Lake Erie and even possibly Detroit. During the Ohio constitutional convention of 1802, a fur trapper showed up and said the northern boundary was actually much further south. In fact, south of a crucial waterway out of Lake Erie called the Maumee River.
Well this freaked the Ohioans out. Hoping to push their luck, they went ahead and made the northern border just north of the Maumee River, and hoped the federal government wouldn’t notice when it admitted Ohio as a state in 1803. Well guess what. People noticed. In 1805, when folks tried to establish the territory of Michigan, surveyors, realized the southern tip of Lake Michigan was further south of the Maumee River.
So, there was a classic border dispute. And for many years, the federal government did not step in. Finally, in 1817, it sent a dude named Edward Tiffin to check it out. His team concluded that the border that went just north of the Maumee, as recognized by the Ohio constitution, was indeed the accurate one. The problem, though, was that Tiffin might have been a little bit biased. You see, he used to be the governor of Ohio. So of course Michiganders were gonna protest. Michigan Territorial Governor Lewis Cass went to President James Monroe to ask for another survey at the border. The second team, led by John Fulton, came out to more accurately put the border directly east of the southern tip of Lake Michigan, which was well south of the mouth of the Maumee River.

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@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Who's watching in 1835?
@bonecanoe86
@bonecanoe86 5 лет назад
Only 1830s kids remember
@capnm4078
@capnm4078 5 лет назад
Death to Ohio!
@abhisheksamanta1
@abhisheksamanta1 5 лет назад
How come you get to comment on a 1 hr old video 4 days ago???
@HorrorMetalDnD
@HorrorMetalDnD 5 лет назад
Huzzah!!!
@copperdan1275
@copperdan1275 5 лет назад
How was that comment 5 days ago?
@tencorgmail4075
@tencorgmail4075 3 года назад
Michigan and Ohio: Goes to war Loser: Wisconsin
@295g295
@295g295 3 года назад
7:05 - Did Indiana have a war with Michigan to have a boundary farther north than Ohio? This includes Michigan City into Indiana.
@hejichs
@hejichs 3 года назад
Poor Wisconsin
@honolulublues5548
@honolulublues5548 2 года назад
@@295g295 I don't think so. The land was originally a part of the Michigan territory, but it was a small settlement when Indiana's border was drawn. They probably didn't think the area was worth fighting over because of the size and no plans at the time for a waterway to be constructed.
@toyotasupra174
@toyotasupra174 2 года назад
Just like Nazi Germany vs Ussr with loser being Poland
@thefrogbert6295
@thefrogbert6295 2 года назад
Indiana is the middle child of the Midwest We always forget that they exist
@benjurek4484
@benjurek4484 5 лет назад
Being a Toledo Native, the state rivalry is still a big deal. The city’s allegiance is split about 50/50 between Ohio and Michigan.
@TehNoobSchool
@TehNoobSchool 3 года назад
I can confirm this
@matthewclark7885
@matthewclark7885 3 года назад
Here's an idea, just join your sister city and pledge allegiance to Spain lol (from an Ohioan)
@epistte
@epistte 3 года назад
I love the various billboards between Toledo and Ann Arbor on US-23.
@nlnjb8438
@nlnjb8438 3 года назад
I’m from Toledo too
@295g295
@295g295 3 года назад
2:27 .."Western coast of Lake Erie"
@carlbowles1808
@carlbowles1808 4 года назад
I'm a former Michigan resident. The Michigan/Ohio State foot ball game is a religious high holy day. Everyone is super excited including those who care little for college football. The game is a huge revenue generator and a day of unity. I still root for Michigan though I no longer live there. Hail to the Victor's is the Michigan fight song, I sing it with pride.
@notakittie7285
@notakittie7285 2 года назад
I'm an Ohio kid and I clearly remember being in elementary school hearing other kids chanting "go bucks. Michigan sucks." I'm not into sports but I would refuse to put blue and yellow next to each other when coloring something so my classmates wouldn't think I was supporting Michigan. This rivalry is ingrained in us as kids before we even know where the other state is.
@CrisisMonday
@CrisisMonday 2 года назад
I'm from Michigan and there's also a huge divide between the University of Michigan and Michigan State University. Also the Michigan phrase is "Oh how I hate Ohio State."
@dembuckeyes
@dembuckeyes 2 года назад
@if you read this your gay I diagnose you with gay better at what?????
@lukezawodni9767
@lukezawodni9767 2 года назад
ab so lutely
@AVA-ew6rt
@AVA-ew6rt 2 года назад
Same😭 like when your in class and someone goes “M-“ it’s like everyone starts death staring that kid if they dare say that forbidden word
@EndViolence28
@EndViolence28 Год назад
😂
@kaiserwilhelmii9897
@kaiserwilhelmii9897 5 лет назад
You know who really lost? (Wisconsin)
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Oh snap
@danisnothere3040
@danisnothere3040 5 лет назад
Am I supposed to be glad that I'm not in Wisconsin?
@MarlinRectory
@MarlinRectory 5 лет назад
As a Wisconsinite, I can agree. We lost territory to MI, IL and MN
@calzoneyyy
@calzoneyyy 5 лет назад
The Merry Cilantro same.
@kaiserwillhelmthe2nd773
@kaiserwillhelmthe2nd773 5 лет назад
No poland lost
@devinjerryfreedomisfree4599
@devinjerryfreedomisfree4599 4 года назад
The fact that’s it’s called “the game” gives it legitimacy to be the best sports rivalry. Ik there’s Red Sox-Yankees and Packers-Bears and Giants-Eagles etc but still
@padre619
@padre619 2 года назад
One of if not the best college sports rivalries of all time
@nuclearbomb1032
@nuclearbomb1032 Год назад
I’m Just glad everybody isn’t spamming “only In Ohio 💀”
@aljaberhk
@aljaberhk Год назад
do not sort comments by newest
@morbuskid1720
@morbuskid1720 5 лет назад
Michigan and Ohio where probably amongst the most feirce regiments during the American Civil War, Ohioans actually made up around 20% of the official Union Army between the years 1862-3 but these Early war Ohioans were something fierce. Made up of Irishmen, Italians, and Germans as well as US born Citizens, it did not stand as the most diverse but probably the most dedicated. During Antietam the 8th Ohio Volunteer Infantry led a large skirmish force of around 300 men to capture a hill position from Virginia Skirmishes, successfully pushing them off and then holding that hill which was a crucial overlook position on Bloody Lane. If Those Skirmishers hadn't been taken off that hill then Union forces making the charge would've been harshly pelted in the Flank, taking much higher casualties than actually sustained. What makes Antietam the defining moment for the 8th OVI is the fact that after taking 40-50% casualties they actually regrouped and charged with the main force, being reported to have been the first unit over the fence and fighting to capture Sunken Road. The 8th was then appropriately named "The Fighting Fools" just because of how brainlessly dedicated they were to their cause, almost insanely so. And on Michigan's behalf we of course have Ohio to thank for giving them the name "Wolverines" which was used as a battlecry during the Charge of the Michigan troops at the Battle of Gettysburg, another minor engagement but with much prowess as they had been tasked with recapturing a vital position needed to ensure the Hook would not be compromised. I think when you set beside the childish rivalry, Ohio and Michigan are almost unstoppable together, as they marched together in the American Civil War, I'm not sure if it ever happened directly but sure as hell at Gettysburg there were Ohio and Michigan state troops fighting on the same side.
@Arklay_Ishimura
@Arklay_Ishimura 5 лет назад
See now this is just a fascinating and awesome comment. Absolutely mystifying. (I’m from Illinois and have been to both states on numerous occasions...Michigan more than Ohio)
@morbuskid1720
@morbuskid1720 5 лет назад
@@Arklay_Ishimura If you ever go back to Ohio make sure to stop by Camp Dennison, really interesting place for History, that's where the Fighting Fools regiment was actually trained.
@dewaynecoleman1989
@dewaynecoleman1989 5 лет назад
You probably know this already, but Gen. George Armstrong Custer was born in Ohio, then later was a General in Michigan's 7th Calvary.
@Michigander269
@Michigander269 5 лет назад
Someone's upset about Ohio always loosing.. You had to go back to the civil war just to claim victory, and even then it's only by association lol. Let's be honest, most people in Ohio inherently travel north for a vacation. And every trip I've ever made to lake Michigan I've been greeted with half a parking lot of Ohio vehicles. We still love you guys, but only when you're on our side of the border lol.
@dewaynecoleman1989
@dewaynecoleman1989 5 лет назад
@@Michigander269 We love you guys also. We just don't like that Football Team, whose name will not be mentioned.😁
@violetlightz
@violetlightz 5 лет назад
I’m from Michigan and the only thing we like about Ohio is Cedar Point edit: wow what is up yalls ass 😂
@whoisbrucewayne
@whoisbrucewayne 5 лет назад
And kings island
@calebgepford7646
@calebgepford7646 5 лет назад
yeah
@YoungMasterCarson
@YoungMasterCarson 5 лет назад
My favorite part of Ohio is leaving it.
@jaywalt8418
@jaywalt8418 5 лет назад
The zoo is cool too🤣
@brittnay279
@brittnay279 5 лет назад
Columbus was pretty nice the few times I visited...I mean the rest of the state is pretty boring though. Especially after you drive home from like Florida or something and you’re like damn Ohio can you please get the fuck outta my way.
@jaredschemanski3294
@jaredschemanski3294 Год назад
Michigander here, we definitely came ahead with the UP. as for the rivalry, sports might be how most people not from these two states think it manifests. In reality it is deeper than that. When a Michigander meets someone from Ohio, there is usually an awkward pause or some joke like "sucks to be you" or " I'm sorry". Now this is usually in jest nowadays as I have many friends from Ohio, particularly Toledo. It is a regional thing you can't understand if you weren't born to it.
@its_me_rikichi
@its_me_rikichi 2 года назад
I'm from Michigan and we went to the capital of Lansing on a school trip in 5th grade and we learned about the Toledo War. Ever since then I like to bring it up in conversations about the Michigan/Ohio rivalry.
@kaelalist9656
@kaelalist9656 5 лет назад
I love that the Wolverines actually got their name from Ohio saying that michiganders were "as fierce as Wolverines". Also they covered this in third grade in Michigan.
@quasicroissant
@quasicroissant 4 года назад
tbh the wolverine is way too cool of an animal to be an efficient insult, they should've gone with the raccoon or something. Rat's also a classic option
@kaelalist9656
@kaelalist9656 4 года назад
@@quasicroissant I don't think they were intending for it to be an insult so much as an actual description of their ferocity in a fight.
@quasicroissant
@quasicroissant 4 года назад
@@kaelalist9656 No, I don't think that's it. I don't doubt you were told that in school, you know, in Michigan, but I'm pretty sure the intention was to compare michiganders to a vicious pest. Ferocity in what fight, exactly? Like the video says, there weren't actually any fights in the Toledo "war".
@CarringtonMorgan3342
@CarringtonMorgan3342 4 года назад
I used to like both Ohio State and Michigan because they were both very interesting football teams and I don't know who to pick honestly for football.
@LuckyLefty92
@LuckyLefty92 3 года назад
Yea we were taught this in elementary school in Michigan
@josephbrandsen9105
@josephbrandsen9105 5 лет назад
Michigan got the better deal, until the advent of No fault auto insurance in 1973.
@Yophillips3272
@Yophillips3272 5 лет назад
Sounds like a good idea but Michigan has the most expensive auto insurance in the country.
@gallagher831
@gallagher831 5 лет назад
I pay 209 a month just for my car insurance if I was in florida it would be 60 bucks or less one car.... fuck no fault insurance
@brittnay279
@brittnay279 5 лет назад
Jeremy Gallagher $60?! What if you get into an accident and get found at fault? Can the other person sue the shit out of you? Does $60 insurance actually insure anything? I’ve only ever had car insurance in Michigan
@Yophillips3272
@Yophillips3272 5 лет назад
@@brittnay279 min coverage at least in Ohio, protects you from getting sued as an individual to a certain point. Anything after that you can get sued but if you can barely pay car insurance and don't have any money what are they going to sue you for? I think most people get full coverage insurance to protect their car more than worried about getting sued. Most people that get min coverage get it because if they get pulled over without insurance they will get a ticket and their car towed. It's all kind of a scam to be honest. Guess it depends what end of the stick your getting. Don't quote me on anything.
@gallagher831
@gallagher831 5 лет назад
Also in michigan 7 day insurance just enough time for you to register your car plates then next week no car insurance 1 out of 4 driver dont have insurance in Michigan I wonder why
@williamward446
@williamward446 Год назад
In the 1970s, there was a group in Ohio that wanted to build a tunnel to Canada under Lake Erie so that they didn't have to drive through Michigan... Also, Michigan has the largest and best system of State Parks, and in the summer they are filled with people from Ohio looking for a great place to vacation...
@alex-dj3of
@alex-dj3of Год назад
Michigan is more like parkland
@theflats2058
@theflats2058 4 года назад
I am from Flint ,but I love Ohio, every time I go there the people treat me good, I had great times hunting apple orchard on a family farm,thank you David for great times!!!!!!!DOUBLE D,:S FOREVER
@anthonywiththew
@anthonywiththew 2 года назад
Flint 4L
@johnnyonthespot4375
@johnnyonthespot4375 5 лет назад
Here is a consideration : I have traveled this country and lived in 14 different States over those years and although we are all Americans do not kid yourself, people are distinctly different in different States but growing up in Michigan I have been a full part of that fun Ohio/Michigan rivalry but, having spent considerable amounts of time in Toledo and other cities these two States have the exact same people in them. You can take a person from Ohio and move them to Michigan and not a soul would notice....but take a person from New York and put them ANYWHERE and they would be noticed .
@zachmurray4005
@zachmurray4005 5 лет назад
Lmao, well said
@carlbowles1808
@carlbowles1808 4 года назад
I agree with you michiganders and Ohioans have much in common. I'm a former Detroiter.
@emily0071000
@emily0071000 3 года назад
Places with the biggest rivalries are often the most similar
@luke69420
@luke69420 2 года назад
@@emily0071000 I know I’m from a different country, but, In Ireland there’s a huge divide and rivalry between north and south dublin. The two peoples are incredibly diverse. Almost like they are from separate countries, within the same county.
@fennettproductions4511
@fennettproductions4511 2 года назад
My dad is from Michigan but has lived in Ohio the past 30 years. My mom is from Cleveland, and me and my brothers are all born and raised in columbus. You'd never know my dad is originally from Michigan 🤢
@mousetreehouse6833
@mousetreehouse6833 5 лет назад
This may not be relevant, but did anyone notice the 1897 Ohio football uniforms look like old timey prison outfits???
@quanbrooklynkid7776
@quanbrooklynkid7776 4 года назад
damn
@acw102574
@acw102574 4 года назад
Mouse Treehouse yup
@patwithacat2424
@patwithacat2424 4 года назад
Uhhh football was all like that from 1898 they didn't have uniforms dumb shit but i like Michigan as a state but in football you guys take stuff from 1890s football when everyone has the same uniforms which is dumb as shit
@noahtaylor6374
@noahtaylor6374 3 года назад
I saw your state comparison videos and I was like oh this one better be on there
@mikefontenot826
@mikefontenot826 2 года назад
Wooo the “the game” shoutout was amazing lol
@mjpottertx
@mjpottertx 5 лет назад
As someone originally from Ohio, I think Michigan clearly won, as Ohio was forced to keep Toledo.
@EvanHartenburg
@EvanHartenburg 5 лет назад
Toledo is the best city in Ohio fight ne
@TheSkyrimps3
@TheSkyrimps3 5 лет назад
Evan Hartenburg hell no, cincy and Columbus are both better.
@dubvuchyea502
@dubvuchyea502 5 лет назад
Toledo is the worst city in the state unless you are wanting to join a gang, sell drug or scrap metal
@jules.s-treehouse
@jules.s-treehouse 5 лет назад
Yeah my family lives in Toledo and I live in Dayton, toledo is ghetto and crusty
@austinmorrin3788
@austinmorrin3788 5 лет назад
So Toledo is one of the most geographically centered recognized cities in the US to live in due it’s close proximity to dozens of different economic centers. TOL-EDO
@andrewgin9658
@andrewgin9658 5 лет назад
I'm from Ohio and can tell you that probably 99% of the state doesn't even know about this - I know I didn't. But it's interesting history behind the rivalry that's just always been there.
@Adri_Unsung
@Adri_Unsung 5 лет назад
Andrew Gin lmao they teach it in elementary school history class in Michigan!
@AliP1970
@AliP1970 5 лет назад
I'm from Michigan and don't recall having heard about this before. Not even in elementary school history. What that could be either my age or my location in the state. I've lived here all my life
@TheStunlocker
@TheStunlocker 5 лет назад
From Michigan myself and I certainly remember it from elementary school. I tell people about this "war" all the time and no one believes me.
@whattheysayk9558
@whattheysayk9558 5 лет назад
Goes to show you how Ohio sleeps on my city
@bigkkm
@bigkkm 5 лет назад
The first three words say it all.
@kitkat53ftw
@kitkat53ftw 2 года назад
Toledo history is so amazing i live this, good video am!
@tzyijiang9884
@tzyijiang9884 3 года назад
I heard about this war from one of my colleagues when I worked for the Copper Country Mental Health Center at Houghton in Michigan's Upper Peninsula between 1988-1991. I was wondering if either of you would make a video about it, and here it is.
@dogetheswaggy3830
@dogetheswaggy3830 5 лет назад
As an Ohioan, I can confirm there's a lot of rivalries. You can't even wear anything that has a little bit of "Michigan colors" on it without getting yelled at.
@bobriemersma
@bobriemersma 5 лет назад
The real "Michigan colors" are green and white of course.
@alic1aa
@alic1aa 4 года назад
Bob Riemersma nah that’s Michigan state, Michigan colors are blue and yellow.
@joeyhilliard5323
@joeyhilliard5323 4 года назад
STRAIGHT FACTS
@LoganJenkins442
@LoganJenkins442 4 года назад
Doge The Swaggy when I drive through Ohio I get out at a hotel DRESSED IN MICHIGAN CLOTHES
@Raqqqqq
@Raqqqqq 4 года назад
As a Michigander the same thing happens here except if u were at flint detroit or Saginaw you would get shot at
@jessebiedlingmaier3976
@jessebiedlingmaier3976 5 лет назад
I'm from Monroe Michigan, it's right above Toledo. We learned about this conflict in school. The only thing Toledo has that Michigan doesn't is nice roads with no potholes.
@Paranormal_unhinged
@Paranormal_unhinged 2 года назад
HA TAKE THAT! (No offense)
@CrisisMonday
@CrisisMonday 2 года назад
So true
@hotsauce32309
@hotsauce32309 2 года назад
Nah we do not have nice roads
@hotsauce32309
@hotsauce32309 2 года назад
Atleast where i am in toledo
@sweatyfrog8005
@sweatyfrog8005 2 года назад
Yo I’m From The Same Place, Monroe
@Neo10011
@Neo10011 Год назад
When I first saw the background for mr.beat I instantly recognized the fifth third bank skyscraper made of straight glass from the glass city.
@go0p_juice
@go0p_juice 4 года назад
I live in Michigan...... on sports day at school once I wore a Ohio state jersey , the kids said it was illegal. I just wanted to wear my grandpa’s jersey 😭
@loyaltonotredame2160
@loyaltonotredame2160 3 года назад
dang
@triggerhappy124421
@triggerhappy124421 5 лет назад
Im from Michigan, though im an MSU grad. I will say that more people remember the toledo war than you might think since we are taught it in jr high school, its just not relevant today since its almost 200 years in the past now. The state rivalry (at least in michigan) extends to many jokes about Ohio.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Yeah, I figured they'd teach it to the public school youngin's. Did you have an entire semester or year of Michigan history?
@maxhouskamp5270
@maxhouskamp5270 5 лет назад
@@iammrbeat of course! Shit in elementary school it was all Michigan history. It was boring at the time but in sure glad I listened
@fromthehaven94
@fromthehaven94 5 лет назад
We get a lot less snow, especially the lake effect kind.
@lockheed6859
@lockheed6859 2 года назад
Michigan state the team we hate(UofM
@marulemaster8329
@marulemaster8329 4 года назад
So the Toledo strip is why we wisconsinites have to have less land and Michigan on our border!?!?!
@jimmytheshadowleviathan7243
@jimmytheshadowleviathan7243 3 года назад
Ohio is mad too But hey, we got toledo
@honolulublues5548
@honolulublues5548 2 года назад
Yep, if Ohio had given up Toledo, Wisconsin would have the UP, however, the current state lines might have been different elsewhere. The Mississippi might not have been the border for most of the state.
@thebandit0256
@thebandit0256 2 года назад
You want some wine with that cheese
@theoffbeatninja610
@theoffbeatninja610 2 года назад
Cry more, cheese-head. Lol
@laerr
@laerr 2 года назад
New war unlocked: Wisconsin taking over both Michigan and Ohio
@dalesimons1966
@dalesimons1966 4 года назад
I am a resident of Colorado now but I grew up in Michigan. With the acquisition of the Upper Peninsula I believe Michigan got the better deal. (No offense intended to Toledo) The Michigan/Ohio State rivalry is epic though! My mom who was not a football fan AT ALL watched and paid attention to this game. Bless her heart ❤️ she did not understand football but that didn’t stop her from routing for Michigan!
@michaelparr1023
@michaelparr1023 4 года назад
I'm from Michigan and remember learning about this in elementary school. We still don't like Ohio but it's more of a friendly rivalry now. We do like Cedar Point though :)
@beefcupcakes5959
@beefcupcakes5959 2 года назад
As a Michigander, the only thing I like about Ohio is Cedar Point XD
@anthonywiththew
@anthonywiththew 2 года назад
Dude I literally have lived in michigan since u was 3 and never learned this
@beefcupcakes5959
@beefcupcakes5959 2 года назад
@@anthonywiththew That's odd, I learned about it in seventh grade. It should be in your curriculum...
@anthonywiththew
@anthonywiththew 2 года назад
@@beefcupcakes5959 I know, I'm going into 8th maybe I will learn more then
@beefcupcakes5959
@beefcupcakes5959 2 года назад
@@anthonywiththew Okay saying you never learned something before even being in High School isn't a great idea XD Don't complain until you graduate lol
@Ayastie
@Ayastie 5 лет назад
Im from Michigan and even people who don't like sports talk crap about Ohio all the time. I mean it certainly is no coincidence that our worst great lake we have is the one we share with Ohio ;)
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Ha! Well interesting to know. I may have to make another video just comparing the geography, as sort of a sequel.
@fanyfan7466
@fanyfan7466 5 лет назад
Oct Vestale I’m also from Michigan, can confirm
@peterf4620
@peterf4620 5 лет назад
Oct Vestale Yep! This is so true! Lol! Go Blue! 〽️
@peterf4620
@peterf4620 5 лет назад
epic food reviews Yes! Gotta represent the Motor City! 313 represent! Support the big three. Ford, GM, and Chrysler. I’m a big Detroit sports fan. Detroit’s economy is mostly manufacturing and automotive.
@infinatious
@infinatious 5 лет назад
from Ohio and it goes both ways
@blanith
@blanith 5 лет назад
Michigander here. Other than being raised with a general distaste for our neighbors to the south, the only practical effect of the legacy is that there is a widely believed bias that Ohio officers will take any excuse to pull over a Michigan plate. This might be for the practical reason that people from out of state will just mail in a ticket with payment, but it still seems sinister.
@martind349
@martind349 5 лет назад
Docility has its honor.
@ryanx9372
@ryanx9372 5 лет назад
It's because the highways are unsafe with you stuck in the fast lane refusing to go to right lane with slower traffic when possible.
@hleeannl6905
@hleeannl6905 5 лет назад
When we had the old blue plates, I called it the Blue Plate Special, since I knew the Ohio troopers were looking for our cars on the way to Cedar Point
@Aracelerii
@Aracelerii 5 лет назад
We have the same bias down here.
@brittnay279
@brittnay279 5 лет назад
I have been pulled over in Ohio with Michigan plates on my way through...I just thought every state pulls over out of state plates, not just Ohio Oh and they said it was because I was following the person in front of me too much...I had to explain that I was literally following them home. Didn’t think that was a great reason to pull us over but we didn’t get a ticket so whatever
@rebekahdemars3457
@rebekahdemars3457 2 года назад
I live in Perrysburg connected to Maumee so I love this video
@tommytwofingers64
@tommytwofingers64 2 года назад
It would actually be crazy if you did a video on Toledo. I know Toledo isn’t what it used to be, but we’re starting to come back, and Toledo has a lot of history to talk about tbh. Just something to think about.
@lizleart
@lizleart 4 года назад
I’m from Ohio and honestly I’ve never understood the “rivalry” we have. Anytime I’ve asked about why everyone hates Michigan I’ve just gotten a “because there Michigan”
@itsmeheathermarie
@itsmeheathermarie 4 года назад
I'm from Michigan and honestly, same thing, but visa versa. I think it's all a bit silly
@patwithacat2424
@patwithacat2424 4 года назад
Same
@TeethOfDead
@TeethOfDead 3 года назад
AND THATS A GOOD ENOUGH EXPLANATION. “O-H!!!!”
@emerylsg
@emerylsg 3 года назад
@@TeethOfDead "I-O!!!!"
@paulanocero1364
@paulanocero1364 3 года назад
It had to with a land grab both states wanted
@stalkinghorse883
@stalkinghorse883 5 лет назад
That was a pretty quick break. Did you wash your hands?
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Don't tell anyone, but I did not. I just used hand sanitizer.
@PierreaSweedieCat
@PierreaSweedieCat 5 лет назад
@@iammrbeat Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!
@carultch
@carultch 3 года назад
@@iammrbeat Missed opportunity to make a joke about Michigan looking like a hand.
@HollowHusk
@HollowHusk Год назад
As someone who lives near Toledo, we’re well aware of this war
@justinb864
@justinb864 3 года назад
I lived in Toledo for about a year and attended the University of Toledo. Ended up dropping out and moving down south, but I liked Toledo. It was a neat city, if you know which parts you're best to stay clear from if you're an outsider.
@jasonfire3434
@jasonfire3434 5 лет назад
When Toledo is supposed to be the big prize, did anyone really win? I kid
@imaidiot4766
@imaidiot4766 5 лет назад
bahahahha
@blairforce1755
@blairforce1755 4 года назад
Yeah Michigan did. U been to Toledo?
@richardclifford003
@richardclifford003 4 года назад
I live outside of Toledo and have to drive thru it to get to work. It's a frickin cesspool. I recently looked up the numbers, based upon the FBI's annual crime report (2015). After crunching the numbers, I discovered that, per capita, Toledo has a higher murder rate than Chicago. Mostly due to gang activity followed second by family members who apparently hate one another.
@TheMissingLink2
@TheMissingLink2 2 года назад
@@richardclifford003 What a shitty comment... Toledo has like 1/12th the population of Chicago at best. A few murders skews the numbers hard against it..... For example, say 50 people were murdered in Toledo, while 1,000 were in Chicago. Toledo has a population of 250,000. Chicago proper alone has over 2.5 million people. The metropolitan area is almost 10 million people. For Toledo that's 1 murder per 1,000 people. For Chicago that's 1 murder per 25,000. That SOUNDS like a better rate but the reality is FAR more people were murdered in Chicago than Toledo. It's 20x more. The best part about my example is that the numbers I pulled out of my ass are accurate to the number of murders each city has.
@richardclifford003
@richardclifford003 2 года назад
@@TheMissingLink2 I stand by my statement.
@TheSilverRaven13
@TheSilverRaven13 5 лет назад
I'm from Toledo, and we learn about this in school! It's so good to see it on a RU-vid channel! Thank you!
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Toledo represent, and thanks for watching :D
@ryanx9372
@ryanx9372 5 лет назад
@joshuamelvin1767
@joshuamelvin1767 2 года назад
I grew up in Zanesville, OH. I have never heard of this before now.
@smitty6119
@smitty6119 2 года назад
I live in upper sandusky far south from toledo but i do believe my grandpa told me that his grandparents when they moved to ohio herd about this dispute and started owning fields by little ditch streams cause he wanted to help out the state we still own 2 of these fields by a ditch along my road its really cool you can still find areo heads cause the land my great great grandfather bought used to be an indian reservation aswell before Americans moved in and started the state
@tonyclark3913
@tonyclark3913 5 лет назад
Michigan shakes fist "You F-ing guys!" Ohio "Did he just call us Buckeyes?" And now you know the rest of the story. Good day.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Great history. Bad history, but great history. :)
@Aracelerii
@Aracelerii 5 лет назад
I'm just going to try to imagine what would happen once Ohio finds out what Michigan actually said.
@michellp1909
@michellp1909 5 лет назад
@@Aracelerii we already have.
@talonsage954
@talonsage954 5 лет назад
Oh, I miss Paul Harvey.
@talonsage954
@talonsage954 5 лет назад
@@Aracelerii Nothing. We don't take shit from Ohio and they know it.
@Atlas-bw1ju
@Atlas-bw1ju 5 лет назад
as a ohioan from toledo, i can say that i enjoy the glass city
@patrickaalfs9584
@patrickaalfs9584 4 года назад
@MrBeat. Just wanted to say this was one of the more comprehensive histories of the Michigan/Ohio rivalry. Stephens Mason is seldom ever mentioned, nor is his distinction of being the youngest elected state governor. Congratulations.
@mellisabecky1582
@mellisabecky1582 2 года назад
Hello Patrick , sorry for intruding your privacy hope you don’t mind ?
@mellisabecky1582
@mellisabecky1582 2 года назад
How are you doing
@adamcrofts9903
@adamcrofts9903 4 года назад
I’m from toledo and we had to do a report on history of our area so i used your vid
@donovanphillips419
@donovanphillips419 5 лет назад
419 born and raised! People really don't give Toledo the credit it deserves. Best minor league sports city in the country. Epicenter of mid-western college football. World renowned zoo and art museum. Beautiful historic neighborhoods. Great parks and rivers. Short drive to the beaches on Lake Erie and Cedar Point. Downtown area has gone through a massive revival over the last decade. Overall a fine place to live by me. Go Rockets!
@robertbruce7772
@robertbruce7772 2 года назад
Toledo is a very nice place. As a Michigander I like the Toledo Zoo a bit more than the Detroit Zoo. Mud Hen games were very fun as well. Michigan and N Ohio is MAC central. Go Eagles!!!!
@patrickfair9107
@patrickfair9107 Год назад
Same here 419 all my life except for a short stint in Florida. Lived there for 3 months before I got so homesick that I had to come back. People say that Toledo is a bad place and the people are bad but at least I knew how to handle myself here and knew how to interact with the people. Oakdale elementary East Toledo Junior high and Waite high School back in the '80s thru the mid-90s. There's no place like home. Interesting tidbit of info; canal Street in Toledo still has parts of the old canal system underneath the road, hence the name.
@LowQualityProductionsInc
@LowQualityProductionsInc Год назад
Why would you put our area code
@circleinforthecube5170
@circleinforthecube5170 Год назад
like every city doesen't have historical neighborhoods, everyone claims there historic architecture is unique in the midwest but its not that different from other midwestern historic architecture (those main street buildings and a neoclassical city hall is extremely common)
@amandaguzman-moreno3965
@amandaguzman-moreno3965 5 лет назад
I’m a Michigander but I love hocking hills! Awesome spot
@violetash9597
@violetash9597 5 лет назад
Amanda Guzman-Moreno Agreed!
@hillocat101
@hillocat101 4 года назад
Grew up in Michigan and I knew about this. I did not know a so called war broke out but I knew about the land dispute leading to the current state rivalry.
@jeffm9770
@jeffm9770 2 года назад
You should do the bridge closure rivalry between NY and NJ
@greatlakesdoug6121
@greatlakesdoug6121 5 лет назад
I grew up and still live on the border of Michigan and Ohio (just north of Toledo) and this little tidbit of history was taught to us in elementary school. Look up the "Lost Peninsula." Its a little piece of land that is only accessible through Toledo, but is actually part of Michigan even though it's only physically connected to Ohio.
@joyebriggs
@joyebriggs 5 лет назад
Michigan got the more valuable deal. Although the UP is closer geographically to Wisconsin. Now it makes sense as to why that bottom part of our shape is irregular.
@mikebronicki6978
@mikebronicki6978 4 года назад
But did you notice that the Indiana line is even further north than Ohio's?
@danielkinney1845
@danielkinney1845 3 года назад
Great series call How the state's got their shapes I saw on Netflix talks about this. I was born in Flint Michigan but have lived in Roanoke Virginia for about 25 years. I miss the cold weather and snow.
@dillon6413
@dillon6413 3 года назад
No you don’t.
@mellisabecky1582
@mellisabecky1582 2 года назад
I miss the cold weather more 😊😇,Hello Daniel Sorry for intruding your privacy Hope you don’t mine .
@mellisabecky1582
@mellisabecky1582 2 года назад
How are you doing
@danhayden6049
@danhayden6049 2 года назад
I live in northern Michigan. Traverse city area. The upper peninsula has lake superior which is a huge bonus.
@scottman895
@scottman895 5 лет назад
I remember learning about the Toledo War back in the day although I can't remember if it was in school or if I just found it online one day. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed this video. It's always interesting to learn more about the history of both Michigan and Ohio. They are the two states I am in the most! Great video!
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Thanks Scottman! I love your channel. My wife and I watch it all the time. We should collaborate some time!
@scottman895
@scottman895 5 лет назад
Thank you very much! I am glad you have been enjoying my videos! A collaboration sounds like a great idea. I'll be up for it!
@auntkittyhashtag2321
@auntkittyhashtag2321 5 лет назад
Michigan here, we got the better deal by far. Our U.P. is breathraking.
@user-cf6dn5tg4f
@user-cf6dn5tg4f 5 лет назад
Michigan here, up is a lot of abandoned land
@auntkittyhashtag2321
@auntkittyhashtag2321 4 года назад
@Tim Smith Hell ya. I'm proud of my Canuck heritage. 7th generation here. Ya got a problem with that idiot?
@Toolingabout
@Toolingabout 4 года назад
It rakes my breath away
@RestingBitchface7
@RestingBitchface7 4 года назад
Too bad you have to be wealthy to live in the UP...when most of the State is destitute.
@p7outdoors297
@p7outdoors297 4 года назад
@Bill Ter Burgh Oof BTW, it's yooper
@justinobambino1199
@justinobambino1199 Год назад
It’s so cool seeing that map from the 1835 all those streets are still present in modern day downtown
@BZ0905
@BZ0905 3 года назад
Growing up in Northwestern Ohio, you are taught from childbirth to hate 1. The Michigan Wolverines 2. The Detroit Tigers 3. Michigan Drivers
@scoob42
@scoob42 4 года назад
I am a Toledoan (Maumee is pronounced MAW-MEE) and I’ve heard many stories about the Toledo War and this is a great video showing a bit of the history of this area.
@HerbGamer0
@HerbGamer0 5 лет назад
I think Michigan got the better deal in the end. Though that might have to do with me being from Michigan. Also great video Mr. Beat!
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Thank you so much!
@BigLobster44
@BigLobster44 5 лет назад
Agreed for the same reasons, Michiganian’s represent!! 313 for life!!
@samyentertainment3086
@samyentertainment3086 5 лет назад
@@BigLobster44 ayyee
@travelerofthemultiverse9444
@travelerofthemultiverse9444 5 лет назад
Agreed. Probably for the same reason. However also we got the larger territory.
@Ballinbmac
@Ballinbmac 5 лет назад
HerbGamer who wants to be from Ohio? Even lebron left them twice 😂
@alexjacobs3441
@alexjacobs3441 3 года назад
That water route was a pre-contact major trade route coincidently (or not) from Poverty Point Louisiana to Cahokia (East St Louis) and the Ohio Mound Cities and along Lakes Erie & Ontario are found artifacts, seeds & trade goods. Also coincidently were Mayan Trade Canoes or Barges that most likely traded at Poverty Point & other sites. That whole Northwest Territory was also a battleground and site of resistance during Pontiac's Rebellion, Little Turtle''s War, Tecumseh's Western Alliance and Black Hawk's War. The Natives fared pretty well in these conflicts but circumstances worked against them as US forces rebuilt after 1781 & 1814.
@swagchadd6925
@swagchadd6925 2 года назад
At least up until around a couple of years ago that river was a massive deal for a company called Andersons which transported farm goods to any state that the river touched
@SiVlog1989
@SiVlog1989 5 лет назад
I first heard about the Toledo war in the Van de Graph video about weird US borders (in that video he also mentioned about why the Kentucky Bend exists and why Alaska is cut off from the rest of America by Canada amongst others). The more I find out about US history, both political and geographical, the more hooked I get :) Great video as usual Matt :)
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Thanks buddy. I didn't know about that video. I found out about Knowledgehub's video as I was making this one, and felt bad as he is actually from Toledo. So I reached out to him and had him read the script...and he did btw! Cody is a great guy.
@johnnykanogear5607
@johnnykanogear5607 5 лет назад
The u.p. all day possibly the best land in the country
@joegarrison5911
@joegarrison5911 4 года назад
I think parts of Montana, Colorado and California would have something to say about that
@Buddergolem2525
@Buddergolem2525 4 года назад
Agreed
@ivanthegreat2.070
@ivanthegreat2.070 4 года назад
I think the Upper Peninsula should become a state. It would name Yooper, have a legislature elected by proportional representation, a prime minister elected by a five man directory which would act as governor's, and be divided into 3 substrates in the North, South, and Equator.
@khalilt6508
@khalilt6508 4 года назад
Ivan the Great 2.0 I think there should be a North Michigan and South Michigan it would be like the Dakotas and the Carolinas. It would be the Michigan’s Dakotas and Carolinas
@ivanthegreat2.070
@ivanthegreat2.070 4 года назад
@@khalilt6508 Alright then, I guess the name Yooper can go.
@moddrrrusky2910
@moddrrrusky2910 4 года назад
I can’t believe you said Ohio instead of Ohio State! Anyway good video, had no idea about the war.
@RogerClarkII
@RogerClarkII Год назад
Being from Michigan we were taught about the way in Michigan history class in middle school. In fact, we used to say that the directions to get to Toledo were, 'south 'til you smelled it, east 'til you stepped in it.'
@bonecanoe86
@bonecanoe86 5 лет назад
Holy Toledo!
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Batman. And quality first comment.
@siamiam
@siamiam 5 лет назад
@@iammrbeat the guy who was stabbed became a holy man
@MrZZ-py4pq
@MrZZ-py4pq 5 лет назад
I thought the states was UNITED.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 5 лет назад
Before the Civil War, not so much.
@PierreaSweedieCat
@PierreaSweedieCat 5 лет назад
@@iammrbeat After the Civil War... Not so much either. Due to politics.
@mathieuleader8601
@mathieuleader8601 5 лет назад
DON'T BE SILLY
@evannfisher737
@evannfisher737 5 лет назад
@just Bfree No, that's mainly metro Detroit. Oh, and you forgot methheads.
@talonsage954
@talonsage954 5 лет назад
Nope. Not Ohio.
@lawsonrohde5712
@lawsonrohde5712 2 года назад
Ohio guy here, always been interested in the ohio Michigan war. Cool stuff. It would've been nice if you elaborated more on the Two Stickney incident though
@PlurFW29
@PlurFW29 3 года назад
You should do the Red River War
@justinberry6160
@justinberry6160 5 лет назад
You’re in my home town, Toledo! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
@motor594brain
@motor594brain 5 лет назад
MICHIGAN GOT THE BEST DEAL!!! (Might be a bit biased, I’m from Grand Rapids MI)
@wildchaser9892
@wildchaser9892 4 года назад
I’m in Ohio and I find ways to be biased as much as I can to Ohio but I still think Michigan got the way better deal.
@chaboi7
@chaboi7 4 года назад
I was born in cleveland but I'm from good ole "grand raggidy" aka "gunru" aka "gunrule"....from the burton heights....
@angelvenegas483
@angelvenegas483 4 года назад
I’m live in Holland Michigan like 40 minutes away on Lake Michigan
@FirstLast-il6ok
@FirstLast-il6ok 4 года назад
GR!
@hannahmeixner6616
@hannahmeixner6616 4 года назад
Oh hey! I also live in GR but I was born and raised in Columbus, Ohio
@rosenberry9150
@rosenberry9150 2 года назад
Fascinating.
@kta0702
@kta0702 4 года назад
Born and raised in Michigan . Love it to pieces it’s beautiful but I just recently moved to Columbus Ohio for a change of environment. I’ll check back in a few months to let they guys know what I think
@syd7607
@syd7607 5 лет назад
I actually live in toledo and have literally driven through the maumee river, no idea it was important so that's pretty cool
@DemiGoddess16
@DemiGoddess16 5 лет назад
The fun part of being an MSU fan is that we get to hate both teams!
@trevorbrown3600
@trevorbrown3600 5 лет назад
PopPunkPerson and MSU is also so irrelevant they hardly ever get mentioned when it comes to rivalries. Ohio State is rivals with Michigan and Michigan is rivals with Ohio State. And MSU fans say they’re rivals with both but really nobody cares about the "MSU rivalry" as much as the real rival game.
@DemiGoddess16
@DemiGoddess16 5 лет назад
Trevor Brown damn boy take a breath it ain’t that deep 😂
@LoganJenkins442
@LoganJenkins442 4 года назад
But both teams kinda hate you too
@coloradopeoplesnews7676
@coloradopeoplesnews7676 4 года назад
@@trevorbrown3600 But my Spartans are the only team that has beat the suckeyes in about a decade. What's irrelevant is the team that ALWAYS loses to the suckeyes.
@coloradopeoplesnews7676
@coloradopeoplesnews7676 4 года назад
@@trevorbrown3600 Did you enjoy your 18 point dunking on Sunday? Dunk you very much.
@zweltzcited4852
@zweltzcited4852 4 года назад
We don’t hate each other we’re like brothers who fight a lot
@Paranormal_unhinged
@Paranormal_unhinged 2 года назад
As an Ohioan who lives VERY close to Michigan I am very disappointed to let my Michigan friend have his moment this year. I will say the TENSION is real
@michiganscythian2445
@michiganscythian2445 5 лет назад
There was also another chapter in the rivalry in 2008-09. Some movie that was supposed to take place in Detroit, was filmed in Cleveland. So there was some snark about Cleveland being run down enough to pass for Detroit. Then some Cleveland rock band wrote a song called “At least we’re not Detroit!” as a riposte. This was around the time Detroit declared bankruptcy too. Plus the rivalry of Cleveland’s early rock scene in the 50s-60s vs. Detroit Motown. Oh, and despite everything bad with Detroit, at least our river doesn’t catch fire. Seriously for those who don’t know. The Cuyahoga River in Cleveland has caught fire many times
@carlbowles1808
@carlbowles1808 4 года назад
The river is green and the tap water smells like fish in Youngstown.
@roguestorm9669
@roguestorm9669 2 года назад
Eh, so our river caught fire, so we have shitty rappers (cough mgk cough cough) but one thing I will give Cleveland is that it has a wonderful sense of energy. Sure the East side can get a Lil rough in places, but we've also got Little Italy, The Flats (great place to go bar hopping), one of the largest cultural centers in the country, (between the culture gardens, museums, house of blues) as well as some great people. I mean come on if you can put up with the Browns for decades that has gotta show commitment.
@maximaldinotrap
@maximaldinotrap 5 лет назад
>Be Ohio >Call Michiganders Wolverines >Meant to be an insult >Michigan takes it as a compliment Ohio forgot how badass wolverines are.
@stevenseelig945
@stevenseelig945 3 года назад
The only thing that I think of when you speak of Wolverines is the marvel character. I don't think about anything from the state of ichigan
@Robbie-pc1dl
@Robbie-pc1dl 3 года назад
copy paste here: Michiganders
@jjfishman4228
@jjfishman4228 2 года назад
As someone from MI I'm happy we got the upper peninsula, it's beautiful and a great place to vacation without leaving the state.
@dianedunkelberger2105
@dianedunkelberger2105 Год назад
I grew up in Perrysburg, OH which is along the Maumee River and across the river from the city of Maumee. I am also a descendent of William Austin Burt. Look him up in the history of the UP. I grew up having learned about the Toldeo Strip War. There is more to the story than you shared. I'd also be happy to help you with the pronunciation of Maumee.
@robertbuckler445
@robertbuckler445 5 лет назад
Ohio is clearly the winner because we have Toledo's Tony Packo's.
@grantrawlins1915
@grantrawlins1915 4 года назад
Thank you im from Toledo and after seeing all these yoopers screaming about the u.p. I needed some Toledo luv ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@soysauce2263
@soysauce2263 4 года назад
NGL I've never had Tony Packo's
@gusbus5227
@gusbus5227 4 года назад
Nope Ohio lost they got Toledo that's a shithole of a city
@Dave12753
@Dave12753 4 года назад
No
@gusbus5227
@gusbus5227 4 года назад
@@Dave12753 yes it is have you ever been there scary I live in Columbus I've been there a couple times it kind of sucks
@prestonscott3935
@prestonscott3935 5 лет назад
As someone who has lived in both Detroit and Toledo, I find this one quite interesting. I far prefer Michigan. I've experienced a minority in each state with a ferocious dislike toward the other state.
@karlmohr3748
@karlmohr3748 5 лет назад
Go to the UP and you’ll learn how to hate both
@maggiedoster8582
@maggiedoster8582 4 года назад
Ohioan here, I had never heard of the Toledo war before this. I spent the last 4 years near Toledo for college and went there pretty often. The thought that there was a war over Toledo is honestly pretty funny to me lol also O-H
@andrewsutherland133
@andrewsutherland133 2 года назад
I've said this before, but if each state were their own country, it would be interesting to consider which states would've been at war with eachother
@txyz9294
@txyz9294 5 лет назад
Interesting you never mentioned a word about General Anthony Wayne who commanded a Federal militia sent by President Jackson. A main thorough fare in Toledo is still there named after Anthony Wayne called the Anthony Wayne Trail.
@jrswaney01
@jrswaney01 5 лет назад
Or the result of the failed federal mission, namely the draining to the Great Black Swamp.
@tbird1991
@tbird1991 2 года назад
@@jrswaney01 now we have a driving school named after the black swamp
@tbird1991
@tbird1991 2 года назад
And a school system
@alexanderlapp5048
@alexanderlapp5048 Год назад
Detroit is in Wayne County. Just thought I'd add something else names after General Wayne.
@cameronh2888
@cameronh2888 5 лет назад
As the great president Abraham Lincoln said "Thank God for Michigan"
@PeruvianPotato
@PeruvianPotato 4 года назад
If you're looking for more state rivalries, you should look at Iowa vs Missouri that went to war with each other in 1839 over their border
@genericinterneter
@genericinterneter 3 года назад
Being from Ohio I think the real reason why Michigan and Ohio State hate each other is the two college football teams are rivals
@MattKremer39
@MattKremer39 5 лет назад
9:28 Ohio *State* Buckeyes Ohio University is in Athens.
@Joe-km5ou
@Joe-km5ou 4 года назад
Ohio University is the college that my parents went to and I plan on going to
@makinnak3010
@makinnak3010 5 лет назад
Oddly you're missing one small thing. University of Michigan's little sister Michigan State University also has a heated rivalry with both U of M and OSU, creating a triangle of "who's better" given the sport of whatever season it is. All three schools are main stays of any given sport (football, basketball, baseball, hockey....ect)
@drtee51
@drtee51 4 года назад
Have you ever covered the Honey War, between Missouri and Iowa Territory? (You alluded to it in your Worst Governors video) Or how about the Pig War, between Washington Territory and British Columbia? Ot how about the Conch Republic, down in Florida? Or the Bridge War between Oklahoma and Teas?
@kennedyhuff
@kennedyhuff 2 года назад
This is one of my favorite "local" parts of history. I summarize it to my friends like "Michigan and Ohio tried to go to war so the government gave Michigan our land".
@alex-dj3of
@alex-dj3of Год назад
Bs michigan
@michaelschardine3043
@michaelschardine3043 5 лет назад
This is so interesting thank you so much for the post! I had no idea! I live in Grand Rapids Michigan currently but originally from Cincinnati Ohio. I love both equally but MI for sure won with having the UP
@calebgepford7646
@calebgepford7646 5 лет назад
SAY MI IS BETTER SAY IT
@oldaccount7935
@oldaccount7935 5 лет назад
accidentally clicked this thinking it was a mr beast video but ended up learning a lot 10/10 very nice
@ryanx9372
@ryanx9372 5 лет назад
Hi Mr DeVito! I loved "Drowning Mona"!
@1982kinger
@1982kinger 3 года назад
I was in Michigan for a tigers post season game once and all ppl could talk about was the upcoming Ohio state game with Michigan
@marpsr
@marpsr 2 года назад
Ohio State grad here. We used to have bumper stickers that looked like Michigan’s “Go Blue” stickers but ours said “Go Blow.” Also there were bumper stickers saying Muck Fichigan. Having a Michigan sticker on your car was a sure way to get the paint keyed.
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