Why Minecraft Abandoned C418's Music... 

True, the new composers arent bad

Yeah i mean lena raine has made bops

@@RmationYT I mean have you seen Lena Raine's work on Celeste? Yeah that's a top notch musician!

@@therealno_one lena raine is goated bro, closest thing we came to minecraft og soundtrack\

​@@mastersgenjimain nowhere close to c418

Thats called a job. You get paid to make something. Doesnt mean you own it.

@@user-in8qh3zf9d sure which is why its always better to work for yourself.

@@user-in8qh3zf9d Thankfully not every legal system encompasses your view. Creative work is protected even against employer leeches

@@MariaM11 Explain how are employers leeches when they are paying the employees' wages (even when they slack off)?

@@user-in8qh3zf9d this is such an off topic question but if employees are slacking off its the employers responsibility to employ qualified ones and his responsibility to control and coordinate them. Employer obviously is able to terminate the labour contract since the primary obligation of the worker is to perform the work and follow orders from employer. Workers slacking off, making mistakes, causing damages is employers responsibility as he has to coordinate his work force.

I used to turn it off but for the last few years, I play with music on and I am grateful for C418 composing it, LET HIM BACK!!! (I mean without him having to submit rights to his music to Microsoft bruh)

Bring back C418!!! The GOAT 🐐

They're mid for the most part; most don't fit with c418's music, but there was one of the recent ones that did an alright

They’re good music but very different from c418

@@timewarpdrive77it’s two different styles yes, and it’s two different people, but I do really love the new discs

@@timewarpdrive77they are different artists, that have different styles. It is stupid and hurtful to expect someone who’s completely unrelated to make music or any other kind of art thats the same as others else’s. Please see the new musics for what they are and not for who created them or what style they fit.

​@@jonasg.bisgaard1086Piss off with that sanctimonious drivel.

no sh|t sherlock if a forest fire breaks out, it'll be almost immediately taken care in response some say it's inevitable, some say it's the obvious outcome and some say it's *fate* ... GRAND ORDER!

Oh absolutely, that's probably one of the reasons that Micro$oft won't let him release it. It would become too popular. Already Micro$oft really seems to be pushing the mediocre new music, though the community is still obviously fixated on the old stuff. It would only amplify this effect if the 3rd album released.

@@StuffandThings_ They wont "let him"? Its his work and they have no creative control over him.. which was the entire point of this video. I doubt they are stopping him.

As they should. C418's work is as close to divine as it gets. It is so emotionally charged in a way most music can't do. I hope to hear it one day.

@@finsfan90 It's a copyright thing I bet. If the album was meant for minecraft, and since microsoft owns the rights, C418 would probably face legal consequences. Undeserved legal consequences.

Gotta love it when people ramble on about something they definitely don’t understand

I like some new songs, but I hate that they’ve basically replaced most of the old songs.

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk you're kinda right, I don't know the in depth stuff about music but it's just an opinion at the end of the day

I totally agree, the new songs almost feel “loud” and “prominent” if that makes sense. I like them on discs but it doesn’t fit the ambience.

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk I wouldn't say that 2-3 lines of text is a ramble.

Was an honour as always

I knew I recognized the first voice I just couldn’t put my finger on who it was. Great job!!

134 likes and 2 comments?! Let's me fix that

I’m not going to question why rabbert is here, but epic!!!!

What? I thought Barnes did all of it

100% but I feel it strayed a little too far away from the purpose of the ost 🙏

@@BarnesReal The purpose of the OST has changed. You can't say it strayed from the OST when it literally is the OST. It's also a disc rather than an ambient track, and discs are known to have totally different moods than the ambient music.

@@SpikeShroom 💯

@@SpikeShroom100% and again. The music of Minecraft is subjective as I said 🤷. Pro change and pro nostalgia. The disc was too different from the rest in my personal opinion and it felt like an outlier compared to the rest :)

I think Pigstep works fine as an easter egg Disc. Besides it's not like all Discs fit perfectly with the rest of C418's music. I'd argue that disc 11 is pretty iconic as well and it's almost the complete opposite of the rest of the calm and soothing soundtrack.

He was my fifth lol

@@NotTheBomb respectable

That's only BECAUSE you are so USED to the old songs. The new songs definitely do fit the newer tone of Minecraft.

@@Key-Knight87Yeah, even then I love all of the songs in minecraft. New and old.

Yeah, I find they don’t fit, and it seems like they just play over and over again (possibly due to being biome-specific since you don’t leave your biome while building your base) while not being as repeat-friendly as C418’s music. I don’t dislike the new music, but I don’t like it either, and it becomes a little annoying to hear it repeat itself for the third time. And it’s not just nostalgia either, since I actually liked Volume Beta even when it was new. Honestly, it feels a little like when Super Meat Boy got new music after the bad blood between Edmund McMillen and Baranowsky. The new composers may be very talented and may have proven that in previous games, but here their music just feels out of place.

Here is the thing... It doesn't fit to be honest as Minecraft itself is very repetive, but doesn't mean it is bad. When you have not very "loop friendly" songs it sticks out like a sore thumb. I would love an option to disable newer songs and keep purely the older songs. If made that a staple so that people don't complain about X. songs in the go or Y. Songs. @@Key-Knight87 It's also a case of. Have a group of people enjoy X songs from 2009 till now. It's a slap to the face. Biome specific songs are a bad idea in my opinion as if you are a builder this makes it irritating while if you are an adventurer this works. The best approach is enable vs. disable per album and songs. As minecraft to the core is a Sandbox.

@@Key-Knight87nah. I havent heard a single C418 track in my new survival world at all and Ive been playing it for ab a week…

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@@pyerack In general, the algorithm seems to favour small creators more, I consistently get videos with less than 100 views in my recommendations.

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Don’t worry, it did. 3/4 of a million is pretty good!

@@NotTheBomb So wild, I had no idea until I read this notification. Awesome and wholesome!

He could call the album "Venture"

Pigstep should be playing automatically when you enter bastions and you just see them all jamming out so they are annoyed you broke up their party

@@KenanTheFab hell yeah let's add minecraft to the list of games where you stay in the evil biome because the music is just so banger

@@comet.x shoutouts to pokemon black and white's low hp bop wounded and injured animals has never sounded so good

Lena Raine's music honestly is perfect for the Nether. It perfectly fits the mysterious yet melancholic vibes of that dimension.

Fully agree. I think Minecraft has just been around for long enough that people are beginning to get blinded by nostalgia. I adore Lena Raine's additions to the OST. I also feel like a little kid again every time I hear songs like Wet Hands and Subwoofer Lullaby. I think part of the charm of Minecraft is the childhood nostalgia mixed with new things to explore and blocks to build with every time I come back to it. If I want it to feel just like how it did when I was a kid, nobody is stopping me from selecting 1.7 from the launcher. Microsoft isn't always going to make the best choices for Minecraft, but I really dont think that allowing musicians other than C418 to contribute to the soundtrack is *destroying* the game. It's just...different. The reasons are dumb, but change in itself is not bad.

​@@LilChuunosuke But on the other hand, a lot of people come back to it for the nostalgia. I remember feeling very put off by opening minecraft again after multiple years of not playing, and getting the new music blasted in my face. It's the annoying thing of live service games: everything has to continuously be updated, instead of just allowing people to easily experience the game as-is. If they had put a nostalgia switch in the menu to only keep the music to ambient (keeping the new music in music disks, but the main themes old), it'd be a different story in my opinion.

@nanderv the problem with the nostalgia switch is that everyone is nostalgic for a different era. Some are for alpha, for me it's 1.9.1. I still remember people complaining that horses felt too much like a mod, but the first time i ever played on PC was literal days before they were added, so I'm not really nostalgic for a minecraft without them. And they sorta *do* have one in the sense that you can quite literally go into the launcher and play any version of Minecraft you want. You can pick which version is your favorite and play that forever.

Lena Raine has been doing brilliantly so far, both pigstep and other side are generally regarded as some of the best music disks in the game. I only wish we could still have C418 doing some work on it as well.

Well put, exactly what i thought. ❤

Thechnically the aquatic update songs are exclusive to their sea biomes

Was looking for this

i was about to say: pther then dimenscions, creative and aquatic, that's bullshit, though itd be cool.

@@luisgalizia "technically" they're just exclusive to being underwater, anywhere

I thought so too lol

that part of the video was weird to me.

I mean tbh I understand that decision. It’s what Mr beast has created now a days you need to hook ur viewer with in the first sentence of the video. Thus saying something obnoxious that makes the viewer hooked. Sad reality but it made the video go “viral”

Legitimately but the second I heard the new music after opening up minecraft I hit the "c418 only" music pack as fast as possible.

It sucks

Wow, that would really be interesting!

@@Dragondude1imagine being so wrong it’s funny

@@thecutesylveon0292 Imagine being so right some people laugh at it

@@luis-sophus-8227 oh yea real bold coming from someone like you with that pfp

Me too 😂

I listen to it while playing Beta 1.7.3

If you haven't listened to his album 'One', then drop whatever you are doing right now and do so.

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Lena Raine didn't try to replicate C418 at all. Honestly, just listen to the Celeste OST, specifically "Quiet and Falling". You'll immediately notice that they fit very well with Lena's Nether tracks almost interchangably. You could easily slot the nether Nether Tracks into Celeste and Celeste tracks into the nether and it wouldn't feel out of place. Which IMO shows just how good of a composer Lena is, being able to make good music in her own identity.

@@rheokalyke367 Yup, couldn’t agree more. And that’s why I think the expectation that the community put on Lena to replace C418 was very unrealistic. I mean, she technically took his place as the main composer, but people were acting like they wanted her to emulate his style or something, which wouldn’t have worked and probably would’ve been weird. I’m totally okay with people disliking her songs in the Minecraft soundtrack, it’s just this particular critique of her music that feels misguided to me.

you are wrong but thats ok

@@arkeeelr3733lena raine is a girl.

how is he wrong?@@kushina5682

All animosity should be towards microsoft, I agree

I'd say it's all good music, but not a good fit. That being said, I'm still salty about the adventure update for a similar reason, and that was before Microsoft's takeover, so not sure if my opinion is worth anything.

I don't like most of the new tracks, they sound off and out-of-place. But that doesn't upset me, what pisses me off is that this is a wildly easy fix. Why isn't there just a settings tab where you can disable whatever tracks naturally play in your world? Why isn't anyone asking for this?

well yeah, its not their fault, but unrelated to that their music is garbage in comparison

all opinions are valid, but im surprised to hear someone going so far as to call them garbage. im hearing mostly good things about them. theres definitely some nostalgia at work for alot of these folks. i kinda feel like its an objective fact that evry new song in trails and tails is better then , for instance, droopy likes your face lol @@Helperbot-2000

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Really interesting to feel that split in the community, as one side feels they want this new change Whilest the other wants something more old school

⁠@@BarnesReal I’ve been playing Minecraft since beta 1.5 and I like the songs the new artists have made and of course the original. When a new song is made and is for a music disk I expect something different and fortunately not jarring. When new music is coming I mostly worry about the ambient music that plays in the background where the music is there but not the focus of what’s going on what I personally about is with all the recent updates being about adventure/exploration that future music will no longer be calm ambient music and more grand think Breath of the Wild for an example. That’s what concerns me the most change is good especially to keep the game going but I hope we don’t lose the ambient music entirely and we’re left with something that sounds like a different game’s OST was just slapped onto Minecraft or music that’s from the uncanny valley so close but something is just off.

Bro did NOT look at the sheet music he used, or the credits for the thumb inspo, OR the background itself.

i assumed that part of the video was metaphorical and not literal.

you mean he?

@@cunt8814 Your name checks i see

@@cunt8814 what a fitting name you have buddy.

Nice video

Excited to see more content from your channel- I hope my comment didn't seem like an attack, its just my viewpoint on the situation since a lot of it is subjective

I agree that there is a divide between nostalgia and the ones who apreciate the change when it comes to the minecraft soundtrack and I in fact did not study music, so I can't argue about music on the same level as you. Still, I think that the anyone who listens to music can say something about how it makes them feel and even if they can't pinpoint where a certain difference between two pieces of music lies, they can tell if they feel different about two pieces of music or not. I think that this divide that youve shown in this video is portrayed in a more extreme way, than it should be... Maybe I interpreted the "If you hear the whole reason, you'll never touch minecraft again" from the intro too seriously, but I still got some points to criticize (not hate), so I wrote a comment somewhere down in this comment section...

@@timsudmeier6482 yeah that was mainly just a hook to keep people watching, add some shock factor to the intro to keep em going :)

​@BarnesReal another thing I noticed is the frequent use of the word "wrong" to describe more recent minecraft music. Using language like this to describe something as subjective as music can be polarising. I really enjoyed the video and appreciate the massive amount of work that went into it, but in the future maybe take into consideration the slightly negative tone of your videos. Looking forward to the future of your channel!

Why would he need to collaborate? He does better work than anyone else for the game so far

Thats great that you like c418s music (I wish I did), but I never enjoyed it myself When I was very little I found it boring and simple, so I would alwaya play with the music off (that's why I don't have any nostalgic ties to the music) hence why I still dont enjoy it to this day. I do, however prefer the newer songs because they feel fresher

​@@mouthwaterin If you like the new ones, you'd love space exploration games

I would still argue that Lena simply does not know how to make ambient music to the same degree that C418 did. I don't have an issue with the evolution of the sound (Wending and Left to Bloom are actually as close to what I can imagine "new" minecraft music being and I enjoy it) but I still think that it dwells in the forefront far too much to fit what we've come to expect from minecraft's music. I think it draws far too much attention to itself during gameplay when it should really just be background music that you almost forget is there

@@MnemonicHeadTrip I'll concede that point. Honestly I don't mind her music being more openly present, especially since the first set of music she did was for the nether update, and it helps the atmosphere feel strange compared to the very background music of the overworld

No, none of them do. they are too upbeat. it's like putting a pop band in a classic orchestra concert

It's because discs literally are there to stand out. I don't put a jukebox in the room for ambient music. C418 always sucked so hard at discs and I had mods specifically for music discs back then. I want to play music in my tedious chest sorting room to make it less tedious.

​@@Dragondude1 That's not how I'd describe the nether music. You're just forcing your view of the artist onto it

That's because it's the year 2023 and a very low amount of people laugh at it nowdays

Absolutely. As much as the new music is great and all, the ambient soundtrack it once was isn’t the same anymore 👀

Imagine mindlessly hearting comments 💀💀💀

@@JustaRandomDunceIf you used your noggin, you’d realise that Barnes has been hearting comments like this because they are valid critiques. He’s been doing it with replies too, replying to them as well in a polite manner.

saying that C418's sound IS MINECRAFT and that the other artist's music doesn't fit, isn't some insult. That's entirely up to the customer to decide for themselves. Talk about being sensitive...

He never did. You're just a Lena fan boy who can't handle criticism against her. Fact is, they were in competition, at least as far as Mojang was concerned, whether you like it or not. And players preferred C418. Stop trying to shed your childish anger by aiming at someone doing nothing but documenting the process. He didn't criticize individual artists in any way, just their music. Which he is more than allowed to have an opinion on.

​@@midslamif he wants to criticize it, he should criticize it by its own merits, not by how much it sounds like C418

well it is a popular video now lol

@@gabsol7397 Then I'd be happy for the creator.

Because a lot of it is just repeating the same thing over and over. "C418 made minecraft music that felt minecraft because the music was minecraft which made it unique to minecraft"

As the description says different people narrated Ain't that crazy of a concept for like minded people to chip in

is this skin available somewhere?

Old Minecraft was a gnomish and mysterious world. I liked it better before they started trying to add lore, before villagers, before the more "realistic" terrain generation.

Thank God someone else knows what they're talking about. Notch had the spirit, something a megacorp like Microsoft and their do nothing team even knows about.

Microsoft definitely ruined this game. It's soulless now. I loved the caves and cliffs update, but pretty much everything else has been garbage.

​@@thelegacyofgaming2928 nether update is garbage to you?

When is it coming out?

yea, similar from this video's thumbnail from 4 years ago I think: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9EvH-2e5at4.html

Read the description

It’s just a proof of concept altered, I’ll drop it in tho :)

it's better to take inspiration than to make an entire channel around lifting off of other's success

Completely valid! I tried to be as unbiased as I could be from the extracts that where out there by real composers as I was one my self for a while but always love to see other perspectives!

Pigstep and Otherside are music discs. They only play if you want them too. Why would you need to turn off the game's music?

​@@ooccoo1 Because the music doesn't fit the game... if that's the case, I turn off the music and start a playlist instead. It does not matter if it is a music disc or whatever, I do not want the music to ruin the game experience.

@k11n Just don't play those music discs? Regardless, even C418's music discs never really fit as an ambient soundtrack to Minecraft, and that's because they never were intended to be. They're completely optional and they act more as their own stand-alone pieces of music that only play if the player intentionally puts them in a jukebox.

@@ooccoo1 who talk about music disc? You know that her tracks are in the normal background as well...

@k11n I'm well aware that her tracks play in the background normally as well, but I was specifically talking about the music discs pigstep and otherside. Even you acknowledged this... "It does not matter if it is a music disc or whatever".

10 years... the new musics are for new players

Thank youuuuuu

I love that one among us video that you made two years ago, really inspired me to make this!