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New music sucks because most of the musicians are not very good at playing their instruments, the singers are not very good at singing, and the lyrics are whiny and written for 12 year old girls. Oh, by the way, Rock Music peaked long before the 2000s.
@@midnight-2021Exactly. I mean people who consider content lost and heavily lost focus compressed ruined noise good will never know how to appreciate true art. Keep getting brainwashed by media and mainstream, do and listen to what people want them to, poor empty souls. They can't even finish listening to song that's too long, just like falling asleep listening to orchestra.
Eh, it’s always been like that though. For the people in the comments here who spend a lot of time on music it may seem that way but it’s always been that for normies. They blast music while they focus on something else.
For some, sure, but like all trends it'll eventually die, and also like all trends there will continue to be people who never buy into it and hated it all alone. In the case of vibe music, the hate is justified because it's so bland. It's like oatmeal without flavouring, but at least oatmeal is good for you.
If you want elevator music, Vaporwave from the middle of last decade is actually superior to the current charting tracks. At least that can be enjoyed ironically.
If I recall, "Shoegaze" was actually coined by a critic of the genre. The bands were literally gazing at their shoes because of how often they hit the effects pedals.
I mean moreso because they need to find the right pedal since some of them have these insane 5 foot wide pedal boards with a crazy amount of pedals that they layer for different sounds. Shoegaze technique is mostly barre chords and tremolo picking but they get interesting soundscapes by layering pedals
I forget who it was, but about a decade ago someone said ‘in 20 years most songs will be less than 2 minutes long and only heard in the background as you go about your day’. Seems it’s happening even faster than they thought.
I'm a late Gen Z musician who never in my lifetime used or even considered using TikTok, and the main takeaway for me is that you should make whatever music you like, because the market is so saturated that there's audience for literally everything. Vibey music might be big (since around mid 2010s) but big hooks still make billions of views (Dua Lipa, K-Pop). I consider TikTok aesthetics a big bubble and there's life outside of it.
I'm almost 50 and what shocks me is how genuinely interested my 20s coworkers and acquaintances are in my music recommendations. I've gotten so many people into older artists, from Wu Tang to INXS to the Stooges to the Talking Heads to Fiona Apple. They have genuine enthusiasm for older stuff, especially deeper cuts from people they may have heard but never got past the top two or three most popular Spotify tracks. I have no problem being the old man who shouts at the cloud. I own it. I still believe music can make a rebound, but as long as people are more concerned with fitting in and not seeming uncool or dated by calling new stuff out for being weak the harder that will be. Music without emotion won't connect with people, and there's way too much trendy production without any underlying soul. Don't get me wrong, stuff like that has always existed, it's just that now it's such a high proportion because of the algorithms and people trying to play it save and stay squarely in genres.
There’s a major stigma on calling out new music in any way. Especially online, if you express any criticism or negativity people come out of the word works to call you boomer and somehow try to act like the new stuff is actually superior and of equal quality. I feel like this makes a lot of people afraid to speak up.
My work literally banned me from queuing music on the speakers because the HR woman got pissed at me for playing Cannibal Corpse, and I said straight faced that I don't even consider it to be heavy (which was true I listen to 10x heavier)
I just turned 50 and agree. My 12 year-old needed a favorite song for a list on her sheer team. She chose Losing My Religion above everything else out there. She listens to music with me on the road to and from practices and competitions. We usually listen to SXM Faction Punk, 80's on 8, 1st Wave, and Lithium. I also listen to rock from the 70's and 80's, like Heart, Yes, and Ozzy, and she loves them all.
So true. Maybe we are in an era that needs a revolution. Like Elvis, The Beatles, Nirvana or a whole new thing like Rap or Freestyle. It will come back. Good stuff is underground these days. It will pop back up again. Always has always will
You can blame TikTok for making it worse, but the trend started before then. RU-vid had an impact, and Instagram had an even greater impact. When you are consuming multiple forms of media that require auditory attention, music that grabs your attention is less well suited than music that doesn't. Even back in the 2000s I knew people who would put music on while they were watching sit-coms and I always thought they listened to the blandest music, but I was actively listening to everything at the time and they wanted a vibe in the background. TikTok introduced an interesting twist where a video has 3 seconds to grab you attention before its gone, so hooks still have a place, but that forces TikTok into something that requires more active engagement and requires the background to compete for less attention.
@@michaelbodalski tik tok is lowering the attention span of a whole generation. They watch a few 100 in a few minutes and nothing of what they saw has any relevance.
This is depressing. Some of my best memories are literally sitting around with friends obsessing over music, going to endless rock shows at the community center, and planning my life around trips to the music store in the next town over. It's sad to think my daughter wont ever experience some of this.
Same, I spent my teenage hours listening to lotsa music back in the day. Actually stayed up on school nights flipping in between different genres of radio stations enjoying all the music. Can’t remember recently wanting to do that! I get that I’m older, but no one is inspiring to me musically! It’s depressing!
I was practically raised by my sister, who was very much alive during the emo days. Cuz of her, she has successfully raised an emo who wishes her teen years were in 2000's, not 2020's
James 359: Is that what's depressing? That she won't be able to go see a bunch of on- life -support acts with her dad? Did you and your friends get together and share a love of Steve Miller Band and The Beach Boys? What's depressing is that kids are losing the experience of having something that is for them and bonds a generation. You think these kids will be sitting around talking about post Malone and the avengers movies like old f*cks talk about pink floyd or black sabbath?
Probably why Metal has survived for over 50 years and will still be around 50 years from now. I asked my little 12yo brother who likes everything which he would rather hear... A random metal song or random pop song. "Metal" was.his immediate response. 🤘
Artists don't want to make art, they want to go viral. Listeners aren't listening, they're consuming. And culture becomes just a trend. Boycott all this shit. Support real art.
i'll never get people who say this. in this day and age there's such an unthinkable abundance of music that you'll literally never be lacking for something new that also suits your tastes. and whether or not that something is fashionable shouldn't really matter. at least it doesn't matter all that much for me. like who cares if the mainstream is all about lofi background shit these days? if that really matters to you all you need to do is give it time and the tides will change, as they always have. art doesn't have any "progression" just constant change. just my 2c. sorry if i came off rude.
Foolproof something and you'll likely find someone foolish enough to break it, whether it be deliberately or by mistake. Smoke detector neglect, anyone?
Right on. I just had a 'conversation' with a 19-year old on a forum. They asked something about something I know alot of, so I answered in detail. It was eight sentences. They replied 'Bro I ain't reading all that thats a fucking essay'.. It's quite sad in my opinion that someone doesn't even have the attention span for reading a few sentences on a topic they ASKED about.
@@evabakker so basically your ego is wounded because you proudly pontificated about a subject that you were highly interested in, but the other fellow, not so much. Sounds like some neurodivergence there. I get it. I used to talk at length to my mother(a Boomer) about X-Men and not a word of it sunk in until they made movies.
I feel like people don’t actually want to listen to music anymore. I grew up in the 2000s, and even the pop music of the time, (which nowadays I can’t stand modern radio pop almost as a general rule) had something memorable to it that got me to actually listen and thus I still remember a few of those songs and artists fondly today.
I grew up in the 2010s and I absolutely loved music from the early/mid 2000s (so at the time only 10 or so years ago) and I still do. I really didn't like the pop music I grew up with in the 2010s but thought maybe with nostalgia I will look back at it fondly in 10 or so years. I do not. There's just something "off" about music since the very late 2000s I cant really put my finger on it.
Most of my life, I only liked to listen to instrumental songs. Even with 1 and a 1/3 of a year, I can understand the things that can be done right and wrong with musics with lyrics. One thing that I can say, though, is that contemporary musics with lyrics sure do lots of right things, and lots of mistakes that aren't really noticed.
Most of what is considered mainstream is mundane and boring because the labels can make more money promoting something that’s safe and accessible. The Bands and Artists that will be remembered are the ones who prioritise taking risks and trying something new that pushes the boundaries.
@@TheSalPic Most artists who take more risks have more niche cult followings and don’t have the same mainstream success that previous artists would have been granted with. You can draw similarities to the hair metal era with rock music but the mainstream nowadays doesn’t welcome new movements like they did with grunge.
This whole idea of the labels having that much control over what is released doesn’t make a lot of sense though with streaming being the predominant format of music consumption. Most artists make all of their stuff in a bedroom and practically make whatever the hell they want to and release whenever they feel like it. They don’t have to care about what radio or MTV wants. They only care about their fanbase and nothing more. The labels, meanwhile, recognize this and only really care about whether or not the albums and work created can make up for all of the money invested into the artist’s career (remember, label advances are loans meant to pay for studio time and album that have to be paid back with interest which means most artists are broke and in tons of debt). The best compa I could make to your point is how a lot of fans of certain automotive focused RU-vidrs like Scotty Kilmer will complain about the reliability of new cars without understanding how much more reliable EVs are and how big of a shift they will create in the industry. The old paradigm is gone and a new era has arrived but a lot of people simply don’t understand what has happened.
Yes to all of this. I own a dance studio and we keep using older music because we literally can't dance to anything new. It's becoming more and more frustrating.
what genres do dance studios play, if the music is new vs old? legit curious. doubly so since there's so much retro pop these days (from like 2007 onwards - i remember first hearing O'Spada on Myspace) that sound like 80s or 90s pop
So, can you only dance to 4/4 time signatures? Or can you not follow a beat when they use less traditional kick and snare sounds? What gives? What has technically changed in music that inhibits you from being able to dance to it now? You LITERALLY can dance to modern music, you just don't LIKE to do so.
that music is still there. those are your standbys, and that's great, and that should be valued. you shouldn't feel frustrated about new music not doing the thing you wanted, especially when you don't even have to go that far back. do it for the dance, not to do the dance with the latest hits.
The chorus in "The News" from Paramore's new album always get stuck in my head. I've been a fan of them for about 12 or 13 years and i love that their not afraid to change up their sound in albums despite the possible backlash they may get from old school fans. They kinda just go for it.
I could never enjoy music produced by anyone who exploits their employees and treat them like dirt in public or private. That girl and her family will have to pay the piper when the time comes.
I've said this before, but I believe that the 2020 Pandemic is what really kicked a lot of this off. With people spending so much time working doing business from home, it makes sense to me that their preference would make an eventual switch to something more for the back ground vs. something that is lyrically going to be taking their focus off of their work. Another reason I think this could be the case is (again) with people spending more time at home, including a lot of musicians, it kind of pushed them into a different place and gave them an opportunity to create something different than they normally would have, for better or for worse.
@@witchyraptor I never said that i think it "went bad".... I think it just went different. I enjoy the vibe-music of the last few years just as much as the catchier songs with hooks
@@witchyraptor Music sucked fifteen years ago, then briefly got better (still not great but somewhat better) around a decade ago for around five years. Now we are back to the bad old days of the late aughts.
I gave up on it a long time ago, late 90s it turned to shyte for me, especially with autotune but since then its gotten far worse to the point I find it completely pointless and unlistenable and dont understand the mentality of anyone who does listen to it, they must be brain d3ad. No other explanation.
This explains why Daft Punk finally quit making music. People are detached from music. Just a random thought. While technology and social media is wonderful, it also shoves out some of the beautiful aspects of what came before. Totally hit me in the gut, Finn, when you mentioned sitting and listening to an album and looking over the album art and stuff. Man I miss that.
It is why I started collecting vinyl and repurchasing CDs. The physical aspect connects me to the music. From the act of picking out and spinning up an album (and flipping over) to holding the cover or case and looking it over. Plus, I actually own that piece of music and it takes time and effort to sort, store, clean and maintain them to justify the costs I put in sourcing and purchasing. I don’t just consume music, I have an interaction with the form it has been delivered on. But of course, on the go it is digital all the way.
I am sorry, there are still tons of bands who make music like that and who put a lot of thought and heart into their art work. But i do not see them mentioned ever on channels like this one or any other halfway decent music journalism around here. Every band that gets mentioned is either a million record selling artist or a name you hear everywhere, even if you do not care one bit about them or their music. But if you are naming Daft Punk to begin with, maybe you don't care at all about any of what i have to say or any of the bands i could name. I am/was part of the experimental music scene in Vienna both as a musician and live sound guy and i have done the sound for hundreds and hundreds of bands who play in front of 5 to 100 people and they are absolutely incredible! So every time i see a video like this or a comment like yours with the "i am missing the days of listening to music and looking at the cover art", i just have to open my mouth.
@lowandodor1150, yes, but, see, the problem is that those bands are not receiving the kind of attention they deserve, which is why they're never talked about. The crap Top 40 artists that are usually held up as the example of today's music, are the ones who are unfortunately, receiving all the attention & accolades. Good to know underground music scenes apparently still thriving, though. That gives hope for the future.
he actually fucked up. He used gvf master to show "the meandering of a song that goes nowhere" , completely opposite - that song is super powerful , he just has screwed way of seeing things.
The other week I was driving back in the van from work with my brother. There was some modern trap- like song playing on the radio. After a minute I found myself thinking 'wtf even is this?' By brother seemingly read my mind and changed station. The Backstreet Boys came on. It sounded incredible in comparison. My brother, again seemingly reading my mind, said 'doesnt that sound so much better?' I agreed. And, btw, we have very different music tastes. So when even the shitty mainstream of music of 20 years ago sounds so much better than the shitty mainstream music of today, you know that todays music really does suck.
It's cause the young guns in rap/ pop don't care about song structure. It's everything. A lot of stuff nowadays is "alright, that's the first verse, now what?" and then it's over!!
@@backoffpeerI don't know if I would call woke edgy gender- benders representative of a mature and monotonous life tbh but they certainly represent a cultural shift (for the worse as far as I can tell).
@@stephenhughes5156left is the establishment today. it was other way around for a very long time and that's how you got rebellious music for years and it made sense but now rock sold out to the establishment and became the establishment and because music is more of youth thing and youth is always rebellious of course you got anti establishment music like hiphop to be the new mainstream genre and now hiphop is turning establishment so now we have a window of opportunity to turn rock around to be the rebellious leader of music again but this time it has to be right wing
This video represents a probably somewhat unpopular but legitimately good take. So few songs have that “YO START THAT SH*T OVER” quality, just so you can hear the hook or how hard that one riff or line goes again. We have officially entered the “Fans Also Like” playlist era. Pick a song that fits your mood, and let The Algorithm keep you there. I’m not really even saying that’s a bad thing, because I would have loved that back when you had to swap out the CD to play what your heart wanted to hear next. Not to mention how much easier discovering new music is because of The Algorithm’s [usually frighteningly correct] assumptions. I don’t love the cause, but I appreciate the effect of people finding out about bands they would have otherwise never heard of.
I think a good example is Duster, which went from being beloved cult band to being a beloved well known band thanks to tiktok. At least the algorithm gave a underrated band a good push they deserved
Yes 100% not everything is gloomy, while I definitely think the music right is not my cup of tea with a few exceptions. I don’t blame tech to that transition, I feel blessed we have now streaming services like Spotify and yes playlists are cool. From the recent artists I’m quite enjoying Olivia Rodrigo especially her new album guts. Her sour era was mehh to me that awful viby background music but Guts is getting in the middle which is becoming quite interesting. It’s not the hooks of You give love a bad name, hit me baby one more time or we are never ever getting back together but it’s pretty listenable especially I want to get him back.
I'm not sure you're supposed to understand modern music. Most of it is made for zombies looking into their black box that killed the user's attention span.
I’ve often thought about this. Going to shows is not the same. Everyone is in their phones instead of the moment. There is just a lot of apathy in the music scene both musicians and their fans
If you go to the right shows, everybody is in the moment. Those are the shows I seek out. Just this past week, I saw Death Grips, The Armed, and Queens of the Stone Age and had an amazing time because everybody was engaged and enjoying it together.
Very true. Its strange though because a lot of people seem to be able to distinguish between OBJECTIVELY good TV Shows/movies and trash (though plenty of people still watch trash), but with music the trash seems to get the most plays.
As soon as Lana Del Rey came to the mainstream scene in 2012, it's slowly the beginning of the end for hook, upbeat, party, catchy, chorus type music in pop music & her effect on other genres.
@@flumee yes & she's very talented but her "hook" is different than other pop hook. And her first album is the reason of the change of pop culture in the past decade. Finn doesn't like her music anyway even with her "hook".
@@flumee "Vibe" does not imply otherwise. It's not a dogwhistle for bad, it's a reference to music that rewards background listening. Brian Eno intentionally made music that was designed to disappear into the background and he is often regarded as one of the greatest artists of the 20th century.
I think the shift away from hooks in pop music is what lead to the rise of Kpop. The Korean industry still focuses on that larger than life chorus and that infectious hook, and that has translated well across cultural barriers. Kpop has a "more is more" mentality, and that sounds increasingly more distinct and identifiable in a music scene that is content with giving less and less.
@kaydgaming It's a mix of mostly Korean, American, and European producers and song writers. One of the top kpop songs from a few years ago, Bad Boy by Red Velvet, was made by an American production team that realized the songs Pop-RnB sound wouldn't catch on in the US because the market was so focused on trap, so they sold it to a Korean company that turned it into a massive hit.
we humans see the world as cause and effect, but that's not really what happens; everything happens at the same time, for no reason at all. there's really nothing to blame for this. it's just how our species is evolving and how the cosmos works. we could pinpoint tiktok as the "cause" for this change in music, but why delineate time and events in this way? tiktok is just an internet platform and there are always multitudes of converging factors that "create" our current reality and shapes the future, as it were. on a less spiritual note i'm not sure if tiktok caused "vibe music", but it certainly could be one of the big factors - but at the same time isn't it said that tiktok music needs to be catchy and hooky in order to get used in videos? (end diatribe)
I was reading an article about why labels are struggling to find artists with staying power and I really think streaming has made music disposable just because of the sheer quantity of music that people have access to at any given moment. On average, Spotify recommends me 60 songs that i haven't heard every week in the Release Radar and Discover Weekly playlists. Thats 240 songs a month. (About 8 hours of new songs a month). Its hard to focus on a singular artist when there are so many vying for attention at the same time. It's not like TRL in the 2000s when you had a a focused list of what most people liked which was basically like the same 8-10 artists over and over. I don't think music sucks now. i just think artists are struggling to stand out in an era where everything is hyper-disposable.
I'm all good with vibe music, I'm a huge synthwave fan and that genre is mostly just vibes and arpeggios, but I gotta say.. The problem these days isn't that vibe music took over, it's that it's all shit vibes.. It's not gloomy vibes or happy vibes, it's like "i'm bummed I have to go pick up my drycleaning" vibes.. It's "oh I guess we're doing this now.." vibes... It's "I can't believe I'm still working at McDonalds.." vibes.. This whole era's "vibe" could be summed up with "It is what it is..." There's no savagely depressed vibe like Emo or Grunge... It's just pop music with a thinner sound played by people who just seem bored..... Soft hitting bland songs for those who don't have time to listen.
As always, massive music appeals to the masses. The masses tend to be from average to even less intelligent, and this isn't me calling myself or anyone "more intelligent", it's just that the bar is very low and always has been. So the current "vibes" are superficial music of the vibe that has existed in many genres in the past, many of them intrumental like Synthwave. I listen to many different metal genres, some classical music, some older pop, hip hop, etc. And a lot of it doesn't always have "hooks" or even a chorus at all, but the vibes definitely say waaay more than most of this current "vibe" music. When 90% of popular music seemed to sing about "love", it was the same problem. A very superficial and overly dramatic and even toxic version of romantic "love" is what was portrayed.
I noticed that artists make music specifically to go viral or be used in a TikTok. A TON of drake's new music sounds like that was the goal especially since toosie slide
I like the guy but his obsession with pushing new music just because it's new gets on my nerves a little. Just as annoying as "back in my day they made real music".
Listen, I’m a fan of Finn and his videos, but oftentimes he has some…questionable takes on music. I guess him being the most reasonable could just mean that so many other youtubers have such garbage takes that it makes Finn’s seem better by comparison
lana actually has a very versatile and expressive voice, with super catchy hooks in her songs. all her stuff has impacted me so much, been stuck in my head for years. she knew how to keep it interesting and give her songs an edge that no one else could ever really capture thats why people have always loved her so much.
I've had this conversation the other day with a younger guy I work with. (I'm 40, he's 27) and I asked him if he's ever listened to an album? And he replied with, "I listen to music a lot." I clarified, by saying, "have you ever put an album on Spotify or however you listen to music and listened to it start to finish? Not while you're doing something else, but listening to music being the thing you're doing." He thought for a little while and said, "no, I don't think I have." I told him he should try it some time. He asked me for suggestions, and I know that he has been exposed to a lot of classic rock because he's got some older siblings, so I gave him a few suggestions and the next Monday I asked him about if he'd had time to listen to music and he was so excited to tell me about listening to "Rumors" by Fleetwood Mac, beginning to end. How he just got lost in the music, just listening with his eyes closed. I'm with you, I'm not here to say young people are "doing it wrong" for the music they like or anything like that, because it's their time and every generation gets their time. But I think the difference with people our age, is that we, just by functioning in modern culture, consume music the same way young people do. Unlike my parents, who never gave a shit about music me or my friends listened to, we hear this generation's music constantly just by existing online. So we have experienced both sides of this issue. I don't know anyone who grew up listening to albums who prefers the new way, but hey, the kids are going to do what the kids are going to do.
I'm 42 and I still have a big old stereo next to my bed that I listen to cds on. I lay there and pound the tunes. Listen to my favourites. Also when you like a whole album it really grows on you the more you listen to it until you love it. I think it's harder to do that online because we're bombarded with so much variety.
It's not just a classic rock thing though. There are a lot of albums I'll put on and just listen to. Painkillers (2016) and Sleepwalkers (2018) from Brian Fallon, Trail of Flowers (2024) from Sierra Ferrell, History Books (2023) from The Gaslight Anthem, I'll Be your Girl (2018) from the Decemberists, The Man From Waco (2022) from Charley Crockett, Little Songs (2023) from Colter Wall, The Battle at Garden's Gate (2021) from Greta Van Fleet, etc.
As someone who primarily listens to electronic music I've always been fighting the battle of finding actually good albums instead of just a collection of tracks that may or may not be that good. Your point about particularly long winded albums that are more of a vibe than an experience really hit home with me. I have some albums that I love but there's no real flow to them despite sounding good the whole time.
There's 2 ways to enjoy music, vibe vs composition is a perfect way to put it. I read a study years ago about how metal listeners and pop listeners use 2 different parts of the brain when listening to music. Neither is right or wrong, but this is why I think there's such a distinct divide between fanbases. It's like comparing soccer players to American football players. Metal fans want to experience the music itself, pop fans want background music to add to whatever experience they're already having
I believe the music industry is currently in a dire situation compared to past decades. We seem to be stuck in a musical cycle, relying on algorithms rather than our own sense of hearing to consume music. This might be attributed to the outcomes of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which led to the decline of independent radio and media. As a result, the distinct voices of music DJs who introduced unique music and facilitated the discovery of new genres, artists, and bands were silenced.
I’ve been a punk and metal fan for the last 25 years, but what I’ve really liked the last few years is vapourwave . Maybe it’s because of the aesthetics, or nostalgia for the 80s and 90s, but I love to put a playlist on while I’m doing something.
Vaporwave is an interesting one because it's also 'vibe' music but in a different way to what's being discussed here. Like, the best vaporwave is music for music's sake even though there's not really any hooks. It's more than background music and it's certainly not there to soundtrack viral Tiktoks
I was hanging out with my dad this weekend listening to old songs (60s, 70s, 80s) and there is obviously a clear change from making objectively "good" music that will be a classic and timeless to the majority of music today being background noise. I like a lot of new music, but I feel like many artists are just pumping out whatever they can to stay relevant (probably has a lot to do with their record deal). Sometimes I feel like Randy Marsh listening to new music, trying my hardest to look for the good or silver lining and ignore when my brain just hears toilet sounds...
My parents still say the 1950s had the best music. Every generation thinks their music is the best. I see a lot of guitar students asking to learn songs like Metallica, Queen, Zeppelin, etc. I ask them why and they tell me "Today's music stinks". So there you go.
Yup it doesn't matter how ya spin it todays music isn't very good and hasn't been for I'd say 10 years at least.There hasn't really been any new artists that I can remember that there music is very memorable or even want to go back too or even think about purchasing there album.Compared to anything that came out even in the early 2000s,90s or 80s.
Anyone ever listen to the decades stations on XM? They play the top 30 from this date in whatever year in the 70s, 80s, 90s And guess what? A looooot of it is mid. A lot is forgettable. A lot is filler.
@superunknown2812 1 think maybe ur not good at finding new music, 100 gecs, modern baseball, joyce manor, charli xcx, dorian electra, boy pablo, Mac demarco, Tyler the creator, Poppy, beach bunny, beabadoobee, cage the elephant, carly rae jepson, clairo, dua Lipa, lizzo, dev lemons, death grips, Kendrick Lamar, enjoy, the garden, fidlar, the frights, the drums... I could go on. Almost all of then began last decade. Most didn't get popular until late in the decade. Maybe you shouldn't speak on music of the last 10 years if all youve heard r the same 10 songs they play on the pop station. Or you just suck at finding new music
@@OneTrueScotsmanYeah, I was 12 in 2000 and was already feeling that way, that feeling did not change for the remainder of the 2000's, and I had internet since the late 90's.
I’m in my late 40s and I remember songs my parents played word for word, songs I grew up listening to from start to finish, ages later from rap, metal, rock, etc what ever I was listening to know know the songs. When I went to concerts, I was rocking out to every single track. I can’t imagine just paying money to see a band for a piece of a song you would hear on tic tok and sing a clip and nothing else.. it’s crazy to me. Plus I think it’s why you have these “fans” being bored that they think it’s ok to throw an item at the artist. For me, I miss the days of looking at liner notes and just having a physical copy of an cd. Even if I listen to a band for one track and like that I heard, I would buy the whole cd and listen to every track. These days… I don’t know what’s going on…different energy for a new generation
I was thinking the same thing about the liner notes. I didn't care so much about the art as much as I cared about the liner notes. I would read the lyrics, see who played on and wrote each song, and see who produced it all. I was fascinated by all of it. When I buy a vinyl release for my 16 year old, we both go through and look at all of that still.
I'm still buyin alot of cds off discogs it makes me appreciate what I listen too more and engages me too listen too full albums compared to jumpin around on utube listening to random tracks at my leisure
@@superunknown2812Yup. Thats how I feel about vinyl. The format forces you to be more engaged with the music. My turntable hasn't been running for a couple years tho and now i mostly listen to everything on youtube. It really is an immediate, low investment, disposible format. But man, is it ever convenient!
Honestly it’s not that new music sucks, I think it’s our relationship with music that sucks. Often treated as secondary or complimentary to some other activity but honestly the fact that music is something that is integrated into every part of our lives is great and hopefully the main trend will turn to treating music a bit more seriously in the future but either way as long as there is music I can live with it
When I was really into hip hop, I was listening to groups like Jedi Mind Tricks and La Coka Nostra at the height of their popularity. For me, hip hop was falling off way back in the late 2000’s and has only gotten progressively worse.
lets be honest with ourselves, it was getting bad way before then, with gangster rap and trap music. only reason we give them a pass is cause this shit today is somehow so bad that we give the other stuff a pass
The problem I have with hip hop and rap - and I do enjoy some of it - is that rappers have such a here-today-gone-tomorrow effect. I've noticed this since the 90's. So many artists hit it big, then burn out, then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next flavor-of-the-month. Because so much rap and hip hop is a flash in the pan, it gets more and more dumbed down, less artistic, less creative, etc.
@@robwalsh9843 because most rap is made by young people who are down on their luck, often gang members or poverty stricken, and just trying to make money. some of them stick around for years because they are true artists, some disappear even if they're true artists because they get killed or have to leave the limelight for other legal reasons. ALSO because it might be hard to become a mainstay when rap as a music style is quite easy to make, as long as you have a decent voice and rhyming schemes and beats, you're good to go with very little equipment i don't know as much about rap from late 70s to late 80s, but that kind of rap came from a slightly different place. some stuck around for a long while - Boogie Down Productions AKA KRS One, Killah Priest, Insane clown Posse, Tech N9ne, Eminem, and probably lots more i'm too much of a hip hop noob to know about. Lo Key is pretty underground but still making music after 20 years on the scene.
A lot of new stuff is what you’d hear in a department store. It’s not something to sing along to, or has hooks - it’s music that just exists in the background as noise.
Music was great until 2014, everything or mostly everything was crap after 2014, 80s,90s, 00s and earlys 10s (2010-2013-ish) were actually something you could dance to, know its just “vibe” which I cannot stand
The short answer in my two cents of an opinion is because "making music" has actually become easy and easily more accessible to do given the mediums and platforms that are available now, and this goes for more than just music. Now I'll be quiet and watch the video oh and here's a like 👍
@@KevinElliot-ni4lbI'd love to hear some of the music you've made since it's so easy to make Edit: It's easy to make shit music. Still hard to make great or even mid music
I feel like Post rock is going to become popular soon. Dubstep often uses the nostalgia and style to create an atmosphere, and it is has become massively popular lately. For that referential music to exist, there has to be progressive forefathers of music treading new ground. This is where post rock comes in; you might not see a lot of Spotify monthly listeners, as people do not actively listen to it. But on meditation playlists on RU-vid theses same bands will get MILLIONS of views! People often need that "soundtrack" type music to escape, some while doing homework or housework, etc. BUT, one of the best qualities of music, active or passive, is that it allows you to internalize it and imagine whatever you personally relate to the music. Its this aspect of music that makes "vibe" music or atmosphere music so entertaining, as you can then spend your imagination actively painting a scene or story in your mind, where you can spend more effort focusing on what emotions the music's scene or story is trying to evoke. So basically, the more atmospheric the music, the more you can get lost in it. :)
@@MxLee192dubstep had already peaked by then in terms of creativity. The golden years were from about 2004-2008. Around 2009 was when it splintered into different factions (including the brostep stuff that blew up in America). I'm less knowledgeable about post-rock but I do remember it being quite popular in the late 90s and 2000s
@@rorz999 Post-rock and Math rock def seemed to be big in the 2000s - early 2010s though I dunno if much of it really went to mainstream success. And dubstep did break into the US mainstream in 2011 and in the UK in 2009 though had been bubbling up as you said for about 5 years prior to that making waves in the underground. Still some good dubstep being made by guys like commodo, and from labels like system & whitepeach.
I couldn't really explain what felt wrong with new music in the past few years, but this makes total sense and describes my feelings. Great video as always
Once again, you have vocalized my thoughts much better than I ever could. The way I've described modern music is "Music on Vicodin". It's made to sit back, expressionless, and drool on yourself while staring at a cloud. Not only does it evoke no emotion, but it almost suppresses it. Well said.
I was born in the mid to late 80’s and grew up in the 90’s to mid 2000’s. My generation and the generations before us listened and enjoyed the music that came before us. I feel like that is lost on these newer generations.
@ThePowerman121, yes! My generation, we loved the music from our parents generation, but there's lots of youngsters nowadays, who don't exactly have that same appreciation for our music. Though, from what i've heard, many starting to come around & appreciate, not only my generation's music, but the stuff, that came before us, as well.
100% agree I’m an 80s baby and while I love so much the artists I grew up with Britney Spears, the spice girls and Christina Aguilera) I also love 80s artists. Like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston and bands like Queen( though I kind of became a fan with the movie Bohemian Rhapsody), Bon Jovi and Aerosmith. I can tell you i love music from the 80s till maybe mid 2010s.
There wasn’t a way around it for our generation, usually the first music we listened to was old LPs and cassettes from our parents. I loved listening to my dad’s collection as a toddler😂 Later in school we started to listen to the radio and buy/share CDs. Nowadays, there is no need for that, as every preteen already has a TT account… Honestly, I’ll simply blame the parents for this trend!😂☠️
Actually is the opposite ... Centennials and Alphas consume and enjoy even more "old music" (considering the time period between their age and the music release) than Gen X and Millenials at the same age back in the day (kids today listen, enjoy and refference 80s music that's 4 decades old ... the 90s equivalent of that was for a preteen to do the same with postwar-50s music, just unthinkable)
The vibe trend is also present in tv and movie scores/themes, but maybe a little older. TV theme songs are now a few seconds of a vibe. Movies don't have big, singable themes anymore. Think: how many John Williams themes can you recall right now vs. how many MCU themes.
I’m 23 so I know I’m not “just getting old” when I say I really can’t connect to or stand modern music. I don’t use tiktok or anything so maybe that’s why? I haven’t liked a new song that’s been released since like 2017 at least to be frank
As a Gen X-er, I say music doesn't kinda suck, IT DOES SUCK! Forgettable mumble rap, generic country music, mediocre rock songs, auto-tuned pop. This is why I listen to old school music, where the tunes are memorable. And it's not just about the hooks, it's about the whole songs. Music today just doesn't have the catch nowadays. Today, it's all about image, aesthetics and how controversial a story is. The old school songs don't rely on visuals, because the songs stand alone.
Or you could do like we did in the old days of GenX; and look in the underground. Like in your local area there's probably 10 good bands no one will listen to; bc no one will tell anyone that they're good. Start there.
There is plenty of good music made every year that falls outside of the mainstream. There are many lesser known bands from decades past that deserve recognition. None of it is hard to find. Most do not look because they have no desire to step outside of their comfort zone.
Gen X here too and I've been listening to non mainstream artists since the 1990s when i thought pop music started to suck. I have still managed to find non mainstream music that I find enjoyable.
I think a lot of the shift towards vibe music also has to do with the popularity of genres like vaporwave, where people put on hours long mixes and only really care about the song or artist if there's something that really hits the spot about that particular cut - other than that it's like trance music from the 00s, and that's where it's advantageous for the homologation of artists and genres to stand a chance of making it into people's playlists.
The only problem I have with this video is Paramore being used as an example of no hook, when “This is why” has been in my head since I heard it. Other than that… I swear he jumped into my head and read out my thoughts.
Its OK being right. this shit these days is garbage. i grew up in the 90s and i was equally exposed to rock, metal, many genres of punk, grunge, QUEEN, sublime and copious amounts of rap and hip hop. it just dont hit the same.
TL;DR - Vibe music is a normal response to the last decade and we have had it multiple times already in music history I think something important regarding the shift towards vibe music is contextualizing it through not just the last 40 years, but even the last 400 years of music. For example, we had renaissance era music growing more complex into baroque music up thru 1750 when the classical era begins. The classical era of music from roughly 1750 to 1810 is considered vibe music because it was primarily written as background music for social gatherings, and other events that was very simple compared to its predecessor baroque music. A similar thing happened with the start of jazz was that ragtime developed into swing and eventually saw a growing complexity in response to it as swing music became more associated as just background dance music. So Bebop is born and then even in response to that a decade later starts the era of minimalist Jazz similarly to minimalism in classical music in the 60s. All this to say, there is an ebb and flow with music in its complexity and structures that change always in response to one another. Vibe music is here for now and it’s largely how I identity the 10s decade, but eventually like all other styles there will be a response of something that will essentially be seen as the opposite of it.
Yep there’s always a counter response. Hippies to counter the suites and clean cut, grunge to counter the glam and nu wave, hip-hop and catchy pop to counter 90’s dark alternative, 2010’s dark R&B and Hip-hop to counter that, etc.
This video finally pointed out the shit I've been feeling about the-- what I didn't wanna call blandness, but lack of inspiration in modern music. Before, music could be the soundtrack of the life of whoever was listening to it, but now it's hard to even find enjoyment in modern songs without knowing and affiliating the song with the attached celebrity.
This shit has been happening waaaaay earlier my man. When the internet started vaporwave, and being obsessed with recycling the industrial, electronic sounds to match the numbness that people feel today! The "CHILL/LO-FI/HIP-HOP BEATs TO STUDY TO" Is where it all began where people wanted this kind of music. Eventually it bled into the mainstream like all things do. It started back in 2016 on RU-vid with mash up songs that people made for fun. Playlists essentially
This might sound weird, but I think music follows the drugs trending at the time. I like to be hyped up so I pretty much exclusively listen to 70s-early 90s rock when everyone was on coke (even though I wasn't alive for most), then lean became the trendy thing and that opened the door for percs, xans, fent, H, etc and everyone just wanted to lounge around and vibe out so the music began to match the aesthetic
I'm in your shoes. When I was young I promised myself I would never stop listening to new music like most older people did. I managed to keep that promise with myself over the years. But for the first time in my life I feel truly lost. I'm struggling to connect with most new stuff. Finding new music I like is becoming a treasure hunt.
I was listening to an NYT music podcast that was talking about this same issue. It’s definitely a feature, and not a bug. Producers, artists, and labels are actually looking for the 15-second clip that can end up being a TikTok sensation. They don’t want the next musical genius. They want something that can be packaged to social media users. That’s it.
i can actually rattle off a ton of songs from 20 years ago that had no hook but still play on repeat in my head when it's otherwise quiet. in the right ears, the vibe actually IS the hook, and can be potentially far more potent than a hook since it's a lot more likely to invoke a nostalgic imprint. hooks don't really invite nostalgia as much as vibe does: hooks can get played so much that you get sick of them... when+where you were when you felt a vibe will be with you always
I'm a shoegaze fan. Hooks are cool but I can also live without them. MBV has had longevity. I was first introduced to them by a friend group 10 years younger than me in the mid 00s and they remain relevant today. (When MBV first came out I was ignoring all forms of music that were not jazz so I had lots of catching up to do) So yeah "vibe" music can have longevity. I think there are certainly valid points to the premise of the video in terms of use of music as an audio effect for the tiktok short video format. That's happening, but there are still large amounts of new young music fans being minted every day. They listen to songs and albums. When we were kids music meant more to some than to others. Image was a huge part of it back then too. What else was New kids etc or even Axl Rose? Very few kids were listening to the sugar cubes first album when it came out, but some of us were. Also Limp Bizkit was good? wtf. Anyhow there is a deep underground right now coming out with vibey short format music that yea, doesn't really have a lot of hooks, but it is pretty exciting and a very fresh sound. And transformative even. I think when trying to analyze something as complex as music and society you are at best going to come up with a set of confused generalizations that have some truth and substance to them but also are off the mark. But still makes for a thoughtful long format video and certainly worth the watch.
The fact that you researched and had a number of good things to say means your not "old man screaming at cloud."😂 With so much music in so many languages it's clear to see beauty in all music, music is now our supporting character in life.
You're spot on with this analysis. I think there are so many distractions these days that people don't really appreciate what we did previously. I think people are becoming zombiefied and multitasking and like to have this "vibe" thing in the background.
This kind of trend is why I was a bit skeptical about BMTH blowing up thanks to TikTok. Of course there is that minority that goes down the rabbit hole, but most people who have heard Can You Feel My Heart in those videos, don't care about the band at all.
I think artists are moving away from catchy riffs and hooks also due to potential copyright lawsuits. There will always be someone claiming infringement just for a hook that may or may not have been “stolen” or “borrowed”.
Finn, I love this video. The angles you take when it comes to music and just pop culture in general is so well thought out. I feel this is a reflection of our time period. I see this trend with movies and fashion. My opinion- oversaturation and less attention spans You brought up a great point in your tik tok explanation and touched upon it here too. In movies, you see lots of reboots, sequels, and less original ideas, oversaturation or superheroes movies while less story driven, character development movies In fashion you see trends going from left to right with lots of that due to tik tok, / fast fashion, and hypebeasts. But not only that, you have a lot of minimalism, things that are simple yet sell you on LIFESTYLE, and that really comes down to the overexpansion of neuromarketing. If you havent checked out already theres some cool content of that on youtube where it goes into other categories like grocery shopping. Thanks for posting and sharing.
I've always been listening too 90s music and it's not just because it's my generation entirely I just feel when it comes to dance music or even hip hop it was fun,the beats made ya bop your head,it was danceable.Rock music/metal/alternative rock was experimental and it worked for that genre where it made it memorable great riffs,great choruses, etc.
@@Booya456 I'd argue the music you're referring to wasn't saturating the radio tho. Somebody like Nelly or Migos would have been a one hit wonder in the 90's. Not huge stars with long careers.
@blackdragon6 yeah like country Grammer when that dropped it was a good jam,danceable, had a good beat,had a good chorus well things sure have changed when it comes to the rap game lol
I don't think music is any better or worse than it has ever been. There is so much music out there, you just have to find what you like. Music is never just a monolith
Yep, I said something similar above. Same argument I have of the "monoculture", there never was one, only people that think "music" or "movies" or "TV" (well, maybe before cable) is just this one "monolithic thing".
@@MoonOvIceThere was much more good music in the 80s and 90s than there is now. There were much more good movies in the 90s and early 00s than now. Doesn't mean there isn't still good music or movies now, but that doesn't mean we can't say that a different era was better. Some things ARE actually better now. UFC, for example, is as good as its ever been. But music? I really don't think so.
@@stephenhughes5156 I mean, if we talk about music, specially mainstream music as a monolithic thing, I agree. But I stopped paying attention to most of the mainstream when I turned 12 or 13 (for good or bad, but I'm not some tr00 underground gatekeeper either).
It's like writing bangers isn't enough anymore Now you have to be the visionary of a multi-media expression of yourself across social media, music videos, fashion, dance choreography, brand collabs, advocacy efforts, etc. The music is just the soundtrack to the world you construct, rather than being the primary product from which everything else is based. This isn't new, but it sometimes feels like music has been falling down the list of emphasis/priority recently. While I dig that people are dreaming big and expanding their creative horizons, at times it feels like a cult of personality and we're not going to be left with much actually timeless music. I wish the pop music industry would remember that not every timeless hit song is going to be written by some stand-out star. There's gonna be a lot of great, memorable songs written by average folks that are worth hearing. Not everything has to come from hype or some overnight Tik Tok star, sometimes the music can speak for itself.
The song is what's missing in today's music. The craft of songwriting has died. There's no song. A good song can make a bad Artist sound good, but not vice versa.
Bro I remember standing in line at Tower records in the late 90s to meet Slayer and get my Reign in blood slip cover signed. It was a weekend routine to walk a few miles to coconuts with my 4 droogs and we would each pick out a CD with the most badass cover and of course a Parental advisory sticker. Get high in the woods then sit a bedroom and have our minds blown by some new death,speed,thrash metal album we never heard before. Ahhh the good ol 90s.
Dude, you are so right! I had hard time wording my feeling about all this new music & it is really true. No hooks, just vibe & aesthetics. The problem with this type of music - there’s literally nothing to hum or scream, you can’t sing along & FEEL feel like what “old” music does to you as a listener.
I saw foreigner last night on their farewell tour and between them and more recent artists I’ve seen, it’s not even a competition between the two. The older generations of music hits at a different level
It's just time for experimentation and evolution of the soundscapes. The fact that you listed all those many years where songs were about huge hooks is the EXACT reason why now the sound has to venture out to a different form for a while. It's a pendulum: has to swing both sides. You might not see it now while it's happening, but everyone will later on and reminisce about it.
@stephenhughes5156 meh, that exists in every generation and genre. How many djent or metal guys ripping off Meshuggah? Or guys that took that Linkin Park sound and breakdowns? How many 80s acts did the disco sound, or house music, or reggae? If you really break it down that way, it's not very different every time: there's usually a handful of artists that are highlights of a sound, and then a bunch oh copycat people that benefit from those waves. Everytime a new sound comes, people always compare it to what they know and accuse it of not being "real music," but as we know from this channel especially, give it time, and we'll be looking at this time with some reverence at one point.
To be fair there’s always been plenty of music decades back that were big and influential based off a vibe-sound over hooks, such as psychedelic music. Pink Floyd for example has always been considered one of the greatest bands of all time and they weren’t ever known for hooks. I do agree with your overall point, it’s true that songs without a hook are generally less memorable, but I think it’s just more about who’s a better/more knowledgeable artist
There has been a study that analyzed modern (pop) music and came to the conclusion, that it gets objectively, measurably worse. "What the researchers found is that harmonic complexity has decreased (making music sound homogenous), timbral diversity has dropped exponentially after peaking in the 1960s (meaning modern music is less deep and rich), and loudness has increased (which means that volume is now favored over sound quality)." Google: why modern pop music gets worse
Makes sense. The music I heard at the Walmart I used to work at sounded like they were produced by the same people. For all I know, they probably were.
So true. I’ve looked up songs after hearing part of it in a TikTok video, only to find out the rest of it is so lackluster. There isn’t a need to make a full good song to get some attention.
this is exactly how i feel. sometimes, i like TikTok because it exposes more underground artists, so they can get more support. but at the same time, TikTok makes some of these artists think that it's passable to make not-so-good music, as long as there's catchy 15 seconds part in it.
