guys! what i meant at 7:20 by "writing and producing your own songs was not a thing in kpop" was that being a songwriter was not really a thing kpop fans paid attention to. it was only after bts that i saw people talking about a "composer line" or a "songwriter position" when they didn't care about it before. of course there were kpop idol who wrote their music before bts but it was not as celebrated as it is today.
Can you pls tell me the song name at 8:50 i know the song but don't know the name Btw ur videos are great always you represent army's thoughts very well 🥰
Even then most “self written” songs by anyone outside of rock/metal/alt groups lean heavily on romance and hookup tropes and alienate people who may feel uncomfortable about it. It was all the more satisfying when a group who didn’t just write such lyrics exploded in popularity and got their voices heard.
It stinks that some people are calling you out for that line. Sure you could've worded it better so what you were trying to convey was more implied better but whatever. I think RU-vid allows you to edit ~10 seconds of an already uploaded video so maybe you can put a caption note on it or something
Two points you made really struck me: ARMYs come more from the general public than the kpop fan community, and ARMYs like all types of music, but are not fans of an industry. Well said!
Exactly. Did you know that kpoopies used to laugh at BTS because they claim only ARMY buy their music and no GP buys. They claim their favs got GP support. Kpoopies are so dumb for not realizing that BTS converts GP into ARMY and that's how they grow their fanbase 🤭
Nothing they said is really factual at all. No kpop fan is a fan of the industry. We always complain about the industry, how they treat trainees, and how the deal with their idol and let's not forget that bts is also part of that manufactured industry. As idols or artists they just have more free rain now. Also kpop is filled with many differing genres from rock to pop to rnb to edm ect. Most fans of kpop don't only pay attention to 1 groups unlike Army's (which is fine) and just like bts who make different genres of songs it's the some for every other kpop group as although a title track will have a distinct sound the bsides (other tracks on the album) vary alot I recommend the perfect velvet album by red velvet or nct 2020 resonance pt 1. if you'd like to see what I mean
@@wherethemilk6277 I don't follow kpop very closely but have come across plenty of comments about liking "xxx sound" or "xyz" having the best singers or groups. If that's not being a fan of a company's product, I don't know what is.
@@carmencrespo5704 the sound of a group refers to their title tracks more than anything. For example the groups NCT 127 and Stray Kids are knows for their titles tracks being noise music however that doesn't mean that their other song on an album arent other genres it's just what they're known for since it's the main track. And yes a company may me known for the best singers or rappers because they have teachers to train the trainees and usually companies will hold auditions to find talented ppl or scout them. Based off of what you're saying BTS is also a company product as well as jhope had no back ground in rapping, and non of the vocal line had any background in singing as well and no one beside jhope and jimin knew how to dance. The company helped train and mold them so that they could debut.
@@wherethemilk6277 I'm in the kpop community since 2010 and I can testimony that being a fan of a Company formula is a thing that does happens actually, also that kpop have styles of sounds that they give preference to BTS since debut don't followed what was popular back then, and when they do it generally is based in western industry more than korean, just like Dope was released back when It sound style was popular in US, and BTS does experiment way more with their music than a typical kpop group, the only other that I truly can say do the same are Mamamoo and G-Idle
Very well said! BTS was my introduction to “K-pop”. So I tried listening to other K-pop songs because I thought “this music is great “. I found out very quickly that the music BTS creates has nothing in common with K-pop. BTS just makes good music no matter what genre you want to call it.
I really tried to warm up to other kpop acts but they fell flat for me. BTS sincerely makes good music. I know female groups work hard but I just don't enjoy their songs or choreo.
It’s not just their music but their lyrics. It still blows my mind how 7 of the most talented artists in the world can be in one super group. They are by far my favorite group of all times and I am 61 and have listened to many amazing groups of all genres from all over the world. I will be a BTS ARMY until my last breath! 💜 🫰 Borahae
Exactly my experience, I was more than happy to try K-pop after my BTS introduction but I don’t like the mostly empty pop, it’s why dynamite annoyed me a fair bit and then the rap line with their songs actually got me to stay around because of the deep and complex lyrics
I became a BTS fan from the Coldplay My Universe collab and it actually wasn't the song itself, it was the behind the scenes. I admired how much they cared about the music they were creating. Then I just went through a bunch of their songs and realised they have so many bops! It's not just about their genres of music, it's also about their sincerity. I even managed to convince my entire friend group to be armys and we talk about them daily 🙂
I’m envious. I’m 72 and I know no one who is a BTS fan. I would love to have that camaraderie with other fans. I do talk about BTS a lot, but my friends and family tolerate me but can’t relate.
That’s literally how I explain why I’m a fan.. they CARE about their art and how it’s put out to the world .. and in new music today (not just kpop) that’s hard to find..
I just remembered this one comment from one of my ARMY friends while we're watching this, he said that "BTS has no obligations to carry K-pop with them. If BTS could do it, then so could they, but only if you're truly passionate enough to care." And that stuck with me ever since.
The whole "if bts can do it so can they" sounds a little "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" which is a pretty flawed and dismissive sentiment. You're not going to say that to someone regarding MJ or Bey because their status is one of a kind. Nevertheless, BTS, and by extention ARMY, having no obligation to carry k-pop with them is accurate. The Industry itself is what holds all those Idols back. None of them can be BTS but they sure as hell can be way more than they are if given the room and empowerment to do so.
BTS’s success is ‘talent + passion + good mentality + the right time + the right environment (surrounded by good people that trained them, being in a small company, etc)’. I am an army for 6 years now but I couldn’t agree with the ‘if Bts could do it, then so could the other group’. I always think BTS’s phenomenal success is more than the members themselves.
BTS don't have to carry kpop because kpop never supported BTS. if any other group from the "big 3" ever made it then I think they would have some obligation towards kpop, because the industry would always be there for '' the big 3 ". kpop's disappointment in bts would have made sense if bts owed their success to the industry.
@@littlebluefishy you forgot to mention the embarrassing rumours and media play done on them by so called big3 , and about carrying k-pop when they were cutoff from broadcast it's kpop big3 decision so a few times shown in television but when they become big now it's people concern why other group are not getting that audience, BTS reach out to people themselves with pure hardwork and other group are getting a lot of audience from them, by paid recommendations and articles suggestions done by their company, there is huge difference between them, they are still fighting with racism among non k-pop fan abroad and here this all happening 🤦 let them have their success why just messing with it, Spotify filtering stream at massive rate to make that female group who has signed with them to become biggest group in the world in 2017 but BTS come in the way, they are not paying for adview to get authentic so their YT view getting deleted to a extent that 67 million views got deleted on 1 St day for ON MV, same with Jimin solo debut, Hanteo delete 700 k sale bcz it acquire by certain company that is competing with hybe of which biggest profit maker is BTS, like they coming from bankrupt company making all organically and now people are like why not this group, why not that group, why not whole k-pop ,why you didn't think this when other fandom collectively trends on twitter jhope ugly and make it to newspapers, when they get black ocean by those groups bcz army were small fandom that's fan war but when they make awards show into their concert just by their performance award show banned lightstick to stop those performance so that they can't be highlight of the show, it's the same strategy they are applying, sadly whole k-pop industry won't never leave them alone .
When I became Army, I didn't know how the boys looked. I had just heard the entire MOTS: Persona and decided I should be a fan. Like you said, it wasn't the looks, but the music.
The day I first heard "More", I did not know who Hobi or BTS was or what they looked like. I just thought, "Huh!! I really like this new metal singer. I wonder what band he is with?" As my personal life circumstances grew more dire, BTS soon found me through a friend of mine. My mouth dropped when I found out that More was Hobi's song & cemented him as my bias. It took me longer to find my wrecker. Every time Tae would truly weep, I just could not take it. Or when he would say these low, shy, soft tones, I knew then. Each one has such a distinct unique magic to them. So, as a group they are naturally a super group.
The fact that BTS succeeded without any help from the Kpop industry, a lot of whom looked down on the members because they came from a small (poor) company, is one of the reasons their fans love them so much. They did it themselves, through the power of their talent and chemistry and the excellent direction from Bang PD.
When I saw idols' opinions about BTS, none were as honest and clear as Mamamoo's Moonbyul. She said "BTS are really musicians, they write lyrics and compose their songs, so they communicate well with those they work with. (talking about producers, musicians, etc)" in an interview with Adora (ex-producer of BH). That respect, was totally earned by working hard and honestly. No one in the world can beat a fandom like ARMY 💜 No western artist, neither Korean, or Latino. There is only one BTS and one ARMY on this planet and the music and entertainment industry will try to copy the formula but it will never turn out the same because it was born and grew organically. PERIODT
Wow! I love this video. Every time I mention I’m a BTS fan, people say “wow so you like Kpop?” and I’m like “hmmm not really” so it’s always tricky to answer, and this video explains it so well! I’ve been a metal and rock fan my whole life, still bts made their way to my heart
When I got asked that question I said No I'm not a fan of Kpop, because I find most kpop music it's too boring and meaningless for my tastes, but I'm a BTS fan as I really love their music.
Me too!!! I just wove the music of both together. Korea was never on my radar. Being a part of Gen X, music has always been the air I breathe, the armor against all the negativity out in the world, & an unbreakable uniting factor. Once I was introduced to BTS & their music (Their heavier songs drew me in & cemented me as a part of Army), I asked what their names were. Down the rabbit hole I happily went. I just get so excited to come across other rock/metal fans who are also Army.
This is true. One of the reasons I’m an Army is because I genuinely love their music. I will always be even when they are in their 60s I will still be supporting them. I do think newjeans have good songs. So it’s not even about not giving kpop a chance. I just don’t think the majority of kpop actually cares about music. I’m here for music not just visuals even though BTS are very good looking.
I have a short attention span so I just skimmed through the hooks of each album on Spotify. I can personally instantly tell whether I like a song or not by the hook. I really liked cookie, so I saved it to my playlist, but I left everything else. And that’s fine :)
@@remaddy5469 I’ve been an Army since very early 2014 close to right after their debut. I’ve already tried for many years it’s not my issue if that’s not what you want to hear.💜
I listen only to classical music for more than three decades. I heard Kpop way back but it did not interest me. Until last year when I heard and got fascinated by BTS. I digged and got enamored. Art is a magnet to me. Overall BTS is an art.
Thanks for sharing.....muy simpatico!! I thought I was the only one. Seriously, my playlist is Beethoven, Mozart, Mahler (and the rest of the gang) and BTS. The videos I watch are BTS or the Berliner Philharmoniker.
this means a lot to us even if your decision to share this is not to impress or anything of the sort. it touched me bcos as someone inclined or into art, that's just what we see in BTS, art. i love art, tho art doesn't like me bcos I'm not talented in it. i know art when i see it.
I only listened to Metal Music (not the really "hard" stuff, mostly Nightwish etc) ... then my colleague brought me to BTS... I listen to their music mostly ever since xD
bro the "Are armys close minded?" section of the video literally blew my mind... you word it SO so so well. the justin beiber/drake/the weeknd comparison to bts/kpop was very impressive, and the quote "being the fan of an artist isn't a group project, just because i like one artist doesn't mean i have to like other artists associated with them." was exactly on point. why should we "work together" with kpop fans for THEIR favs if we're not fans of their artists? where were those kpop fans when bts was struggling in the kpop industry, being cut out of broadcasts and underminded/mocked by higher-ups?
Not to mention till this day, those kpop fans Don't miss a chance to throw stupid allegations and hate towards bts. At first we were too less so we got ignored, now we are too many so we get sabotaged anyways. Sorry fam. We're good. Bangtan is all we got and all we want.
I think comments like these are made over and over again, because of some toxic fans in any fandom that says that their favourite group is the most talented, hardworking, genuine, deserving and best, etc. group to ever exist and that no one will ever come close to that no matter what or deserve what their group deserves. But those kind of people can be found anywhere, not just in the BTS fandom, nor just in Kpop and that's just how it is unfortunately, even if it's very frustrating when those people downplay the achievements and successes of other groups and bash and look down on them or dismiss them as unknown/flops.
@@Forever_rain05I think comments like these are made over and over again, because of some toxic fans in any fandom that says that their favourite group is the most talented, hardworking, genuine, deserving and best, etc. group to ever exist and that no one will ever come close to that no matter what or deserve what their group deserves. But those kind of people can be found anywhere, not just in the BTS fandom, nor just in Kpop and that's just how it is unfortunately, even if it's very frustrating when those people downplay the achievements and successes of other groups and bash and look down on them or dismiss them as unknown/flops.
@erxnga I mentioned it because I feel like there is this mindset for SOME Kpop fans that not being a fan of something means that you hate it and so when some people see others say that they only stan one group, they must hate the other groups, combined with some toxic solo fans from any fandom that actively do hate on other groups and members and give the peaceful solo fans a bad name unfortunately. There is absolutely nothing wrong with only liking one group or artist in general nor did I mention that anywhere and I don't agree with Kpop fans that try to make people like specific groups when they hear that someone "only" likes one group. I'm sorry though if it came across that way.
you know, i could never put my finger on why i felt most kpop songs were missing something and were just songs for shows, and why i only liked bts, but now i can see that it was the meaning, they have deep, there's meaning, feelings and thought from them in each lyric and concept they put themselves in their music, i guess kpop lacks emotion to say it that way for me
if u only listen to bts why did you koreaboo your username? that's not behaviour of a casual listener that's something people deep into kpop, kdramas, or k culture do. did bangtan teach you that??
@@3xitthissid3 lol. i have english username so does that make me a englishboo? anime fans have japnese username does that make them japanboo? bffr kid ☕☕
@@glitterjjk having a korean username does make you a koreaboo just like having a japanese user name makes you a weeaboo. *Actually kbooing or weabooing your user name is REALLY NOT A PROBLEM* (I want to emphasize that fact) - problem is fake fans like her claiming to only stan bts no other kpop act, yet acting in a typical kpop/multi stan fashion. Many ARMYs are falsifying and faking information, in order to make BTS look superior. ya'll fakes need to stop. It's dragging BTS's authenticity and dignity. How embarrassing would it be to have a childish fandom.
First listened to Kpop in 2002. Dived into BTS ARMY in 2020 and I only listen to BTS now. There’s never been anything like BTS that I’ve seen. They have something magical that Kpop doesn’t have.
yup but kpop stans try to rewrite history now and try to claim Kpop pre BTS was something it very much was not. see some of the army multi comments here
I have a colleague who told me he hated KPOP cause he tried listen to some 2nd Gen songs back in the day. It was from one specific company, he didn’t like their sound and vibe. When I told him I liked BTS he was very apprehensive cause he perceived Kpop has a genre. I showed him some BTS songs and he likes them now but still doesn’t like the music that is similar from the 2nd Gen stuff he heard before. Sometimes people just don’t like the sound lol
the kpop industry is very overrated, most of the idols only show their most extravagant visual side and their music is so terrible, bts is so different you can feel and see the passion that bts have in their music they are true artists who want to send a message and leave a mark in this world
@@blueturtle1813 Kinda agreed as a 2nd gen fan. Internationally there weren't much audiences except maybe SEA & Japanese audiences. Maybe some European or Latin American countries as well but were very few. Tho Kpop pre BTS was def smth I have to agree
I've seen opinions thrown out there by multi-stans or K-pop fan that some people don’t like BE for some reason, or that they think it’s BTS’s weakest album, and I think this is a great example of what you talked about. BE was different in so many ways. The concept photos that the boys came up with were relatively natural and minimal. Although many songs have flawlessly proven themselves to be phenomenal performance songs, no song is a performance song with actual choreography (except Dynamite) or flashy visuals or special effects. This album had Bangtan filming a music video in their own clothes in their own rooms, and interviewing each other in extensive videos about their songwriting and production process and thoughts and goals as artists, and putting out a diverse multi-genre record with their reflections and worries and hopes. It was very much about the music, and that was something I loved. It was something they didn't even have to prove but they still did - yet another thing they showed they can do; a reinforcement that music is always no. 1 to them. Of course I love losing my mind over new hair colors and amazing outfits and being in awe of incredible choreography and performances and visuals and music videos, but I LOVED this genuine, simple yet extraordinary, cozy, perfect album. In my opinion, this was a decidedly “non-K-pop” kind of album, and maybe that's why K-pop fans have an issue with it? I myself am someone who was actually never that into music, but heard about BTS from a coworker, randomly decided to watch SNL in April 2019, and never looked back. I actually remember hearing the hype about SuperM and Jopping in fall 2019, watching the MV out of curiosity and not even being able to finish it because I just genuinely didn't care. Whether it's the music of other artists having such superficiality, or lacking the storytelling, authenticity and versatility of Bangtan, nothing can compare in my mind now. There is NOTHING like Bangtan and never will be.
I actually don't know much about their albums cause I never ever listened to their music by albums But I do know that they have a song called 'Disease' and I like it a lot Then I found out it's part of their BE album
@@rafaelsmith5737 I think most tend to listen to their music on shuffle anyways. You get to see the diversity in genre and style more easily imo from their older and newer music mixed together
i agree with everything you said about BE. BE is one of my absolute favourite bts albums - i think the songs in that album flow seamlessly and i love the different genres of music that were included, but most of all i love how raw, honest, and comforting the lyrics were. even a song like telepathy, which sounds like a fun and relaxing listen (especially following blue & grey), is filled with so much hopeful longing. when i found out that there were people who considered BE to be "empty" compared to bts' other albums, i could only assume that they were the types of people who equated "fullness" in an album with big-budget flashiness, and didn't even CONSIDER lyrics because authenticity truly leaked out of every pore of BE.
This is extremely true. I feel like 'BE' album goes above kpop fans understanding while that album is what got many out of dire mental health issues. It was so well written that I even used a few lyrics from 'Disease' and 'Blue and Grey' during a speech explaining depression. And people really liked how I broke down the topic. I didn't even have to mention the song or the group and yet it resonated. That's how profound it is.
BE is my favorite album for all the reasons you stated. I don't argue with anyone about the "best" album or "best" era because who's to say? I can only tell anyone what touches me most and it has been BE. I am starting to understand why kpop stans, even ARMYmultis, get annoyed with BTS and just don't understand most ARMYs. It's because you can't really play the "idol game" with BTS. It's not as fun to pick apart their fits and concepts, M/Vs and choreo, and just move on to the next thing. The song is always the center with BTS and everything else is built on its foundation. So if you're not into the song itself, the accompanying visuals and choreo won't matter as much to you, they won't seem expensive and flashy enough. The idol industry sells a spectacle while BTS presents you with themselves in art form. So for the person that came to consume the spectacle, BTS isn't going to feed them enough. It seems it comes down to what kind of appetite a person has.
The end of the video really struck me, and it's so real. I'm new to k-pop and, last month, I started getting into BTS. I assumed, at first, that BTS was just some handsome guys that sang about how cool they are. But then, when I started knowing them better and reading the translation of the lyrics, I found myself crying on the floor, because I relate so much to the songs. Their lyrics are so meaningful, and now I understand when people say that BTS helped them go through dark times. I'm so happy and pleased to see that BTS is more than what I assumed. It has been a wonderful journey to discover more and more about their work!
This is not a hate comment but To be sincerely honest in my humble opinion without being sentimental of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view and without hiding any thoughts in my mind and without lies, to the actual truth with my clear open mind and clean heart, expressing whatever is embedded inside me for a long time which I didn’t say just because I was nervous. But today, by gathering all the courage and motivation, I just want to say that I actually feel and think that I have absolutely nothing to say.
As someone on the flipside (a K-Pop stan who isn't into BTS as much), this was well said. Also, despite not being an ARMY, I'll respect that BTS' audience has grown to such a wide range and different variety of music fans that cannot fully click with the K-Pop community. Why fight about music you don't click with? Just ignore it if you don't like it. Let the ARMYs live their ARMY lives, and let the other kpop stans be kpop stans.
Dang , thanks. That's what it should be like in every fandom. Enjoy the things you like and let ppl enjoy what they like. There'll be no wars or shit and maybe we can see more laid back and honest personalities of the idols, without any fake rumours. Only if it was this easy.
Learn more about BTS and read the lyrics of BTS songs paradise, nevermind, love myself, epiphany, magic shop, tomorrow, We On, Hip Hop lover, etc Watch the explanation videos of BTS songs Ddaeng, spine breaker, ugh, persona, whalein 52, Idol,blood sweat and tears, etc Watch The rise of bangtan docu-series chapter 1-21 Watch The most beautiful life goes on story of BTS. Watch BTS On commentary film dialogue
I was mostly a rock fan and didn't veer out of that genre much until BTS. Since they blew me away so much, I wanted to keep an open mind and give other kpop acts a try. Very few had me coming back for more like BTS had. They adhere to no single genre and when it comes to the human experience, no topic is off the table when it comes to their lyrics, even suicide ideation. Hell, they'll write about catching fish. (Thx, Jin.) The variety of their vast catalogue is more robust than any band that has been around twice or 3x as long as them. BTS just cannot be contained in the kpop world, nor can be classified as such. Army understands that.
I just love it when I encounter other armys that are rock fans, and there are many of us. My friends still don't understand just how and why I'm a fan of pink floyd and BTS at the same time, but I am cause I just love good music.
THIS!,,, I listen to a lot of kpop songs before and I really dont like the hip hop songs of bts, but now, NOW! I really love it and go crazy listening to it, not just their songs, but other hip hop songs too, also the rap I consider "rap" before is actually rubbish and nothing like the genuine lyrics and sick beats of bts so 👍👍👍they're the best!
This is so true. I am an grown up ARMY of 36 years old. Yes there are other Kpop bands with good music, but I can't name a full album that I fell in love with like BTS albums. I became an ARMY watching Run BTS. The relationship between them is the reason why I started to listened their music and my little sister is a huge fan too.
I've spent way too much time in this comment section but I can't help it, this subject fascinates me and I just thought of something: If those that are now only ARMY began stanning other kpop groups, nothing would change. The amount of time, money, energy, and devotion the average ARMY gives to BTS cannot be transferred to any other artist because it is BTS themselves, those individual humans together in a group, that make their work what it is. Any other 7 people under the exact same circumstances, with the exact same music, with the exact same choreo & marketing; would not have achieved the same results. It only works the way it works and it only resonates the way it resonates, because of how those very specific 7 individuals are together. Their specific delivery, voices, stage presence, humor, and how it fits together. So kpoppies are right in a sense; ARMYs love all of BTS' music because it's BTS that sings it. That is correct but that also means the constant detailing of how similar another group is or even how much "better" another group is, is a waste of energy. It's futile to be upset with ARMY over only supporting BTS because we literally CAN'T do these things for anyone else. We can stan others all day but because they aren't those specific 7 people, their music and content isn't going to conjure up the same level of motivation. If another group could have that effect on us then they would have, but they haven't. There's nothing to be done. But, hey, continue to discuss. I'm not above some discourse... obviously lol.
Wow,...so eloquently describing my exact thoughts and feelings! I have come to love BTS as individuals...they are like family, as are all Army. We all resonate on the same frequency; which is spiritual love. Nothing can beat this 'force' that is a rolling wave; gathering momentum all the time. BTS are not 'idols' to me, but 'forerunners' of a spiritual awakening among mankind. Praise God for sweeping us up in this wave of love in these very dark times! BTS is the crest...Army, the wave!
No but this is so true! Started with bts dark and wild album back in 2014 so ive been around a while i tried to get into other kpop groups for years and nothing stuck beyond casual listening. (Its the same with literally any western music lol.) Bts is the only one i consistently watch every video of, buy their docs on weverse, buy every album (still have dark and wild on itunes lol.)
I really agree with you, as an ARMY who does switch up music and groups, nothing really has drawn me like BTS. The only other one that could compare is Seventeen which did drag me out of my K-Pop slump. I don't want to offend anyone, but I feel like they do have some parallels but Seventeen was just never that bold due to the company being REALLY broke (see; literally Seventeen living in a basement pre-debut and it being a joke among carats) and their main fans originally being in the Korean media. But hey, if there are any armycarats who are more informed about this subject because before the last few months I've never really dived this deep so please feel free to teach me!
This is becoming my favorite ARMY/BTS channel. To me, all the flashiness and dance choreos are just the icing on the cake. In order for me to become a solid fan, the music should evoke emotions. I've heard of kpop since the early 2000s but it never piqued my interest because I always thought kpop had this outdated sound. The first time my sister showed me BTS, it was the release of Mic Drop. I was (surprisingly) very impressed at how good and how mainstream they sounded -- but that was it and then I moved on. I felt too old for boy groups and kpop. Fast fwd to end of 2020 and what turned me into an ARMY was Jin's "Epiphany" and V's "Inner Child", two songs without all the flashiness. Those two songs took me deep down the rabbit hole where I discovered a myriad of impressive musical talents/works. Sure, the sound and aesthetics will capture my attention but the lyrics and message is ultimately what will ground me. Additionally, the people I support must also be kind, genuine, and overall good people who's truly passionate about their craft and cares about the world. BTS has proven that. I wish there had been an artist like BTS around when I was a teenager -- would've done wonders for my mental health.
the same for me what turned me into an ARMY was Jin's "Epiphany" I found it looking for motivational songs that was the first time I bothered to read the translation of the lyrics and I love BTS now 💜
yes I agree. I want to support good people. earlier I used to not care about who made the music and just enjoyed it but after bts I feel it's important to know who you are stanning as well
You're so right. BTS musics evoke emotions that I was surprised each time I read the lyrics. I thought they were the same as other kpop groups when I heard Boy With Luv because it was too cutesy for me. So I didnt like it as much. But 2020 came the world went into chaos and BTS released Dynamite. Then they released Life Goes On. Just the right message for the people during pandemic. When I start paying attention to their lyrics I was shook everytime. I even like Boy With Luv after knowing their lyrics again.
Excellent video! You really nailed it in showing what separates BTS from the K-pop industry. I could write a novel about how amazing BTS is, not just as musical artists, but also as humble, compassionate humans who truly love and appreciate their fans. They are beyond comparison, and I will be here waiting for their reunion.
To me, the most attractive feature of BTS is their intentionality behind their music. The lyrics are always meaningful, and the songs in an album have an overarching theme, and the albums have progressions in the messages they want to convey. I have been trying to explore other kpop artists that have similar level of depth but to no avail. That’s why I always go back to BTS.
Same. I've been trying to listen to other K-pop stars but the lyrics are often so trivial and meaningless that it seems like these idols have nothing important to say. No personality, no opinions, just like robots being programmed by labels what to do. They all sound the same, look the same and I just can't feel any bond with someone I would have nothing to talk about. While listening to their songs I don't feel touched and I don't feel emotional depth
@@McLaren1993 Nah you didn't just say that💀💀 there are so many groups with meaningful, beautiful music, bts isn't ths only group that produces and writes their lyrics. Literally most of the kpop songs have it's hidden meaning, and saying that they have no personality and are just like robots is genuinely so disrespectful (also with the 'they all look the same). Stop belittling others hard work just because you're an only bts fan.
I just found this channel yesterday, and I'm quite ashamed that I found you so late, but thank you for giving this constructive information based on facts about Bangtan. I tend to zone out about the kpop industry as a whole and mainly focus on Bangtan. Some of my friends find it weird, but you gave me comfort by saying that it's okay as long as I enjoy Bangtan's music. Thank you so much!
It’s insane how many subscribers she has. With the quality of her videos (and even just the topic being BTS) I’m floored the channel doesn’t have more subs.
I love bts for many reasons. 1. The music is amazing. The lyrics are great. 2. INSANE synchronized choreography. These men put on a fantastic show. 1 song is exhausting. I can't imagine doing a full concert! 3. Their shows are hilarious , intelligent and heartfelt. 4. They're family. They clearly are insanely close and get along well. I've never seen anything like it. There's no dumb drama that's scripted or artifical. 5. They're all natural comedians. 6. Most important- although they are all clearly different with their own personalities - I fell in love with all of them. That being said- they broke the mold on so many levels. It's not enough to be good looking, talented, a great dancer and singer/rapper. People have to actually like you and I checked out other groups and though I like a few. I noticed I'm not into them like bts. From the songs to choreography being sloppy or no passion. They don't make me howl with laughter like bts does. I actually fell hard for them through run bts episode 51. I had tears running down my face laughing so hard. 🤣 after that I binged watched all of run bts. Then I got into their music and started watching their performances . My jaw hit the ground. I cant believe these funny guys were doing these moves and crazy choreography. To me bts is almost a separate entity.
@skorpia g - I feel EXACTLY what you expressed. - It's just the whole package! - Right now I'm in the middle of the amazing documentary series "The Rise of Bangtan". Some episodes (most, actually) make me cry for some touching/sometimes sad reason or other. But before my tears can even dry from that, the guys do something SO hilarious that I'm crying from laughing. They are just the best in so many ways.
I must say as a 67 year old... sadly I never really listened to any music most of my life. It wasn't my thing. However, I discovered BTS 7 August of 2021. It is now the only music I listen to... ever. And I love most of their music...regardless of the genre the song should be in. For example... I had never ever listened to rap. It never made sense to me, I never saw the value in it. And now... I LOVE BTS'S rap. I can't get enough of it. It is brilliant and powerful. Thank you for another great video essay!
@Suzan Rossi same here. I heard about them from my niece but didn't pay too much attention up until this year. I went down that rabbit hole but I'm enjoying the ride.
@@rahmanoyshi idk if people say that we are being biased,that's just not the case w us. We not only love BTS for their music but also respect them for who they are.
My daughters stan kpop while I stan BTS. I could never explain to them why their various groups didn't interest me. I do like a song here and there by someone they stan, but I don't care much for the artists in general. That being said, I LOVE music. Maybe one day they'll stop trying to persuade me that I need to diversify, as if BTS isn't diverse enough. I have tons of respect for the kpop industry and its artists. Becoming an idol is no easy thing, but I'm not a child/teen/young adult. I want more than an idol. 💜
As a 43 yr old woman, I’m into Christian rock song and contemporary. I’d tried to listen in other K-pop songs but honestly it’s not my thing. I’m drawn to BTS because they are relatable, their music gives comfort with sincere and honest emotions. Through their music helps me to overcome depression and stress in life. Including the Run BTS show that helps me to laugh in life and not be serious all the time.
It seems crazy to me that people believe that it is an obligation to listen to an entire industry, many of us are casual listeners of many genres and bts is the only exception for many
as a BTS stan who rarely listens to kpop and doesn't like being grouped with kpop stans I'm looking forward to this video!!! Edit 11:57 exactly my experience as a baby army. i was excited to look into other kpop groups too because i thought they would be as amazing as bts. but i was wrong ofc. nowadays i occasionally listen to a kpop song but i don't stan any groups other than bts.
@@octaviamarshall1266 If I don't listen to any rap but I like Nicki Minaj, does that make me a rap stan? You see how that logic falls apart once you apply it to other industries?
I always answer people who ask that ridiculous question with "I like Johnny Cash. But funny enough I never have country music fandoms coming at me asking why I don't like Carrie Underwood or Waylon Jennings. Why do other fandoms believe I have to support the industry? Why can't I just like one group like with any other music I consume?" Of course they never have an answer because their question is insane and happens with NO other music.
I don't wanna say ' Thank you ' because, at this point, it really feels like an understatement. I just love the way you explain ARMY's perspective of Kpop so well and with clear purity. I can't thank you enough, to be honest. I'm glad I stumbled on your videos. Keep up the good work
I feel like BTS has especially proved themselves as true artist whenever they’ve debuted solo. I consider myself a causal fan, but I’ve done deep dives into their discographies both as a group and individually. BTS continues to put out quality music that really resonates with your soul. Listening to their instrumentals and getting goosebumps then reading their lyrics and it resonating with you. Their music is their story and most kpop groups’ albums just have a bunch of songs jammed in but there’s isn’t much thought about the flow. I ALWAYS listen to full albums for most groups I’m a bit interested in and honestly BTS’ discography is unmatched. But everyone has different taste in music so take this with a grain of salt.
Sorry to interrupt but don't you think 'we on' by BTS is as good as dynamite and spring day, those are 99% army favourite and rest song are divided but I could not get over ' we on' till now it's already 9 year , it's really good or its delusion like as many army don't like their old songs and maybe never tried to know 💜
@@blossom6693 It's not like we don't like their old songs, if you look at it, ARMYs' fav songs comes from old ones. Idk bout dynamite coz It's not their usual output. They already accepted that they lost their way and that's how dynamite and butter came, that era was not what they planned but still since fans grew massively after dynamite era so many like that one. So we can't say dynamite was the best one out there for favourites but pls SPRING DAY is very special to our heart. Never let this song down! This carries deep emotions and that's why this song is called the QUEEN of all BTS songs among us. All of their songs re so good, catchy, full of emotions, and so deep but there are some that stands far from all and Spring Day is one of them. It's my fav too(along with some other) Not saying WE ON is bad, but pls don't say like that. Lastly we all can have different tastes
@@Amii007ApoBangpo I mean to say that their old songs are underrated YK , spring day is definitely good but other songs also deserve better like in`we on' they announced that they are here only for music which is almost in the beginning of their career which is hella crazy knowing their background and big3 company sabotage
@@blossom6693 Songs depends on the taste of music that can differ from person to person. Spring day was made on the Sewol Ferry Disaster in Korea, where many kids died. It carries so much pain. I understand you, and I myself feel that some songs are underrated. So I'm not saying you're wrong, your way of saying it was wrong. The way you said firstly that WE ON is so better than Spring Day, it was kinda rude. Every song of theirs, is really so good. There's a song that tells their story of how they were looked down by their own country. There's a song that tells who they're. There are so many that we can't count. So I hope you won't say like this.
@@Amii007ApoBangpo ok I will edit that, I really want some of their song to get recognision bcz those are hella unique so say that out of emotions,we will edit the message
I hate when kpop fans come after ARMYs for "not giving others even a chance". I'm just like, what makes you think we didn't? 😭 This video is so spot on. I was the perfect definition of "general public" prior to becoming an ARMY, I had a few artists I was paying more attention to but nothing too deep (except for Little Mix, those have been my queens since 2012). After discovering BTS it encouraged me to actually explore music which I wouldn't have normally given a chance to, and I found a lot of songs and artists that I like now. Sadly, 99% of k-pop just wasn't "it" for me. And just like you said, BTS is amazing even without all the beautiful visuals, breathing choreography and everything else that is a norm in k-pop (not that they lack in those areas). Most ARMYs follow BTS for what they have to say, not for what they wear or how they move. Sure, kpop gives you everything in one package (dancing, singing, rapping, high-quality MVs, pretty faces to look at), but if the music - which should be the number one priority (and isn't most of the time) - isn't good, you're not gonna turn a GP into a loyal, loving fan.
I really don’t care what K-pop fans thinks about not giving other artists a chance. Those same fans were belittling BTS success and hating them for achieving world recognition; are now trying to force BTS fans to listen to more K-pop artists. The K-pop artists coming to the US are 2nd rate and the music is awful. I rather listen to non kpop Korean artists such as Park Hyo Shin & Paul Kim.
@@btsforever1872 Same, I have no reason to care about the opinion of some musical bottom-feeders 🤣. I'm happy with letting BTS represent Korea for me when Japanese music doesn't occupy my mind.
I’m the only ARMY I know who doesn’t stan any other groups. A lot of the multi-stans I meet act like this is some kind of issue that needs to be fixed. What can I say? Pop music isn’t something I typically want to spend a lot of time listening to. Instead I found myself enjoying different genres of music that I would have already enjoyed in English (my native language). I wouldn’t have found these Korean artists if not for BTS. Thank you for acknowledging that everyone has their own music journey. I’m not here to diss idol music. To me, it just didn’t make sense for my tastes
I listen to other groups, but I can't say that I stan any of them except for BTS. It's too overwhelming for me to follow more than one group with how fast-paced and hectic the industry is.
Omg exactly! I used to consider myself a “multi-stan” because I liked more than one group but now I realize that I was just a causal listener and there’s nothing wrong with that! I think the kpop community always makes you feel that you need to instantly stan one or more groups as soon as you start or you’re not a “real kpop fan” like damn, can’t I just like the music? 😭
and when I tell my Kpop stans friends that Im not a kpop fan, only an ARMY.. I was once a kpop fan tho... they keep telling me that it's the same thing, NO HONEY it is not.
What I also find a bit annoying from K-Pop fans/journalists is the whole idea that you have to either be a 'stan' or don't listen to a group/artist at all. There is no room for casual listening. Like you said, a lot if not the majority of ARMYs, DO listen to other Korean artists (including idol music), but we're just not a 'stan'. We just don't dedicate twitter accounts to those artists like we do with BTS, but that doesn't mean we don't enjoy them. Not everyone has to have a 'stanlist' of 35 artists, just be a casual listener
You know, some ARMYs say that having a stanlist with more than only BTS means you are not a 'true' ARMY It's kinda similar situations: both about staning and both kinda doesn't make sense
@@Yor_han I’ve not really heard any ARMY say this, but maybe that kind of rhetoric is just not in my ARMY circles. What I do see often however is kpop fans with a little bio on their platform that has every artist they are a ‘stan’ of in it, often very very long lists. I think it all comes down to how you define stanning, being a fan, being a casual listener, etc. And there seems to be a very big difference between how ARMY define that and how K-Pop fans and journalists define it. And this is where the friction comes in. K-Pop fans think once you listen to someone and like a couple of songs this makes you a fan or ‘stan’. ARMYs think you’re a casual listener in that case, and not a fan. So when you’re not 100% committed to BTS in streaming, voting, etc. you’re not really what many ARMY would consider a ‘stan’. And there is nothing wrong with that. But because K-Pop fans would consider themselves a fan even though they don’t vote or listen to an artist consistently, they get super offended when ARMYs don’t consider them a fan
@@Yor_han that only applies to people (multis) who clearly disregard and throw bts and armys under the bus in favour of their other groups. it's a twitter thing some multis do. it's annoying.
You are so right. I am that Army that you just described. The number one factor that made me an Army is that BTS are REAL artists and not puppets. Real artists for real people who cares about life and its journey.
@@EverRoxas armys : praising bts in a bts related channel peacefully You, probably a multi or kpoppie : bTs iS nOt tHe oNlY oNe... like be serious, when someone says their parents are best does that mean other's parents are not best? obviously NO. Like a lil bit of common sense is needed, nothing else
As an ARMY who listens to KPOP quiet a lot: I first came for the music. So I thought I should be fair to the industry. So I did. Listened to Kpop from 1st gen to 4th gen and discovered many masterpieces. And among the ones I liked, few (countable) left a connection, but for the majority, they were bops. But I still thought it isn't fair to not go down the listener route of understanding the group and their efforts cause I didn't want to be ignorant of any aspects. So I did. But then I realised that a lot of it is dependent upon the fans. And the fans have given me so much pain and confusion. The disregard for BTS is so high that people shit talk you with no idea of your life and journey. Moreover none of them values an artistic journey. And so many among the 'ex army' who talk about the 'better era' talk with hatred. Which I fail to understand because a good artist is bound to go through the highs and lows. But they must keep experimenting despite that. Because otherwise their music becomes stale and repetitive. And even in the so called bad era, so many tracks have the exact aspects they want. But they no more listen (which is hundred % ok) but will still make some crooked explanation as to why they must still hate. And that's where the difference comes. Kpop doesn't care about artistry. Namjoon said 'the problem with kpop it doesn't allow you to grow' ie. *It expects you to be a machine that keeps running super fast until you inevitably die within few years. And kpop doesn't care about that death. Ok one group disbanded? So what there are 100 more left. Who is the next big band?* Thereby the attitude is never about the music. With BTS, purely based off of all the layers to their music (not including MV, Dance, Outfits or BU yet) has had the capability to induce emotion. Like the lyrical complexity of one out of plenty of songs like 'Ddaeng' to the complexity in musicality in 'Lie' explained by musicians as a purposefully change in minor to major to induce a painful and contradicting joy/euphoria when listening to it. This one aspect alone was capable of making me feel a exemplified personal connection with BTS. But then you include all the previous factors I neglected and then its complexity, it really healed me. It exists in Kpop. Many many artists who value that journey, and who value the artistic process. But get drenched under the everyday releases. I have huge respect for a lot of artists in kpop, and a decent amount of idols. I have also followed a patient and endearing journey with many. But unfortunately, I still can say *Because of the disregard I felt due to kpop, because they endlessly try to alienate me and my interest this group they hate, I have never fully been able to discover it with a mind of peace* Even naming BTS in kpop videos feels like am naming voldermort. Because I have had way too many experiences with just their mention (in the most appropriate and fitting place only and not anywhere and everywhere in an irritating way) and I still have been thrown hate over no valid reasons.
There reason they throw hate is explained in the video. BTS is bigger than just kpop and for a lot of fans of the industry that makes them different than the rest and people don't like someone who stands out like a sore thumb. The playing fields isn't the same so to many it's not "fair". Their current favorite group should be getting attention as well.
so true.. kpop stans are the worst i am always nervous just looking at twitter. i hate when some other fandom try to brag about their stans achievements and say BTS is bad and what not. one thing is not liking the groups music witch is totally fine, but another is shitting on BTS and army for liking them. the only thing they learn from their groups are hate and jealousy. BTS teach us how to love ourself and overcome hardships in life and be a good human. and even if you dont believe in the BTS power, they should not undermining it impact BTS has on other people and wish BTS gone just because they want their stan to win an award. kpop stans ruin BTS reputation from outsiders who dont understand how it works. and that´s why army response negative to when the media compare BTS to other kpop groups for me BTS is the evolution of kpop but the kpop dont want to change. some has the memebers help writing music and even produce music. but if you are instructed in how to produce what the company wants you to sing then it´s not your own style and choice of music. when you write from the heart and make a song you really love. and see how fans also love it that will make you proud
fr!! i once saw this video about the creator showing the comparisons between 2 groups (i forgot which ones) and there was a moment that largely resembled a bts one. i saw someone bring it up in the comments. as i was about to respond “omg i was also thinking that!”, i saw hundreds of comments telling the op not to bring bts into everything it literally made no sense to me because if it was any other group, they wouldn’t have said anything i honestly don’t get the hate with bring bts into a situation that makes sense
I just don't interact with fans of ANY KIND when it seems like they might be toxic. Especially that hell Twitter. Cuz fans are mostly blind teenagers, of any fandom, and they will make you feel like shit for just liking what you like. I'm a multistan with BTS as my ult and have both the fandoms not bashed me equivalently for being an ARMY and also a multi! Criticize any group and they'll be like 'Ofcourse you're an ARMY'. Defend other groups and explain to ARMYs that there are other people who are talented and that they shouldn't generalize kpop when they don't even know anything about kpop other than BTS, and then ARMYs would call me a fake ARMY and what not. At this point I only interact with my real life friends, thankfully most of them are kpop stans or ARMYs (more like I turned them into, the ones I turned into ARMYs are also multistan cuz they didn't have a fixed perception beforehand).
This explains a lot to me. I'm relatively new ARMY (infantry?), having only discovered BTS Oct 2021. It's only recently that I've started looking at other groups, but, while I enjoy a selection of songs, I haven't really clicked as well with the groups themselves. Thinking on it, though, the only other group that I've really clicked with was ABBA. I told my friends that I'm just slowly working my way through the alphabet! 😂 It only took me 40 years to go from A to B.
beautiful explanation. It is not a group project so why are we forced to listen to other artists? And with BTS announcing their solo projects, a lot of fandoms were like "now that BTS is gone, Army's will come flooding our fav" and I laughed so hard because from the outside they hate on Army's, and BTS, they throw racial slurs, xenophobic comments and just genuine hate for us, but the moment they heard about the "hiatus" (which was actually just them pausing OT7 projects for solo projects) they wanted Army's so badly to join that Fandom. They act like they hate us, but they're so envious of our loyalty, love and relationship with our boys. I listened to other kpop artists and their music is not meaningful at all, they create songs for tiktok and edits, nothing from their concepts, lyricism and creativity comes close to BTSs and that's why I love BTS. They tackle issues through their music, give comfort, speak about their struggles, the bond bts and Army share, and many more. You look at songs like converse high, and immediately thing it's about them hating converse, when it's not, or fake love, and think it's about love between your significant other whereas they talk about the fake love they have for their raw selves, how they wear masks to cover up their flaws, and only show the world what they desire to see within them, etc. BTS songs are really a great example of "don't judge a book by its cover" whereas in their case its "don't judge music by its artists ethnicity". BTS are not kpop, they are a genre itself because they don't only focus on one genre like hip hop, they do a plethora of it, mixing genres to find their taste. If you love and appreciate music and it's lyricism, BTS is definitely a must listen.
I found BTS in 2015, I was an 18 year-old girl in the middle of an existential crisis because I had no dream so of course I completely connected with their music and was blown away by their talent and performances. Since they were going to music and award shows, I was exposed to every group at the same events as them. I even intended to dive deep into kpop because I was curious but I lost all interest as months went by, it just wasn't my thing but instead BTS became THE Artists of my life, they definitely were and still are very different from others. Now that they are going to their military service, I've constantly seen other people doing comments like "now armys are going to go to other kpop groups" which makes me laugh because BTS aren't "disposable" or "replaceable" to me and I'm perfectly fine with waiting as long as it takes for them. I'm a big fan of other artists like McFly and Ed Sheeran and they got years between albums so I'll be okay 👍
8:57 "To become a BTS fan, you only need to listen to the music" So true!! For me at least. I became a fan after listening to Crystal Snow, DNA and Let go, I had no idea what they looked like, their mvs or performances for a week or so afterwards.
When I got into BTS in 2016, I love their music/lyrics and their discography throughout their albums and era, especially their messages about self-love, struggle of mental healths/youth, problems in society, and a lot more. BTS is the only artists that really and truly understand the meaning of life and self-love, that what made BTS unique and stand out the most. BTS are really passionate about the artistry growth in music, and trying out different genres/styles in their music. To be honest, BTS is like the only artist that really do talks about these important topics, that not so many K-pop artists/groups and even western artists, but now, most music are mostly about s3ggs, dr*gs, and “girls/woman needs to look pretty to get approval by men” those type of songs. Don’t get me wrong, there are some K-pop groups that do talk about self-love, and I have no problem with that, but sometimes, the concept of self-love from other groups does feel empty and meaninglessness.
I also became an ARMY in 2016, in all these years I notice how the industry will try anything BTS did successfully but the manufacture in it smells like new car out of the fabric. Too cut clean, too right amount of rebellion but not that would censor it, or straight out edgy with no sensitivity to the topics they are supposed to be talking about. I can see through the pretty facade they try so hard to present as sincerity, as much as I was able to see the honesty in BTS. We aren't dumb consumers, that's why they keep failling in turning GP into Kpop fans, they underestimate our intelligence.
Tbh, BTS were trying to spread a positive message to Armys to love themselves with the LOVE YOURSELF trilogy albums. But other K-pop groups just turned it into a meaningless concept with I absolutely couldn't STAND. Not only me, many ARMYS at my school were furious with the treatment.
@@Bread_Jinie BTS speaks about Love yourself through introspection, self discovery and the acceptance of black, white and all the grays in between. Is not only "I love myself" in a selfish, egocentric or careless way, but "I love myself" through the pain and the scars and the sadness and loneliness and low self-confidence that one goes through life to get to the point of saying it, as comfort and hope, as healing, rather than a war cry to shut others. The companies that make these idols do the concept don't understand that "love yourself" is not a concept for BTS, is an earned lesson from years of work and effort, is the resolution to a conflict that they explored in past albums and eras. That's why is so unearned, so void of meaning and weight.
and also when other groups get dragged for some reason kpopies always bring bts and army and try to shift the topic to bts and also sometimes kpopies blame armys without any reason without any proof like armys did that or this . They love to blame bts , armys and spread the agendas like armys are so toxic , they are close minded armys are evil etc.
Remeber that army WAS once a kpop fandom consisting of mainly 99% kpop fans. Before BTS blew up overseas. And they were toxic af, just like other kpop fandoms.Nowdays I barely see toxic armys, at least not on youtube (I quit using Twitter so idk the situation there)
@@MakiMissRight The bigger a fandom is the more toxic people there is. If let's say 1% of a fandom are toxic that's still a huge number of people from a fandom that's big. Most kpop fandoms have toxic fans and in general kpop fans are too sensitive and take everything minor as an attack on their fandom or their favs. It's tiering honestly. Breathe slowly, armys are big fandom, BTS are huge group. You don't need to rush out at me like a rabid dog thinking I'm attacking you now. That just shows weird insecurity Are you a fan just for the music or to be a part of a "side". "We against them " mentality? You'll grow out of it soon. Hopefully.
@@generalesdeath8157 ain't no one reading that essay. By your logic though army is the biggest fandom, blinks is counted as the most toxic, the number of fans doesn't increase the toxicity.
This whole video hit the nail. I already consider myself an old soul and only really listen to old R&B & Hiphop because today’s music just doesn’t do it for me but I got into BTS during the Dynamite era and when I dug deep into their discography I was pleasantly surprised because I’ve already heard so many negative things about kpop. I actually was very excited to try out other kpop artist after BTS but then was highly disappointed 😭. That’s when I knew I had to stan them because not only their content made me happy but I genuinely enjoyed their music and that’s hard to find in this day and age. I will say BTS has got me interested in listening to other music outside my language and I am now more open to other genres. I even enjoy a lot of of Kr&b & K-Indie artist now but that’s about it for me out of the Korean market.
This is so true. I myself started with Big Bang, then when i lose interest, I discovered Stray Kidz, I also lose interest in them thereafter. I found BTS when I was searching for a variety of music where I could relate the lyrics in my life. I discovered different groups and soloist too, Mamamoo, Everglow, Dreamcatcher, Jessi, Ichillin', TxT, NewJeans to name a few, but I always go back to BTS as my top artist. It doesnt mean that I hate other idol groups or soloist. Its all about music taste and messages, and for me, BTS has it all.
One of the biggest impacts BTS has had on me is expanding my music taste and appreciation. Before, i only listened to the typical pop music on the radio and didn’t even bother to look into anything else. But after them, i started to like other genres such as rap, hip hop and ballads. The notion of a ‘genre’ became blurred and now i just love a song because i like it. Not because its a pop song with a catchy melody. But because i can appreciate more components of what makes it good. Either lyrics, vocals, the instrumental or the meaning for the artist.
I’ve always felt alienated by popular music regardless of whether it was western, kpop, or American country music because many people do NOT make their music asexual, aromantic or autistic friendly. For a while the only bands I didn’t feel alienated by were rock bands, metal bands and alternative/punk music. Then BTS came along, and not only did they have very sensory friendly music (most if not all their songs have a very gentle background and even those that are fast paced give you a lot of breaks in between verses to collect yourself), but they also cover a variety of topics and human emotions and do it WELL. I’ve never liked positivity anthems because they were super vague and make it feel like you were at fault for not being happy, but BTS’s love yourself series not only show that it’s okay to stumble while trying to love yourself, they also did it with a message about how we’re losing ourselves because society keeps telling us that a romantic relationship is everyone’s end goal when no, it really isn’t, and there are other types of loves and goals out there (like self love). That was what I really appreciated as an aro-ace person, something that validated my existence (which I still absolutely can’t find these days) And even with their solo works, they’re still making varied content, still making sensory friendly music, not meandering around with their lyrics and messages, have love songs that are actually about different types and not just about romantic love, and are straightforward and direct. And that’s what makes them so great. I am never leaving.
I just want to say that you are so right (about the asexual and aromantic aspect) I remember trying to share a BTS song with one of my sisters and all she kept saying is that it was another love song. I tried to explain that it wasn’t and that it was actually aromantic and how it was beautiful. I really tried to make her see that BTS’s lyricism goes beyond what it seems in the surface. I eventually gave up trying to show her BTS songs because she told me that she didn’t care the messages of the songs she only liked songs to dance that she did not enjoy just listening to songs the only songs she enjoyed were the songs she could dance to with a good beat. So I try to change my perspective and try to show her BTS songs that have good beats to dance to. I try to show her the song far away by Agust D and people by August D, also love myself answer, magic shop, and Epiphany. Her response was very unexpected she told me “I don’t get why teenagers these days like dumb music that talk about dy*ng and feeling very sad. It’s stup*d it’s just damaging your brain. But you can listen to what ever you want, but I don’t get why people would want to listen to that. These days young people are so emotional they are not prepared for real life and they are so whiny. She also told me that in her days she liked a band that was called “Rebelde RBD”(a spanish speaking band of boys and girls). But that I take it too far with BTS. That I am obsessed and that I should live life and not only see them through screens. That I should go out and party and make friends and that I am wasting my life listening to BTS. Of course I didn’t take what she said to heart even if it did hurt my feelings in someway. I still love her obviously she’s my sister she will be there for me when I fall she will help me pick myself up. But I don’t agree with her, all the things she said are so wrong in so many different ways. Now I have officially given up on persuading her because I’ve realized she will never understand and I have tried for so long on so many different subjects but she always thinks she knows more because she’s older she always tells me “El diablo sabe mas por viejo que por diablo” = “The devil knows more for being old rather than for being the devil” BTS lyricism saved me, it made me rethink a decision that would 끝 my life. It made me realize that I wanted to be a part of this family called army for the rest of my life to share each other’s happiness and support each other in hard times and that there will always be a spring day waiting and that we’re never walking alone and that it is OK to be sad to be angry to be happy and most of all that it is OK to show it. Of course nobody knows this, nobody knows that they are the reason I can smell the flowers or that I can see the snow or that I can feel pain when I fall of my bicycle or that I can be screaming at the TV because BTS won the award they were nominated for, or that I can “waste” my time listening to BTS songs. And they will never know because they will never understand and I’m OK with that I’ve learned to live with all these scars because of BTS and I am proud of being an army I am proud that I can share such delicate experiences with this family and That I can be confident that nobody will judge me but you my family can uplift me. -I Love you all thanks for listening to my ranting goodbye have a great day 💜
Well said! Ahh it's such a mood, I'm probably looking in the wrong places but so many mainstream songs of many genres are focused on romantic love, and that so many Bangtan songs /aren't/ when I explored the lyrics was such a breath of fresh air for me, and really drew me in.
Here’s another point: I’m a fan of BTS because I love the music, but another reason is because I care about the members. They’ve done such a good job of giving ARMY reasons to know and love them. Their VLives, interviews, and shows like Run BTS helps me know about their personalities, interests, etc. I’ve invested a lot of time learning about these guys and I can’t imagine investing that same amount of time getting to know the members of another K-pop group. It’s not that I don’t think there are wonderful people in other groups, but their music has failed to “hook” me the way that BTS’s has, so I have no motivation to fall down that rabbit hole. (Plus, I’m not rich enough to be a fan of more than one group…K-pop merch is expensive 👀) Before BTS, I mostly listened to indie and alt. rock. My music taste has evolved since then, and I will listen to other K-pop songs. I just don’t care as much about other groups; they haven’t captivated me the way BTS has, and I think that’s okay. Not everyone has to be a K-pop fan. 🤷🏽♀️
I became a kpop fan in late 2012 -- before BTS debuted -- when my high school daughter learned about k-dramas and kpop from classmates. I liked a lot of the music, even drove 6 hours to Chicago several times to take her to see B.A.P, ViXX and Block B concerts. I still listen to some of the early music that I discovered then -- EXO, Infinite, SHINee, Bigbang and others. But as I learned more and more about BTS, my focus shifted to them. First it was because of the lyrics and the stories of BTS Universe that were so complex and touching and beautiful. As time went on, and so much content was created by and about BTS, there wasn't enough time to digest all of it, let alone pay attention to other groups, lol! I can't get away from BTS because I'm so in love with their personalities, their inspiration, their thoughtfulness and intelligence, the love and acknowledgment they give back to us, EVERYTHING! No other group in my 64 years of listening to music has given me all that BTS has -- every day they inspire, uplift, teach me something new, give me energy, give me hope and joy and sunshine. Borahae, my friends! 💜💜💜
i started ...because of doughter with anime songs and then some japanes artists, than chinese and korean with movies and songs from series, BTS came thrue dance reactors, and music stuck...i wanted to know more, see more...i am 54 old...and yes they stay because of who they are, the BTS as whole💜
Kinda similar to me. A friend from school showed me a lot of kpop videos around 2010-2012 and I kinda found it interesting, but didn't really found any group interesting until we found BTS
When BTS won BBMAs and placed themselves in hot 100 chart for the first time, that's when I knew they were really blowing up in music industry and I wasn't a fan of BTS or kpop at the time ! It happened slowly as I got to know them and what they stand for, I tried to check out other kpop idols but I found myself coming back to BTS ! I really liked how kpop MVs had huge production and attractive visuals but with BTS it's beyond that and that's why I am still here !
I became a fan at my lowest point (depression). BTS’ music helped me so much to love myself and trust the process. They still do even if they are on a break now. No other k-pop has done the same so far. Thank you for making this video. Borahae. 💜
This was definitely an interesting video. I'm a kpop stan, but not a BTS stan myself although I do enjoy some of their songs. Something interesting I thought of while watching is how integral writing and producing their own music seems to have for many fans. I wonder if the expansion of idols who do produce and write their own songs (ex: 3racha, Soyeon, and many more) is due to BTS's crazy success. Perhaps it played a part in companies wanting their own artists to pursue those avenues in the hope to reach a similar level to BTS? Idk. Just a thought that occurred.
Watch trend that BTS has created from the same channel Watch BTS ARMY Documentary You never walk alone part 1 and 2 Read the lyrics of BTS songs paradise, Epiphany, love myself, nevermind, mikrokosmos etc And watch The rise of bangtan docu-series chapter 1-21
Well, in my opinion- no. Tbh self-prouducing was already a thing in the kpop industry. Many groups from 2nd gen was _already_ producing their songs, including successful groups like SNSD, SuJu,. B.A.P, Bigbang etc. The difference is that, it WASN'T their *main* "meta-point". Like SuJu is known as the legendary grp with many accolades, but how many people know(or even care) that they had produced a lot of their songs?? None. The thing about BTS is that, they were the first ones(or one of the very first ones) who TRULY EMPHASIZED on the importance of self-prouducing. They went against the general principle of the industry, which treated self-prouducing as an add-on, not a main charm and told us that it WAS an important aspect of artistry afterall. Apart form BTS, only SVT were a grp that truly *boasted of* their producing skills(even earning the title of self-prouducing idols), but even that was kinda unintentional. Which means, they did produce and took pride in it, but didn't think of turning it into a marketting strategy. BTS were the only one that did, and that's what set them apart from the rest of k-pop grps.
Actually writing and producing songs is great for any artists and it's admirable , but the message the songs deliver , or the way it deliver is what makes someone a real producer in the end , so ... just writing and being producer alone won't make any difference if what you produce isn't really reaching the depths of the audiences heart.
I was into rock, punk, funk, classical, global folk music, and sporadic songs of other genres, until I met BTS during their HYYH era, when I was 45. I was blown away by what I missed having no idea of kpop's existence until then and the first thing I did was to search for other kpop acts. And it was disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. As an army, I watch all the k-award shows where kpop presents its best products each year. And they range from forgettable to unbearable for my ears. All these years, the only songs I enjoyed while waiting for BTS to take the stage are 2 by mamamoo, 1 by super junior, 1 by got7, 1 by dreamcatcher, 1 by jessi - plus some trot, rock and ballads that aren't kpop anyway.
same!! i got introduced during the HYYH era, and i was blown away by that album, i tried looking for more music like this album but no one did come close. No one does it like BTS ever since their debut.
Your perspectives are so fresh and you expertly articulate your stances with evidence. I am grateful for this channel. It contributes to similar endeavors of BTS and BigHit by illuminating the unconscious limitations and boundaries set by a U.S.-centric music industry. Thank you - what a fabulous way to begin my weekend! borahae, boracity magazine!
Thank you so much for saying this for most of us! Growing up loving metal and rap, never thought i would enjoy BTS. I tried to give a chance to kpop, but nothing really got my attention and i got bored after listening to some catchy songs 2-3 times. I've always loved strong lyricism and BTS gave me exactly what i want in music. I really wished everyone would be open-minded and give them a chance. Their discography is so huge that they might find at least a song they like. Thank you BTS for your dedication and the passion you put into your music and performances. Thank you for coming into music industry and raising the standards 💜
I'm a headbanger and also love Hip-Hop music...never into K-Pop...but I love BTS so much!! I'm an ARMY and their music makes me feel so much alive and brings such happiness to me. Lots of my friends and families often ask me if there's another K-Pop group/songs I like besides BTS, and I always answer them that I'm not into K-Pop, I only like BTS. It's hard for them to understand me and hard for me to explain it why...but I know that my fellow ARMY would understand what I'm trying to say. For me BTS is every genre and their music is so good and they're all great Artists. My 7 Legends!!
I was into metal/grunge/rock music before BTS. I listened to a lot of pop as well and was a huge Lady Gaga fan but rock was my ... well rock haha. I always went back to it. I got introduced to BTS by watching a Pewdiepie video and he reacted to Not Today. I don't know what it was about that song but it completely took over. I started listening to more and more BTS songs and also explored a lot of other Kpop groups. BTS's music is just on another level. There's fun, silly, serious, sad, deep, inspiring, dancing, and just so many different types of songs that can fit into any mood you're in. BTS has become my rock now. While I do still listen to my old favorite bands (especially MCR) BTS is my go to now. They've been my #1 played artists on spotify and RU-vid music. Now don't get me wrong there is songs I do not like from them. I'm not the type of fan who loves everything artists put out. It makes me upset when people tell me I'm not a real fan because I don't like a song. For example people come after me when I tell them I do not like Spring Day. To me it just sounds really loud and I feel like I can't hear the vocals cause of that siren sound. We can't be expected to love every single song that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the song it just means we personally don't like it and that's okay. I really liked this video you talked about a lot things thay frustrated me and I felt seen honestly. I will forever love BTS and I can't wait for them to come back to us and gives us more music. 💜💜💜💙💙💙❤️❤️❤️
Oh wow. I never noticed that on Spring Day. That part never caught my ear. And I hope it still doesn't, it might ruin it for me. Mine is Whalien 52. Love the lyrics and the rap and vocal, but there is a high pitched noise in the production that I just can't do the song. I think it was supposed to be a sound at 52hz. It literally gives me a migraine.
At the end of the day, it is much better to say that BTS is not limited to Kpop. Separating the boys completely to Kpop is absurd. We are winning and taking Kpop awards left and right and bragging about "first Kpop act" titles and records. It's confusing and a little hypocritical to sweep the Kpop tag under the rag when clearly, BTS was part of that industry since day one. Yes, BTS has become bigger than Kpop. They have elevated their music that's why our boys have become the biggest group in the planet but no matter how you detach them, Kpop will always be part of them because they still belonged in the industry.
i really don't understand why you would want them to always be associated with that industry when it so obviously takes all the credit away from them every time. the same industry that has sabotaged and used their names to further their own agenda countless of times. have you forgotten why their name was even dragged into the enlistment issue? bc other kpop entertainment companies brought it up. remember the vendetta mbc has with them after they were the one who insulted them by not giving them the last stage during the 2018 year end music festival? the defaming articles. the lack of acknowledgement for their achievements by the korean media. the exaggeration of the achievements of other groups in articles so obviously paid for by their companies. the continuous struggle to find the next BTS when they are still very much active and still have so much to achieve. using their name in articles about other groups. there was a time when every article about bts mentioned the entirety of kpop. like could you imagine journalists mentioning other female pop stars while writing an article about Taylor swift?? that kpop tag has always been disadvantageous to them. the association has helped the kpop industry a lot but it has done nothing for bts. so i don't think we're in the wrong to not want them to be associated with "kpop"
@@thetunafromsupertuna2169 so you would rather them be associated with the american industry? the one that shows them blatant racism and xenophobia? why value the american industry more when if anything, that industry has been worse towards them than the korean one?
@@skzpinklover9277 where did i say that? bts are their own thing. they don't need to be associated with any industry in order to thrive. don't try and twist my words based on your assumption that they just have to be associated with a specific industry or that they need a label to carry them forward. they don't. both industry's are trash but the kpop one is even worse bc they were supposed to be bangtan's own people and yet the tannies were constantly undermined and insulted by them.
@@thetunafromsupertuna2169 i wasn’t trying to twist your words i just didn’t understand what you were trying to say bc if they shouldn’t be associated with the korean industry then which one would you rather them be associated with? whether you like it or not they’ll always be associated with an industry
@the tuna from super tuna What "we" want is irrelevant. Only BTS has the power to actually disassociate themselves from kpop, and they haven't. Everything else is just a bunch of talk.
i can relate. never heard of kpop until i stumbled upon bts on youtube. once i became fascinated i checked out other kpop groups thinking i'd find another favourite group. i was sadly mistaken. i admire kpop groups hard work and efforts and even talents but almost every song was just pure meaningless noise. i honestly dont even have a second favourite kpop group. on the other hand i have an entire playlist of other non kpop korean artists that i've started listening to. and were it not for bts, i would have never discovered these other korean musicians. one thing i wish she clarified is at 7:20 when she said it wasn't a thing in kpop to write ur own music. i think it did exist but wasn't as prevalent as it is within other types of korean music. cause didn't g-dragon write music? he's the only one i'm aware of but there might have been others.
i should have clarified😭 what i meant at 7:20 was that being a songwriter was not a thing kpop fans paid attention to. it was only after bts that i saw people talking about a "composer line" or "the songwriter of the group" when they didn't care about it before
@@boracitymagazine thanx for clarifying. i've watched all of ur previous videos and have always admired the amount of research that goes into it. it can't be easy but i know u do ur best to be as accurate as possible. i respect that and as always, u've created another great and insightful video. you nice, keep going 💜
He did - but I’ve mentioned this before, even if they did write their own music it was still “playing it safe” and the lyrics were very amatonormative. For Asian aroaces who grew up with that, like me…it still did not have the impact that BTS did because they would write about varied human feelings that were a relief amongst all the pushing of romance down our throats.
Actually exols and many fandoms mocked BTS at their early stage cause they were writing and producing songs, saying they don't have any writers and producers to effort these. Well look what happened, this turned out great and we got such beautiful lyrics from them in time, That now kpop groups wants to write music and produce songs. And brag about having their artist write lyrics and produce.
I listened to so many genres before i found BTS in it's entirety. From Queen to Poets of the Fall to Eminem to T. Swift to even their so called 1st and 2nd gen kpop, but what's different is that there are selected few songs that i like from these artists which is normally because of their music genre, their voice in particular or because it's catchy while it's the latter for BTS. I resonate with literally all of BTS music so much that it's hard to not put them on top of anyone else. The more i listened to them, the more i feel like they're telling a story to me, the kinds that is addictive because it's so good but also makes you want to be a better person at the same time. I believe for a true ARMY, their visuals and choreo are just a cherry on top. This video is so well presented! Thank you!
Very well said! I was never into K-pop. I am considered a new ARMY (I became one after I saw their Dynamite performance at the Grammy’s in early 2021). Their showmanship is superb and I got hooked right away. I did an extensive research on BTS and listened to other songs that made me wonder why I haven’t known about them. I also love the fact that they’re really humble and down to earth. I have never seen any other artists or celebrities pour their love into their fanbase like BTS does.
This is very true, after finding BTS I listened to other k-pop music, and they were nice, but usually had no meaning. Before BTS I was fan of Coldplay, The Killers, Florence and the Machine, Legião Urbana, and for me their songs always had a message. Thank you for another amazing video Bora, love you!
BTS are their own genre to me. Their music is actually REALLY good. The lyrics, the voices, the harmonies-all superior. But in addition, they are incredible dancers/actors/models/performers. They are, quite simply, incredible artists. When they return from military service, they will have even more to write about, new experiences, new perspectives to share. They are artists and will continue to use their lives to hone their craft. They are my forever idols, but also so much more than that. The emotions they inspire feel personal, as if we have a real, mutual affection and concern. We will never forget BTS and yes, they will go down in history. They will be remembered like The Beatles, who put the British sound on the map and ushered in the British wave. If other Korean acts don’t benefit from the doors they opened, it is because of themselves. (“We” meaning ARMY and BTS, not me and BTS.)
That's right, but my question every day is... why do they have to pause their careers now in their prime being the best artists on the planet!? with incredible talent! when they deserved to exempt more than those pianists, classical artists and athletes and engineers that the government exempts! they exempt thousands per year and they did not exempt bts who were even ambassadors to the un, white house, expo, etc!! Military service is horrible!! and it's going to ruin them emotionally and physically just like it has done to the Koreans they were. many idols have suffered all kinds of unpleasant things there! it really is to worry!! It is incredible that the government ruins the best thing it has in its country!
FINALLY SOMEONE MADE THIS VIDEO ! KPOP INDUSTRY IS TRYING TO RIDE ON BTS SUCCESS WHETHER ITS IN WEST PROMOTION OR MILITARY EXEMPTION. BTS GREW ORGANICALLY WITH SINCERITY WITH THEIR FANS !
being an army doesn't mean you need to be a kpop fan nor into kpop, so how come armies "ruined kpop"? why are we forced to like other kpop groups and not bts, when we are not even into kpop? that's so dump, they are all excuses
I think comments like these are made over and over again, because of some toxic fans in any fandom that says that their favourite group is the most talented, hardworking, genuine, deserving and best, etc. group to ever exist and that no one will ever come close to that no matter what or deserve what their group deserves. But those kind of people can be found anywhere, not just in the BTS fandom, nor just in Kpop and that's just how it is unfortunately, even if it's very frustrating when those people downplay the achievements and successes of other groups and bash and look down on them or dismiss them as unknown/flops.
I first found BTS at the start of 2020 and immediately fell down the rabbit hole Throughout the rest of 2020, I watched all the korean award shows and learned about the other major groups and thought that maybe I had found my ultimate Boyband Heaven! As someone coming fresh in to kpop, I didn't have any bias about following different groups and was happy to give everyone a try. But as time has gone on, and as I've seen more Comeback Cycles, I've realised that all of it is recycled. It's like cotton candy. Initially visually alluring, sweet for a second and then leaves you with nothing. It was fun for a year when it was all new to me, but now it's just kind of soulless and repetitive. I still have fondness for the personalities/boys in some of the groups, and some people (like Taemin for example) are very special artists, who I hope get more recognition. But my interest in kpop as an industry is pretty much dead. The wave washed over me and has already peaked. BTS's catalogue, and quality is ever evolving, and their lightning-in-a-bottle dynamics are why they are the biggest group in the world. It can't be replicated or compared. I don't blame fellow Armys at all for skipping the candy and just eating the delicious meal, in fact, I'd recommend it.
7:04 I had trouble believing this at first but today my K-pop stan friends who don't liks BTS explicitly told me it's not about the music. It kinda rocked my world since I assumed liking a group meant having a connection to the music 😅
I think it depends on the person though. I mean, I do agree that kpop is probably not popular for the music but for everything else (visuals, choreos, parasocial relationships etc) but there ARE some fans of kpop groups who are there for the music (I'm actually talking about myself lol. I love Dreamcatcher and just for their music so it kinda hurts me when people generalize) This is just not the majority I'd say.
Great video. The analogy to Justin Bieber vs other Canadian artists was spot on. The only thing worth fact checking is that BTS is not the first nor only current K-pop band where the members write, compose and produce their music. It's not the norm (although it should be) but I suspect you'll get a lot of angry stans correcting you. But I agree, BTS stands out because they have creative control and their songs have authenticity. That's how they can perform with such passion and conviction.
I love you! You understands and portrays everything perfectly! Twitter armys were telling the same thing and they were called 'crazy and obsessed' by pur fandom itself. But you portrays the ideologies perfectly and puts them into words! ily. You're THEE army yt channel. Truly the boracity magazine of Armys who spills teas like the weverse!
well said, it's now been 8 years since I've started listening to their music and nothing truly compares. I've been through so many genres of music, in so many completely different languages and from so many different artists but there is something very special about them and I always make my way back. It's truly fascinating how they managed to capture lighting in a bottle and then tame it. So many artists have a good song, a good album, a good era, etc but it's hard to find an artist who's entire discography is practically magic. Prior to finding BTS I rarely ever stuck with one artist or style for more than a couple months, let alone became obsessed enough to look into their activities outside of music and buy merch. If you had told teenage me that I would pay to watch a documentary about an artist on opening day in theaters I would've thought that you're crazy. There music truly speaks to the soul and I just hope that one day I'll get to see them in concert, although that dream seems a bit unreachable now.
Ive been an ARMY for years and only came to know why i dont like kpop in general and just BTS, i used to try and like other groups' songs but just couldnt bring myself to do so but now i get it.
@@Kalakeiko if ur thinking that I'm hating others songs than no that's not it, I just DISLIKE some songs because they're not my taste but there r a lot of of kpop songs of different groups which I like. Also, disliking a song is normal and acceptable as long as it's not HATING the idols or their songs
Thank you for saying this! This reflects what so many people in the fandom feel. Most of us did check out other groups in the kpop industry, thinking that there might be more artists like BTS. The answer is: there really isn't. BTS is very much an anomaly, and they represent real korean musicality. The only reason they keep getting lumped under this 'kpop' label is because they are built like your typical kpop group. Then in the west, they get dismissed as a 'pop boyband one direction 2.0 for teenagers' because they are built like your typical western boyband. There is no winning. Once you stop assuming, and actually explore their music, their messages, their artistic identity... you quickly realise that they are definitely up there with the most inspiring, sincere and legendary musical artists and performers that can resonate across generations and people from all around the world.
@@Rahul-in6brcxs as a army i want to say that ever fandom does have toxic fans but not ever fan is like that same goes to blinks,stays,... and there are also Multi stands who stands more groups
I tried so hard to stan other groups but they just couldnt come even close to the way i love bts. It was exhausting for the other groups but not for bts. I still listen to kpop, enough to even want to go to concerts, but ive accepted i just cant be a stan of another kpop artist.
I consider myself a casual kpop fan, but my love for BTS stretches way beyond what I could feel for any other musical act tbh. Thank you for this well-informed video that highlights how BTS and ARMY have always been shunned from the kpop community, even before debut.
Amazing video, boracity! This is extremely relatable. I found BTS, fell down the rabbit hole, felt comforted/excited/healed/invigorated/touched/attached/protective/etc; then tried other K-Pop groups and was underwhelmed; then ended up liking a handful of Korean (non-K-pop) songs from other artists. Fascinating to hear my own experience is a common one, and why. I felt kind of guilty but not anymore lol
This video is pure true, I occasionally listen to other kpop songs even before I knew BTS but they have magic, I don't even know how to explain it 🤣 their hard work inspired me, they are not pretending, they are who they are and never try to change that, loud, messy, honest and real, luckily their company never try to make them fit in.
I kinda get now why i don’t love a lot of k-pop songs, I’m usually someone who loves to read the lyrics of songs and love when the lyrics has a meaning I can relate to and I found that BTS’s songs has the most relatable messages and that’s why I became Army. Sure I can enjoy songs when they’re catchy and fun but when there’s no meaningful massage behind it it won’t stick for a long time.
I think the most eye-opening part of this video is how bts is the only kpop group where the spotify streams actually match or even surpass the yt views. I have spotify and I listen to a lot of music with it, but I never listened to kpop on it, I only use youtube for that. I always thought it was just me but now that I think about it, listening to a kpop song without the mv feels *wrong* because it's almost like you're missing a part of the experience. When you're a kpop fan, you can't just "listen to their music" you are almost forced to see their videos, their performances, their interviews, etc. Not a fan of bts' music but I can at least appreciate the fact that they're musicians first, idols second.
We have a saying in our society or community at my hometown, that a good music or song will still sound good and fulfilling even without having to watch the video, probably might be the reason why BTS' spotify streams are big. I as well listened to mostly BTS' songs with some j-pop/rock or anime songs including some piano and other classical pieces through spotify a lot , rather than watching the mv in yt. It's waayyy convenient for me atleast, especially while studying.
Thank you for this. Like you mentioned, unlike K-pop stans, ARMYs are music fans first and foremost. That and we treat the music artists that we like as humans worth supporting, and not like products that you can replace once you get bored of it like K-pop stans do. (Though obviously if you try to tell them this they’ll deny like crazy lol) I’ve been an ARMY since October 2017 and honestly it always baffled me how pushy K-pop stans are when it comes to shoving down your throat every group in the industry to you if you mention you like BTS. Anyway, great video, you’re a gem of a channel ! 💜
yep i have had first-hand irl experience of this. had a ex-friend who was a kpop fan and every day she talked about a new group. i seriously couldn't keep up. I was wondering, "how can you truly be fans of all these groups? How can you truly connect with 10+ new people every day and say you are obsessed and that their music is great? How do you have time to really dig into who they are as artists and what their musical journey looks like?" The answer is They dont. They aren't here for the music, for the messages. One because there isn't any real messages, its all just flashy visuals and which one looks the hottest today. I've seen what the 'kpop industry' is, and what 'kpop fans' really love. And I'm not here for it. I prefer music with depth, with a message, that contains pure artistry. and I find that with BTS, not in the kpop industry.
@@jen-wj3bc yeah Sadly ,kpop industry is more about images ,personas and visuals I only stan bts and know their journey from bottom to top And I really respect bts members as artists because the way they convey their emotions, their lyrics, their passion for music shooks me everytime
Kpop Stans bullied and shunned BTS since the beginning. Bullied them harder when they got bigger globally. Now they want to rewrite history and claim BTS’ impact on the industry is due to “kpop” and not BTS. So frustrating
I am a kpop casual listener, and there was a time when I stop listening to that genre because i cant get accustomed with such mix match and high notes which kpop fans take a pride on their vocalist. It was around I Got A Boy was viral. But when it come to Bangtan, I can listen to their discography back to back, no skip, and dying to get the insitrumental version too because holly f it was dynamic, complicated, and an amazing sound humans ever produced. I have a massive love for Bangtan, still listen to kpop, liked some songs but never deeply care about anything else beside Bts.
This was a great video. As a 48 year old American who discovered BTS a year ago, I realize that it really is the music that made me a fan of BTS. The music is intelligent, thoughtful, and varied unlike much of the garbage that passes for music on my local radio. I have tried branching out listening and watching videos of other K-pop groups, but haven't found any other group whose music hits me the same way. I like a handful of songs by a few other K-pop groups or artists so far, but that's it. From your video, I realized that the reason is that K-pop is an industry that is not about the music, but about the visuals. It now makes so much sense. Thank you.
My goodness, you explained this so brilliantly! Before finding BTS, I was mainly a heavy metal fan, but fell in love with BTS because of their music and especially their lyrics. I actually tried really hard to find other K-Pop groups that would capture me like BTS has, but nothing has come even remotely close.
