why most armys don't like kpop [Reaction]  

Army Twitter is seriously the funniest place ever like our memes are the best😂

BTS IS NOW THE ONLY GROUP THAT CHARTED ON THE HOT 100 AS A GROUP AND AS SOLOIST😭💜💜 SO PROUD

Also the whole "armys don't give others a chance", Like we watch the same award shows with other acts performing and if like something I hear I check it out and If I don't then I don't.

Bts has so many diverse solid songs that I can go for a 3hr hike or drive with them handling my audio front to back.

ARMYs do listen on both RU-vid and Spotify but not necessarily to make them equal, that’s just what happens. Like when I’m home I tend to listen to music on RU-vid and if I’m out then it’s Spotify and I guess it evens out. Then, like she said, there are songs that have higher Spotify than RU-vid which is something you don’t typically see with other groups.

😂 The kobe and kwame meme... yeah armys are everywhere lmaoo. Boracity is very shady 😂. Armys are generally like this. We got strong opinions and are very political people. A lot of it comes from bts's music . People like me who werent political before tend to become more politically involved and outspoken after listening to bts. I had a roommate who had social anxiety, who within a year became more confident and sassy after listening to bts. 😂😂😂 Who thought music could have that much influence ehh??? And bts songs are pretty simple to listen to and fun sounding. But after going through the whole discography you will see the whole thing was about bts growing up and that story somehow results in the audience also growing up accidently. That's why armys are so adamant in saying bts aren't anything like kpop. Cus we gained something from it personally and being grouped with an industry that doesn't value growth (rm said this same thing in an interview) is insulting.

The problem with the kpop industry on the whole is that they have made it where the idols are disposable. Their careers are generally short-lived and brand new groups are debuted constantly to replace the groups who go into the military or who are falling out of favor. There is no long-term loyalty to a group. When one disbands, fans just move on to another. Fans see kpop groups as interchangeable. As Boracity pointed out, music isn't that important in that industry. So, when Bang PD put together 7 passionate boys who wanted to be real artists, it changed everything. And you can tell the difference. Everyone who has collaborated with them (including Taeyang of Big Bang who recently featured Jimin in a song) has talked about how passionate they are and how much they put into their performance. This is why BTS has not only survived a decade in the kpop industry, but also thrived and outgrown it. Kpop fans and the media expecting ARMY to do what other kpop fans do and stan other groups just don't understand that BTS is not interchangeable like other groups. I might listen to some other songs from other idols, but I won't put in the effort to support them the way I do with BTS. Our guys are just something on a whole other level.

4:33 - about how the singers hold the mic like rappers, LOL. Remember that BTS started as a hip-hop group, and three of the singers (Jimin, V, JK) are younger than the rappers and look up to them and are their biggest fans. They're so hyped whenever the rappers are practicing their songs, it's so cute. So I think that's part of why the singers copy the rappers in this aspect. J-hope once said that in the early days, the rappers would give a list of hip-hop songs to the singers to listen to.

I use to feel bad that I didn't "stan" any other group. Honestly, I enjoy ALOT of kpop and generally like a lot of other groups, I just do not stan them as I find myself only liking a few songs. I will watch other groups' music videos because they are amazing, but they are not the type of songs I would download or put in a playlist I just cannot get into their music as a whole, no one's discography has come close to BTS, and that is what I am here for, the music.

Boracity learn savagery from Jin, Suga and Namjoon with a sprinkle of sass from Jimin.🙃🤪🤣🤣🤣🤣💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

3:20 "and when did we sign up?", exactly! I explored kpop for a couple of years prior to first listing to BTS, and though I heard some songs I liked I didn't find any artist or group I fell in love with. Much like Western music for the past 20 years, there just wasn't a lot out there I was connecting with. I follow and support BTS for many reasons, and many K-acts don't have what BTS has. It's ridiculous that anybody would think that just because you like BTS you automatically like all K-pop. Not all music is created equally, which region it comes from has no basis on which fans they draw in. Even if you look within the Kpop community there are fans of Boy groups who wouldn't be caught dead supporting a Girl groups and vice versa, but nobody is chewing off their heads for it.

11:30 that 'kpop jurnalist' was trolled and memed sooo hard by ARMY, it was hilarious to watch all the versions of: "don't just support and cheer for your favorite football team! You need to check out all of the other football teams and support them too, don't live in your own bubble of your favorite team without knowing what is out there" So I have been listening to kpop since like a year or two after I got access to internet; so I think from around 2010. But here is the thing: I only put a kpop playlist on and listened to it for like a month, and then I moved to listening rock for a month, pop for a month, ... basically i just cycled genres every month or so when I felt like it. I rarely even bothered to check out the Group name nevermind the song name (this was not only true for kpop but also for other genres haha so i can't really list who i was listening to since i only know the songs not the artists). So I usually listened to kpop for maybe a month or so a year while i was studying or cleaning or something and I remembered that kpop exists. But in 2016 after graduating and having to be an independent adult after the heaven that was high school, ... I was truly struggling. And I got recomended some random funny BTS videos, and then some music video theory videos, and when I went to check out their music I realized: "oh I know all of these songs, I love all of these songs, I had no idea they were all from the same artist". And i checked out their lyrics. The Agust D mixtape had just dropped at that time and wow, that was the first time in my life that the music i heard wasn't just catchy, but it was actually relatable. Their vocal line song from their Wings album called "Lost" perfectly described how i was feeling and gave me hope. Because of BTS I joined a fandom for the first time in my life and it was just so supportive and helpful. In 2017 because of them I met my best friend with who I still talk DAILY. I have always been the worst at talking with people in text form, I just can't do it.. but with her I still text daily. I have made so many friends (in person) because of them. Like I do still listen to kpop (but I do prefer the bands to the groups), but I NEVER (except BTS, TXT and bands) put some groups whole album on my playlist; I usually put like 2 or max 3 songs and even that is pushing it. And when i look back to my playlist of kpop songs from 2022 only 1 song .. yes ONE has lyrics/message that I like; others just sound good

A quick clarification. The numbers of mv views to audio only weren't comparing RU-vid to Spotify. Those numbers are ONLY from You Tube. They are comparing the views from You Tube's mv vid to You Tube's official audio only stream (mainly used on RU-vid music, but can be found on general RU-vid as well).

I found Kpop in 2010, so I listen to a lot of other groups. But BTS is the only group I stan, and Army is the only fandom I belong to. I left other fandoms in 2015/2016 because of the fan wars. I watch MVs because they are amazing, but my playlists of Kpop (excluding BTS) are very short. There are some excellent songs, but they are few and far between.

There are idols with different backgrounds like korean but not born in Korea, japanes, chines, thai etc The girl you asked about is Bahiyyih she is mixed, her mom is korean her dad is german/American I think. Funfact her brother Kai is in TXT a Boygroup also under bighit the same label as bts

As a "vintage" ARMY, I have always, in my long life, only ever actively listened to one or two artists, passionately. Sure, every now and then, I'll hear ONE song I like by someone else. It doesn't mean I'll buy it or actively support it or the artist. It is was it is. Bora on fire today 🔥 🙌 😂😁💜

I've been an ARMY going on 7 years now, and before BTS, I had no idea what K-Pop was. After discovering BTS, I discovered K-Pop, but BTS is the only K-Pop group I stan, the only group who I repetitively spend my money on, vote for, listen to daily, watch their non-music content, etc. Like boracity said in this video, I do listen to a lot of K-Pop or Korean songs, but I don't stan or follow any other groups. I don't otherwise give my time or money to them beyond casual listening the same way I would any western song that I come across and add to my playlist (but I have seen other acts in concert). The only only K-Pop groups whose music I actively like and listen to is TXT (under the same label at BTS and also share producers/songwriters with BTS, so that makes total sense, lmao) and TWICE. NewJeans is brand new but they're musically killing it because their catalogue so far doesn't sound like construction noise (which a lot of K-Pop does, and thus I don't listen to those type of trash K-Pop songs). It's very true that K-Pop fans have this hive mindset where if you like a K-Pop group, you have to like every K-Pop group and support the entire industry. 7 years ago, I thought you had to do that if you liked a K-Pop group, but then I quickly learned that BTS are different to everyone else and go above and beyond "K-Pop."

LOL I actually remember that tassia lady getting DRAGGED by armys for those tweets 😭😂

18:48 nah that‘s not the case. Of course, we as fans will push them on many platforms, but their numbers matches EVERYWHERE. For example on Spotify they have much higher monthly listeners then any other kpop group despite having a not as big playlist reach as many other superstars with similar monthly followers. Same goes to the numbers of likes on every platform (have in mind that you can have just one like per account). Their fandom is estimated to be in the millions. Some sources estimate 60-90 mio fans worldwide (in 2019/2020 so even before Dynamite!) and Army is considered as the most powerful fandom from an artist. BTS were acknowledged by Guiness Worlds Records for the most followed group in 2021. They sell stadiums of 60-100k capacity everywhere in minutes! They broke livestream concert records with people who watched from 191 countries, that means in nearly every country! Have in mind that there is more outside of the West. If you have numbers from all over the world, then it is easier to reach such numbers that BTS has. Based on some statistics you can also find every profession in that fanbase. I think you underestimate Army a little 😉

Oh God....I used to get into arguments with people from other fandoms so many times in the early years. And they always brought up that ARMYs are toxic and closed-minded because we don't listen to other groups. Later they called us mean and toxic because we voted for BTS in award shows and we didn't let other groups win. Because others worked hard aswell, they deserve it too, etc. My opinion didn't change. When their message can move me emotionally just like BTS' message did since their debut, then i will support other groups. In the Kpop ondustry everyone looks good and every act dances. There is nothing special about that, they just do what is basic requirement by the industry. For me, that's not enough. I'm a dancer, i do appriciate a good preformance on stage, and it's still not enough. No wonder the fans who are here for the music first, will prioritize artists over preformers, who most of the time have nothing, or very little to do woth the music they are associated with. And i might be mean and all to see it like this, but i can't feel bad when BTS and ARMY "don't let others win". Because the idols chose this after all. They signed a contract knowing they probably won't write music, but preforme it. If they wanted to write music, there are many labels in SK who are willling to give the artistic freedom. But you probably won't get mainstream automaticly, unlike at the Big3, because they will make a big fuss out of every group they can, even if it's not well deserved. As someone who wants to get into the music industry, you have the choice to sign to whichever label you want to (if you are talented enough of course). This is the first reason. Second of all, kpop fans can't expect me to give sympathy to the industry and the fans who openly looked down upon a group of passionate teenagers, just because they could. And i'm not just talking about the keyboard warriors here. Grown ass people, who somehow took joy from embarrasing and insulting kids. It's pathetic and distgusting in my eyes, and i don't think i will ever forget it. And those who did it? Please reflect on yourself. You won't look more powerful or coller in anyones eyes who have enough emotional intelligence to see how messed up this is. We ARMYs have such a bat realtionship with most of the kpop industry, and have so many bad memories about them, i don't think it can be fixed, honestly.

This video could not be more accurate. So much was covered and explained in detail. It's all a mess with how the press try to pretend like BTS has anyone in 2nd place to them who's actually comparable in scale. The sad part is that most ARMY are beyond excited to explore kpop after discovering BTS. To stumble across such a musical gem, the next logical thought is "Oh this is kpop? I need to find more kpop groups so I can add all of their songs." Except it's just sifting through stuff that you don't care for until you get enough disappointment and come to the realization that BTS isn't an example of how the rest of kpop sounds, they're the outlier that happens to live under the same umbrella. Then once we make our peace with that, we just settle into enjoying BTS without fussing much more about it. We like what we like and we mind our business.

I am of those ARMY who doesn´t like k pop. I have really listened to k pop to know if something appeals to me, but no. I haven´t found anything that makes my taste. I just happen to love BTS music. I really enjoy it so much. Me being a rock lover all my life.

13:46 She is mixed, Korean, German, Polish and British. Her name is Huening Bahiyyih and she has an older brother in the industry as well, Huening Kai. Both are mixed idols.

in this video they show a bit of IU She has a song with Suga and she is one of the most popular Korean singers. I don't follow her but I like a few of her songs and the fact that she writes her own songs makes me admire her a lot.

13:51 that girl is half Korean half german her and her brother are kpop idols her brother is from txt a group under bighit music and hybe the hyunings we call them

I found kpop because of BTS. There are other groups but I can't seem to like them more than BTS, so I stayed as an Army. BTS music is so diverse that you have different genres that you can choose on, so why look for more when the complete package is already in BTS? Apobangpo💜

While on youtube, BTS posts kept bombarding my home page feed last year. I became ARMY from watching their variety show Run BTS and their 'Behind the Scenes' content. Their journey captured me first, then I delved into their music. Their content captured me because it humanised who they were as individuals and as artists. My regret was not knowing them from the beginning. I am an R & B fan, and BTS R&B and Hiphop from their earlier days are my personal favourites. However, their other genres are also great because they have amazing messages and choreography, and catchy songs. Their hardships capture ARMY, because it shows 'real life' moments that we can identify with and empathise with. (Well that's how I feel at least). Their versatility in music opened my eyes to other genres as well. I am an old school gal, listening to Whitney, Luther, George Benson, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, MJ, Prince etc. BTS caught my interest and heart because of their story first, and then their music. They brought out the maternal instinct in me, which I believe all ARMY have a sense of, or need to protect BTS. Through BTS I delved into KDrama and other KPop artists, however, BTS is the only group of artists that I follow on a daily. My playlists are full of their music, but I also enjoy other Korean artists R&B music, which are added to my playlists. THEN reaction videos of BTS grabbed me, mainly because I love to see or hear others viewpoint of the group and solo releases. As shown in this video, I love my specific genre preference across the board. However, I am drawn to BTS because I respect their professionalism, work ethic, personalities, journey, and their artistry. I love their live performances, I adore their variety shows, and I appreciate their music because you can guarantee they have a song that will suit any emotion you're feeling on a daily. I believe Kpop in general is hmmmm visually captivating, however, their music by many groups sound the same, or the artists look the same (styling that is). Nothing truly differentiates them from others. However, there are definitely other groups/members that I listen to, but it's mainly their solo work that I listen to opposed to group music. (Again genre preference) I love how the seven members of BTS have individual 'sound'. Noone sings like Jimin, no one has the soul of V, no one has the range of JK, and Jin has a ballad voice to die for. (actually all four vocalists have crazy vocal range), and other KPOP rappers (to me) do not have the stance like RM, Suga and J Hope. The three just hit different, from lyrics, to collabs, etc and trust me I am not a rap fan, but with them I will listen to because their lyrics are my first go to. I've gone on a bit lol, I won't apologise though, because thanks to BTS; smiles came a little easier, or laughter was injected into my daily life watching them grow. Two elements, that we humans, forget to do sometimes. Lastly, thank you for your honest take on BTS as an artist yourself; more so on the music industry that I have very little knowledge about. I watch you mainly from your professional knowledge and experience feedback. These videos you react to may show a little bias lol, but overall, they are supported by some facts and truth (such as it is). Like you said, we can't rely on one form of information, there is some research required. But jeez, even I am overwhelmed at the work ARMY do. I am merely an ARMY that love BTS and their music. Thanks for your work though. Arohanui from New Zealand.

Well, I had no idea Army had been "expelled" from K-pop 🤣 I started listening to some kpop music years ago because I really like Korean hip-hop, and so I followed groups like 2NE1 and BigBang because they had GDragon and CL in it... But it was always an extension of me liking the hip-hop side of Korean music. I really think K-pop was made to bank on young students' need for escapism (the target ages used to be 8-16 yrs old), so much of it was pretty faces, catchy tunes, and becoming huge celebrities, not really about the music. Music was a medium to get started, but often the "idols" branched out into acting or hosting TV shows after their 3-5 yrs contract, becoming public figures. Things have been changing with the market, of course, but even now BTS is the only group that I can call myself a fan of. I like them as much as Linkin Park, Logic, Eminem, D'esparsray, Bewhy and others that make completely different music. I liked their work before I liked them as people, and I have no doubt that I will keep listening to their music regardless of whether they're active or not, simply because it means something to me, separately from them. You can't really have this kind of result with the way K-pop is built, because K-pop companies usually want many fans, not long term fans.. it can't be compared, and it makes total sense that BTS fans don't vibe with K-pop acts 🤷‍♀️

Hey Jurnalist! When you’re ready to listen to BTS group songs, a really underrated one that I’d really recommend is DIS-EASE. It was produced by J-Hope and it’s very a very funky-hiphop-ey track that I think you’d really enjoy other than their really hiphop songs 😊 the song was released in the BE album which they released during the pandemic hence the title but it is also a play on words of having a hard time which is why the EASE is connected by the prefix DIS 😁 It’s really fun watching it live!

As a music lover I watch other Kpop acts too like IU, TXT, Stray Kids, Black Pink, etc. However, I only watch their MV's one time and never come back. But when it comes to BTS, not only do I watch the MV, but also watch and research the lyrics as well and the explaination videos and then their live performances next. And if there's an interview or they have live stream on how they created the song, I also watch it. It doesn't even matter if it's 2 hours long. Next, if there are new reaction vids about BTS I would also click it without second thought. For me wtching BTS contents doesn't feel like I'm wasting any time at all, however if I watch other groups like Black Pink, it does feel like I'm wasting my time. So by that example, you can clearly tell if you enjoy something or not.

8:43 is New Jeans "Attention."

New Jeans is under HYBE umbrella and I love their 90's sound; they can actually sing and I love their concepts. One of the only girl groups I can STAN

The only simple answer for why army's don't like other songs because we didn't have to.... BTS have every genre for everyone likes...and also they have amazing shows from RUNBTS to IN THE SOOP. And their live performances are epic...why doesn't we need anything...😂 BTS ARE THE WHOLE INDUSTRY for us...we are booked and busy....😌💜

Army twitter memes are thee best

LMFAOOOO the nba tweet became really popular in army twitter 😭😭 cracks me up every time

They have a lot of mixed idols but they also bleach their skin.

I knew his reaction after seeing that dumbass tweet by OKU would just be... "What?... wtf?" and I was not disappointed HAHAHA

8:40 - the song is called Attention, by New Jeans. They debuted back in July 2022 (6 months ago) and are a rookie group under HYBE. I've really been enjoying their discography because their MVs and sound are just refreshing from what the industry is currently offering. And it looks like they are being well recieved in korea too because of that differece/uniqueness. The group is called New Jeans because jeans are considered a timeless piece of clothing that will always being used. The name of the group New Jeans is also a play on 'new genes', thus being a girl group that will bring in new genes and usher a new generation/culture in the idol industry.

The man said “when did WE sign up? “😂😂😂 You Army cuz 😅

I was never very interested in music, I only listened to some jazz or rock songs, but with the pandemic I met BTs and I never imagined before that I would become a fan of a boy group, Kpop in general? I'm not interested and I don't want to listen to another group either. This is how i feel. Sorry for not being a kpop fan or giving others a chance

I wonder who Boracity is as well. There have been gatherings of Academics studying BTS’s rise and I wonder if she is involved in that. People from all over the world. So interesting.

I'm generally aware of other kpop because of the award show crossover but I don't stan other groups. There are some kpop songs I really like but I haven't found other groups to really follow.

THe song that you heard by he girl group, New Jeans, is 'Attention'. I don't listen to much K-Pop but this particular song caught my 'attention'. It's a good vibe.

Suga once said, if you put bias aside, you will find BTS songs pretty good to listen to. So I do the same to try most of the other artists songs. I found earlier days of Black pink songs (before they collab with Selena Gomaz) were quite good. (G)idle is a black horse, Mamamoo also got some good stuffs. PSY's latest album is real good. Legends like Big Bang, Epic High, Jessie, CL (2NE1), SEO Taiji and Boys, Jaurim, Kuckkasten, Park HyoShin, Crush, IU are real good. All these artists create their own songs and doesn't feel like industry made. You might wanna give them a try.

This's exactly how I feel about it, I don't hear kpop not really but BTS is my favourite group of all time😻the way they write, compose & make their own different voice & work from scratch is magical & unique💜💜💜💜 they're definition of original artists 🥺💜

The girl you pointed out is mixed, that might be why you could tell that she wasn't fully Asian. Her and her brother (who is also an idol) are half Hawaiian.

I didn’t have a problem with other kpop groups beforehand. I didn’t vibe with their music but I was able to give groups a chance but now after the way some artist and nearly all of their fandoms are so trashy towards BTS and armys I just don’t bother with any part of them.I listen to BTS and go straight back to my western artist.

On the topic of songs about meaningful themes in Kpop, here's some about political, social and mental health issues: Yoon Mirae (Tasha) - Black Happiness (fighting discrimination & growing up with a intercultural identity in Korea) Miss A - I Don't Need A Man (celebrate the independence of women) Loveholics - Butterfly Jaurim - Deviations F(x) - Red Light (political commentary abiut the poor way the South Korean government responded to the Sewol Ferry tragedy) Sunny Hill - Princess and Prince Charming (song criticises how people get calculative when searching for love) Big Bang - Loser (ugly side of fame & feeling isolated) Twice - Likey (pressures of social media & being perfect) Dreamcatcher - Maison (the effects of climate change) Day6 - Zombie (mental illness & inner darkness) B.A.P - Wake Me Up, Power & Badman (mental health, depression, anxiety, body image) Pentagon - Basquiat Ateez - Guerilla (sociopolitical ideologies of utopia and anarchist revolt against it) Dreamcatcher - Scream, Boca & Odd Eye (the topic of dealing and handling verbal and cyber bullying with Scream being in the perspective of a person being attacked and Boca in the perspective of someone who is protecting a bullied person) H.O.T - I-yah (adult's misstreatment of children) H.O.T - Warrior's Descendant (anti-bullying & the cover of the group Oneus changes the message to how you shouldn't fight violence with violence) Purple Kiss - Bye Bye Bully (song about bullying where the choreo shows the one being bullied becoming the bully and vise versa) (G)-IDLE - Tomboy, Lion & Nxde (touches on shattering the expectations and stereotypes of women's representation in society) NCT U - The 7th Sense (based off a book from 1984 & has double meanings connected to dreams/sleep (nct concept) & breaking out of facism via protest of a new generation (also NCT concept) NCT 127 - Mad City (song written by the members Taeyong & Mark pre-debut about the baseless hatred against them since their debut in 2016 & how they will continue to move forward & make music despite their words & the way they are bashed) AKMU - Hey Kid, Close Your Eyes (about children living in war zones) EXO - MAMA (about focusing too much on technology instead of human relationships) Mamamoo - 4x4ever (about cyber bullying) Sechskie - School Byeolguk (criticism of the educational system) Brown Eyed Girls - Sixth Sense (anti fascism) Girl's Day - Female President (political message about havin a female president) Girls Generation - Into the New World (political protests and demonstrations) Lee Hi - Breathe & Holo (mental health) Kang Daniel - Paranoia (mental health) Sunmi - Borderline & Noir (mental health) 2NE1 - Ugly (mental health & body image) Seventeen - Trauma (mental health, depression) Seventeen - Pop Song Shinee's Kim Jonghyun ft. Taeyeon - Lonely (mental health, depression, loneliness) Kang Seungyoon - Iyah Dynamic Duo ft. EXO's Chen - Nosedive WJSN - Happy Dreamcatcher - Piri (mental health, depression, anxiety) Glam - Infront of the Mirror (body image) Black Swan - Rainbow TXT - Crown (self-identity, pressure of being like everyone else & not fitting in) Hwasa - Maria Blackpink - You Never Know G-Dragon - Obsession (unhealthy obsession) Taeyeon - Fine SanE - Counselor Amber Liu - Borders Stray Kids - Mirror & Insomnia Epik High ft. Sunwoo JungA - In Seoul CIX - Numb Taeyeon - Dear Me Stray Kids Changbin ft. Bangchan - Streetlight Ateez - Mist Monsta X's Kihyun - Youth

Well I love rock music since like more than 25 years ago..... and now I'm an ARMY since 2017 and I pay Spotify and YT membership to stream their music only. Even I went to concerts in my country for groups like Aerosmith, Evanescence and La Ley (chilean group)......I never thought to travel to another country to attend their concerts how I did for BTS on Dec 2021(PTD LA) and went to 2 days in a row, I can't explain in words how that expirience made me feel, I think the only bigger moment in my life was when my daughter born. 😭My dream is to attend another concert after they reunite in 2025 and keep being an ARMY for life.아포방포(ARMY Forever, Bantang Forever)💜

ARMYs run twitter so of course we know everything going on on the bird app sir hehe

A lot of ARMYs do like New Jeans ^^

13:39 That's Huening Bahiyyih. Her mother is Korean and her father is German Brazilian. Her brother is Huening Kai from the kpop group TXT. The group she is in is Kep1er and the song on the screen is "Wa Da Da". It's pretty catchy and I heard it a bunch on tiktok. Also, there's a bunch of kpop stars who aren't ethnically korean. I've seen Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, and etc etc. Recently, I just saw a tiktok of a black girl who is in a kpop group too. I will say that she must have a hard time though. Since historically kpop hasn't been great towards people with darker skin.

14:20 LOL, JK is the king of bucket hats... So much so that recently he forgot one in some official place and some guard tried to auction it online. He got caught and yadda yadda (he said he waited 30 days for the artist to claim it and whatnot, hilarious... *eyeroll*)

I'm a BTS fan but I watch their music videos only once or twice. Mostly I listen on Spotify because my favourite songs are still their B-sides. I've listened to other Idol groups but they're not my taste.

They make some valid points, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more. There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few. In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT. As for groups and idols that write and produce their own music, there's Stray Kids for example who is entirely self produced in terms of music, lyrics and concepts as well as having chosen the members, name and logo with the songs being written by their 3Racha subunit that consists of Bangchan, Changbin and Han. Monsta X has Jooheon, I.M and Hyungwon write lyrics and produce songs and choosing concepts and themes, Soyeon from (G)I-DLE also writes and produces their music and chooses their concepts as well, the same goes for Seventeen where Woozi, S.Coups, Hoshi, Vernon, Mingyu, The8, Seungkwan, Bumzu and several others write and produce their music. Then there's several other Kpop artists that write and produce their own lines and solo music and concepts as well, such as EXO. TXT also has very meaningful lyrics and stories that a lot of people can relate and connect to, including the members and they too write lyrics and verses and are involved in the production. I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.

8:03 😂😂 Army is everywhere and has a great dark humor at least on twitter. I listen to a LOT of music, many genres like hip hop, R‘n‘B, rock, metal, pop. It can also be a jazzy or classic song, disco, funk, soul, whatsoever when it‘s a good song. What really annoys me is how many kpop fans think about kpop and artists in general. When I became Army I was asked several times to listen to this and that kpop group and people got annoyed when I gave some a listen but it wasn’t for me. In no other genre (or industry or whatever you want to call it) I felt so much pressure. Kpop is seen as a group project and many fans seem to love repeating concepts and sounds. I had the feeling that many kpop fans like to switch groups like socks and that it’s all about the asthetics and cuteness but also the competition. For me artistry, personality, lyricism and message weight so much more to stan a group or else I‘m just a casual listener. There are also other great groups. I like for example some songs from Mamamoo (great singers) or Dreamcather (rock-ish but very experimental), but I only follow BTS closely for several reasons. Many kpop fans show the same traits that the kpop industry demonstrates like supporting short timespans of groups, interchangeability of groups/concepts/sounds, no lyrical depth, musical or conceptional repetition, stagnation of pesonal or artistic development or no artistry at all. Many kpop fans listen to a group and then start liking every other group from the same company, because they like the sound and because many groups from the same company have many similarities. But for me the groups consist of people or of artists and not of puppets with no soul who are interchangeable. Of course, not every kpop fan is like this, but it‘s definitely a majority. On top of that, a huge portion of Army is beyond the teenage years and have jobs or family, so there is no time to explore the whole kpop world and stan every group on earth. I’m 33 and have a demanding job in the field risk management and many hobbies. So my time is precious and BTS has everything what I need. There was a poll on twitter how many of Army were kpop fans and 80% said they listen only to BTS (and other music), but not kpop in general (but a portion gave other groups a listen, it just wasn‘t for them as in my case).

I've tried looking into other k-pop groups but apart from a few separate songs I honestly haven't connected with their music. It kind of felt fake, forced or just m eaningless. I think she makes a great point about the nationality. Just because you like one artist from a certain country that doesn't mean that you automatically like every artist from that country. The notion alone is honestly ridiculous. 🤦‍♀️

13:14 that’s bahiyyih shes wasian and brother to kai from txt

You read that journalist very well without even having the specific kpop context yet randoms were defending her viewpoint left and right and saying she had a point

i grow up with kpop since 2009 but i never proclaim myself as a stan until bts in 2017. i feel attached to their music, messages and personality that i couldn't find in any other groups. i took like to many genres and songs even kpop group or soloist or any artists as casual listener. but it just bts that makes me wanna spend my money bcs i love them so much that i want to support them fully.

5:17 this guy is a korean music critic btw

Speaking of hair colors, if you ever react to Boy with Love ft Halsey, there's 8 people with 8 different hair colors. V's hair color is a bright dark blue, if you can see that color in your head! 🤣🤣

I'm loving watching your videos. I do think you kind of missed her point on the videos and audio streams matching up for BTS. It's not that ARMY go to listen on Spotify to "make the views and audio numbers match up" - it's that people love the actual music BTS makes so they listen with or without visuals. I stream BTS music all the time - for the sound. This is not true of most kpop (New Jeans being the exception for me and the only other "kpop group" who has a song or two in my playlists). BTS's music is great to listen to without the visuals as well so they are equally supported on both platforms vs. Kpop which is mostly supported for the visual elements not the auditory.

the "you can just listen to a song and enjoy it" comment is literally a casual listener and i mean like i consider myself a kpop stan too because i like a lot of others groups music (ex. lesserafim ateez newjeans stray kids gidle txt etc etc), i just like and appreciate music and if their music sounds good to my ears im gonna continue to listen but im prolly not gonna know everything about them or consume all of their stuff like i do with bts and in the end i realise that all the kpop groups i listen to, they all in some way produce or/and writes their own stuff and really participates in the process and are saying what they want in their music so i kinda be drawn to their musics (just like it happened with bts)

I don't know if someone said it below but Attention (around 9:00) - the song you said "who is that? that sounded good" - that's New Jeans who you said you liked also. I - as an American "older lady" - have had the same reaction. Absolutely love BTS and am deep into the rabbit hole but have not found a lot of other kpop that I liked at all. Except New Jeans. I have really liked the songs of theirs I have heard.

13:51 she's half Korean, raised in Australia. There are lots of Koreans in Australia, sometimes they marry their kind, sometimes they don't, but many offspring come back to the motherland pursuing careers as idols. That one is Bahiyyih (the other half is Brazilian if I'm not mistaken). From group Kep1er. Out of a TV survival show, some members are Chinese, some Japanese and some Korean there too. Not sure if Thai? Probably. Don't know much about them. Maybe worth noting for some... future endeavors, she's the sister of Hueningkai... or Kai. From TXT, the other only group under Big Hit Music label. And BTS babies (literally, they adore each other too much, or just the right amount of much -- and no, you usually see the opposite from many other groups). PS. There are even more "exotic" ones. A couple black girls around too. Or Brazilian. They come from open castings.

you seem very intelligent, and have experience in the industry so I enjoy listening to what you have to say. thanks!

I know kpop since 2015 year and i dont stan or even casually listen to anyone beside BTS in that industry. Why should i force myself to do it when i can find almost every genre in BTS discography?

I tried other K-pop groups and I may like one or two songs but I couldn’t get into them as a group or solo. However this goes the same for western artists as well. I stopped listening to music in the 90’s because the sound didn’t grab me. Rap became too crude and explicit for me just say to myself “I give up”. Through BTS I enjoy their rap. To me BTS is the total package. That article you mentioned in this video regarding Stans I agree with you that it’s a total bs. Korean media has been so unfair to BTS and they continue to do so, trying to undermine BTS success and talent. Why should armies support other K-pop stand if we don’t like their music! Why should we carry the burden of kpop? Hell no! Most importantly, other than Elvis and Queen, BTS has been the group that invoke so many different emotions, thoughts, insights and pure enjoyment and amazement! I love their personalities!

4:53 I think it was a vlive...but JImin shared about how he had to get his front tooth fixed "again" because he smashed it with the microphone so I've wondered if most of them hold it that way as a guard to protect their teeth.

in army twt we have a lot of black and poc armys and honestly they're the funniest people lmfao, they are the ones that use those memes

I stream BTS music far more than their music videos. They have some great music videos though. Their whole Bangtan Universe storyline has drawn in many people, and most if not all of what goes on in their MVs has a purpose.

they're usually mixed but white passing

8:37 is New Jeans -- the only other kpop group I bought all current music from outside of BTS. They are under the same company as BTS. Some think they are super popular right now because of the company, but in reality it's for the very same reason you said -- they sound GOOD and (to me) are not that super slick, fabricated image that turns me off of so many other acts.

It ain't only about visuals for BTS 🐱

@8:42 whats that? New Jeans(attention). You do know youre taste in music. Period. Theyre also part of HYBE.

I watch YT MVs a few times, come back to old ones every now and then, but I listen to their music every day. 18:41 22:14 After becoming a BTS fan (before I was truly ARMY) I tried to get into other kpop groups, especially BP because there was a link to my country, but I just couldn’t get interested but listening to BTS has opened my eyes up to lots of other (non kpop) artists I would previously never have appreciated or even tried.

3:07 the snort I let out when you said that.😂😂😂

19.20 we do like music as in only music lets take BTS's Run Bts it doesn't have an mv and even the dance choreography came afterwards but everybody liked it

I wouldn't go so far as to say that music writing by idols wasn't a thing in Kpop before BTS. It was uncommon, but it did happen. Amongst the many reasons for why JYJ ended up leaving SM was that they never got to use their own music, and worse, whatever they wrote belonged to SM as per their contract. The two that remained behind were less interested in making their own music (at the time at least). I'd say the difference with BTS is the level of their involvment. That's way higher than anything seen before in Kpop (unless you count Seo Taiji as Kpop lol)

The red guy is The8 from boygroup called Seventeen. They're under Pledis which is under HYBE as well

8:55 its totally okay to make some songs without deep meaning (not all....) just for fun 4th gen bands like txt new jeans le sserafim makes really good fun songs but the thing is sometimes you really want good music quality and lyrics which bts absolutely has and they also have fun and very good music butter ptd and dynamite boy with love you'll find everything in bts

15:30 You obsessed with the hair like I was in the 2000s... FIrst thing I did when I went to Japan was set foot in a hairdresser's, like I needed to.

i’ve listened to kpop songs in 2010’s but i didn’t find myself to stan them not until i came across bts.

I can’t wait to hear your take on Baepsae. BTS has always been their own genre. 😘💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 They have a soul and that shows in their art. I have other songs by other groups that I love but it just doesn’t have the same depth.

Stray kids have some good songs. I love maniac and thunderous

I tried all these popular kpop groups exo , stray kids , black pink , aespa etc I usually just like just the chorus or a catchy part but it's so rare for me to like a whole kpop song and in my playist no kpop song is there just bts and other artists Kpop idols are talented but when it comes to music just few can take my attention in conclusion just bts that I listened to all their albums title tracks or b-sides or solos

I used to listen to primarily musical theatre/broadway, instrumental/classical and top 40 before I got into the BTS rabbit hole 😂 I listen to some other Korean music (Korean vocalists do airy vocals exceptionally well) but ppl I’ve been hardcore fans of, including BTS, it had always been a natural process so I’m not trying to ‘Stan’ anyone else actively, if it’s gonna happen it’s gonna happen. Kinda silly to demand it of other ppl lol

I really never understood why Army keep saying that bts is not kpop when BTS themselves consider themselves kpop, attend kpop shows, collect all the kpop awards etc.

the expulsion story always makes me laugh

The song is New Jeans debut Attention. The girl in the skirt is mixed Korean and White.

Oh I was waiting for this

I also think Boracity had some bad experiences in KPop fandoms in the past. I had such a thing when I found BTS in 2016. It was nasty. They compared BTS from group A to group Z, starting from visual, outfits, dance, vocal stability, etc etc etc. That made me really sick.

I occasionally listen to twice, enhypen, aespa, all these other groups yet I don't stan them. I only stan BTS and I think this video summed it all up as to why. No one is like BTS💜

Let me give both HYBE and Ador their flowers for a second. NewJeans is the only group from Ador, which is technically a new label under HYBE, but all their music labels are independent. Now I don't know what that means in terms of profits and investments, but I know the labels make their own decisions, and HYBE is there for resources. I would assume that HYBE would make sure nothing shady is happening and would support artist creativity and innovation based on their ethics, but I haven't read anything about it. Now what is interesting with the NewJeans company is that the CEO is a woman, which might be a first in kpop? That was the project, create a label fully managed by a woman to have a girl group and see where it goes. As of now, they are BLOWING UP, all of their songs are very catchy and fresh, admittedly simple in terms of lyrics, but with great melodies and harmonies. You can see that the company is letting them write, they aren't overly sexualized in terms of clothes or choreography. Another note about HYBE since I am here. HYBE is a corporation that is at this moment bigger than the big 3 (it could be big 4, but hybe is ahead lol). They lack the connections (and have too much morals) to do a lot in terms of what the big 3 are doing, but they got the cash, and they are expanding - not just in terms of music, but in terms of IT. They are creating social media platforms (such as weverse), making mobile games, cartoons, bought ITHACA holdings (Scooter Braun's management company right) etc. All of it grew or saw success thanks to bts to be honest, and the risk still is that if bts just disappears, they would arguably immediately fall off and be below the big three. Maybe. They diversified, so not sure, but bts is bread and butter. (And BTS opens doors, I mean, the president's entourage said that mentioning bts got them an event at the MOMA they could not negotiate. They get everything, Disney allows copyright, UN allows a performance at their headquarters, Korea allows national monuments to be used for videos.) Back to my point, HYBE is actually aiming higher, it wants to compete with the IT giants in Korea, who are HEAVILY invested in Korean entertainment overall. You see, Google and other international giants do not have access to Korea due to protectionist laws, so a big old oligarchy took place instead, and that's a mess that would take longer to explore. But it explains to some degree your usual confusion on why the big 3 have a sway on the media, monopolies everywhere, man... Please benefit from all of this knowledge I gathered when I intended to invest into HYBE as it went public LOL✋(That is not to say that Korean entertainment is heavily censored, because the stuff coming out can be very critical of the government and capitalism. But there is a lot to explore in terms of who owns what, just like when you explained to us how the US radio works.)

There are many talented kpop artist, I am Army and biased but I also love music and will not make it seem that BTS are the only talented artist. There are a lot of trash songs but there is a wide range of talented artists and amazing music outside of BTS.

💜liked the video

I feel the NBA WNBA argument you pointed out is different from Kpop articles and listening to other Kpop groups. Because NBA and WNBA are the same sport. The only difference is genders. But Kpop is an industry. The "players" don't even play the same game. It's like asking fans of basketball to support figure skating. Because they are both sports. There may be an overlap in audience, but the majority don't care for the other.

new jeans is under the same corporation as bts so theyre under similar company philosophies :D

8:42 my sistas New Jeans