According to this logic, jedi are actually more effective in large groups, as having other jedi around strengthens the ambient force energy in the area. That being said, the jedi would've been much better off had they deployed themselves as elite squadrons instead of generals during the clone wars.
There are two reasons that didn't happen. One, the Republic lacked much in terms of experienced combat personnel in general, leading them to pulling in the Jedi into such roles. Two, the CIS had few who could match Jedi, thus reducing the need for the Jedi to gang up.
If order 66 was activated after the first battle of Geonosis, it wouldn’t have been successful as the Jedi had not yet fully trusted the clones and would have been ready to eliminate the clones if need be. The reason why order 66 worked was because by the time the order was issued, the Jedi had come to fully trust the clones with their lives, so when the men they trusted with their lives all of a sudden started shooting at them, they were caught off guard and didn’t have enough time to process what was going on. Also there was the fact that the Jedi were weakened by warfare and spread thin across the galaxy during the final hours of the Clone Wars and the fact that The clones received the order all at once and in only a few short minutes, 99% of the Jedi Order was dead.
It also didn’t help that the Jedi were hemorrhaging members as Jedi were dying on the battlefield left and right, and as the war dragged on, they gradually lost the ability to replace the fallen. To the point that children were being thrown into combat.
Well it was also a Surprise Attack, which was THE BEST way to murder Jedi. It was near instant, and frequently the Jedi were ALREADY distracted by the enemy in front of them. Few Jedi would be in a position to BOTH See/Sense the attack Coming, AND have the time to react. Even if the Jedi weren't distracted by Combat, they could have had their Lightsaber too far away. Like Shower/Bath, Sleeping, etc. An of course the Jedi would have had a bunch of PTSD and weary of combat. Weary of being on the Front Lines. Morale was getting lower all the time. With a War that had ZERO end in sight, thanks to The Emperor controlling BOTH sides. An with their enemy being Droids, it wasn't like losing their best members was that harmful. Doubly so when at least 1 Droid could escape or transmit Data for Future Upgrades. Meanwhile when you lost a Jedi you could not quickly or easily replace one of that level of Skill, like you could a Droid. After all, it's not like every Padawan could replace a Jedi Knight or Master of the same power so quickly. You could only progress Jedi Learners & Padawans so fast, as a problem of Organics.
@@Deathmare235 There was only a small fraction of the Jedi there. Height of their power. Weren't even seriously trusted. etc. It would have been FAR too Early Game to do something like that. Meanwhile Order 66 targets ALMOST Every Single Jedi in the GALAXY!
Jedi Order: we serve the Republic but we won’t fight their wars for them Also Jedi Order: Count Dooku’s a Sith now? Well snap, that’s all you had to say! *Ignites lightsabers*
This makes Anakin's case more tragic cause his love for Padme made him stand out from all the other Jedi because whenever something terrible happens, he looks to her for comfort.
Well, Anakin also a) had a way stronger connection to the force than all the others (so even as a pure lightsider he wouldn't have easily been deafened!), not to mention that b) he did use the darkside rather frequently (the others might not have seen it, but frankly: Anakin enjoyed fighting and taking risks etc.) so that also strengthened his connection, so Anakin was able to perform up to standard despite being in the thick of it...hell, most Jedi who survived until order 66 were the stronger and more well trained and skilled! Most pure diplomats had died by that point (hell, on Geonosis the strike team led by Windu also lost all of its weaker members, those who more or less only carried a lightsaber as a badge of membership of the jedi order! The one proficient in its use survived Geonosis! Hell, that Jango Fett could simply gun down a jedi shows that some of them aren't cut out to be fighters at all!)
@@dreamingflurry2729 Anakin didn't use the Dark Side much....but he WAS borderline a lot. He was powerful, but had many tedencies that would make it easy for him to Fall, given the right Motivation/Circumstance. But he was NEVER a Dark Jedi before Ep 3. The ironic part is that Padme had the power to stop Anakin's Transformation and save her Future Self. "Oh yeah I commited Genocide against the Sand People, because they murdered my Mom! So I klilled the Men, Women, AND CHILDREN!" "Oh God Anakain that's fucked up. Oh well, you're rather hot and I like you, so I'll quickly forgive you and NEVER speak of this Atrocity to Obi-Wan - the ONLY Jedi I can trust who knows our Secret!" Like what kind of person hears someone MURDER a large group of children and go "You know what? This is NOT something i should report or talk to ANYONE about EVER!"
@@TheAyanamiRei well, they did kill and rape his mom, and murdered a large portion of the rescue team that went to help her, so to put it lightly… tuskens are savages plain and simple.
"What happened to all the jedi?" Palpatine: "I killed them... every single one of them... not just the men, but the women, and the children too... theyre like animals! And I slaughtered them like animals! I HATE THEM!"
There was a thing I saw where a couple of Clone Troopers had interferences with The Emperor's Signal Command for Order 66, and they thought it was Order 69. P hilarious.
Realistically given that the Galactic Republic had a population in the quadrillions if not quintillions the Jedi order should've numbered in the millions.
It might've if they were still using the old temples and enclaves, like the one on Dantooine from KOTOR, during the clone wars. The one temple can only hold so many Jedi
Make it better there were so few...the galaxy was massive and tens of thousands of systems and planets abound. Jedi Knights were known but rarely seen before the clone wars. They were Religious warrior monks that harnessed incredible powers. Most civilians never had seen a Jedi before, some hadn't even heard of em.
We know in the distant past, at least, that the Jedi used to be far more numerous, because even putting aside implict details from the New Sith Wars and such, there is explict mention in the TPM novelization of 'billions' of Jedi Knight journals being archived. Considering how long the Jedi and Republic have been around for, and depending on just how many billions that is, well...
@@Mister_Matt No, the battle of Geonosis, the clone wars, and even adding Dooku and Grievous themselves, could not have killed that many jedis. More realistically, before Geonosis, the Jedis were already in the tens of thousands order of magnitude, though more than 10 000. 20 000? 40 000? Hard to tell. But certainly not hundreds of thousands and even less millions.
This is why I love Luke’s new Jedi order in legends they didn’t do what the old Jedi order failed to do not allow emotion and have more restrictions unlike Luke’s which was balanced
I'd defiantly watch a longer video on the Sith Grand Plan. One from the time of Bane would be terrific, but just going from Plaugus and Sidius finalizing things would be good too.
I would like a single video about how the surviving jedi felt and reacted to order 66 (if it has not already been done) and video explain the full sith grand plan would be awesome.
Second! :) - Hell, that the survivors were going silently into the night is something that infuriates me, especially Yoda and Obi-Fail (yes: I dislike the character, because he wasn't man enough to end Anakin!) foisting off the job of taking care of Vader and the Emperor on Luke! Damned, Luke was an innocent, that he was force sensitive and being the son of Anakin Skywalker didn't in any way, shape or form make that his responsibility! That was the Jedi's fuckup and their responsibility to clean up! In fact they should have done everything in their power to end the Emperor (even crashing a Star Destroyer into his palace etc. - Everything goes in this case, except not taking responsibility!)
One point of disagreement at around 3:30 when you mentioned that the Jedi had been preparing to fight the Sith the way they had in antiquity. They weren't preparing at all and were fully convinced the Sith were extinct and final victory had been achieved. That's what created so much tension between Dooku and Yoda because Dooku did want to be prepared, leading to his leaving the order and eventual fall. And I may be mistaken but I think that same determination to stick their heads in the sand was why Sifo Dyas hid some of his visions from Yoda and was so easy to convince to help secretly create the clones for the GAR.
Thank you for this one. It's cleared up something about the storyline that's bothered me for a long time. WHY did Palpatine construct such a Rube Goldbergian plan? Why not something much more straight forward - using the droid army to assault the Jedi directly. It's hard to decide which part of Palpy's plan was more important - destruction of the Jedi or absolute power. Probably destruction of the Jedi. That seems to have been his emotional core. Start the Clone Wars, push the Jedi forward as generals - a role which they never wanted and for which they were manifestly unsuited - as Qui-Jon Jinn said. And, of course he was correct. The Jedi were not soldiers. That's a central truth that the Jedi clearly understood but they seem to have surrendered to fate. As if they couldn't escape their own destruction so, Zen-like, they simply submitted to it. Perhaps Yoda felt this was the Will of the Force? Perhaps. It might explain his own peculiar passivity. It makes the byzantine plot more coherent.
It was BOTH. The War was just the best way to kill the Jedi since he could do it the best. The only way to get Ultimate Political Power is through War as we saw. But ONLY The Jedi were strong enough to REMOVE him from Power. Doubly so after he showed he was NOT a benevolent dictator, but an evil one.
Wouldn't it have been easier for Palpatine to just keep the clone wars going, until most of the Jedi were already dead. Jedi loses were greater then Jedi recruitment so it would just be a matter of time. Perhaps arrange a few accidents for more troublesome Jedi like Joda and Windu (good luck protecting yourself with the force when a hacked droid botches a hyperspace jump into a star or blows the reactor of your vessel).
The problem was that the Separatists had lost their two main front-lime leaders. Losing the Count and the General removed a huge driving force that the Separatists could rally behind, especially as many of their decorated leaders were dead. Without a replacement leader, the Separatists were doomed to petty infighting and incompetent leaders. More importantly, Palpatine had lost nearly all of his Jedi Killers at that point. While a few more might have died in the fighting, the war was as good as over at that point. The war might have been able to stretch for another year or two with sheer combat strength, but the Separatist Council and the true leaders knew there was no winning. Palpatine knew this all too well.
@@shade8816 In my scenario there would never be a Battle of Coruscant so Dooku would survive. Grievous was more expendable, they could always remake Maul or some fallen jedi into the next figure of terror. Slowly corrupt more jedi like Pong Krell, maybe even get a few of those on the council. Drag it on for a decade or 2.
Order 66 sums up what happens when arrogance overpowers rationality. You trust something so much and feel as if nothing can go wrong. The very people, system and life even that you live is so seemingly direct and straightforward that truth itself now eludes you. Simply being told you're fighting for "good" is enough to reassure you of your actions. A truly horrific tale of the dangers of complacency.
The Jedi Order was doomed because of their own arrogance. And ultimately, Anakin did bring balance to the Force. Just not in the way the Jedi wanted it to be.
The Jedi essentially misinterpreted the prophecy which I believe was given by the old je'dai the actual meaning would have been to destroy both the jedi and sith to bring balance to the force even the sith had their version.
Short answer: Maybe. Long answer: No. The Jedi, when order 66 was enacted had no army to back them up. Planets with droids present were enemies. Planets with clones present were enemies. Even planets with relatively neutral powers like planets controlled by the Hutts were enemies. Armies, sympathetic to the Jedi such as the Wookies and the Naboo Defense Force were localized and better suited to planetary defense/policing said worlds. And in older lore, Kashyyyk and Naboo very quickly came under Imperial clone assault to destroy some remnant Jedi. The reason for the short answer being maybe is because theoretically, the Jedi could retreat from galactic affairs, as they tried to during the Mandalorian wars, if they were co-ordinated as this scenario suggests. But ultimately, given the long answer is no and the reasons detailed above, the Jedi would eventually be overwhelmed and massacred by a nearly endless imperial military if any attempt to brazenly resist the rise of the Empire was attempted. The war was lost, the moment the Jedi decided to use the clone army. If they didn't accept the clone army, then the nearly endless droid armies would overrun the Republic and the Jedi would be wiped out either way. It was a no-win scenario. The only chance they had to avert the demise of the Jedi in my view was for Dooku to realize his stupidity and reveal that Palpatine was a Sith Lord before he, himself was used to commission the clone army. Dooku held Palpatine's plan together after the unintentional 'loss' of Maul jeopardized it. Although, what Palpatine's plan was, if Maul wasn't defeated on Naboo is not clear because Maul didn't have Dooku's charisma.
@@Dalek7823 This....basically neigh-on perfectly summarizes the situation of the Clone Wars for the Jedi. They were in, to burrow a term from another franchise, a Kobayashi Maru. There was no winning, just different degrees of defeat. I would actually go even further and say the Jedi virtually lost the moment Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor. Everything after that was just finalizing the details. The only real contention I have is that Maul almost certainly was intended to fulfill Dooku's role. He doesn't display overly much personality at all, nevermind charisma, in TPM, and still doesn't show much of the latter during most of the material set before the Clone Wars, but TCW has shown quite convincingly that he can be charismatic and cunning when he needs to. Desoure popular belief for many, many years, Maul wasn't just a blind brutish assassin, meant to be fired like a missile and forgotten just as fast.
@@papapalps2415 You're right, Maul did have charisma but I don't think it was the type of charisma needed to hold a vast number of star systems together. Dooku was a respected speaker. The type you'd invite to speak at dinner parties. Maul didn't really possess that quality, he could certainly be charming though as evidenced during TCW, yes. So thinking on it further, I'd suggest that Palpatine's plan if Maul wasn't defeated on Naboo would be to assassinate the council members one by one using Maul to destabilize the Jedi. Sending Maul to Tatooine then Naboo was Palpatine beta testing this plan and if Maul was able to defeat Qui-gon, one of the strongest swordsmen of the order then he could potentially take down a good number of the order's Jedi council 1 by 1.
The novelization of revenge of the sith is so much better than the movie was capable of being. I loved the narration of the battle between anakin and dooku. Being inside dookus mind completely changes that fight. It's incredible
In the end though things did turn out better. Sure the Jedi got blasted down and killed off, but balance was brought to the force with Anakin fulfilling his destiny as the chosen one and Luke rebuilding the Jedi order, becoming its new Grandmaster, and giving it a much needed improvement over the old one. Think of it as like a Phoenix dying and coming back from the ashes😎👍
The Republic, too, and it's not the first time for either. Every time either is struck down, it turns out to be better that way in the long run. Wonder if that means anything...
@@robertcremin3291 Not at first, but it was on the way down pre-Empire and on the way up post-Empire. More or less. I think. And the Yuuzhan Vong might have stopped that, so it may not have really mattered.
(On Courascant during the Battle of Umbara, right after Hardcases death) (Anakin has a sad and confused look) Palpatine: Anakin, what is wrong? Anakin: I don't know, Chancellor. I feel like something bad just happened and it hurts. Palpatine: I'm sorry to hear that. I wish I could help in some way. (Inner Thoughts) Sounds like Krell killed one of the Clones he was close to. Excellent. His power in the Light is weakening and becoming corrupt. Wait I'm sensing something else. (Back on Umbara, after Waxxer's death) Cody: Are you alright, General? Obi-Wan: I sense something terrible has happened and it hurts. Boil: I might not be a Jedi, but I too feel like something awful has just happened. Cody: That can't be good. (Back with Palpatine) Palpatine: Ha. Everything is going according to the Grand Plan.
One part was missed out, I think: the general populace and their trust in the Jedi. During the war, there was massive anti-Jedi propaganda, mainly from CIS but also (subtly) from the Republic, and most notably no pro-Jedi counter-propaganda. This led to the populace actually believing the claims that Jedi were traitors, cutting them of from any possible help, except from very "Alliance to Restore the Republic" -minded individuals...
Good point. And the Clone Wars mean the average galactic citizen welcomes the Empire as it promises to deliver peace and order. Yes there will be protests (Tarkin doctrine) so Palpatine plans to use terror to crush descent, but he needs a period of grace to build his ultimate weapon.
The force is both dark and light, hence the balance of the force. So, Jedi could not loose their connection to the force rather the light side of the force was supressed. I think this is what you really mean when talking about jedi loosing their connection to the force. Looking at the definition and explanation of the force. Other than that i like to listen to your take and explanations on star wars universe.
I would most definitely love to see more like this one. Never had a such big “smack in the face, damn this make hella sense” in my life before this video. Like damn, so couldn’t you say that Jedi would never be able to actually win a war, even if they win the war? Still though, like damn….I really loved this video, really brings out the true sense of the clone wars, making it feel like an actual event that happened in our own world. Love it 😍
A 3 year, galaxy spanning, campaign of orchestrated slaughter; surrounded by death, the Jedi have bonded over these long years with the clones they’ve served with. Their connection to the force strengthened by living beings, against the waves of battle droids and killed clones the Jedi strengthen their connection with the clones who’ve survive over and over. 3 years of bloodshed with experienced Jedi generals relying on seasoned clones who’ve managed to stay by their side all this time to maintain their connection to force bonds them with their clones on an existential level. Palpatine BASICALLY forced the Jedi to harness the force through their future executioners instead of the force itself
Sidious was playing a long and calculated game of chess putting Jedi in bad position to make no good moves as sidious was preparing a checkmate with order 66
9:47: Oh yes. Not connected to this video, but can you also explore the life Cindel Towani, the orphaned blonde girl who became friend to the Ewoks and eventually New Republic journalist?
Ok, so, here's something that everyone over looks. Happens every time we talk about the great Jedi slaughter, the statement. "There's nothing they could have done." Actually that's flat assed wrong. Technically speaking, those Orders included an Order where the Chancellor was a traitor and needed to be deposed. It was literally a game of who used the orders first. The Jedi, specifically Mace Windu, could have and should have called that specific order out. They chose not to, because they thought they could handle it as they always did. They were fools.
Another problem are rouge Jedi or those who are brought up outside of the Jedi and neither the sith where individuals become mad with power or personal gain
I would make 250 clone of myself and have them fight with the clone besides them. Then pull out the survey clone and have them train the new clone and rise a army
I think in reality in real life, war strengthens the bonds between men, veterans especially the ones that saw heavy combat made bonds between each other stronger then any other bonds. And if Star Wars was closer to reality order 66 would have sparked the greatest incidents of mutiny in recorded history. As a example of this bond one only look at the incidence of soldiers jumping onto grenades to save their squad members with out a second thought soldiers have and still do take the full blast of a grenade and this most selfless of actions still happen an will continue because for all the waste and death an destruction that happens in war , it still forges the strongest bonds in human history. That is why I think the order 66 plot line if enacted in any military group in real life would cause unmitigated mutiny and revolt and most definitely a coup that would lead to assignation and execution of any leaders giving the order. The only comparable bond to that created between men at war would have to be that between a loving mother and child.
If the light side is so connected to life wouldn't forming connections strengthen the light side? This would really go against the jedi orders practice of not forming connections... I guess that is why when Luke reformed the order, he got rid of that rule.
Interesting video, but I think it’s very important to note that most real wars are not just the destruction of life, more often than not they’re fought by people who are trying to protect what they love. WWII is the clearest example of this, the aggressors are trying to conquer and get revenge(generally), while the other is trying to protect itself(generally). Though the clone wars are unique in so far the two major armies, that are focused on, aren’t normal people fighting their own side
The jedi could have succeeded buy not getting involved in the war. They where peace keepers not generals. And with proper military commanders controlling clones, they would have done better
And before the Clone Wars there was propaganda. The Sith carefully lured the Jedi into conflict which made them look more and more like troublemakers for the average people of the galaxy. Palpatine cranked that up even higher just before the war and during it. By the time Order 66 was executed, the people of the galaxy were ready to believe that they were traitors. The galaxy quite literally darkened over the Jedi as the war progressed.
its kind of the ultimate victory, to defeat the jedi, they ripped them away from everything that made them who they were, the sith ensured that the jedi would fail to uphold their own ideals, by the time they were executed, they were no longer jedi, just nominal lightsiders using the name.
I think even if Palpatine had fallen to Windu before the issuing of Order 66, it still would have been a Jedi loss, because when the inevitable replacement of certain senators would have turned half the galaxy against the order and there would be no respite against all who would try and take any Jedi down.
The Jedi during the battle of Genosis are no where near as powerful as the Jedi of the old republic. Can tell that they were more of a police force then a military.
Wars can have hidden reasons. Like the battle of britain. The germans werent attacking the UK with planes to attack for no reason. They had to get rid of the british planes so they could get rid of the British SHIPS after they had control of the skies. Their real target was the British navy. Its that they needed to get rid of so they could cross troops unhindered, in the same way the clone wars happened to get rid of the jedi. Objectives can sometimes be hard to read. Great vid. Cheers.
Literally every Jedi that died to droids is a worthy tradeoff to the bad guys, even if one thousand droids died to make that happen. Remember, there are only 10 thousand jedis, but the droids number in the billions. This is like when Werhaboos boasted about how one Tiger tank can kill four Sherman tanks when Shermans outnumber Tigers 30 to 1.
The odds were even worse than that for the Tigers once mechanical breakdowns from over complicated engineering and lack of spare parts were taken into account.
I'm sure the mado wars were worse for force sensing. I mean during tht war, life died on BOTH sides. In the clone wars ab half the deaths were battle droids. So they dont count right?lol
The sith has long mentained that the jedi comiteed a sith genocide that will be repayed one day. Maybe thats why the jedi feared the sith so much. And eventually a jedi holocaust occurred
