Why Netflix’s 'Persuasion' didn’t work in contrast to other Austen Adaptations 

Annes curtain bangs/side bangs also gave me way too much 2010's vibes tbh

I think a fourth wall breaking could've fitted this film too but as you said in 2007's persuasion they ment something and it added moments we wouldn't have had otherwise. 2022's Persuasion wasted the potential of the 4th wall breaking. I agree with you a 100%

You pretty much brought it to the point

Anne is thoughtful, elegant, well educated, and have excellent manners and a sense of propriety. People pleaser usually are more shallow and good example from Austen is a character of Lucy Steele from “Sense and Sensibility” she is a people pleaser 100%

@@svetlana8184 why do you call people pleasers “shallow”? I believe they are empathetic, are considerate, and value relationships. I do not call that shallow. People pleasers can be elegant or not, but they are well liked. People pleasers can be well-educated or not, but they have high Emotional Quotient. There are “manners” dictated in a book on which fork to use and then there are well-mannered people who know how to diffuse a tense situation and how to put people at ease in an uncomfortable situation and how to make people feel welcome. I do not call that shallow.

@@marylut6077 fair enough. I just have a bad associate with a phrase people pleaser. That’s it. It sounds for me as you need to please someone to feel happy not because you genuine feel something for other person or in case of Anne genuinely wants to help others because she has a caring nature. It is just my interpretation. If you say of her being a caring person I would agree more. But everyone has a right for their opinions.

@@svetlana8184 You think a people pleaser does it to make themselves feel happy, but they do it to make the other person feel happy. Anne of the book doesn’t want to visit Mary at her country house but does it to make Mary happy -Anne certainly isn’t happy about going. Anne of the book doesn’t want to go on the walk with Henrietta, Louisa, Mary, Charles, and Wentworth because Wentworth is going, but she does it to make the other women happy - Anne certainly isn’t happy especially watching Henrietta and Wentworth flirting. Anne of the book doesn’t want to go to the social events in Bath, but she goes to make her father happy - she would have preferred to stay home. Anne turns down Wentworth’s first marriage proposal to make her mother’s friend happy - and Anne is miserable for 8 years. Anne doesn’t tell her father she keeps visiting her poor school friend because she knows it would displease him. Anne spends the entire book pleasing other people when she would rather do something else. She is a people pleaser. I get that you think pleasing other people makes a person shallow, if you define shallow as a person without much depth of feeling or character. I get that you think Anne is shallow. I believe she is self-sacrificing and loaded with internal feelings and depth of character. I believe her sisters Elizabeth and Mary and her father are the shallow 1 dimensional characters.

@@marylut6077 I think you misread Svetlana's comment - she said very clearly she does NOT think Anne is shallow. She just has a different reading of the phrase "people pleaser", so when you used it for Anne, she thought YOU were suggesting that Anne was shallow :-) I got a sense from this thread that you both have the same view of Anne, you just disagree about semantics 🙂 In any case, even if Anne was a snarky wit like she's presented in this adaptation (which she's not!), I don't think she'd be poking fun at Wentworth like that. I can't imagine pining for someone for years, knowing that they were your chance for happiness and that perhaps they hate you now for breaking their heart - and being able to joke about them in this way.

I certainly agree. Especially the ending let me down and it seemed almost like they forgot the very romantic ending Jane Austen wrote in the book. Instead they made it halfhearted.

That sounds really fun and I have never heard of 'North&South'. I will definitely check it out.

Agree. Beautiful story. Although in the BBC series, they didn't quite capture the rural poverty that drove everyone to jobs in the towns.

@@le13579 happy to find another familiar with North & South! Margaret takes food baskets to her father’s parishioners to hint at rural poverty. I believe it is only hinted at because at this point in her story arc Margaret has lived in fashionable part of London and the bucolic countryside and she has not yet developed a realistic view of the South - why do you think rural poverty is glossed over? I believe the miniseries emphasizes urban poverty to help us understand why Margaret is appalled and why so many Englishmen were appalled - with manufacturing/Industrial Revolution and I believe Margaret’s character represents this societal attitude. Do you see it that way? I believe Margaret has gained a more realistic view of the South when she advises Nicholas not to move South because agricultural labor is backbreaking, even though the BBC viewers never see any field laborers. I believe Margaret - just like in Jane Austin’s stories - is wrestling with the social dilemma of new wealth without peerage titles or landownership, until she accepts that manufacturers are “Gentlemen” social status

I totally agree. They really messed up her character.

tbf I would also say Enola Holmes is an adaptation of Sherlock Holmes. Adaptation is about inspiration and changing mediums or genre, not about accuracy. A lot of things can change and still be an adaptation

I agree. Adaptations most definitely aren't about accuracy and I don't mind that. That makes them more fun most of the times

They should have at least kept Anne likeable.

In Bridgerton Season 2 the two main leads had such good chemistry and that made it so enjoyable in my opinion. If Mr. Wentworth and Anne would have had any chemistry like Kate and Anthony had it would've made many things better.

Actually that sounds quite intriguing. Will definitely give it a watch.

It's definitely on my watchlist

I have to say that Lizzy was indeed very different in the 2005 adaptation than in the book and the adaptation is definitely far from being perfect. I think I just have a very nostalgic attachment to it and that for sure influences my opinion about the film. But I would say that 2022's Persuasion was way worse but I do understand your opinion tho and I can see your point that Mr. Dacry looked like he is going to burst into tears😂

I agree that the 2005 version was far from perfect as a book adaptation, but it was very good on its own merits and the characters were consistent within the film (getting used to the frumpy hairstyles etc. took some time though haha) - unlike in the Netflix Persuasion! I also loved the beautiful shots and music - visually it's stunning and the soundtrack is one of my favourites ever. And I loved that version of Mr Collins - it's very different from the usual representation (he seems more socially anxious than pompous) but it worked so well and came out hilarious. Also Rosamund Pike's Jane was perfect in this version - she captured Jane's sweetness without coming across as too prim and naive. All in all, I love it as a movie, I just don't treat it as a perfect P&P adaptation (which we already have from 1995, so all good). Someone once said that this movie is like "what if P&P was written by one of the Bronte sisters" and I think it's a pretty good summary haha!

I didn't know that😂that makes so much sense tho

@@introvertlia693 it really explains so much.

I think Hollywood in general has a problem with turning softer and calmer characters into extroverted and spunky ones when they adapt beloved stories and characters.

I remember being annoyed with the Frances O'Connor version of Mansfield Park, because they basically made her into Jane Austen herself (my bigger peeve was the part about slavery - yes, it did exist and it's important to talk about it, but including it in this way fundamentally changed the characters of Fanny's uncle and Tom Bertram and therefore affected the overall feel) - BUT. Despite these changes they still stayed somewhat true to Fanny's story as such and the movie was tonally consistent within itself. Yes, Fanny was interested in literature and had more hidden spunk, but she was still the poor cousin raised among much wealthier and more confident children, so she was kind of quiet and withdrawing among other people (with the exception of Edmund) - so the story and her behaviour throughout it still made sense. Whereas this Persuasion is just all over the place, because this version of Anne wouldn't have made the choices required by the plot - she would not have rejected Wentworth in the first place.

RIGHT like the yearning and the hand flex scene. I think about 'the hand flex'-scene at least once a month

Netflix's Persuasion seems to disappoint every Jane Austen adaptation fan and kinda reuniting everyone wether they disagree on other adaptations or not😂

I do really appreciate your criticism and I will try to speak more clearer in my next video.

I really forgot about that, sorry

Jane Austen also wrote unfinished earlier Lady Susan, filmed as Love and Friendship..Her mostly humorous teenage writings.are reprinted as Juvenilia, which are not yet filmed. filmef

I actually don't know any german, austrian or swiss "equivalent" of Jane Austen.

The female German-speaking writers of this period are all but forgotten or barley read anymore (at least for/by the general public). This is probably due to the emphasis on the Weimaran Classic and early Romanticism, where Goethe, Schiller, Lessing, and Büchner etc. overshadow everything (and they wrote mostly plays or poetry). The great hour of the German-language novel in regard to recognition and long-term impact came considerably later. But still, there is nobody really comparable to Austen, the Brontë Sisters or even Virgina Woolf

I also just see her as Jyn Erso😂

I do really like that theory😂

As I said I think it's great if you did enjoy this movie

I tend to speak a bit too hectic in my mother language too. I should be more concious about that. I am still in high school so I am still learning but sometimes I just make a grammar mistake and that is normal since I don't speak it in my day-to-day life. I am sure that I will get better over time.

@@introvertlia693 good luck :)

@@introvertlia693 You're English is excellent, and not difficult to follow at all. You hardly have an accent. And what's wrong with that anyway?

Thank you so much for your very kind words. I really appreciate them!

@@introvertlia693 For me your accent and narration was very easy to follow, so don't worry. I got the impression that maybe you still don't feel completely comfortable speaking to the public this way, but if you're still in high school it's very understandable and I'm sure your confidence will grow, it's just a matter of time (I'm also not a native English speaker and my English in high school was surely waaaay behind yours). You're doing great!