It makes sense what they did. It's stated magic has grown weaker and weaker over time. The wall wouldn't be as strong as it once was, hence the white walkers being able to cross it now as well
@@gurun8071 That doesn’t have anything to do with the disconnect between the books and the show. The White Walkers didn’t just _cross_ the wall it was knocked down by Viserion. It also doesn’t explain why they introduced the horn of winter in the show but then didn’t reference it again.
@@gurun8071 _…none of what you said changes my statement_ It most certainly does. _It makes sense what they did._ I specifically point out why their production choices and story elements are nonsensical.
@@TheNpcNoob Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Bran destroy the protection of the wall when he crossed after having been touched by the night king? I may totally be off but I remember reading that once.
@@mattmarzulajust because it’s not pleasing to you, doesn’t mean others aren’t allowed to enjoy it. Now, honestly I haven’t seen/read it all but Ive heard enough to formulate a decent idea of what it’s about. That being said, it was pretty decent from what I’ve seen. Good adult humor and deep topics were breached on the show. Next time you want to put someone down for what they enjoy, I hope you remember that it’s not hurting you to leave them be or to see them enjoying said thing. Have a nice day.
Honestly, I like the idea that the dragon CAN go across but chooses not to It's like an understanding between forces of nature to respect each other lest the consequences be dire (ironic considering the dire wolf)
Alright what is everything always have to be all magical and complex to explain something he's like are you crazy you wench it's freezing over there why would you want to go over there I'm staying my ass here😂😂
So Dumb and Dumber fucked that up too. It’s like if Peter Jackson decided that Aragorn should kill Frodo and take the One Ring for himself. That would have been cool right?
Jackson and co-writers did drastically change a lot of the characters. They also did change the ending so Frodo pushes Gollum off in a struggle instead of Gollum's selfish glee being the destruction of the Ring.
Accurate observation. I would add that JRRM has yet to get the magic right. So much is left unexplained. The symbols, the children, Hodor, the three eyed raven, the interplay of the religions. And others just random unfinished stories.
@@miguelservetus9534 probably cause of his inability to tap into the mind of people that believe in those things. Religious people in the books are either nutjobs using it for power, or people who don't believe and see it as nothing but a means to an end. It's not just his fault, many modern works that play on ancient or historic themes struggle with the religion aspect because the creators are so irreligious (and sometimes anti-religious) that they are unable to understand, and therefore create, simple religious characters.
My people they are telling you everything but you are still blind,if you look at the world where do you find the North its Antarctica,were do all the tribal people live its in Africa were do the dead come from its from Antarctica,people who have never died in millions of years,Where is Asgard/Agartha in Antarctica,Where is Gods Crystal city its in Antarctica/Agartha,,Where did the dragons rule its in the England(South),,North pole is south pole and south pole is North pole,Germans went to Antarctica because they learned that Asgard/Agartha is in Antarctica and they are coming for the Reptilions(what was Hitler's Wolfenstein,,and the significance of the Promised King is Wolf Odin /Osiris Dragon Enki just as Ghengis Khan said we descendent from the wolf Tengri..and by the way there is a difference between Reptilions and Dragons,Reptilions are fallen angels lesser biengs were as Dragons are of the true God and what will Yeshua do when he comes back he will resurrect or repture,he will wake up the dead,,what does the white walkers do they wake up the dead..the evil leaders want you to fight against Yeshua. black Adam/Dune Mahdi is about Yehusha Osiris Enki who is to come kill all the evil rulers of this world..John snow is Yeshua Yehusha and what old name did he have Agon the Conqourer/Kang the Conqourer/he is coming back and he will use the Dothraki/Muslims and also his people which house did not want to support that cost it was the lion who came from the Reptilions ,but the Queens brother significance is Russia and he will support John Snow...Russians fights against lesser Reptilions today.i swear I have never seen people who where actually so much asleep(dead white walkers)they know nothing but will defend evil biengs,The white walkers are actually the good guys they will band together with Jon snow but there will be another group that will come and it's the Enlil Yahweh Satan who wants to enslave the world again,Thanos/Darksied/Kang the Conqourer/is Yeshua Allah is actually Yeshua , And for dune movie what colour is the opposite of white
@@miguelservetus9534 Believe me it's my pleasure,start watching movies in what they mean,All this movies are the same its just the same storie over and over start from the matrix superman/black Adam let me ask you this who do you think rules this world if you get this right??
He's never gonna finish those books man. I'll be appalled if Winds of Winter ever comes out, let alone the last one. And honestly, I can't really blame him. Bro doesn't have that much time left and doesn't want to waste it writing a book day in day out. He's enjoying all the money he made and I'm happy for him
I think we can consider the TV series to be its own entity after about season 4 or 5, using the books only as "inspiration". And that's being generous.
My people they are telling you everything but you are still blind,if you look at the world where do you find the North its Antarctica,were do all the tribal people live its in Africa were do the dead come from its from Antarctica,people who have never died in millions of years,Where is Asgard/Agartha in Antarctica,Where is Gods Crystal city its in Antarctica/Agartha,,Where did the dragons rule its in the England(South),,North pole is south pole and south pole is North pole,Germans went to Antarctica because they learned that Asgard/Agartha is in Antarctica and they are coming for the Reptilions(what was Hitler's Wolfenstein,,and the significance of the Promised King is Wolf Odin /Osiris Dragon Enki just as Ghengis Khan said we descendent from the wolf Tengri..and by the way there is a difference between Reptilions and Dragons,Reptilions are fallen angels lesser biengs were as Dragons are of the true God and what will Yeshua do when he comes back he will resurrect or repture,he will wake up the dead,,what does the white walkers do they wake up the dead..the evil leaders want you to fight against Yeshua. black Adam/Dune Mahdi is about Yehusha Osiris Enki who is to come kill all the evil rulers of this world..John snow is Yeshua Yehusha and what old name did he have Agon the Conqourer/Kang the Conqourer/he is coming back and he will use the Dothraki/Muslims and also his people which house did not want to support that cost it was the lion who came from the Reptilions ,but the Queens brother significance is Russia and he will support John Snow...Russians fights against lesser Reptilions today.i swear I have never seen people who where actually so much asleep(dead white walkers)they know nothing but will defend evil biengs,The white walkers are actually the good guys they will band together with Jon snow but there will be another group that will come and it's the Enlil Yahweh Satan who wants to enslave the world again,Thanos/Darksied/Kang the Conqourer/is Yeshua Allah is actually Yeshua , And for dune movie what colour is the opposite of white
@@RESAHUTEHUT-SOKHOI73.holy mother of Christ … I truly have never seen someone go so completely off the rails into such a full blown schizo rant… I’m honestly just sorta stunned that you made all that up somehow. Can I ask where the hell you’re getting all that from? How does kang the conqueror have anything to do with game of thrones? Why are you even talking about Antarctica? There is no Antarctica, or even a place based off Antarctica, in game of thrones at all. Would love to hear where you got all that from
GOT reminds me of that drawing of a horse. The head part is drawn aesthetically and till the artist reaches its tail it looks like a drawing from a Kindergarten kid. Showing horse with stick legs. 😂
At this point it would be completely okay with them picking up from season 6 getting a completely new cast and finishing the last 4 seasons of Game of Thrones properly
Ruining the end of the show may be the single greatest example of sabotage ever captured on camera. True justice would be neither of those clowns ever having control of a project ever again.
@@Deverik1981 it didn’t. He is just afraid he doesn’t know how to conclude all his side stories. Books will always be more detailed. Anyway, you like the show? Good for you sir!
Sounds as if The Wall was The End, and he writer was A Dragon. (P.S. I never watched the program, nor read the books - yet drawing that assumption feels poetic)
The GOT TV 📺 series got A LOT of things Wrong - Dani & her 🐉 Dragons would have NEVER been able to cross the Wall 🧱, they got this Wrong BIG TIME on the show, but it was obvious HBO wanted to wrap up the GOT show any way it could. That's why it ended so so Badly👎
I thought Euron was attacking the islands known as The Shields and the Arbor to threaten Highgarden. That’s why Marjorie gets angry at Cersei for refusing to send men to help the Tyrells. Euron hasn’t attacked Oldtown at least from what I remember. Technically Euron is attacking the Reach and Oldtown is apart of the Reach but that specific location hasn’t been raided by Euron.
@s.w.d4010 If you read some of the sample chapters from the winds of winter, Euron is currently sailing towards Oldtown, planning to make a giant blood sacrifice.
I assumed that was because corpse-Viseryon brought down the wall with whatever magic the blue fire was, which sort of broke the spells weaved into the foundation. But the spells were in the foundation, which wasn't destroyed entirely so idk. The whole last two seasons were f*cking awful. Somehow Daenerys flew from Dragonstone, almost as far south as you can go in Westeros, to north of the wall while Jon Snow and friends just what...stood on a sheet of ice, surrounded by the dead? Logic went out the door after season 5.
I doubt it’s likely, but, I’d love to see that the horns were switched - that the one that was found in the north was dragon binder and the one Euron has is the horn of winter. After all, you’d probably like to keep the wall destroyer away from the white walkers, and the dragon binder far away from any dragons. Euron will blow the horn, thinking it will bind a dragon, only for seemingly nothing to happen - and far away the wall comes tumbling down causing utter chaos for the Night’s Watch.
Ooooh, that is a good idea. A horn that removes magical enchantments. If it truly is of Valyrian descent then it will require a blood sacrifice. If it is from the North, and the Valyrians stole it, then who knows how it would work.
@@lewismoreton4856 It may be possible that it's ancient magic of Westeros. Meaning its magic is as old as the children of the forest and giants or something. Makes you actually wonder why they even made the horn in the first place?
@@KyuuDesperation Perhaps the horn was made by the First Men as a weapon against the Children. Meaning it would've always been within human hands. And during Old Valyrias expansion, given that they'd built an empire from magic, a weapon that could break it would certainly be a threat worth stealing
Of course, if this were true, then who possesses the real horn? Is it with the Greyjoys on their way to take Daenerys' dragons? Is it with Sam in Oldtown (who's just blown it and who knows what chaos that will unleash in the city)? Or is it buried somewhere else, under the crypts of Winterfell?
If you've ever seen a map of the world it shows that leaving dragon stone, she would have flew around the wall up the coast. Also Dany flying north is just show canon for now.
I think the real reason the dragons were able to cross over the other side of the wall had something to do with the last Children of the forest being killed because of that without them being alive the magic that they used cannot continue without either one of them still living what do you all think🤔❓️
I think it's more about the ideal kind of spells that they use on both the wall and the white walkers symbolizing the different variants of the limitations of the magic that they use walnuts powerful that lasts for a long time and the other that's limited to the spellcasters lifespan
I think it was supposed to be Bran that removed the protective magic. He got marked by the Others and once that happened he removed the magical protection (seemingly the same) of the children that protected the 3 eyed raven cave got removed. Once Bran crossed the wall with his brand the magic protection was removed. When ever he mentioned going back to Winterfel after the cave got taken I kept yelling he's gonna remove the protection if he actually makes it. Technically the show never says this directly but it just seems logical to me.
@@SANDILETHEONKOSI-xr2lx The transformation of a man into the Night King seems to be a self sustained piece of magic. The wall however seems to run off of a power source (ie. Magic). With the death of the last of the children, that could cut the walls power. Also there are the heart trees. Those were said to be gods once! What if they were anchor points for the barrier and were passively powering the wall? The Andels were cutting them down during the war against the children. The severing of the Neck was a result if I remember correctly? What if the night king destroyed all of the heart trees north of the wall. Just food for thought 🤷🏼♀️
The empire dragons most likely were told by the older dragons that they've often met that there is a 1 shot magic caster over the wall that can kill them. Denerys dragons had no older dragons that they could get the knowledge from.
There's this formidable wall that this evil being can never cross. Let's cross it and make sure nobody can cross it. Okay, we crossed it and got stuck here among zombies. Now let's wait for our queen to come here with a dragon whom the evil being can kill, raise from the dead and destroy the wall.
Dany flew from Dragonstone (almost as far south as you can go in westeros) to north of the wall all while Jon Snow and friends stood on a sheet of ice surrounded by animated corpses. The "lets capture a wight" plot didn't make any sense on its own, but that season and episode in particular was just.... apparently dragons can bend space and time as well? *eyeroll*
Yeah and truth all they needed to do was allow wildlings to come south so that the walkers couldn't get anymore whites. The wall prevented to walkers from crossing so whateves.
All the movies is based off the bible even in real life nobody wants to cross the wall I don't know if God blocked off the other gaints from killing us it can be anything for the reason of the ice wall it's not there for nothing god never just make things for nothing
From what I've heard of Euron in the books, he seems like the kind of guy who would destroy the wall for shits and giggles. The "well I've got a dragon now so peace out" and just flies off to let everyone else deal with it.
@@maxniemand975 The temperature should be sustainably cold. No climate zone on our planet is suitable for that, and there is no indication that the North in the book is particularly cold or stable. Even in the worst winter on our planets, temperature is enough to melt ice under bright sunlight. Especially the old, dusty, and light-absorbing ice. it's not possible that the wall would stand, unless there are different laws of physics in that world.
On my rewatch I got to a part where they talk about this and the dragon never crossing it. I wondered “so how did Daenerys do it?” Then remembered the show writers don’t gaf 😂
I like the idea that it's fear and not the magical bindings that keeps the dragons from going north. Silverwing was a huge dragon- not so large as Balerion was, but by the time the Dance of Dragons comes around, I'm fairly certain she is considered to be the second largest dragon after Vhagar (with Vermithor rounding out 3rd place). Balerion himself flew straight into the bowels of Old Valyria, a place where nothing else dares to venture. His young rider contracted a terrible illness, and he came back with huge gashes in his side signifying that something huge had attacked him. If Balerion flew fearlessly to Valyria and fought whatever could reasonably wound him as the largest dragon in the world, then what does that say about the white walkers to have dragons fearing them? I adore what that does for the reputation of the walkers. I can only hope that the books come out and truly capture that terror in the north. Honestly, I can only hope that the books come out at all...
Idk, I like what your saying but I feel like that would be a little unfair to Old Valyria. Old Valyria would kill anything that entered long term and chewed up spit out anyone that try to explore it short term. An army of around 10,000 to 20,000 (idk the exact number) men marched into it and vanished. It's written to be an unaccessible place of unbeatable terror. For the north to be that dangerous and still have the characters win would drastically lower the danger level of Old Valyria and undermine its aura of indestructible horror.
@@narsilreforged That's fair. I hadn't thought about that. Although, maybe they could make some parallels that would keep old Valyria terrifying but also lend credit to the north. Maybe the Doom is something along the lines of the Long Night, and what remains of Valyria is what happens when you lose. It would lend credit to how terrifying the north is, while also showing the full, very real consequences of what happens to a region when you lose against such a terrible force, and by still keeping Valyria as the "this is the worst that can happen" symbol of fear. Beating the forces beyond the wall is what would keep Westeros from becoming uninhabitable and dangerous like Old Valyria, and then it'd also be historically relevant, since among other things that caused the doom, a civil war and general division between the ruling families and them all killing each other was what brought it down, which is also happening in Westeros with the war of the five kings and everything that happens after. Stay divided and end up like the old dragonlords or unite and forge a different path that would save Westeros from that fate, at the cost of perhaps something else (because I think an entirely happy ending wouldn't suit the books).
My people they are telling you everything but you are still blind,if you look at the world where do you find the North its Antarctica,were do all the tribal people live its in Africa were do the dead come from its from Antarctica,people who have never died in millions of years,Where is Asgard/Agartha in Antarctica,Where is Gods Crystal city its in Antarctica/Agartha,,Where did the dragons rule its in the England(South),,North pole is south pole and south pole is North pole,Germans went to Antarctica because they learned that Asgard/Agartha is in Antarctica and they are coming for the Reptilions(what was Hitler's Wolfenstein,,and the significance of the Promised King is Wolf Odin /Osiris Dragon Enki just as Ghengis Khan said we descendent from the wolf Tengri..and by the way there is a difference between Reptilions and Dragons,Reptilions are fallen angels lesser biengs were as Dragons are of the true God and what will Yeshua do when he comes back he will resurrect or repture,he will wake up the dead,,what does the white walkers do they wake up the dead..the evil leaders want you to fight against Yeshua. black Adam/Dune Mahdi is about Yehusha Osiris Allah Enki who is to come kill all the evil rulers of this world..John snow is Yeshua Yehusha and what old name did he have Agon the Conqourer/Kang the Conqourer/he is coming back and he will use the Dothraki/Muslims and also his people which house did not want to support that cost it was the lion who came from the Reptilions ,but the Queens brother significance is Russia and he will support John Snow...Russians fights against lesser Reptilions today.i swear I have never seen people who where actually so much asleep(dead white walkers)they know nothing but will defend evil biengs.
Man, how depressing is this... The wall didn’t matter at all, the Night king was a speed bump, the dragons barely made a difference to the ending (Daenerys could have just set the Dothraki on King’s Landing and had exactly the same results), John’s parentage was a footnote... There was just an avalanche of complete loser non-endings to an incredible setup.
It has nothing to do with the horn the secret of the effortless crossing of dany’s dragons and night king one is that the magic in the wall was disabled due to a reason which is -(if u remenber in season 1 : lady stark said there must always be a stark in winterfell) winterfell is ( judging from it name ) means where the long night as ended and it was also built by bran the builder so the magic in the wall is working in condition of having a stark in winterfell and when there weren’t it was easily disabled
When Daneris took her dragons over the wall in the TV show the Children Of The Forest were dead from protecting the old 3 Eyed Raven and Bran, so maybe that has something to do with it…or the fact the screen writers wrote those episodes to fit the ending as the books weren’t finished in time to keep consistent with the books
Someone told me that a dragon larger than balerion called “The Cannibal” lives in the north but we may never see it in a live action adaptation. That makes me sad
They should've waited for all the books to be finished before adapting to screen. Thinking they were capable of extending the story beyond the books was extreme hubris.
The writers of show GOT completely butchered the ending of show. The had Danny’s dragon cross the ice wall because they didn’t care about staying loyal to source material
@@Zaythan808Because they didn't have source material to draw from in the later seasons of GoT. And nobody bothered to do the reading of any of the other various texts from the universe which would have given them plenty of context clues for things they couldn't write in. Although it pisses me off because they wrote Cold Hands in, as Benjen Stark even though its not stated outright in the books, to explain that nothing magic can pass the wall - then abandoned the plot point all together.
GoT had such AMAZING workers! If only D&D didn't fuck up the story!!! 😤😤😤 I wish they would have passed it off to someone else or something. They really did the fans a HUGE disservice by rushing it like they did. Although it was beautiful and the work everyone put in was amazing...it's just the subpar writing. 😭😭😭😭
