Why no one plays TIKI-TAKA now? 

True. And rising popularity of Pressing Forward; direct counter for Tiki taka tactics

But also and mostly because, it was *never* a thing. It never meant anything. The first time people used the term "tiki taka", it was negatively, and it only existed in the Spanish language. People then saw Guardiola took over Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Busquets & co, possibly THE best team of all time, they noticed how flawlessly then connected to each other, and decided *that* was the tactic. But the "philosophy" was always Juego de Posicion, something largely driven by Pep and inspired by Cruyff, but not at all by Cruyff alone. Pep's assistant at City and former manager as a player Juanma Lillo also influenced him a lot. As did Bielsa, under whom Pep never played. People at first thought "tiki taka" meant passing the ball around, they put no actual thought into it. Then as the best possible players got old or retired, the same people that used to call "tiki taka" boring for being "just passing" started missing it, because later players didn't play tiki taka as prettily. Until people decided tiki taka was dead altogether. It's a case of casual fans with very little tactical understanding going by vibes and forming cheap narratives.

Not true, Tiki taka is an euphemism, as long as you play possesion football, move the ball fast, can play from the back flawlessly, press high, attack spaces all the time and defend with the ball to tire the rival. The best example of "Tiki Taka" and possesion football in the last years was that game of Manchester City vs Bayern in CL 2022-23, where City beat 3-1 Bayern, both teams shared the same principles but one dominated the idea better. Another is the 4-0 from City to Madrid

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Like Sergio Busquets 😢

THANK YOU! They think the idea of total football started and ended with Guardiola. It shows many people don’t even understand it

@@spanishguy818 people highlight the quick short 1-2 passes that unlocked defences during Prime Barca eras as tiki taka. As much as Pep is to be credited for those tactics, those passes are more attributed to the players rather than the coach. If you replace Iniesta and Xavi, the game might have been different. Just look at how De Bruyne plays under Pep. Why bother doing multiple short passes to open space when one pinpoint cross field through ball could do the same thing? Even Kimmich in Bayern under Guardiola played different compared to the previous players mentioned.

And suck at it. As seen in Euro 2024.

Possession based football and tiki taka is completely different. It's not tiki taka if you just pass among yourselves in your own half. It has evolved into boring because there's not a lot of quality players like Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas, etc who can pass among themselves and take the ball into the opponent's goal.

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No tiki taka died while still messi xavi iniesta was in the game, watch how bayern humiliate barcelona

@@1345jimyeah I agree. Tiki taka died in 2013. We saw how Barcelona and Spain couldn’t win anymore using tiki taka. Even some other team coaches back then said that tiki taka ain’t working because we coaches now we have learn how to stop it.

But tiki taka style of playing is so stylish. I enjoy watching the game when players use the style

Tiki taka died cuz teams learnt how to defend it Not cuz of the "imposters" You're blaming...

Today football is about defending. It is boring. Look at France with all their might. England.

So basically be a Klopp Team, Bayern or a good Bielsa team...

That makes sense

​@@SodaSeeznYes, the perfect model is Mourinho's madrid. Be a counter-attack machine.

And it often leads to pathetic boring matches ..tikki taka also became a victim of its success ..ppl forget how the barca implemented tiki taka with speed ..once players started getting older..retiring..barca started taking the tactic for granted ..it was easy for opposite teams to stop them ..bring me prime 2010 xavi..inesta ..busquets ..messi teams will still get humiliated

​@@jasonkidd5489 Mourinho's madrid only won 2 of their 11 games vs Pep's Barca.

Because his players can't do it. Man city vs prime barca come on

His core principles haven't change. "Tiki taka" never really existed, it was just Pep's positional play principles applied to a world class core of players: greatest ever player in Messi, 3 top 10 of all time midfielders in Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta, possibly the best RB of all time in Alves, and then some other fantastic players like Pique, Villa etc. that were excellent on the ball. Pep only "evolved" from it, in that his style looks different now, because as good as KDB, Rodri and Bernardo are, they're not Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta. Walker's no Alves. Haaland isn't a skillful player. But also, teams defend better now. There's less room for aesthetics.

@@vespasiancloscan7077 Pep litterally said that he hates the term "Tiki Taka". It's mindless passing, and i agree. Those players he had was just the perfect players to have a dominant possession football

You can’t have athletes you have to have very high iq players to even understand what to do and make it work. Not to mention perfect technique passing dribbling n speed to get the fluidity + automated positions. Not every team even has the players to attempt it without looking crazy

@@Tigerheiress yes and no, it all depends on how you explain it and especially what. For example, many people don't know that the opponent determines where the space is, or that you have to bind someone to create space; if they can't be bound, you go into the gaps etc etc. Tiki Taka is the easiest way to play football, you just need to know how to explain it as mentioned.

@@Tigerheiress make what work, exactly? Peak Barcelona beautiful football like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc. played? You obviously need world class players. But a functional positional play system? Is every player at City a genius? Definitely not; we've seen how bad Foden looked under Southgate after having been the EPL player of the season at City. De Zerbi managed to coach great football with similar principles using mediocre players such as an old Welbeck.

@@derDeppend of the day you need players with IQ otherwise it doesn’t work, i mean barca literally had arguably the guy with the most IQ for football, messi, then they had arguably second place, xavi and then iniesta, busquets, and even dani alves who was very good at it too, truth is you just simply ain’t getting a team like that again, only way is if it’s gonna be another generational team like barca was

Actually they still do only in brief intervals and then transition quickly into a move intiated by a pass. Tiki taka still happens, just not the passing to death variety.

Ok. its in Argentina. And? jus cus your country plays it doesnt mean its rlly popular anymore

Great idea.

Best thing that ever happened to football.

@@bushmastersavimbi3379 I agree lol but literally there is a video on RU-vid called “How Bayern destroyed Tiki Taka” lol 😂

I think Bayern used Klopp's Gegen press tactics after Dortmund won the league 2 years in a row with a much cheaper squad

Just after Heynckes showed them how to obliterate it they then employed Pep after his sabbatical and gave the impetus back to Spain who won the next 5 champions leagues between 2014 to 18.

Agree bayern 2013 destruction of barca had a demoralizing effect. And a year later dutch 5-1 win over spain too

Ugly ass football 😂

Nah lol

Man I've never understood how you give a player credit for a system he played under , that's like us 20 years from now saying how Xavi invented and innovated tiki taka

If we're being technical about it, it was a Romanian coach who came up with the concept initially. But Michels and Cruijff on the pitch implemented it at the highest levels which made it prominent on a macro scale.

​@@user-bc2in7oe3lPossession football isn't tiki taka. Possession football has a longer history and variations. Tiki taka is merely a technique employed in possession football and is a later development.

@@vs6300 "tiki taka" is a term used by uninformed people to vaguely describe the football Barcelona and Spain played between 2008 and 2012 (it wasn't even all the same football). It's not a technique, not a tactical concept, it's just an umbrella term with no proper meaning.

@@vespasiancloscan7077 It most definitely qualifies to be called a technique from this definition:- a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure. But you are right that it isn't a tactic but rather can be used to augment a tactic

Ur not tho

He inverted himself 😂

The team that has the ball the longest wins the game the majority of the time! This is false as hell & not the case anymore

While you're right, having the ball gives you an advantage at the highest levels where everyone can use it properly. Look at Man City treble or Spain last Euro. Tiki taka is far from dead.

We heard you already. It’s shit thank god it’s gone.

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

@@uhm175 they did many years ago yes before people figured out how to counter it and make it less effective

City, PSG, and Arsenal don't play Tiki Taka at all. You don't know football, and clearly don't watch the video.

Not all possession based tactics are tiki taka. Tiki taka is possession game at its extreme.

Non of them play tiki taka football, let’s not mix up controlling possession as tiki taka.

@@CaraVerde You don't know football either if you take the term "tiki taka" seriously. And the video's a load of crap pieced together by a clueless dude who doesn't even understand what he's reading.

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

And that's called evolving. Pep made the changes it required to last longer and he has master it now with the basic of it - possession.

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

Most of what you have said can be said of possession football. And possession football isn't tiki taka. Tiki taka is the rapid short passing sequences that can be applied to possession football, but a possession football plan doesn't necessarily have to have tiki taka. Also people's sense of position hasn't changed, in fact it has become better. What has happened is that faster transitions with mids dribbling and making line breaking passes to inverted wingers who cut in and pass to more traditional strikers instead of false 9's.

@@vs6300 possesion football when done with quicker passes is what results in tiki taka. Tiki taka needs positional overloads. Meaning there's less space between ur teammates and there's more space between ur opponents which u exploit. It's about how they used to beat pressure and break lines of defense through quick short passes. Today the same thing is done via a long pass. Often these long passes over the defense lines result into a 50-50 result of being picked up by ur teammate. However quick and short accurate passes have a higher chance of reaching ur teammate (behind the lines) than long balls. The concept of tiki taka exists even now amongst non possesion based teams like real Madrid for example. There are many instances when madrid break lines with quick passes than long balls. The concept of dribbling to beat players is not at all different in possesion based football or tiki taka based football. Especially considering the fact that tiki taka based systems actually had some of the best dribblers in football history. Quick 1-2s are the best example of the existence of tiki taka even today. It's just that we don't see it so often anymore whereas Barca used to do it for the whole 90 mins back then.

@@abhijithkrishnag8842 Almost correct except for quick one twos which is an old old technique that predate tiki taka. Tiki taka needs at least 5 subsequent passes to qualify as tiki taka. And one more correction, the long passes are usually dead on accurate plus lead directly to dangerous situations that goals can be scored from. Such passes are allocated to players with great vision to recepients who equally know how to drop their markers and move into space incognito. Players like KDB regularly do such passes with an amazing accuracy of 85%.

@@vs6300 well 5 subsequent passes as a count is never really defined as a minimum requirement for tiki taka. Tiki taka as a whole basically means quick and short passes. The 1-2s are kind of a very popul predecessor of tiki taka which still gets employed today. The tiki was just a development to the classical 1-2s where more players are involved. Nevertheless, its still useful. U don't see more players today specifically because they lack the chemistry that Peps Barca specifically had. And yea, long passes are well and good when executed by specificalists like kdb or Kroos. For an avg player, it's always a 50-50 chance. Similarly for the recieving end too. U need to have a player that can fend off their marker like haaland or Lewandowski or someone who's able to outpace their markers like vini or mbappe to reach the long ball. Its down to specific physical requirements amongst players to get them done effectively. While this direct form or attacking requires more physical players, tiki taka required more technical players like xavi, Iniesta, messi, busquets, etc. None of these guys were physical monsters. Neither did they have 99 pace. It's just the different strategies managers use depending on the availability of profiles. And as a trend, it's somehow as though most players today are more physical and less technical. That's why even though they're able to achieve the results, the beauty of the game has diminished.

@@abhijithkrishnag8842 I beg to disagree. Xavi at Barcelona prior to Pep's appointment and tiki taka was sending passes not necessarily long but medium distances from the centre of the pitch diagonally to wingers or forward to strikers.

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?

Spain won Euro with tiki taka wdyem?