@@JohnLee-db9zt apparently you have failed to hear about NGAD 6th Gen USA jet which has already been in and had successful test flights which means it's not very far from being complete, and then China gonna try everything under the sun to get those schematics which they probably already do 😂😂
@@mateuszpitala9458 It's not inconsistent with what I said. China is a developing country and is certainly not as developed as the West in general. Don’t just mention Japan and South Korea. Poland, Romania, and the Czech Republic are also developed countries in the West. Go to these countries at the same time, then go to China, and then compare the modernization
@@huas5350 I can distinguish a developed country from a developing one very well, don't forget that China is still a developing country and the USA is a developed country and it is also worth noting that China stole Western technologies
@@phamkhoa0105it is. It took China 5 years to make machinery to produce balls of pens precise and fast. This was famous news. Our tech is very sophisticated. Other countries spend decades developing technology. The reason why it took China such a few years is cuz they stole it. Everyone knows it and has proved it. If you wanna see how developing modern weapons for a new country looks like, read about India's developments. Slowly developing each technology and removing foreign parts one by one. Unlike China who just unveiled a new jet like a gift.
Waiting for the day a J-20 gets the Foxbat history, mimicking a MiG-25 Foxbat pilot defected from the USSR, wherein US found out that the fighter they were afraid of actually turned out to be bollocks and the jet they've built against it was overpowered in every single way.
Yeah but they marketed it to the rest of the world as a fighter rather than an interceptor, which is why it scared the U.S so bad because it could “supposedly” do all these super advanced maneuvers and was incredibly fast. In response the U.S developed the most dominant combat fighter known to man, the 104-0 F-15
My concern as a buyer would not necessarily be the quality - not everything the Chinese make is dubious quality and made from chinesium - but what little tricks might be hidden in the electronics to spy on the user or maybe even sabotage military activity.
I've worked in China setting up a production line for a joint venture, consistency is the greatest problem in Chinese production. Truthful documentation of processes is impossible due to culture, you'll have days of inferior production quality without noticing, it's a quality control nightmare.
@@marcusott2973 Hong Kong used to be great fun (before we gave it back). Visit a product supplier and inspect the goods: no problem; ask to see the factory, and suddenly their command of English (previously excellent) fails completely, and they cannot understand what you are asking.
Generally speaking if it requires strict tolerances in machining. China is behind a lot of countries in that. They are trying to modernize and upgrade but this lack of machining to a strict tolerance in mass means they cut corners when trying to produce large numbers. They also lack ingenuity and instead go for intellectual property theft or licensing friendly countries stuff to make their own.
I’ve never even had good luck with Chinese screwdrivers. If I was in the market for a fighter jet, a Made in China one wouldn’t even cross my mind. Forget it.
Sweden makes excellent jets, often ahead of their time, and countries aren't lining up to buy them. There are a lot of political factors in aircraft purchases. For example, America has several very large scale aircraft manufacturers. If a foreign made aircraft won competition and was selected by the U.S. military, severe public criticism would occur. That situation probably exists for many weapon systems.
This argument, that is true for the US, hardly applies to all the smaller countries out in the world market for military jets. There is no domestic competition in Malaysia, Vietnam, Switzerland, UAE, Iraq, Jordan, Venezuela… you get the point. They still aren’t buying from China. Go figure.
One of the most important factors regarding any military system is ensuring ongoing and quick support for it. If it's adopted at its home country, if it has other clients who demand service and can become a third party supplier, how much is the foreign government likely to deny you service due to a political conflict (either directly or through sanctions), and how much you can support it locally. Plus - on a personal level - no one making purchasing decisions wants to be the guinea pig.
inflation + mainstreamed production line means the F16 isn't that far or is cheaper than the f15. same with the F35, it is now cheaper to make the F35 than to make F16s because we changed production
Yeah agree but with that said at least you know it’s going to work as advertised! What’s the point of spending half as much on more but what’s the point if it’s all junk and useless!
The f-16 of 2024 is much MUCH different than the f-16 of 2003. The electronics alone and larger more utilitarian weapons package is a large reason for the increase in cost. Yes of course inflation and cost of NATO labor has a large piece of the pie too. But the tech in that plane nowadays is scary.
I worked for an aircraft company. We had certain airframes that Came from a chinese outsource manufacturer. The fit and finish and quality Of their work. Was so shotty, nearly Every airframe had to have some kind of major repair. It ended up being more costly to have a chinese manufacturer.
It’s terrible part is that China now has the engineering and manufacturing capability to produce those. That company probably spent tens of millions to develop their air frame and while China may make low quality now it will lead to them producing high-quality air frames with zero investment in development. Companies that used Chinese manufacturing to are responsible for trillions and economic losses for the United States. GE was the largest company in the world before they started manufacturing in China.
@the_manofculture oh yeah? Who would ever believe that the quality of cheap Chinese military technology and other goods are bad?.....Oh yeah, literally everyone who doesn't live in China 😂 Don't worry, I'm sure some African warlords will still buy peak Chinese war machine: Toyotas... Oh wait, nevermind that's not Chinese either 🤣🤣🤣
This is because China wants to give us scrappy airplane parts, thinking that we are dumb and will assemble an airplane with scrappy parts 😂😂 nope lol we have the most dominate airforce, navy and personnel. We are smart, not dumb 😂
naaah to me it's real simple! if you have the steal the specs in order to "create" a fighter jets, it follows logic that you probably really don't understand what it is your doing, cause if you did.. you wouldn't need to steal specs!
reverse engineering is not advanced tech knowledge at all. copying what other do makes nobody special or relevant. the world doesnt need countries like north korea china and russia. covid missed about 2 billion absolutely worthless people in 2020
I think that’s a good point but I think in a different way. It’s whenever the countries that have had their specs stolen and reverse engineered suddenly do home grown upgrades that they roll out to their models and customers. The Chinese logistics chain then have to either steal the new specs again or somehow parallel engineer it. Buyers may be wary of that. Give the Russians credit. They also have a much better track record of coming up with their own technologies.
How to put this, the US spends gobs of money and is pretty much always actively deployed somewhere. If this is a good use of resources can be debated, but it does generally result in a well equipped force with pratical experience.
it's true, looking at China, their army is inexperienced, training is poor and there is also corruption in the Chinese army, China resembles Russia because promotions to positions in China are mainly due to loyalty to the Chinese party and also the navy, poor technology like the land army, lack of nuclear-powered ships and smaller ships, i.e. mainly tonnage and this works to the advantage of the USA, so the USA continues to develop its economy, the military and technologies are developing rapidly in the USA, China mainly has an economic problem, reminiscent of Japan in the 1980s, but I think positively about the USA because I am an optimist, but not everyone can be pessimistic, but that's their business as the US thinks
you can't be any more wrong though..... China has the best marching experience of any country. Their soldiers display an unprecidented 0 fatalities/parade. Their various military operations against rebellions and protests demonstrates full knowledge of battlefield logistics. The paper on which their specs are hyped up, is made of the finest testicle skin. @@mateuszpitala9458
J20 does not allow exports. J11/J15/J16 has an agreement with Russia that does not allow exports. Only J10/J31 can be exported. Considering the global political landscape, Europe and the Americas will not use Chinese fighter jets. The only remaining regions are Africa, South Asia, and some parts of the Middle East.
@@aquagaming3480 Not only from the United States. Many of Americas' allies also buy european such as the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale and also are collaborating with europeans with various projects like the upcoming sixth generation fighter jets. The United States still dominates overall but countries like the United Kingdom, France, Japan ect are still buying, selling and working with eachother.
@@aquagaming3480not true at all USA allies buy from South Korea, France, UK, Sweden, Japan, Spain, Germany Just to name a few, pretty much everyone not Russian or Chinse
I agree, "on paper" is the key phrase. On paper Russia has an impressive military force. And the best navy in the Black sea. And a mighty air force with powerful fighters. And very effective tank divisions. On paper. But we all have seen a very different reality. On paper means nothing.
Lmao, still boils down to one thing, you can hate on Russia all you want, but even a blind person can still see that they're a major force to be reckoned with
@@echetamadavidson9454They’ve proven themselves to be a middle level force, i don’t think they’d fare well at all against nato, they’re struggling against just 10% of natos resources in another countries hands
They all said Russians are goona lose, they goona go bankrupcy, well, have they? Now the Ukranians want to end the war now. It is very interesting that a country backed by the NATO still cannot beat the Russians, and you mock their ability "on paper"? LOL.
Their first attempted invasion of Ukraine was that convoy that sat for 2 weeks out of food and fuel😂. Kiev to russian border is only 300 miles. Kiev to moscow is only 530 miles. Doesn't exactly scream competent military. If you can't feed your soldiers and fuel your equipment for a 300 mile journey, you probably need to turn in your world super power card😂😂😂. Don't even get me started on their single aircraft carrier with it's tug boat escort 😂😂
Just because they have lots of trash, doesn't mean they can't have quality, too. USA also made lots of trash, like Ford and GM for example. But that's expensive trash, hehe..
@@KlausWittmann No dude, not even there. Their junk cars aren’t selling there because people got a taste of the shabby. Even Russian solderers are pissed about the Chinese weaponry they’re forced to use. Made in China is a joke the whole world over.
The problem with Turkey is that it is a NATO member. When they joined NATO, we did not have sophisticated communications networks, so it was possible to purchase cheaper planes from Russia and China, but now the requirements for NATO have been significantly updated for hive capabilities. With an F-35, you can purchase the soon to be available drone wingman that will keep up with the F-35 for much cheaper. 1 F-35 will be able to control something like 4 drone wingman aircraft. This reduces costs by only requiring 1 pilot for 5 planes all capable of shooting down targets in a coordinated strike. You can also send the drones up ahead to protect the main command control. From what I read, these drones will have an automatic switchover to another nearby F-35 in the event that the assigned F-35 goes down. Drones will be the future. Hive networks are the future. With the network being put into place, even tanks, aircraft carriers, and AWACs in the area will be able to see all and control all.
@@nechoji You know as well as I do wumao that China launched their own space station Tiangong for soft power clout, of course based on old Russian tech because China copies it doesn't create anything new.
Another major concern has been the quality of a lot of Chinese jets, especially when it comes to operational use. Chinese jets like the J-7 have historically seen a very low serviceability rate in other air forces, and even more recent aircraft like the JF-17 have seen major quality concerns with the few nations that do operate them.
@@user-vn6je8zw9l My apologies for this delayed response. However, Myanmar has already reported multiple operational difficulties with their JF-17s, and before the current civil war flared up, they were talking about returning the jets, with Pakistan sending technical personnel to look at the issues. There are a number of articles detailing the same. Even Pakistan's JF-17s have been reported to be facing low availability rates, but there aren't too many sources for that.
@@Bcap420 Having a drone or fighter kill doesn't say anything about the aircraft. It means the missiles used are decent, but it doesn't say anything about the aircraft's operational readiness.
j-20B with new engine have since 2021 was test. "In October 2023, the Pentagon reported that PLAAF was preparing upgrades for the J-20, including extended weapon-carrying capability, thrust vectoring nozzles, control systems for unmanned aircraft teaming, and WS-15 high thrust engines."
There's nothing 5th Gen bout the J-20! Not the avionics, ot the engines, not stealth capabilities, not the weapons, and for damn sure...not the coatings and the FC-31 is NO DIFFERENT.
@@shawnwhitter5968 👍 Much like their GDP, their population size, their “innovation”, their 9 Dash Line, their “democracy, with Chinese characteristics”, their consumer market size… The entire place is a sham.
I believe China got the stealth fighter that was shot down in the former Yugoslavia and the stealth helicopter left behind in Pakistan after the bin laden raid so they might have some kind of advanced coating.
The Bangladeshi, and Pakistani armed forces also bought fighter jets from China (and several other military items). Both of them have had several crashes, and they’ve both tried to return the aircraft they purchased. However, the CPC wouldn’t accept the return of any aircraft, or any of the other military items they’d purchased that ended up being defective. That’s the problem with the Belt and Road Initiative! In the long term, the projects that are made by the Chinese usually end up failing, whether they worked on military equipment, or dams, airports, ghost cities (in countries other than China), etc… They also usually end up stealing resources from whatever country they do projects for. When they built the headquarters for the African Union, they bugged the whole building so they could learn ‘state secrets’. Five years later it was discovered. The CPC denied bugging the building🤷♀️
@@denysecoop7356 Mf what are you on about? When did Pakistan tried to return them? Pakistan has used JF-17s on two occasions during combat and both of them were successful. And yes there has been some crashes but that shit tends to happen with US aircrafts as well. For the record, the latest and greatest f-22 and f35 both of multiple crashes due to mechanical issues or training misshaps as well
LMAO. You have no idea how many of the critical systems and components are made in China. Boeing planes have a large number of parts came from China. Same with your car, phone, PC, and medicine. So please learn and investigate before you speak.
@urnomatchforme That's why everything made today is junk. Made in China. Reaganomics, my friend. Goodbye American made. Hello, Amazon and Sam's Club. You presume too much.
@urnomatchforme Your presumption of my level of intelligence on the matter amuses me. As my rhetorical response has been blocked, please, by all means, educate me on the quality of Chinese craftsmanship. 😯
@@MetaView7 not to say anything, but the American economy is growing faster than the Chinese one, and in addition, the USA has increased its advantage over China from PLN 5 trillion in 2021 to PLN 10 trillion in 2024
@@MetaView7Chyna Assembled by slave labor only! Meaning you just putting it together, quality control by the western firm since the CCP brands highly lacks this!
I can think of two reasons. One, American Aircraft has a proven track record in combat. Two, China might quickly become unreliable in terms of providing spare parts in the event of a conflict with the U.S., or even with just Taiwan.
Who would buy their over rated "fighters" when their CCP government are bullying their neighbors and potential clients? Now this is from real experience in the mining industry. They can't even make dependable mining equipment! Yes their equipment are cheaper than European or American equipment but they cost more in the long run because they took to long to install, double or triple the maintenance cost because the parts break and wear faster, unsatisfactory after sales support, incomprehensible (but hilariously funny chinglish) manuals and sometimes non-existing maintenance manuals, etc. The disadvantages of buying chinese equipment that costs millions of dollars are too long to list. Now that was just civilian equipment. Would you buy military equipment worth billions of dollars from manufacturers with that reputation? Well maybe some would if the chinese grease the palms of the client government's officials and generals with kickbacks 🤣
The J-31 will probably have a niche within the market of countries that want the F-35 but cannot because the political cost is too high, countries such as Egypt, Saudi, Emirates, and Pakistan come to mind.
@@hanrockabrand95 Yeah, it can also be used to pressure America to give into demands because by that point America would be at a loss if they were to not give in, the UAE did this when they threatened and went through with their Mirage 2000 deal all the way back in the late 90s because the US did not want to sell them F-16's, this later developed into another deal where the UAE even got a custom radar built for their F-16 order.
you are not a well versed one are you? UAE already has a deal in place for 50 F35's. Saudi Arabia will either join the Abraham accords and purchase the F35 or they will help develop the Tempest. The Gulf states are also investing in the KF-21. The only foreign market you mentioned for Chinese fighters is Pakistan.
@@davidporter7051 Nice one but the UAE largely backed out of the deal because of a stipulation that said that it would have to not use it against Israel in any future scenario, sure they could get it eventually but for now the Rafale F4 will suffice. Tempest is also a long way ahead and Saudi involvement is not yet confirmed because Japan had objections to their participation. Lastly, KF-21 will not compete as a fifth-gen fighter so it is not even logical to bring it up.
They overcompensate so much with terms like "Vigorous", "Virile" and "Well Endowed" I bet they use rhino horns, tiger claws and shark fin as fuel additives. 😆
@@venomstylist9812 lmao i love how you cry about overhyped stuff being sh*t but yet the Raptor is one of the most overhyped fighters in the world... Its literally technology from the 90's originally meant to fight the soviet union.. but hey it shot down a balloon :)) If you didnt notice, we live in 2024 with more advanced radars and IR sensors and in a fight against China the short range and lacking ability to be used on carriers makes the Raptor completely obsolete. Its Americas J20 to show the world i have this super fighter. In reality both are overhyped way too much
American weapons systems are far better correct? Overrated, overpriced and way too problematic and these are comments from their their own websites. It did not prevent the USA tying in Korea , losing in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Since using American weapons systems, Ukraine is on the verge of military and economic collapse. Need I say more as to the cost effectiveness of American weapons systems?
@shoshe-jd4gf Not entirely, China has a problem with semiconductors when it comes to the production of good quality, that's why the USA imposed tariffs on semiconductors so that China has a problem
I bought a kids desk for my daughter and the screws that come with it didn’t even have the heads on straight I had to go buy proper ones from the shop (German made) if they can’t even make screws god help them I don’t even know how u can make screws bad in the first place
To be fair to China, you cant just build this stuff, no matter how much money you sink in it. Theres a huge amount of institutional expertise and memory needed for these kind of products.
People that say "china has no exp" Dont realize what that implies. You do realize that you are essentially wishing that china takes after the US and starts random wars with weaklings to grind Exp like the US does. It baffles me that people dont think about there statements. Be glad they dont have exp. Pray they dont start grinding exp.(Taiwan looks like a good grind zone lol)
Sales also have to come with technical support from the seller. I’m pretty sure our packages come with advisors, mechanics and tons of support behind the product. I can’t imagine the Chinese could even do this.
Saw something where countries that bought their jets in the last decade decided to swap out for French or U.S. made jets. I'm guessing they seemed cheap at first, but there are issues with the engines in terms of maintenance or even requiring replacement. They even went for used aircraft from other countries to replace those, so that may be a tell.
I don't know where you heard that the USA has problems with engines, but China certainly has problems with its metallurgy, copying from abroad and poor quality and technology.
Define modern. They have some decent engineering talent, but they don’t get the greatest training at Chinese universities. I’d say they have improved a lot, but they are still way behind. Fourth Gen? No problem, though we are talking mid Fourth Gen, with worse quality problems than Boeing.
Have you ever considered that China isn't trying to sell their jets? China generally doesn't warmonger as much as the US does. How many times has China been to war in the last 50 years? Now how many times has the US been at war?
3:30 not entierly true either, SAAB makes GREAT Jet fighters, and have been sense 1950is, still we in Sweden dont sell that many of our planes, and today the JAS 39 Gripen is the one we sell. But we sold more than China at least.
Because they have nothing but good looks. Has anyone seen them in action showing their virtues? Does anyone want to become dependent on China's technology and infrastructure?
Affordable new jets like the KAI FA-50 Golden Eagle, Textron Scorpion, and Boeing-Saab T-7 Red Hawk are missing from the cheap new planes that are being ordered today. They can be used for general patrol and training. Even though they have a T designation, they can be used beyond just training. The US is replacing the T-38 with the T-7 Red Hawk, but I am sure it will also be replacing the F-5 and F-20 with either the T-7 or T-50. The FA-50 has the GE 414 engine and the ability to do Mach 1.5.
Has anyone ever read; "Made in China" and thought of quality? We usually know that "Made in China" = "Crap". Sorry, just a fact. I bought a competition air riffle for example. This is not just a pellet gun, this is used in competitions for money. I thought I would save and buy direct from China. It had a scope, and I went to sight it in. I have medals from the US Navy/Marine Corps for "Sharp Shoot pistol" and "Expert Riffle", okay? I am not claiming to be a pro sniper, but I think I hold my own and maybe a little bit of the other guys when it comes to target shooting. Now the gun. I sent hours shooting targets, adjusting, and shooting and adjusting. I was embarrassed at first when the 1st 7 shots missed the target completely. I had no idea which way to adjust. SO I moved closer, and I did this 3x until I made it stupid close and was standing just a few feet from the target. Turns out there is no amount of adjustment in that scope that could bring the crosshairs onto the target. Took some research but found out that the hole bored down the barrel, inside of the gun itself was at an angle so from less than 10 feet from a target, I could not hit the target. or maybe at 10 feet I think I started to hit the target and found it was WAYYYYYY left and high (from just 10 feet). Again, I am no armature and I had to just throw that POS away. an old red rider BB gun would easily outperform the Chinese competition air rifle by leaps and bounds and then some. So, this is what "Made in China" means. Thier vary best wasn't as good - could not come close to an American toy version in real life. So, am I surprised when you say they aren't making quality stuff? Ask China how to come they aren't speaking Japanese right now? They got their azzes handed to them by Japan until the US saved them. So, China, if you're reading this, you're welcome, now give the land back to Tiawan as it was theirs first, before your good buddy Russia leaves you standing there alone holding the bag. If you aren't aware, competition Air Rifle is an Olympic event.
china is NOT catching up to america at all. reverse engineering shit doesnt make that tech equal to the original. if countries cant develop their own tech they dont deserve being on the world stage of anything. the thoughts and opinions of things dont make anything matter at all.
honestly, economically people said that china would overtake the usa by 2020 but it didn't happen and then the usa increased its advantage over china economically technologically the same usa strengthened its advantage over china militarily the same usa strengthens its advantage over china the advantage of the usa is that it has a military and military equipment and technologies of better quality, for example, the US Navy is of better quality than the Chinese fleet
When will china overtake us? The day they start inventing thing not copying from usa Usa have best academic they spend a lot in R&D unlike china Do R&D on copying
Everyone wants to buy a Chinese jet, Chinese motorcycle, Chinese car, because they are affordable. And if you clean, wax, and display them in your living room, they would last forever. I know because my neighbor has a Chinese motorcycle displayed in front of his house - over ten years old and still shines like new.
Economy through military sales is different from economy through domestic sales.Superiority in military technology is a priority and not for sharing to other countries.
Russia become "Unpopular" is a new thing. Before 2014 Russia is a very "Popular" country with wide range customer. After the annexation of Crimea and lists of sanction from the western countries, it's popularity slowly declined. The major hit is after the US passed the CAATSA which made the country who didn't want to upset the US completely avoided Russia weapons included it's fighter jets. And, after Russia invasion of Ukraine, the sales is completely stopped, they needed it for their own war after all.
I suspect this whole situation has changed since the invasion of Ukraine. Russian must have now agreed to transfer the technologies, engines know-how, other favorable terms to China so China may give Russia a lifeline.
If it was from U.S., Britain, or France, it is STATE OF THE ART. If it was from Russia, China, or N.Korea, it's JUNK. Hope this answer your question. Okay haters, I'm ready for your denials.
Talk about China's tech qualities: 3 rival sources have dismantled BYD's EV cars respectively. All of them were praising how advanced Chinese EV model is! China is the only country which remains 100% successful soft-landing on both the near and far side of the Moon. China builds a space station single-handedly! China is the leading contributor to top scientific journals both in quantity and quality. ... and plenty more!
What’s interesting is that importers in your countries buy $1 screwdrivers from China and sell them to you for $40, so you think Chinese products are of poor quality, we can also produce $1000 screwdrivers
Tejas small size and delta wing gives it the edge needed in dogfights. Tejas was designed from zero technology to todays prowess. It will soon surpass the best of the best in the game.
This perfectly illustrates how hilarious it is when commenters say China is now the leader of the world, when they dont even have more influence than the US in Asia 😂
You forgot the most important reason, US sanctions or threaten sacntions. US threaten to sanction Turkey, Brazil, etc for just thinking of buying Chinese missles or other high tech weapons.
Turkey: I want to buy missiles from China. US: If you do so, “We” will unfriend you on Facebook and talk behind your back. Turkey: But why? US: Because I don't like it.
Russia is going to soon become a military equipment buyer, not seller. They need a lot of money just to recover what they lost in Ukraine and the Black Sea.
The US has a lot more than 1800 fighters. That is just the number in the USAF, you also need to include the fighters in the US Navy and the Marine Corps. That brings the total to nearly 3000.
I'm old enough to remember back in the 70s it was common to hear Japanese cars are crap. Then a few dacades later the claim was it was South Korean cars were garbage. And then the claim was the Chinese could never compete. Now China's EV's industry is so dominant the American government had to slap a 100 percent tarrif because American car companies can't compete. The US military and economy is still currently ahead but at China's current rate of technological development it's only a matter of time both China's economy and military surpasses it. it's entire plausible by the end of the century China will more than twice the size of the US economy. Those mocking China are sort of like an old heavyweight champ boxer cockily mocking an up and coming young Mike Tyson. They have no clue whats going on.
Probably because they don't have a lot of close military allies. Most of their relationships are more multi-faceted and operate on a sector-by-sector basis. The US has a small army of countries that are basically aligned with it economically, politically, militarily and culturally. China's approach to foreign policy is a bit more business-like. Pakistan, for example, gets most of their flagship systems from China, despite nominally being a US ally. Tanks, fighter planes, ships, etc. Buying a modern, advanced fighter jet ties you very strongly to the country for resupply and even technical expertise. Members of the F35 program send their pilots to the US to train, and the US is very secretive about the inner workings of that plane, even to their partners. Most of China's relationships really aren't like that.
Except the development of the Arjun tank is still a joke. After decades of investment, there is still nothing to show. The Tejas aircraft uses American bought engines. And they even use designs licensed from the Russians for simple things like firearms. It will still be 30-50 years for india to properly develop a MIC, and thats IF corruption doesn’t hinder efforts.
