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Why Nobody Knows What 彁 Means 

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@glowingfish
@glowingfish 3 месяца назад
The "Kan" in Kanji ultimately comes from the Han River in China, which is why it has a water radical.
@foogod4237
@foogod4237 3 месяца назад
That may be true, but in Japanese usage, that character has nothing to do with a river anymore. It basically just means "China" ("kanji" (漢字) literally just means "Chinese characters"). Which of course just highlights one of the big problems with assigning meanings to Japanese kanji based on their elements or appearance, because they weren't even developed as part of Japanese to begin with (they were basically just -stolen- ..ahem.. adopted from Chinese), even in Chinese their meanings had sometimes diverged from what they once were, and on top of that the ways in which they were adapted to Japanese sometimes had very little to do with their Chinese origins or meanings (for example, many were originally used phonetically in Japanese, because they had a particular pronunciation, not because of a particular meaning, and then came to develop their own unique Japanese meanings from those usages).
@a11aaa11a
@a11aaa11a 3 месяца назад
I'd argue that very much still has to do with water: "characters of the people who are of the Han River" would still relate to water.
@firewoodloki
@firewoodloki 3 месяца назад
Every language on earth have words that swayed from their original meaning. It is like saying learning Latin prefixes and suffixes would not help your to understand English, which is not entirely true. Radicals can hint the meaning of a word to a certain degree, and knowing the backstory behind a word gives you a better understanding and chance of sticking it in your head.
@georgedeng8646
@georgedeng8646 3 месяца назад
The "Kan" in Kanji comes from the Han dynasty and which also refers to the Han Chinese people.
@glowingfish
@glowingfish 3 месяца назад
@@georgedeng8646 And the Han people came from the area around the Han River, thus the water radical. (Okay, I am going to have to edit this comment, because people decided to ignore the context of what I was saying. The Han people, who existed as developing cultural and ethnic groups for hundreds and thousands of years before the formation of the Han kingdom, later considered the Han Kingdom as their unifiying ethnic and cultural origin, and took their name from it. The clarification of my original comment was to explain why the character for "Kan"/"Han" has a water radical, not to explain the totality of the political and cultural history, and for that matter, the difference between political and cultural history, in a RU-vid comment.
@sebastianomasi202
@sebastianomasi202 3 месяца назад
Take notes: this would be a really cool way to write out the name of some unknowable eldritch being
@nathanoher4865
@nathanoher4865 3 месяца назад
Well, Hawaiian is a completely language, and the Hawaiian alphabet has 13 letters, and we have 12 kanji here. If we decide to replace the letter P with two ‘okina (apostrophes) then we now have a 12-letter Hawaiian alphabet. Then you could replace the letters with the kanji. The result is a relex of a completely language. That means that it’s certainly viable to create a language that isn’t a relex, using just these 12 kanji as letters.
@alexwang982
@alexwang982 3 месяца назад
Already has been done; theres analog horror based out of these
@tovarishchfeixiao
@tovarishchfeixiao 3 месяца назад
@@nathanoher4865 But kanji is not a letter. lol Kanji usually represent one or more syllables, and also represents meaning.
@nathanoher4865
@nathanoher4865 3 месяца назад
@@tovarishchfeixiao I know how kanji are supposed to work, but I’m saying that you could create a cursed alphabet using those symbols as the letters and then spell the name of the eldritch being OP was talking about with that alphabet
@pyrobola8715
@pyrobola8715 3 месяца назад
​@@tovarishchfeixiaoWell, the 12 in the video represent zero syllables.
@AlexMohanMD
@AlexMohanMD 3 месяца назад
That 'Jisc' logo is wrong - it's for a United Kingdom not-for-profit organisation that provides network and IT services and digital resources in support of further and higher education and research and not the Japanese Industrial Standards Committee, FYI
@TomWhi
@TomWhi 3 месяца назад
I was wondering what the uk Jisc company had to do with Japan’s standards committee. Thanks for highlighting.
@subjekt5577
@subjekt5577 3 месяца назад
Shoots, looks like Sam is gonna ask Amy to investigate seppuku next
@RorysHappyHouse
@RorysHappyHouse 3 месяца назад
Can’t wait for next year’s mistake video
@polishedrelish
@polishedrelish 3 месяца назад
ouch lol
@WellBattle6
@WellBattle6 3 месяца назад
Reminds me of the news using the UNSC logo from Halo for the UN Security Council.
@Kaihatsu
@Kaihatsu 3 месяца назад
I’m a font designer in Japan. Sometimes designers make mistakes when putting together a letter. These days they get caught when checking for mistakes and the vectors get edited, but in the old days before computer aided design it was much easier for things to slip through the cracks, then all of a sudden - a new kanji has accidentally been invented. Kanji are much easier to design in my opinion because once you make the radicals you can piece them together like a jigsaw, though modification is still needed.
@cameron7374
@cameron7374 3 месяца назад
Easier than kana or easier than English letters?
@TitularHeroine
@TitularHeroine 3 месяца назад
For a moment, at your "these days they get caught", I thought you meant the designers rather than the mistakes. Like, they're doing it sneakily😂😂 Oops.
@Sephiroth144
@Sephiroth144 3 месяца назад
@@TitularHeroine GOOGLE TRANSLATE SHALL FEEL MY WRATH!!! *add hash mark to kanji* _supervillian laughter_
@ibnu7942
@ibnu7942 3 месяца назад
japanese font names be like a-otf shin go pro fot-chiaro std b dfp(insert chinese characters here that i cant even read lol)w(insert your font thiccness here)
@robertsteinbach7325
@robertsteinbach7325 3 месяца назад
And, of course, you can NEVER have too many Kanji, right?
@rotoruaboy
@rotoruaboy 3 месяца назад
the characters 漢 and 治 both feature the same radical 氵because they originated as names of two ancient rivers. So yes, they are water related, but over the ages they took on more significant meanings that surpassed their original definition
@firewoodloki
@firewoodloki 3 месяца назад
治 should mean solving watery problem in the first place, then it extends to solving problems in general, and finally sticks to rulings and governance.
@TheCuber2400
@TheCuber2400 3 месяца назад
Did you mean to use a different character for ji? Because the two you wrote there are pronounced kan and ji, but the second one isn't used to write the word kanji, but rather 字 is.
@jiagengliu
@jiagengliu 3 месяца назад
@@TheCuber2400they mean 政治 meaning politics
@peccantis
@peccantis 3 месяца назад
Aren't all rivers ancient?
@cameron7374
@cameron7374 3 месяца назад
@@peccantis No. Canals often aren't.
@彁
@彁 3 месяца назад
No, that character is just me.
@rqmxn.
@rqmxn. 3 месяца назад
real
@bubblyproduction9809
@bubblyproduction9809 3 месяца назад
Facts
@EEEEEEEE
@EEEEEEEE 3 месяца назад
E‎ ‎ ‎
@SilverSword2000
@SilverSword2000 3 месяца назад
Did you edit the name of that channel just to say that? 🤣
@snipsnap9995
@snipsnap9995 3 месяца назад
@@SilverSword2000 I don't think so their channel url also contains the character, but I don't think that one changes if you update your name?
@stigthe1227
@stigthe1227 3 месяца назад
As a Japanese, I’ve never seen those characters. Except when any file breaks in my computer because of unicode and JIS being incompatible
@EEEEEEEE
@EEEEEEEE 3 месяца назад
E‎ ‎ ‎ ‎
@cosmic_jon
@cosmic_jon 3 месяца назад
Classic mojibake -- a Japanese word, by the way!
@furretwalky
@furretwalky 3 месяца назад
it'd be more surprising if you have, no? hehe
@danieldronzek8616
@danieldronzek8616 3 месяца назад
Mojibake?
@nethcarlisle2941
@nethcarlisle2941 3 месяца назад
@@danieldronzek8616 Mojibake ("character transformation") is the garbled or gibberish text that is the result of text being decoded using an unintended character encoding.
@joshuaclark9278
@joshuaclark9278 3 месяца назад
There's a song in Taiko no Tatsujin by LeaF called "彁 (Ka)". It's this insane glitch song with multiple time signatures, almost like a "ghost in the machine", like the ghost letter in its title. Also, the beat map goes completely crazy with beats overlapping each other constantly.
@NonneinP
@NonneinP 3 месяца назад
There is also one song by a Doujin circle called Diao ye zong. The kanji seems like a cool character since it have no meanings or like a glitch in the system.
@Kilted_Dragon
@Kilted_Dragon 3 месяца назад
What's a "Doujin"?
@Gyufygy
@Gyufygy 3 месяца назад
Can we declare it to be Missingno's theme song?
@tr1p0re
@tr1p0re 3 месяца назад
LeaF MENTIONED
@joshuaclark9278
@joshuaclark9278 3 месяца назад
@@Kilted_Dragon Basically the Japanese version of independent creators. No corpos.
@kingpak1325
@kingpak1325 3 месяца назад
政治 more precisely means “Politics” rather than “government”, with 治 kind of meaning “management”/“solve”/“rule” etc, which is actually related to water too because in very ancient times the leaders are the ones who manage the river, which the community is built upon.
@testxxxx123
@testxxxx123 2 месяца назад
yep, in ancient China, 治水 meaning manage flood. There is theory that Chinese civilization transformed from tribe to form countries, specifically because of collective need to manage/prevent floods.
@Renwoxing13
@Renwoxing13 2 месяца назад
​@testxxxx123 Sweet. Thanks for the knowledge man !!! I believe that theory 1000% !¡! I find it so believable because of : 🅰️ : The sheer size of China [even minus all modern China] 🅱️ : The remarkable Cohesion the entire country had during almost all of its history and dynasties !¡! Qin, Han... Tang... Song ... Yuan, Ming, Qing. It's remarkable how vast and cohesive China remained throughout such a long historical span. I never thought about it, or laid attention to it, but now that I have seen your comment it really starts making sense to me !!!¡¡¡!!!
@thisismycoolnickname
@thisismycoolnickname 2 месяца назад
Nonsense. The etymological dictionary says 治 was just originally the name of some river, and just by accident it was pronounced the same as the word for "to govern", so the person decided to reuse the character.
@TurtleMarcus
@TurtleMarcus 2 месяца назад
@@thisismycoolnickname Yes, that makes more sense, since that's how it usually goes for kanji. A Chinese character represent a word, and then the Japanese started using the same character to represent a Japanese word which sounded similar to the Chinese one, no matter the actual Chinese meaning.
@DiddyKrung
@DiddyKrung 3 месяца назад
The theory I've always heard is that 彁 was copied from a blurry photocopy of 埼玉自彊会 "Saitama Cooperative Organization" from a 1923 newspaper. I guess thats speculation.
@Xanaduum
@Xanaduum 3 месяца назад
The symbol itself looks like a photocopier. Maybe it's an in joke. 😅
@sokolov22
@sokolov22 3 месяца назад
@@Xanaduumthe first emoji?!
@t-shinji
@t-shinji 3 месяца назад
Yes, that’s true.
@victoralexandervinkenes9193
@victoralexandervinkenes9193 Месяц назад
Kanji 1 in the name contains one element of (Ka), and kanji 4 contains another part of it, too. What do they mean individually, and could it perhaps give it a new meaning?
@DiddyKrung
@DiddyKrung Месяц назад
@@victoralexandervinkenes9193 埼 means “headlands”, 彁 doesn’t mean anything since it’s a ghost kanji. If it had a meaning it would probably have something to do with curves, since it has the 弓 radical.
@transfered
@transfered 3 месяца назад
As an asian, I can confirm that we painstakingly search for every kanji one by one in unicode when we text
@SL16867
@SL16867 3 месяца назад
As a Taiwanese, I can confirm that is indeed how the Thai language works
@chrischeng9145
@chrischeng9145 3 месяца назад
​@@SL16867lol wut?
@roofogato
@roofogato 3 месяца назад
back when i was still early in learning Japanese, i genuinely thought that was how asian languages worked and was scared that id always need a unicode dictionary on me XD . luckly now i know how hiragana/katakana work
@Archchill
@Archchill 3 месяца назад
can’t tell if your serious lol but i’m gonna guess not bc that would be insanity
@simonlow0210
@simonlow0210 3 месяца назад
@@Archchill The joke aside, Chinese is usually typed with a romanised spelling system called Pinyin, and then you can choose the words from the list of Kanji shown. Japanese words works similarly by inputting Kana instead of Pinyin.
@HussainAkbar
@HussainAkbar 3 месяца назад
In our language, Urdu, there is one character that appears in the regular alphabet, is taught in primary school, etc but is only used in the spelling of a single word.
@kimandre336
@kimandre336 3 месяца назад
I'm guessing that it's a word of Persian origin
@Game_Hero
@Game_Hero 3 месяца назад
it's special
@tm-dp9pq
@tm-dp9pq 3 месяца назад
ژ
@ErinaBee.sMoney
@ErinaBee.sMoney 3 месяца назад
?
@hensleydodson5733
@hensleydodson5733 3 месяца назад
What is it?
@NonneinP
@NonneinP 3 месяца назад
From the analysis of a Vietnamese Nôm scholar, the character 彁 looks like a combination of 弓 and 哥. 弓 mostly stand for a bow, or to strive for something. 哥 is usually used for adressing someone who is male which is older, or same age as you. However he suspects that 哥 is actually the duplication of 可, meaning worthy, or great ambition, or (able to) achive. Duplications is often used in traditional Chinese to exaggerate or emphasize the meaning of the character. So 彁 could means to strive for something unfathomably great, something that is of great meanings, or extreme worth. Do take this with a pinch of salt though.
@WesleyLeeYang
@WesleyLeeYang 3 месяца назад
"strive for great meaning" not meaning anything is so good
@HistoricalWeapons
@HistoricalWeapons 3 месяца назад
It probably just means archery assistant. The guy that picks the arrows and give to you instead of a nobleman doing it
@thany3
@thany3 3 месяца назад
In the same way that 木 is a tree, 林 is a woods, and 森 is a forest. And you can combine it to 森林 to mean something like woodlands, a region that has many woods or forests, or just an even greater variety of forest. Japanese has this duplication too, and in current use.
@eewilson9835
@eewilson9835 3 месяца назад
Thanks for making common sense connections! Many languages lost, many North American tribes wiped out, do not let people say that somthing is nothing, when in the back our minds have a good idea. Memories from 3 generations back are in our heads today, and this is recently published in specially written psychology journals that do computer science and memory studies. Peace.
@ibec69
@ibec69 3 месяца назад
Oh yes, favourite is 姦, which is woman 3 times. It means cunning, wicked or noisy. 😅
@dr.woozie7500
@dr.woozie7500 3 месяца назад
Hanzi (Chinese Traditional and Simplified), Kanji (Japanese), and Hanja (Korean Han characters) all originate from 5th century Chinese characters. Many characters lost or changed meaning along the way.
@lipschitzlyapunov
@lipschitzlyapunov 3 месяца назад
Hey you're talking to an American RU-vidr here... these American trivia RU-vidrs like HAI/Wendover, RLL generally have room temp IQ lol
@firewoodloki
@firewoodloki 3 месяца назад
@@lipschitzlyapunov True. Somehow they don't have a big picture of how the greater world interact.
@FlameRat_YehLon
@FlameRat_YehLon 3 месяца назад
For example, the name of about 90% of chemical elements.
@Obscurai
@Obscurai 3 месяца назад
Sick doesn't mean sick.
@seanxi
@seanxi 3 месяца назад
@@lipschitzlyapunov stop it, I use celsius.
@tsikli8444
@tsikli8444 3 месяца назад
Small correction: Kanji are ultimately Chinese characters, and it would be more accurate to say that the Kangxi Dictionary contains 40,000 Chinese Characters and not Kanji, as #1 only a small portion of those characters are used as kanji (and to be honest in normal Chinese communication) and #2 the pronounciation and definitions given in the dictionary are for Chinese and not Japanese.
@glowingfish
@glowingfish 3 месяца назад
Yeah I thought the same thing but also thought that it was a pretty good simplification for a short video.
@andoletube
@andoletube 3 месяца назад
Yeah typical Japanophiles always downplay the Chinese origins of things. Origami, Kanji, Bonsai, calligraphy - all ripped off from the Chinese but they act like they invented them.
@dr.woozie7500
@dr.woozie7500 3 месяца назад
Yep. A Chinese person can read Japanese Kanji and understand about 75% of the meaning while a Japanese person would only understand about 20% of Traditional Chinese characters. Tokyo in Japanese is pronounced: 東 To 京 Kyo , in Mandarin Chinese 東 Dong 京 Jing. Although the pronunciation is different, the meaning is still the same, literally "Eastern capital."
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
There's also 国字 which are Kanji invented by Japanese people like 働.
@francisnopantses1108
@francisnopantses1108 3 месяца назад
Or he flubbed the pronunciation of "Kangxi". But you're probably right. That said, the Japanese kanji and Chinese hanzi aren't exactly the same. Both linguistic communities modified them.
@safebox36
@safebox36 3 месяца назад
There's actually a full 51 hiragana and katakana characters. 3 are no longer used in modern Japanese, but do appear in historical tests (and in some fonts); 𛀆/𛄠 (yi), 𛀁/𛄡 (ye), 𛄟/𛄢 (wu). Another 2 of the remaining 48 are almost never used except in specific circumstances and have alternative kana combinations to make the sound instead; ゐ/ヰ (wi), ゑ/ヱ (we). These are known as the gojuon, "the fifty sounds". The 51st kana is ん/ン (n) and was only created in the early 1900s to replace む/ム (mu) in words that make the "u" sound silent when spoken aloud. Edit: And then there's "small kana", but that's an easier situation; smaller versions of the "y" sounds, vowel sounds, and the "tsu" sound.
@ElZamo92
@ElZamo92 3 месяца назад
lol, these show up as “?”s on my phone.
@guiorgy
@guiorgy 3 месяца назад
I'm on Android, the yi-ye-wu characters appear corrupted 😅 Edit: Came back on Windows Chrome and except for the first ye character (𛀁) the rest are still corrupt
@girrrrrrr2
@girrrrrrr2 3 месяца назад
I like how the Japanese didn't load on my phone. Thank you for the explanation.
@DanielOnFire101
@DanielOnFire101 3 месяца назад
That was debunked btw
@idonnow2
@idonnow2 3 месяца назад
wait i didn't know that ん/ン is a recent conscious invention, i just assumed it was a funny little phonetic quirk of Japanese that of all consonants only n existed on its own
@victorchen3245
@victorchen3245 3 месяца назад
I think for 99% of population using Kanji, at least half of the ~50,000 Kanji characters are never learnt or seen in their lives. There were popular TV shows in China where teenagers compete each other to pronounce and explain random "fossil" characters. My theory is that people just keep inventing new characters back in the days when they couldn't find one to mean what they had in mind, because there wasn't a widely used dictionary to keep track of those. Then they end up like niche memes that no one understands in a few years.
@Blue-Maned_Hawk
@Blue-Maned_Hawk 3 месяца назад
I imagine that such invention of characters has stopped in the modern day simply because Unicode doesn't have the abilities to do such things. (Unless someone wants to hijack the seventeen characters from 13430 to 13440 for use in a completely different script.) At least alphabets have the ability to make shit up, like the term “alfgontrausnamatation”.
@fandroid6491
@fandroid6491 3 месяца назад
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk Given how weird Gen Z is, I wouldn't be surprised if "alfgontrausnamatation" becomes a real slang word
@WyvernYT
@WyvernYT 3 месяца назад
[Grumpy Cat kanji] [Badgers Badgers Badgers kanji] [Distracted Boyfriend kanji] [Longcat kanji]
@Blue-Maned_Hawk
@Blue-Maned_Hawk 3 месяца назад
@@fandroid6491 I dunno why you're making this a generational thing-people can be weird and make things up no matter what their age.
@FlameRat_YehLon
@FlameRat_YehLon 3 месяца назад
​​@@Blue-Maned_Hawk except it does, but few system (if any) actually implement that and would just show the raw string. Kinda like how old phones would display skin tone variation of an emoji with the original one followed by a skin tone square.
@AlexanderBlums
@AlexanderBlums 3 месяца назад
The Jisc logo in your video is not the same JISC. The one you used is a UK based organisation that provides IT services to academic institutions.
@dacueba-games
@dacueba-games 3 месяца назад
That's hilarious. I hope someone gets fired for this blunder.
@zzyzx0069
@zzyzx0069 3 месяца назад
@dacueba-games calm your tits. No one is gonna get fired. These channels produce a lot of videos month, heck you just watched a video about how A GOVERNMENT run department that was tasked with making a list of all the special characters used in a countries language and how in searching for the thousands of individual, hyper localised to a region, characters used to refer to anything and everything, they made mistakes sifting through who knows how many documents and books to find each character. In Japan, the katakana for the same thing can look completely different from one part of the country to the next. So yes, the JISC made mistake and a couple of writers and researchers on a RU-vid channel who are likely working on multiple projects at a time will also make mistakes. The only thing that will most likely happen at best is that they are gonna acknowledge the mistake in the next "Ooops, are all the things we were wrong about in all our videos from the last video we made telling the things we wrong about :-P" video and show what the correct logo is. And besides!!!! Just because the logo was wrong doesn't mean the information they gave is incorrect. It's not like all of a sudden the tech support JISC in England is gonna be get requests to figure out what the Kanji for a bruised banana is for a hyper specific village in a remote part of North eastern Japan just because HaI used their logo instead of the JISC in Japan's logo.
@cyberfutur5000
@cyberfutur5000 3 месяца назад
@@dacueba-games I too am unable to identify humor. Please imagine, or ask chat gtp for, a very long and unnecessary text where I explain the thing to you, you obviously already know, starting with the plot of the thing you've just seen.
@micheal5117
@micheal5117 3 месяца назад
i need whoever was responsible to be sacked
@pipjackson8884
@pipjackson8884 3 месяца назад
@@zzyzx0069They’re making Simpsons reference. They almost definitely are not calling for a HAI editor to get sacked.
@XNekomaru
@XNekomaru 3 месяца назад
Akenbara 𡚴原 is 5km north of Taga, in Kawachi, in the mountains on the east of the lake.
@JonathanAuburn
@JonathanAuburn 3 месяца назад
Even Jisho has these listed as "(phantom kanji)". Every day I get more and more fascinated by these characters, even if I still can't read most words.
@keeganbrown2644
@keeganbrown2644 3 месяца назад
Actually one of the most interesting videos you all have put out in a minute.
@redbean9410
@redbean9410 3 месяца назад
i guess you could say it was full interesting
@lxv97
@lxv97 3 месяца назад
Yeah this channel is getting way too interesting. This video here is like "Twice as Interesting" at the very least.
@newmarowak
@newmarowak 3 месяца назад
Can't wait for LeaF's 11 songs for the other characters.
@newmarowak
@newmarowak 3 месяца назад
For context: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EsOU0V2kpUI.html
@jwjustjwgd
@jwjustjwgd 3 месяца назад
Haha true
@misslovedog8177
@misslovedog8177 3 месяца назад
@@newmarowak wow, i had seen the taiko chart (which is also nightmarish lol), but never this mindfuck of a music video :0
@DeerJerky
@DeerJerky 3 месяца назад
@@newmarowak how the heck did you manage to post a hyperlink without getting instantly youtube filtered for no reason
@forsakenprotector486
@forsakenprotector486 3 месяца назад
To be fair 彁 i believe is the only one with no possible origin. The other ones are all written in older dictionaries and whatnot
@JoMama-b3k
@JoMama-b3k 3 месяца назад
0:04 as a verified Chinese person, I only know one of the characters mean
@Ricky_69
@Ricky_69 3 месяца назад
which one?
@dodo-eu6ox
@dodo-eu6ox 2 месяца назад
@@Ricky_69蟐 is a bug
@HaHa-cj5sf
@HaHa-cj5sf Месяц назад
Me too
@akito14
@akito14 3 месяца назад
the pronunciation of 彁 in Chinese is "ge", which be used in the ancient books of Han Dynasty like:《後漢書·張衡列傳》屑瑤繠以為彁兮,巩白水以為漿。 or: 《通典·乘勝》:至高壁嶺,總管劉弘執馬而諫曰:「彁糧已竭,士卒疲頓,願且停營,待兵糧咸集,而後決戰。」 So why did you guys say this Kanji is meaningless?
@peacockhung
@peacockhung 2 месяца назад
It is not. Those are errors made by OCR. The correct word here is 糇 instead of 彁.
@gudmansal3468
@gudmansal3468 19 дней назад
no? both of these use these because the symbol looks kinda like the original incomprehensiable symbols
@akito14
@akito14 19 дней назад
@@gudmansal3468 meh Chinese people won't create the characters that they needn't
@gudmansal3468
@gudmansal3468 19 дней назад
@@akito14 they created at least a few hundred of these
@brianyue9719
@brianyue9719 3 месяца назад
The oldest one of the Japanese written langauge evolved from Traditional Chinese. They even look the same and have similar meanings. This effect orginates from the 华夏文化圈(chinese culture circle), where chinese culture got exported to other countries around it during ancient times (as China was very powerful and influential in East Asia, esp during the Tang and Song dynasties).
@explosion1972
@explosion1972 3 месяца назад
Are you sure that means "chinese culture circle"? Because I know a few of these characters myself and I'm pretty sure the first two characters mean ""glowing summer".
@htrowii1090
@htrowii1090 3 месяца назад
@@explosion1972​​⁠​⁠华 as in 华文的文。 You are right that 夏 stands for summer. In this context however, 华夏 stands for China / Chinese 文化代表culture. 圈 is… well circle Where did you get the glowing part from? lol
@explosion1972
@explosion1972 3 месяца назад
@@htrowii1090 According to additional research(=google) of my own, you are right. About the glowing part - either my translation mistake or the meaning has changed over the course of several millennia.
@3810-v6x
@3810-v6x Месяц назад
More on the Chinese side perspective of these mystery characters: Past dynasties of China have used different sets of characters and they were translated into newer characters as history progresses. A recent example would be the creation of simplified chinese by the chinese communist party, which created a new set of characters with DIFFERENT radicals (before that there were simplified chinese characters used in local regions but they still follow a set of rules (六書造字法).) and the simplification of Chinese hanji (which happened much after kangxi dictionary) might have created new unicode characters. As implicated by the original post, simplified chinese, traditional chinese and japanese kanji can share similarities, but some words are coded with different codes. The Hanji we use in daily lives are very limited, some that are translated from previous sets of characters might have became redundant, irrelevant and have lost their meaning, transposable as it is, most didnt made it into the computer display codes. Buddhism has continuously has a huge impact in both China and Japan. There is proof of trading and interaction of the now Chinese and India regions especially after the Han dynasty where great expeditions were made. And particularly in Tong dynasty, Japan has frequent visits to China to trade, and also to learn the Buddhism of China. Thus, Buddhism was also impactful in Japan dating back until (if im not mistaken) the Sengoku era, where warlords suppressed Buddhism organisations and focused more on Japan’s own religions for coherence by nationalism, which they call 大和魂. China’s monks might have translated Hindu’s Buddhism scripts into Chinese characters for easier pronunciation and spreading the religion. Therefore, the “mysterious characters” might have no particular meaning because they were the Chinese pronunciation for the Sanskrit Buddhism scripts. As I am aware, aside from the 12 mysterious characters that made into the unicode, there might be much more of them that didnt make the cut because of irrelevancy. So these are my possible theories from the Sino-perspective. I am ethically Chinese and could read Chinese, but I could’ve made mistakes so these are just possible theories.
@吳政霖-b9t
@吳政霖-b9t 3 месяца назад
The original meanings of the words "漢" and 跟"治" are strongly related to water. "漢" originally meant the Milky Way, but this word was used by Liu Bang as the name of the country. "治" originally meant Hydraulic engineering. Later, the meaning was expanded, and its modern meaning is management.
@FlameRat_YehLon
@FlameRat_YehLon 3 месяца назад
And my personal guess is, out of all the possible words for it, the one that has something to do with water got picked because water is a common metaphor of people, who when gathered can push things.
@seanxi
@seanxi 3 месяца назад
the first leader(manager) of an ancient rice farming civilization was literally a hydraulic engineer.
@FlameRat_YehLon
@FlameRat_YehLon 3 месяца назад
@@seanxi The third. 尧舜禹, and it's 禹 who did hydraulic engineering.
@seanxi
@seanxi 3 месяца назад
@@FlameRat_YehLon ur right
@equilibrum999
@equilibrum999 2 месяца назад
非. 汉意思汉河, 这不是星道路.
@gabrielarrhenius6252
@gabrielarrhenius6252 3 месяца назад
JIS = Japanese Industrial Standard C/X = Generation/iteration xxxx(the numbers) = the version
@goosenotmaverick1156
@goosenotmaverick1156 3 месяца назад
Thanks for that! Being an engine nut I know about JIS screws but never realized that was only one specific spec they set and rather a system of standardizing everything, language included. That blew my mind. I never thought to look any deeper than my existing knowledge of JIS fasteners.
@random832
@random832 3 месяца назад
The C/X is actually the category of the standard - C is for electronics and X is for information processing
@gabrielarrhenius6252
@gabrielarrhenius6252 3 месяца назад
@@random832 so the specific iteration...
@gabrielarrhenius6252
@gabrielarrhenius6252 3 месяца назад
@@goosenotmaverick1156 That I have no idea about
@funtonite
@funtonite 3 месяца назад
​@@goosenotmaverick1156it's the equivalent of ISO, the International Standards Organization but for Japan. A lot of JIS standards are equivalent to ISO ones. There's standards for everything you can think of
@dozyote
@dozyote 3 месяца назад
Props to the writers on this one for not padding out the video with unhelpful or unrepresentative kanji examples to appear more knowledgeable about the writing system. This was pretty good. Yall have done better than like 99% of the channels out there who have made videos about kanji with zero clue what they're talking about
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
Wait what exactly are you talking about? Are you talking about people who go "Hey look at this "鬱". So complicated!"?
@dozyote
@dozyote 3 месяца назад
@@kakahass8845 Definitely part of it, yeah. I've got a bone to pick. People on youtube who make language content who don't actually know very much about Japanese have an annoying tendency to exoticize kanji while at the same time bemoan their continued use. It's usually the same handful of points regurgitated. 鬱 being too complicated (bonus if they use the dragons in flight character to make a point of how complicated characters are), "three trees makes a forest", confusion about onyomi vs kunyomi, kana being a "solution" to kanji, "one character = one word", 生 having too many readings, etc. Specs of trivia that don't represent how kanji function individually, don't adequately explain how they're actually are used in the orthography, yet are repeated endlessly and cited for other people's videos on the topic. Whenever I meet someone who's interested but maybe doesn't know much about the Japanese language or kanji themselves, these are often the only things they know, which really sucks, I think. It leads to learners just starting out having this expectation that kanji are really scary and complicated and nonsensical, and your average person receiving an over-exoticized view of not just the language, but the culture too, with the implication that it is entirely inaccessible without dedicating ones life to study. The fact that the writers here decided to just leave most the trivia and the cruft out, intentionally or not, makes this like one of the most "normal" videos about kanji I've ever seen. For an example of the complete opposite, Name Explain released a video somewhat recently that was pretty terrible on all these points. Thank you for reading my essay
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
@@dozyote Oh I see, I agree that it's irritating.
@orngjce223
@orngjce223 3 месяца назад
​@@dozyoteThe whole thing about kanji looking like it would take a lifetime seems like obvious nonsense to me. I know some Traditional Chinese, and it takes a year or two of decent part-time instruction and flashcards to learn enough characters to read a newspaper. And that is _without_ either Simplified Chinese or kana to help!
@shiina29
@shiina29 3 месяца назад
@3:05 Nope, there are 4 levels of JIS kanji! The English Wikipedia article says 2, but the Japanese one has all 4.
@spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
@spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace 3 месяца назад
2:15 sam says 46 katakana characters but 47 are shown on screen, also moraic n is missing
@TomeTomeTomeTome
@TomeTomeTomeTome 3 месяца назад
For as long as I have known katakana I have literally never seen the last 3 on the list lol. Looking at them is so bizarre that they look fake.
@chi-minhtran9563
@chi-minhtran9563 3 месяца назад
There is a fundamental mistake in the explanation : You only look at the Japanese side of the story, and totally forget that the "Sinograms" or Chinese Characters are used in Simplified Chinese, traditional Chinese, Japanese and even Korean To summerize, I worked 15 years ago on how to display "Sinograms" on mobile fone, and managed to have a paper copy of the Unicode characters list, from 0x0000 to 0xFFFF. The whole book is more thick than a Chinese dictionary.... So the Sinograms part runs from 0x4E00 to 0x9FFF ( 20 992 Possible characters) and it pretends to encode ALL Sinograms, and also "Japanese / Korean own creation" in it, so that a Full Unicode compatible font can display full Chinese, Japanese and Korean text (I will call it CJK to simplify) So, if one particular character exist in ALL CJK languages, than it will get one common code. Example 0x4E00 is "一" meaning "one" in all three CJK language, and has the same meaning. But some time a characters has the same meaning in ALL CJK languages, but has some graphical difference (due to simplification or local practice, sometime it is very subtile), it still use different code. A very good example is the character meaning "To Say" 0x8AAA "說", this is the Trad. Chinese form, for simp. Chinese it is simplified as 0x8BF4 "说" by reducing the "Speak" radical on the left, and in Japanese it is 0x8AAC "説" as the two stroke on the top right corner goes inward in stead of outward One last category is Japanese / Korean local variant, and the best example is the character "Dragon" : If you start with the Japanese JIS standard, you will get 0x7ADC "竜", this is the Japanese style simplification of the Trad Chinese it is 0x9F8D "龍", and some old Japanese people may know that. but the Mainland Chinasimplification 0x9F99 "龙" is totally unknown to Japanese people. All this to say that the 12 characters you listed are of 90% chance obsolete or rarely use old Chinese characters, or use only in some historical people name, like the last character of the 1st row is part of the name of a lady in Chinese mythology, Chang Er "嫦娥" , who fleed to the moon after drinking an immortal elixir. As the story is not know in Japan, no reason the JIS encode this 2 characters. Another fun fact is the whole Sinograms area in the Unicode is ordered in the old Chinese dictionary way: by the number if strock of the radical in traditional Chinese, then the number of stokes of the remaining part. Now a day (not much) young people know how to find a word in a paper Chinese dictionary :)
@hamsterfloat
@hamsterfloat 20 дней назад
Imagine digging into every single plausible source, all around asia, including a vary ancient one, to identify if this letter has known use.
@sagittila
@sagittila 3 месяца назад
The second character from the left in the bottom row is a Chinese character that only exists when talking about the extra month that sometimes gets inserted into the lunar calendar - when you add the extra month you just repeat one of the months and add that symbol. When researching the Chinese Lunar Calendar I asked several Chinese people what the character was and they had no idea. Took quite a lot of internet digging but then I figured it out! Anyway it’s probably a holdover from when Kanji were adopter from Chinese.
@htrowii1090
@htrowii1090 3 месяца назад
閏 (run4) does not have an additional dot, is there another character for that?
@equilibrum999
@equilibrum999 2 месяца назад
@@htrowii1090 in chinese ceyboarddw, cann bewryth o u'men'yu, is giveth 閠, 音闰.
@kalyxo_tb
@kalyxo_tb Месяц назад
@@htrowii1090 wiktionary lists 閠 (with dot) as a variant/alternative form of 閏 in Chinese usage
@KolaBugFD
@KolaBugFD 2 дня назад
@@htrowii1090 閠, a variant character of 閏
@dulpit
@dulpit 3 месяца назад
The logo used for Jisc in this video is for a UK higher education organisation, not the Japanese industrial standards Committee.
@LuxembourgishMapping
@LuxembourgishMapping 2 месяца назад
I think he just searched "jisc logo" and not "jisc japan"
@HistoricalWeapons
@HistoricalWeapons 3 месяца назад
Bow brother, perhaps archery assistant
@gormauslander
@gormauslander 3 месяца назад
That's pretty fun
@T33K3SS3LCH3N
@T33K3SS3LCH3N 3 месяца назад
Space Battleship Yamato introduced a character called 玲 by the fact that nobody would get her name right. 玲 would usually be read Rei, as many characters with 令 in them are. So everyone assumes that's her name. But it turns out that her name is actually read Akira because screw you. It also has the extremely useful meaning of "sound of gemstones".
@ErinaBee.sMoney
@ErinaBee.sMoney 3 месяца назад
I like SH玲's songs
@isoraqathedh
@isoraqathedh 3 месяца назад
Presumably it is the onomatopoeia for jingling gemstones, so like the word "bling". Not as silly as it might look at first!
@haleya9510
@haleya9510 2 месяца назад
Hey that's my Chinese name! 刘玲玲,Liu Lingling, and yep, it's the onomatopeiac (spelling?), the sound of jade! ❤
@haleya9510
@haleya9510 2 месяца назад
​@@isoraqathedhyep, that's it!
@ankokunokayoubi
@ankokunokayoubi Месяц назад
"Akira" can be written with many many many different kanjis with different meanings each
@christiannordvall4021
@christiannordvall4021 3 месяца назад
The element 哥 is most likely meant to be read phonetically as "ka" (Mandarin: "ge"), as its literal meaning "elder brother" is virtually never employed for constructing new characters. And the element 弓 is obviously the radical "bow", used for archery-related words. So the meaning could be something like an archery-related sound effect, either "kaa..." (creaking of string being pulled) or "ka!" (twang of arrow let loose). But of course, Japanese manga has probably already assigned stock sound effects to these actions, so we'd need to find some aspect of the archery process that does not yet have an assigned sound.
@Blue-Maned_Hawk
@Blue-Maned_Hawk 3 месяца назад
The sound of slightly adjusting the bolts on a compound bow to change the strength because it's been a while since you've used it and either you or the bow has changed in that time.
@BirdieRumia
@BirdieRumia 3 месяца назад
The meaning of 'older brother' for 哥 is apparently a later borrowing from a Xianbei dialect, so the original meaning of it is probably just 'song, sing' like in its elaborated form 歌.
@equilibrum999
@equilibrum999 2 месяца назад
but for sound they would also give and combine it with 口
@toshi00tt
@toshi00tt 3 месяца назад
Akenbara is a neighborhood in the Kawaguchi section of Taga, Shiga-Ken. It's hard to find on maps since it is not a town or a village.
@SgtSupaman
@SgtSupaman 3 месяца назад
After the explanation of the one character, I was hoping we'd hear about what mistakes led to all the other "ghost" kanji. I guess I'll have to look it up myself.
@InfinitiaterYT
@InfinitiaterYT 3 месяца назад
Yay another random character to scare my friends with :D
@HiByeIDKwhatToSay
@HiByeIDKwhatToSay 3 месяца назад
how
@InfinitiaterYT
@InfinitiaterYT 3 месяца назад
@@HiByeIDKwhatToSay idk make them think their computer cannot interpret the character :P
@imjustaguyman480
@imjustaguyman480 3 месяца назад
@@InfinitiaterYT huh ok
@caturion5453
@caturion5453 2 месяца назад
The character "治" (zhì) in "政治" (zhèngzhì), meaning government, originally means "to stop a flood." The ability to stop a flood signifies the capacity to organize a large group of people to work together on a project, hence the connotation of governance. The first king of the Xia Dynasty is said to be an engineer who stopped the Yellow River from flooding, as recounted in the famous tale of 大禹治水 (Dà Yǔ Zhì Shuǐ). The character "漢" (hàn) means Chinese because the Han Dynasty is considered the golden era of ancient China. The Han Dynasty was named after the Han River (漢江, Hàn Jiāng), which was in turn named after the Milky Way (星漢/河漢, Xīng Hàn/Hé Hàn), a "river in the sky." Therefore, both of these characters originally have meanings related to water.💦
@Hitorie_
@Hitorie_ 3 месяца назад
Talking about Kanji without mentioning its Chinese origin is wild when Kanji literally means "Han Characters" thus "Chinese characters"
@Hitorie_
@Hitorie_ 3 месяца назад
And just like other languages, words get obsoleted and no longer been used so some characters lost its meaning in the process, and sometimes, it might be a writing mistake through transcriptions.
@fiaviy.5298
@fiaviy.5298 3 месяца назад
Exactly. I found that strange when he introducing kanji without mentioning Chinese(Hanzi) in the first place. XD
@jase87
@jase87 3 месяца назад
Typical of western media, they don’t know that most traditional Japanese/koreans/East Asian culture up until the last 200-300 years originated from China
@bryonwhite6359
@bryonwhite6359 3 месяца назад
Right? Hes making it seem like Han characters are from Japan
@Hitorie_
@Hitorie_ 3 месяца назад
@@bryonwhite6359 Yea this makes me feel weird and the guy behind HAI probably has prejudice against China I am afraid
@MFMegaZeroX7
@MFMegaZeroX7 3 месяца назад
Its worth noting that the JIS standard even misses a bunch. Adobe-Japan1-7 (they defacto font standard), includes about 14644 kanji, over double the JIS X 0213 standard. Including characters like 髙 which is fairly common in names.
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 3 месяца назад
What's interesting is how number 8 looks to me (a non Japanese person) a lot like the symbol for open/closed/locked/unlocked that a lot of Japanese doors have on it.
@EEEEEEEE
@EEEEEEEE 3 месяца назад
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@Chicken_o7
@Chicken_o7 3 месяца назад
You're thinking of 開 and 閉. That's cuz 門 means "door". It's one of those radical things that Sam mentioned in the vid that can sort of allow you to guess what a word means.
@possessedllama
@possessedllama 3 месяца назад
Do you mean the Arabic 8 or the Japanese 8 (八)? And what does it look like? 開? 閉? Or is it not a kanji character?
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 3 месяца назад
@@Chicken_o7 Yeah. That was my understanding too. It looks like it's in some form related to doors. Reading the wiki, it's suspected of being a typo.
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 3 месяца назад
@@Chicken_o7 That's correct
@katevgrady
@katevgrady 3 месяца назад
Macauley Culkin 😂
@monopalisa619
@monopalisa619 3 месяца назад
Xiang Yu (項羽) took down the Qin dynasty (秦朝) more than 2000 years ago divided the terriroty of Qin into 4 states (諸侯國). One of them is Han State (漢國) which was named after the Han Rive (漢水) and was led by Liu Bang (劉邦) who in turn defeated Xiang Yu and established the Han Dynasty (漢朝). The Han Dynasty was so powerful that even after the fall of the dynasty the Chinese people then still calls themselves Han People (漢人) and the characters of the Chinese language was subquently called Hanzi (漢字) or Kanji (漢字) in Japanese. Also the og meaning of Han 漢 is milkyway and milkyway in chinese methology is usually refered as a giant silver river (銀河) in the sky, hence the water radical.
@scythal
@scythal 2 месяца назад
Wasn't Liu Bang the badass who led a bunch of penal labourers towards a rebellion that overthrew the Qin?
@equilibrum999
@equilibrum999 2 месяца назад
西方有奶道, 東方有银河。
@MrFram
@MrFram 3 месяца назад
4:10 this is false for Japanese, Chinese and Korean, look up unicode CJK unification where they tried to combine characters that they though were the same leading to much anger from Japanese whose characters got replaced by similar but different Chinese ones. This is reason why Japanese resisted unicode for so long and to this day have lower unicode use than most developed countries
@commenter19393
@commenter19393 3 месяца назад
the differences between modernized japanese and chinese characters (shinjitai vs. simplified) probably caused these right? which was why unicode adoption was postponed. I think the video would have made more sense if he mentioned the origins and developments of kanji, that they’re Chinese characters, and that they are used in Korean (not really, but hanja is still infrequently used), Chinese (hanzi), and Japanese (kanji), and that conflicts commonly occur.
@jinolin9062
@jinolin9062 3 месяца назад
@@commenter19393correct me if im wrong, but isn't the point of cjk unified to have one unicode for characters that have the same origin/meaning, and let fonts make them into the language specific form?
@NYKevin100
@NYKevin100 3 месяца назад
@@jinolin9062 Yes, but then they changed their mind, so now we have the ideographic variation database, which is kind of a terrible hack but at least it's better than nothing.
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
Funnily enough I've seen Japanese people use the simplified Chinese 泪 over 涙.
@foogod4237
@foogod4237 3 месяца назад
You need to actually read what the rule says. This rule just says that if a *single* source lists two things as being separate, they won't be combined. It says absolutely nothing about combining things from different sources, which was, frankly, kinda a practical necessity really (even if it was imperfect in some cases). And IMHO, the main reason why Japan was slower to adopt Unicode than many other places has nothing to do with this at all. It's simply because they already had a large, well-established computing infrastructure using the JIS standards, which were perfectly adequate for their needs, and largely incompatible with Unicode, so converting all of their existing systems over required a much bigger effort for them than for most other countries, so of course it's going to face more resistance and take longer in the end. It was just fundamentally a harder and more complicated change for them to do than most other people.
@kitsuneneko2567
@kitsuneneko2567 3 месяца назад
I hereby define that character, because it has the radicals for oneself and song, to mean bad karaoke music.
@kevinolmedo675
@kevinolmedo675 3 месяца назад
The Council approves of this decision
@activatewindows7415
@activatewindows7415 3 месяца назад
1:57 from the Chinese I know, I'm pretty sure that means politics instead of government.
@h2knad
@h2knad 3 месяца назад
government is 政府
@SilverSword2000
@SilverSword2000 3 месяца назад
These are the HAI videos I subscribe for😄
@VidLangOffical
@VidLangOffical 3 месяца назад
me too
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 3 месяца назад
This was almost a "Tale of Tiffany" level story!
@ツッ
@ツッ 3 месяца назад
But what does ツ mean?
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
It's the sound "Tsu" there's also シ (Shi), ソ (So) and ン (N*). * I romanized it as "N" but it changes it's pronunciation depending on the sound that comes after but it is always a nasal sound.
@多领国
@多领国 3 месяца назад
Sound alphabet, no meaning
@InkboxSoftware
@InkboxSoftware 3 месяца назад
I think the best example of the backwards compatibility of Unicode with the Japanese Industrial Standard encoding schemes is the inclusion of the JIS symbol itself: 〄
@abz7998
@abz7998 3 месяца назад
The examples you gave in 2:00 are actually consistant, those characters all origionally refer to something water-related. 治 in 政治 origionally refers to river control, in modern Chinese it just means management. 漢 origionally refers to the milky way (some say it refers to the Han river). And the Chinese word for the milky way is is 银河, which literally translates to "silver river". Today it usually refers to the Han ethinicty
@furretwalky
@furretwalky 3 месяца назад
Ah yes, my favorite LeaF song! It's called... uhhhhh.... well..... hmmmmmm...
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten 3 месяца назад
彁 (pronounced か)
@fandroid6491
@fandroid6491 3 месяца назад
@@jan_Eten Google Translate on drugs as usual and thinks 彁 is pronounced "hikaru" Edit: Also translated か (ka) to "?"
@misslovedog8177
@misslovedog8177 3 месяца назад
​@fandroid6491 it translating ka to a question sorta makes sense because when you use ka at the end of a sentence it turns it into a question. その文字は漢字です
@miawgogo
@miawgogo 3 месяца назад
just noticed an error, your using the logo for the academic network in the UK the Joint Information Systems Committee instead of the one for the Japanese Industrial Standards Committee
@aurelfarkasovsky
@aurelfarkasovsky 3 месяца назад
The water radical in kan comes from a name of a river, it gives name to the han dynasty as a dynasty of kings from the ethnicity from the area of the river han, the chinese "chinese" ethnicity is han, and kanji is basically han characters.
@OceanBagel
@OceanBagel 3 месяца назад
Clickbait, this video was at least two-thirds as interesting!
@duukvanleeuwen2293
@duukvanleeuwen2293 2 месяца назад
"If you know it, you know it. And if you don't, you don't." Great quote man, great quote 👏
@Nico_M.
@Nico_M. 3 месяца назад
IIRC there's a related phenomenon of ghost characters that I don't remember the name, but it's basically characters that we only have one example of usage, i.e. there's only one source where we could find it, and it appears there only once. We can sort of understand them by context, but we don't know for sure.
@BirdieRumia
@BirdieRumia 3 месяца назад
Those are called 'Hapax legomena.'
@Nico_M.
@Nico_M. 3 месяца назад
@@BirdieRumia Thanks!
3 месяца назад
1:59 the 漢 in 漢字 does have association with water, it's name after Hanshui, a river in China
@HackerDragon9999
@HackerDragon9999 3 месяца назад
Deprecated characters could probably be used to make custom symbols in a font for a game or something.
@kahlzun
@kahlzun Месяц назад
This seems like a great chance for someone to seize the character for their own and add meaning to it
@jangelbrich7056
@jangelbrich7056 3 месяца назад
When I wss in Japan, we used to make fun of "uso-ji" 嘘字 (literally fake characters), like extremely complex with 100+ strokes, and we knew: they are not real XD
@u06jo3vmp
@u06jo3vmp 3 месяца назад
Actually the water radical in 漢 is easy to explain. The original meaning of 漢 is the name of a river, the Han river, located in central China, and the surrounding land was then called 漢中, and the guy who ruled that land was called 漢王 (the lord of Han). 劉邦(Liu Bang) became the lord of Han in 206 BCE, and later conquer the whole China and became the new emperor in 202 BCE. He named his regime over his old fief, 漢朝 (Han Dynasty), which became the first golden age of Chinese history, mirroring the Roman Empire on the other side of the continent at the same time. Sine the Han Dynasty, the Chinese people start referring themselves as 漢人(Han people, or Han Chinese), and all their stuff as Han-something. And that's how the name 漢字(Han zi) came to be, and Kanji is just the Japanese pronunciation. So yeah, that's how the word for Kanji is related to water.
@tarfeef101
@tarfeef101 3 месяца назад
7:15 is that a Jojo reference?
@mustang8206
@mustang8206 3 месяца назад
I'm so thankful for the Phoenicians
@kevink2986
@kevink2986 3 месяца назад
The mystery kanji character means jojo worm 🤣
@MultiSciGeek
@MultiSciGeek 3 месяца назад
This is so fascinating! Especially the photocopying part.
@WanneSomeSoup
@WanneSomeSoup 3 месяца назад
A great video but it still bugs me when you referred to Chinese characters as Kanji 5:55. It’s like go to UK and say “hey I’m glad you guys are using American letters too”
@General12th
@General12th 3 месяца назад
Hi Sam! Big shoutouts to Amy for 彁. She deserves a raise!
@commenter19393
@commenter19393 3 месяца назад
hey these kanji are actually chinese characters give us the credit we deserve
@ItsVentane
@ItsVentane 3 месяца назад
It's Japanese characters. They originated from Chinese, yes, but they're now a part of Japanese language. Big part of them even has new meanings, aswell as 2+ different readings
@commenter19393
@commenter19393 3 месяца назад
@@ItsVentanenot really, their meanings mostly stayed the same from when they were adopted during the Middle Chinese era. The on-yomi pronunciations still reflect modern day mandarin pronunciations, and kun-yomi is the only unique part. The only truly “japanese” kanji would be the kokuji (国字) and the different simplifications during the Meiji restoration movement (to push for shinjitai, e.g. 驛 to 駅 instead of 驿)z
@xmrun
@xmrun 3 месяца назад
I feel like if they're used in japanese then they're japanese characters. Kinda like how the word crayon comes from French but that doesn't mean it isn't an english word too. They're chinese characters if you're writing mandarin and japanese characters if you're writing japanese
@Cacti54321
@Cacti54321 3 месяца назад
​@@xmrun If you go to Jisho, a japanese/english dictonary site and put in "kanji" it comes up with Kanjil; Chinese character. The more apt example would be saying something like "this is an english letter" or "this is a spanish letter" when they both came from the Latin alphabet. English is english and spanish is spanish, but the writing block used originated from the Latin Alphabet. Same with Kanji, Japanese is Japanese and Chinese is Chinese, but the characters themselves are Chinese characters (or at least the majority of them are) and we call them that since that's where they originated from. It's also a bit of a translation thing, in japanese at least to my knowledge Kanji are just 漢字 which equates to the characters... It does translate to chinese character in english but realistically it would be more like calling the alphabet in english abcd... where your not really associating "alphabet" with english characters directly where you would say french has a difference alphabet.
@fiaviy.5298
@fiaviy.5298 3 месяца назад
​@@xmrunbut he literally call the Chinese characters in Chinese dictionaries kanji. That's wild. It's like calling a dad with his son's name, plus not mentioning the relation between the dad and the son.
@heckincat1406
@heckincat1406 3 месяца назад
This is why I love chinese characters. It feels much more like a rabbit hole than other writing systems, the fact that there's probably STILL thousands of unknown characters ready to be discovered is exhillarating! I look at it like a secret entrance to another world of linguistics :>
@OtakuUnitedStudio
@OtakuUnitedStudio 3 месяца назад
Of all the channels I watch, this was one of the LAST ones I expected to find a Jojo reference!
@stardust9470
@stardust9470 3 месяца назад
A lot of them are obscure characters that aren't really used anymore or corruptions of existing characters. The weird bow song fella seems to be read as ka in Japanese,but the only thing I gathered is that LeaF made a song filled with glitches and tempo changes and named it with the character. And if you're curious,yes,this reading is real and not something randomly assigned
@DoubleNN
@DoubleNN 2 месяца назад
"Kanji" is only called "Kanji" when its Japanese, otherwise its Chinese characters or "Hanzi", that Chinese dictionary lists Hanzi, not Kanji.
@q0w1e2r3t4y5
@q0w1e2r3t4y5 3 месяца назад
Brilliant idea for a tattoo to confuse locals as a tourist.
@Lillia-nu2xt
@Lillia-nu2xt 3 месяца назад
Appreciate your authenticity, keep being real
@fryfly5599
@fryfly5599 3 месяца назад
3:58 well in theory at least
@SilverAura
@SilverAura 3 месяца назад
lmfao can confirm
@SwervingLemon
@SwervingLemon 3 месяца назад
The fifth character on the top at 4:58 looks like "virtue".
@javelinphotography
@javelinphotography 3 месяца назад
I don't know why it's so funny but this is what ChatGPT said: The text in the image is in Chinese and reads: “麦翘昕栖蜓炳陲圉聊搅焰喋” However, this appears to be a random string of characters and doesn't form a coherent sentence or phrase in Chinese. It might be a result of a translation error or some kind of encoding issue. If your coworker meant to send something specific, it might be worth asking them to resend or clarify the context.
@fandroid6491
@fandroid6491 3 месяца назад
I died at coworker
@yangwxy
@yangwxy 2 месяца назад
Kanji is old because it came from our Chinese language. In Simplified Chinese, it's 汉语 (hànzì). In traditional Chinese, it's 漢字 (hànzì). 漢字 (hànzì) means "Chinese characters" in English. It specifically refers to the logographic characters used in the writing systems of the Chinese language and its derivatives. Each 漢字 typically represents a morpheme or a unit of meaning, and they are used in writing across various East Asian languages, including Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese. The strokes and structures of 漢字 are intricate and hold significant cultural and linguistic importance in East Asia. Historically, 漢字 (hànzì), or Chinese characters, signify several important aspects: 1. Cultural Heritage: 漢字 have been used for thousands of years in China and neighboring countries. They carry a rich cultural heritage, representing the history, literature, and traditions of East Asian civilizations. 2. Unified Writing System: 漢字 historically provided a unified writing system across regions with diverse spoken languages in East Asia. This facilitated communication and cultural exchange among different ethnic groups. 3. Scholarly Tradition: The mastery of 漢字 was traditionally a mark of education and literacy in East Asian societies. Knowledge of 漢字 was essential for accessing classical texts, philosophy, and administrative documents. 4. Artistic Expression: The calligraphy of 漢字 has been considered an art form in itself, with skilled calligraphers admired for their mastery of brush strokes and artistic expression. 5. International Influence: 漢字 have influenced the writing systems of neighboring countries such as Japan (kanji), Korea (hanja), and Vietnam (Hán tự). This influence extends to cultural practices, literature, and even modern technological advancements. 6. Evolution and Adaptations: Over time, 漢字 have evolved in form and usage, reflecting changes in language, society, and technological advancements. Despite adaptations and simplifications (as seen in simplified Chinese characters), the fundamental structure and historical significance of 漢字 remain deeply rooted in East Asian cultures. Overall, 漢字 historically signifies a profound cultural, linguistic, and artistic legacy that continues to shape East Asian societies and influence global perceptions of Asian heritage.
@jonahplayscello
@jonahplayscello 3 месяца назад
Strange how that exists, already watched it on nebula lol.
@EEEEEEEE
@EEEEEEEE 3 месяца назад
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@Sammie1053
@Sammie1053 3 месяца назад
...the second one from the right in the bottom row is just Cthulu flipping the bird
@Flugmorph
@Flugmorph 3 месяца назад
em effer just made a whole comprehensive overview of the japanese writing system to talk about this one kanji character
@Screaming.Monkey
@Screaming.Monkey Месяц назад
According to Kanji Recognizer ... 妛 - Ugly (みにくい) 挧 - Japanese Horse Chestnut (とち) 暃 - Be separated (ヒ) 椦 - Wickerwork (まげもの ケン) 槞 - Cage (ロウ) 蟐 - Mantis, Toad (もみ) 袮 - Ancestral Shrine, Embroidery (チ デイ ネ) 閠 - Illegitimate Throne, Intercalation (うるう) 駲 - Horse's Buttocks (シュウ ジュン) 墸 - Hesitate (チョ) 壥 - Fine Residence, Shop, Store (テン) 彁 - "No known meaning; S&H uses jabberwocky words" (カ セイ)
@benmerkey8823
@benmerkey8823 3 месяца назад
very funny to hear a chinese language dictionary being described as containing thousands "kanji", the japanese word for chinese characters. also why are there no comments on nebula?
@timothystamm3200
@timothystamm3200 3 месяца назад
As the title of the book shows the original pronunciation of that word in Middle and Old Chinese is a lot closer to Kanji than Hanzi. K-H is actually a sound change that happened in Germanic languages from Proto-Indo-European as well as Chinese. So the old sound was probably closer to Kangzhi. Also, we were talking about Japanese characters, so it would have been confusing to change names from Kanji to Hanzi.
@cemmy410
@cemmy410 3 месяца назад
No comments on nebula is why I didn't renew after the first year. There's absolutely no sense of community over there, which is extremely ironic because it only exists because of the creators' communities here on RU-vid
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
@@timothystamm3200 Nope the original was something like "Handzi".
@timothystamm3200
@timothystamm3200 3 месяца назад
@kakahass8845 you're right that I'm wrong. You are also wrong, though, the closest way to spell it in Latin letters is to use the Arabic transcription system. N'ars mu-d'zus.
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
@@timothystamm3200 What? Are you having an aneurysm? Do I need to call an ambulance?
@makenicerhombus
@makenicerhombus 3 месяца назад
When I saw 閠 I thought of those pieces of track that marble runs sometimes have with a lever to let marbles through when you want to start a race.
@weirdofromhalo
@weirdofromhalo 3 месяца назад
Made me think of a treasury, especially with its resemblance to 宝
@bobboberson8297
@bobboberson8297 3 месяца назад
waiting for this channel to discover 変体仮名 (not writing the english transliteration because it will probably get flagged by youtube lol)
@ChengJiaStat
@ChengJiaStat 3 месяца назад
kanji=汉字=the character of Han people. Han people are a group of people originated from a river in china. The name of that river? You guessed it! Han! now you know why there is a water radical in the word Kanji. :) similarly in 治, this character originally meant to control the flood (大禹治水). Again actually the water radicals make sense there. There has been extensive discussion on Chinese Quora (Zhihu) whether any chinese character with a water radical means something related to water. The answer is loosely yes, pretty much all chinese characters with a water radical originally meant something loosely related to water.
@jayplays9976
@jayplays9976 3 месяца назад
Did this dude just sneak a Jojo reference?
@tomaszadamowski
@tomaszadamowski 3 месяца назад
袮 is very much a thing in Chinese. It's the "you" for addressing deities in prayers
@paulyiustravelogue
@paulyiustravelogue 3 месяца назад
@1:58 that term 政治 means “politics” instead of government. The Kanji for government is 政府
@ryuubusucks9890
@ryuubusucks9890 3 месяца назад
Not a big stretch as 政治家 is politician. WWWJDIC also lists politics as a meaning
@gormauslander
@gormauslander 3 месяца назад
That pride and prejudice ref was a deep pull
@anthonyleblanc8915
@anthonyleblanc8915 3 месяца назад
First I thought, "Why doesn't Japanese just make it simpler?" Then I remembered I speak English and use the metric system...
@DdW85
@DdW85 3 месяца назад
What is difficult about the metric system?
@BetaDude40
@BetaDude40 3 месяца назад
There is actually a (relatively minor) movement in Japan requesting the government to phase out Kanji entirely. It's not _that_ far-fetched, Korea and Vietnam are two countries that also used to use Chinese characters for their writing systems before switching almost entirely to Hangeul and Latin script respectively. It is however very unlikely to succeed, as Japanese without Kanji is pretty uncomfortable to read, mostly due to how comparatively simple Japanese syllable structure is, so having a little bit of written disambiguation makes it far easier to tell what a sentence is saying. I've also seen it makes skimming pages extremely easy, as you can really quickly gleam the meaning of a sentence just by looking at the Kanji instead of having to read each sentence individually.
@marpintado
@marpintado 3 месяца назад
@@DdW85 They cant´t realize that they use the base 10 numerical system.
@ta96943
@ta96943 3 месяца назад
Well we’ve tried in the past but failed. It’s like writing English sentences only with vowels.
@francesconicoletti2547
@francesconicoletti2547 3 месяца назад
Americans took baby steps at simplifying English spelling. The result is two competing spelling systems, one marginally less bad than the other. Cultural inertia is huge.
@daruyamada6097
@daruyamada6097 3 месяца назад
Kanji's first character 漢 means Han river. Which eventually got the meaning of the Han-people as well.
@lipschitzlyapunov
@lipschitzlyapunov 3 месяца назад
Did you seriously call Chinese characters in a Chinese dictionary "kanji"? And then not even mention that kanji is literally "Chinese characters"? 🤡
@fiaviy.5298
@fiaviy.5298 3 месяца назад
It's like saying Latin books have many English, or calling a father with his son's name. 😅
@lipschitzlyapunov
@lipschitzlyapunov 3 месяца назад
​@@fiaviy.5298 That's a perfect analogy. It's like calling Roman text "English characters".
@ClorindeASMRWhen
@ClorindeASMRWhen 3 месяца назад
Calling Chinese characters Kanji. Sam just lost 69420 social credits.
@yablock7346
@yablock7346 26 дней назад
Those are kanji
@DreamSurferYT
@DreamSurferYT 3 месяца назад
wow i got your video seconds after upload
@reshpeck
@reshpeck 3 месяца назад
This is just a fancy way of saying "first"
@timothylee8494
@timothylee8494 3 месяца назад
This reminds me of how Taiwanese people use the character 水 (water) as texting slang for 媠 (beautiful) because, while 媠 is the correct character for the common word for “beautiful” in Hokkien dialects, it hasn’t been used in Mandarin writings in centuries. Because the characters and keyboards were all built for Mandarin, it’s really hard to easily type 媠, but it’s really easy to type 水, which happens to have similar pronunciation in Hokkien
@TeleviseGuy
@TeleviseGuy 3 месяца назад
It's so weird to hear someone pronounce the "r" sound in Japanese as if it was the English "r". Everyone else who talks about the Japanese langauge on RU-vid says it correctly.
@dacueba-games
@dacueba-games 3 месяца назад
People say the らりるれろ "correctly" but then get everything else about the pronunciation of the language wrong. At least my man here is open about not knowing Japanese pronunciation. I like that.
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 3 месяца назад
@@dacueba-games Isn't it easier to just say ラ行 than らりるれろ?
@Serexy
@Serexy 3 месяца назад
As a Norwegian, I'm genuinely curious why you have norwegian showing up in google translate
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