My favorite deck (or one of my favorite decks) was pen magicians when both pendulumgraphs were played. the problem is 3 of the 3 ofs are banned and some of the 3 ofs are limited so i can't play the deck as intended
I remember being really excited when Pendulum Magicians (my favorite archetype since I joined the game in 2016) became the top meta deck. I thought "Finally! I can play my favorite deck competetively!" But I didn't think about how that would change things on the banlist. Electrumite was then revealed, and it all went down hill from there, losing Joker, Astrograph, Starving Venom, and Double Iris. Kinda makes me wish Magicians never became a top deck to begin with.
When i tried magicians at locals I was just "the cool guy with cool decks" Then when the deck became tier 0-1 with electrumite everyone at my locals called me meta sheep even though i had the deck before mr4. And now that the deck is , not that good they just laugh at me and say that I only got what i deserve for playing meta. That hurts😢 (And the worst part is that i have never even attended a regional so calling meta sheep is kinda stupid) Same thing happened with my friend who used spyral before double helix.
The SAME thing happened to me and it pisses me off lmao That’s why I started using Cyberse and I’m praying that they don’t get really good cards all of a sudden to make them tier 0-1😂
As a Dinosaur deck player (Dinos with LW and Kaijus)I can confirm that you don't even have to pay $100 for reasonable success, if you don't use playsets of ashes and drolls (I know they're better but Veiler and Ogre aren't TOO much worse than they are). $30 for x3 structure decks +$10 for all the kaiju stuff together +$20-25 for Pills, Overtex, Veilers, Chanbara, Rex, etc and some miscellaneous links/xyz like Underclock and Evolzars, and $11 per Ogre. That totals my build to about $80-$85 which is a steal for a really solid regionals deck
The guy just likes to piss on red-eyes decks (or at least I think so). I know for a fact that Red-Eyes has more potential than dinos. I beat a pretty skilled dino player myself at the nationals and while I admit I lost one of the 3 duels, in the 3rd one I made the dino guy give up.
@@spank9898 It was a pretty weak build. I avoided duds like Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon and Masked Dragon, but it contained 3 wyverns for lack of other cards. And I don't remember exactly but I think I was using Black Dragon's Chick and Exploder Dragon. I didn't even have any Red-Eyes Insight. I used 3 Claws of Hermos with 3 Red-Eyes Black Dragon Sword. And my go to card was usually Red-Eyes Fusion to summon Archfiend Black Skull Dragon, though I did manage to make use of the gemini effect of Red-Eyes Archfiend of Lightning once... don't know how that miracle happened. I know I had 2 Black Stone of Legend and 2 Black Metal Dragon plus One for One... Foolish Burial, Dragon Ravine and Dragon Shrine plus a lot of revival cards. I used those to give my deck a bit of summoning speed since the monsters themselves aren't exactly the swarming type. I also had a couple of Red-Eyes Flare Metal Dragon. I didn't do that well in the tournament, I got my ass kicked by a trickstar player with italian cards (even though we were told at the start that it's an english event and english would be required for everything, but I didn't want to be that guy to win by complaining). It was really annoying cause I didn't know how to play since I didn't know what those cards did and they all looked the same to me. And two Odd-Eyes players beat me but the only reason why they could was No. 11 Big Eye which I could never acquire. However I did improve my deck since then. Actually I got a few Red-Eyes cards right there after the tournament. And I also bought boosters of Invasion Vengeance for a bit more support. I didn't use any links though and that really held me back. Actually I still don't have any links and I don't intend to acquire any. I am not going to compete again until we get some competent Red-Eyes support that will make the deck relevant again. I just don't like the state of the game. I'm just not having fun with it anymore and I don't like changing decks like socks.
Do people still think the pot of greed meme is funny? Especially on this channel where there is one every video? Or are they just obligatory likes for using the name Pot of Greed?
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 There are phases to memes. When they are overused and turn stale, that's just a part of their life cycle, wherein they go through metamorphosis, much like a catapillar. The form of entertainment had from it changes.
Hollow Hope I tried using mind break to break its mind so magic scientist can summon thousand eyes restrict absorb blue eyes white dragon and use burst stream of destruction to destroy jelly bean man and use jelly bean mans effect which doesn't exist to summon Yata-garasu by destroying thousand eyes restrict and then threaten to ftk pot of greed if they didn't tell me what they did. It didn't work.
I really got into Yugioh back when a friend showed me Burning Abyss, before any of their cards were ever on the ban list, and fell in love with them and the game. After some of their cards got hit on the banlist, since I knew nothing about deck building I ended up with a bunch of other decks, my favorite of which was Yosenju. A little after links were first announced my friends and I stopped playing, but I'm getting back into the game now. I want to eventually go to a tournament and since I have some yosenjus lying around I thought why don't I update it, buy the cards, and build the deck. My line of thinking also was "No one is going to see this coming so it'll definitely do good." I started play testing it on YGOPro and, yeah, it sucks and I'd never win with it. Might still being it to a locals though, that could be fun.
I love six samurai. Always have and always will, but i understand why no one really plays them now a days. Maybe with the new link support we got more people will play em.
The new six-samurai lin is insane. I can definitely see them being a strong rogue with gateway and their link at 3(as in the OCG), and maybe even meta depending on the prevalence of handtraps in the metagame. The deck I think would be in a healthy place if gateway and their link are at 3 and firewall was banned(I can dream damnit.)
There is already a guy going to YCS's with them and getting some tops. And I am going to take them to a regionals soon. Also the link monster only seems good if you have 3 special summonable monsters in your opening hand. If you have that then it is ridiculous. If you only have 2 you should just go for Isolde.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 You can go isolde, grab a +1, then use her effect to special summon kizaru for another +1, then use your kizaru and isolde to make great general and use divine sword to search gateway. In short, you can use isolde to go into general for a bunch of advantage. as for topping YCS, I'd like a source on that. The only sixsam top I know of within the last 5 years was in august of this year in a nebraska regional using all the sweet warrior support that goukis used(a lot of that has been banned tho). Dude did win the thing tho, so I mean the deck definitely has potential, but gateway at 1 really hampers it.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 you dont need 3 special summonable monsters wtf, the new link makes so six sams have both a 1 card ftk and a 1 card rhongo, and even if you dont pull it off you can just use the combo of isolde into the link for some insane advantage and do whatever you want from there. Six sams will either become the next itineration of magicians doing some broken unbreakable boards or the next masterpeace turbo deck (but instead of masterpeace rhongo which is even better), either way gateway is getting banned hard.
As a new viewer and a very amateurish player, I really appreciate how dzeeff speaks to both the emotional aspect of dueling and having fun, while at the same time acknowledging and explaining some of the realities of competitive dueling: efficiency and strategy.
Really, the only reason why I continue to stand by my bois the Gravekeeper's is because that strategy is the most familiar to me. I don't have to spend multiple weeks learning and relearning and rerelearning twenty new cards from different base archetypes and what they do and how they chain together, along with however many I'm throwing into my extra deck, and instead inherently know what my deck does and what my main goals are. It's also one that conforms very well to my idea of a good deck; being that while it's not too terrible on its own, playing it in co-op, especially with a second Gravekeeper's deck rolling by its side, makes it more worth it. It's a support that can stand on its own in my eyes, though it is more than a little outdated. I could spend the time to learn, say, the Kozmo deck that I traded a friend for, but at the same time, I'm not a fast player. I don't see going through my deck in a single turn as something that should be praised or accepted in any archetype other than Exodia, which inherently has to. So playing a slower deck just appeals more to me on a playstyle level, a speed level, and a deck style level.
I love watching your videos like this because you give your own experiences, too. I love how you’ve been both a casual and competitive player and appeal to both sides. I don’t play anymore because I’m busy (and broke), but I still watch your videos every day because your experiences really draw me in. Thanks for all the content Doug!
I’m actually in a very similar situation to what dzeef was saying. I ONLY play altergeist at locals since my tournaments are very competitive and I feel it’s the best deck I have to stand a chance. It isn’t the best deck but I love it to pieces. Now, I have several pet decks that I WISH were competitive but I don’t want to risk falling on my face and dropping. For those interested, here are my current pet decks: Blue eyes, dark magician, abyss actor, and Ninjas.
I kinda wish Cyber dragons would get some representation in Duel Links. I don’t feel like the 2100 body and summoning condition are too strong or bad for the game compared to all that’s there, and they have a lot of the other cards there already. Maybe they could slide them in with XYZs when Zexal becomes a thing *shrug*
It depends. I don't PLAY YuGiOh but a lot of this logic applies to most competitive tournament format games like MTG or Bloodbowl. And I would tend to agree that if I drove 4 hours to an event, I probably would bring the best option I could, but it depends. Sometimes the enjoyment of playing a suboptimal deck/team overtakes your need to win, and you get lost in the madness of just playing the game. And that's not to say that being competitive isn't fun, too, just that I can totally see how bringing a not-even-rogue strategy to a full on competitive tournament is a load of fun.
With decks like these usually the worse they are the more fun they usually become to play. I really love having to find uses for cards with effects that are all over the place.
Absolutely true. I'm playing red-eyes with other drangon engines, i have fun with it but i know that in most scenarios against meta decks, they have the upper hand. I don't think the deck is bad, but it's really limited what it could do in a match, because usually there is only one way to go with these kind of decks, and if your opponent had a good response to that, your deck dies. Meta decks usually have more then one good response to any move you make. And the other side is that these tier 2 or lower decks usually punish you hard for each mistake you make.
On your point about travel time to a regional: I agree. Your right that a person who has less travel time can more easily bring a risky strategy, cause they dont have to worry as much on travel time. I know I'm likely still the exception reguarding this, rather than the rule, but back when I played, I treated most regionals similar to just a locals.i wasnt there to win, but rather just have a fun day out. Still gave me a chance to interact with people I rarely saw, and learn new stats. I still tried to play to the best of my ability, (never got an invite, but one time only missed out on it due to a tiebreaker from first and second) but I never was overly worried about making it either. Of I had to travel 3-4 hours, that would be a much different story.
I play most of my favorite decks: Here's my top 5 favorite decks of all time: 1. Blue-Eyes 2. Red-Eyes 3. Elemental Heroes (this is the only deck on my list I don't have sadly, I'm gonna be trying to get my hands on the deck soon though) 4. Dark Magicians 5. Cyber Dragons
Honestly I’m glad no one plays my favorite decks. When I was younger I used to hope that someday there would be a new line of support and Performapals would be busted and a meta deck. Fast forward to BOSH and I got just what I asked for... then came the emergency ban list and Monkeyboard was hit and I was heartbroken. Then came the regular banlist and Skullcrobat was hit too and now Monkeyboard was gone. I was further heartbroken. While neither of them were my favorite Performapal in my pure variant(that title still goes to Elephammer I love that card) I loved playing them they gave the deck so much more otk potential and even at a local level I was clobbering my friends more than ever. Those were the good old days. So please don’t wish for your favorite cards to get more support and be busted bc you just might get it and then you’ll have to deal with the heartbreak of losing a part of your favorite deck when it gets hit
I was kinda discouraged of taking Spyral to YCS Pasadena. But when I thought about it, it’s the only deck I have atm and I gotta make due with what I have. Over time, I’ve seen more and more Spyral decks topping events and that gave me the boost to decide to play Spyral. The deck is very good!, just super underrepresented. Amazing video Doug 👌
It's cool to hear guys like you even have fun decks to play on the side. I had a spellcaster deck my friend helped me with that ran Village, Decree, Chaos engine, Lightsworn engine, and even a few Gravekeepers, and it was MY deck basically. I don't personally care if people play it, but man power creeps a bitch.
This is why for any competetive game I like building my preferences by watching the pros. If I start looking a rougue or straight up bad strategy through watching the top teaches, I know that I actually like it enough to want to play it past it's performance problems.
I've been out of the Yugioh loop for a while - the last deck I really worked at constructing, learning, and playing was a Blackwings deck and I do have to say it is discouraging, as a player considering coming back in, that the thing I had the most experience with isn't considered good and I might have to start from almost below scratch. The Dinosaurs deck you mentioned in this vid and your last sounds interesting though so I might look into that more.
About that money investment thing, i remember exacrly how i got my first yugioh cards a few years ago. It was the blue eyes deck from the legendary deck box that didnt exist at that point anymore, but i really really wanted it. In the end i got it for 30€ and was super happy. Also for the next months, all my new cards came from just boosters. If i could tell my past me how he should actually build his deck, i would absolutely and i would have been so much better at the game while actually even paying far less.
I recently started getting back into the physical card game and ended up getting two decks I like thematically, both budget. One is krawler, a casual control deck, that thrives if the opponent doesn't read their effects. It may win a couple of games against actually good and ok decks, but it is just terrible in perspective and I couldn't imagine playing it outside of locals. The other deck I got is Zefra. A basic version with the mandatory good Zefras, Darkwyrm engine, and Chronograph in addition to the basic Extradeck cards. It is definitely not the best deck or even meta, but it is probably one of the better rouge strategies out there (somewhat on the level of dinos I guess), as it can put out multiple negates going first together with the very high consistency of the main archetype and the engines. The only downside is probably that the combos are somewhat hard to learn at first. Seeing how Zefra may have some tournament success with the newly discovered ftk has me hyped (+it doesn't use Firewall) and I may even get the final pieces for it if Summon Sorc stays legal in the TCG (sadly I live in Europe and cannot play it now).
Actually rouge strategies are the best to bring to tournaments, as long as you can make them consistent and powerful enough. The problem is sometimes they simply can't be made powerful (like Red-Eyes Fusion creating a wall to limit players from summoning anything else), and sometimes Konami hasn't released cards in the TCG (Like the 16/20 Vrains 2 monsters...we still don't have Needlefiber and barely got Cherubini from Vrains 1 18 months ago). Blue-Eyes was actually pretty good as all you had to do was summon 2 level 8 monsters and you won the game (to summon Dark Matter...easy to do with Dangers, Barbaros, etc), but cards get banned and these rouge decks get worse (Blue-Eyes now has to use the level 5 synchro Ib to search the Guardragon Spell/monster to start everything...rather than 2 level 8's, that's a level 4 and level 1 tuner...a drop in consistency. 2+ level 1 tuners w/o level 4's and two level 4's w/o tuners are DEAD hands, plus the standard Blue-Eyes tend to be dead draws too.)
Junk Doppel Synchrons (Rip in MR4), Rank Up Sharks (Also Rip MR4), And Black Luster Soldier OTK are some of my favorites and of the 3 Sharks are the least played. Basically unheard of
I do wish there were more risk takers that can bounce ideas off each other with lesser decks. It's really neat when someone discovers a card that has an awesome synergy with the deck that brings it up a notch, while making you go "wait, this card can do what!?!"
I bought the nostalgia bait Red-Eyes deck when it was becoming a thing, mostly because I loved their artwork and I wanted them for nostalgia/collection’s sake. I regret nothing.
Cyber Dragon is rogue and underdog, but I love them to death and they can be decently successful. They are a stand in until Infinity Chasers and whatever new meta comes about. Nachster is spicy new card coming in Duel Power tho, and maybe pick up Impermeance. I have fully accepted to be a sole CyDra player in my locals. That just means I don't (usually) have to worry about Megafleet and Fortress Dragon. Several people in my locals have gotten invites and usually play meta decks, so I gauge my potential performance in a regional based on my performance at my local. Have not yet topped, so I continue to pick up staples like Ash, Ogre, Belle, Droll, Evenly (and so on) until I am able to top. If I can top at my local with a deck, I'd consider going to a regional with that deck. However, I fully understand that some decks are meta and others aren't.
Impcamtations could use More support honestly! Maybe a ritual Spell that summons from the deck, and banishes itself from grave to summon a ritual from hand on opponent’s turn, using only impcamtation monsters
1000% agree on the Pet deck thing I have played my beloved burning abyss for years and it will honestly always be my main deck But every once in a while at my locals I enjoy breaking out my Harpies (original deck where I wasn’t just throwing cards that looked cool in ) And this weekend I’m gonna break out the toon deck I built my fiancé a while back for the Lols
ANSWER: Because your favorite archetype back then is no longer at its prime and is weak, slow, inconsistent and doesnt hold up to the tournaments power creep.
A friend of mine swapped Goukis out for them in a meme deck, less consistent but still managed to get a Firewall Unicorn Extra Link, got murdered by the list tho lmao
So I have a question and I don’t know if it’s a stupid or not but I’m having the same problem that you are talking about in this video Do you think like for example I want to play something I haven’t tried before and like you said but I don’t know if it’s I feel in my heart that I should try cyber dragon’s but then I also feel like there’s some low decks that I feel I want to play do you think I should go with the lower decks that I haven’t tried before
Interesting idea: Synchros whose summoning requirement is and I quote ! tuner + 1+ other monsters. This would be a slight boost in consistency since having multiple tuners isn't a death sentence.
I like to play a galaxy photon deck. pretty fun and able to set a decent board of hope harbinger and cyberdragon infinity pretty consistently. Thats just not good enough unfortunately
This is very true I got back into yugioh at the start of Zoo format I really didn’t know what deck to make so I made gadgets and let me tell you holy cow the way I built them (Poorly) I was losing every week at locals then I decided to make a lightsworn deck with the plants and such and it was pretty good especially when grass was at one. the Dino structure deck came out around that time so I played around with that but it really didn’t get to good until overtex was released Anyway moral of the story if you want to be competitive in yugioh and you buy & play a abjectly bad deck you cant complain because their are cheaper and better options out there
I don't see Generaiders played very often. I play them, but I don't see them at all anywhere. I don't play tournament, so that may be a reason, but even when they were released in Mystic Fighters everybody cared more about Dragonmaids and Mathmechs. I love my Generaiders. Very much.
I love my madolches, but it just isn't unfair enough to really compete. At least with things like the new puddingcesseour we could maybe engine out queen in other decks.
I’m bringing back my OG deck with high defense low level stall deck with legendary fisherman. Man I miss the days when duels were simple. Pendulums and xyz Simmons confuse people like me old school guys who have played since day one but haven’t played since like 2009.
My favorite deck is Predaplants. I do feel bad that the only reason Verte sees play is because of Dragun of Red-Eyes, because he's really good in his archetype.
My favorite is Elementsaber, still love basicly summoning two monsters, 1 destroys all monsters, the other all spells/traps, than hitting for 4k for each
Funny enough I just finished watching an OCG all-female tournament where one competitor ran a Cyber Dragon deck, but it wasn't a highly competitive. It was more or less to showcase that new legendary duelist pack(still was a fun watch just to showcase the female demographic of this game).
Seriously? Nobody plays my beloved Sky Strikers? What a shame... Competitive players love their meta decks just as much as casual players love their rogue decks, and even more.
I took my D/D/D deck to YCS 200 simply because it's my favorite deck and because I was going with a bunch of friends and none of us were planning on winning. Funny enough before I had to leave early I actually went 3-3 and one of the people I beat who was playing a slightly meta deck was actually really pissed off because they lost to D/D/D. Even on YGOPRO sometimes when I beat a meta deck, they'll say something in chat along the lines of "I can't believe I'm losing to this low tier garbage"
D/D/D is one of the most consistent Decks out there. Play your cards right, and you can completely rebuild your field literally the turn after your opponent cleared it
I like the counter fairies at the beginning. Excellent example of a good deck that can't compete in the meta. Really good if* it goes first and gets 3 negates Ariadne, Artemis, and ties...6 crads. That means desires, I hate that card.
i am really curious as to what happens to blue-eyes and red-eyes when guardragon links get released in savage strike in tcg. those links are insane and gives the decks insane boards they couldn't do before. sadly they need needlefiber to work more better.
It is ironic really. I looked through his advise videos to get a better grasp at how to improve my counter fairy deck. Then what is the first image I see, the Guiding Ariadne. And suddendly I have secend thoughts.
Can you please make a video about madolche? There's a new card coming for the archetype and I'd love to hear your opinion. Maybe a "Why nobody plays" video or how to make a strong deck with it that can duel anything decently or great.
Because Gouki is a link spam deck that with the exception of a single boss monster (who is decent, but inferior) has crappy Link monsters and you are better off putting in Knightmares and other good stuff to link in it than building a consistent way of putting Giant Ogre in the field. All I wanted was a wrestling archetype, what I got was a summoning method spam. Who is powerful, but it's not really something I enjoy doing.
My favorite deck(s) are Danger!Blue-Eyes and Phantasm Spirals, but I know why they're not played because they simply aren't good enough for most things, and can't always make their normal plays if they don't draw the right opening hand.
Can I get some Archetype Suggestions? I like stuff like: Red-Eyes, Blue-Eyes, Stardust Dragon, Black Rose Dragon, Earthbound Immortals, as well as Fusion/Synchro Heavy decks. What are some good, more Competitive-Adept Archetypes/Decks I might like based on that?
Buster blader is my deck of choice, but I understand why it’s not played. Power output is like over 9000... consistency though? Needs some help on that. Also has some obvious weaknesses that are only solved by extra deck support.
Just wondering as a fellow spirit lover. Do you think spirits could be good in duel links, and what would they need to release to make them good/viable?
Im still sad because i made a Predaplant Red-Eyes deck on YGOpro and i really liked it, it was decent for casual play, i like all the cards, and it was fun. And then i was like "Okay i'll buy this next :) Just a fun little casua-O H MY GOODNESS RED EYES FUSION IS 20 DOLLARS OH MY GOD BABY DRAGON'S 22 OH MY GOD GEARFRIED IS 18 OH MY GO-"
Always loved Dragunity and crystal beasts xD yeah none of them compare although dragunity is still 1000 Times more viable then my crystal beasts (don't have rainbow bridge and crystal bonds)
I play a Red-Eyes deck that I think I have found the 'secret sauce', whatever you say I'm pretty confident. Not saying you're wrong, I see what you mean, that so many tournaments play so many cards that can easily shoot down a strategy like THAT. I have raged at Lyrisic (or HOWEVER you spell them) before. I have had people at the tournament I go to try to urge me to play Drytron or Numeron, *but here's the reason why we people REALLY want to play these different archetypes* Its different, its creative and new. I play Red-eyes cuz I'm sick of seeing DPE (Destroy Phoenix Enforcer) or Verte, so I play Red-Eyes for the "oh, this is new, what's he doing?" some surprise and even a lot of fun. Thats why we do these decks.
"Its different, its creative, its new" If this truly was the reason people don't play red eyes in tournaments, then why exactly does it seem like we get a new meta deck every few months or so?
