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LOL He right... a bunch of sales people, project managers, customer service lol shttttttt call center managers talking about it's so cool to be in tech... and I'm like bruhhh where's the developers and engineers...
What’s up Joe 💪🏽 and it’s true. Whenever I go to conferences there’s barely any engineers. There’s also a lot of unemployed or people who aren’t in tech there as well.
I rarely hear a SWE say they work in “tech”. In fact, when I hear someone say they work in tech, I automatically think negatively because the word is so watered down. Like bro tell me what you do lmao
Absolutely. Watered down is the right term. Or they say IT.......I qhukin' hate it and I correct them on the spot! Software engineer! IT can be anything! Not trying to be an engineering snob but I let em' know!
I’m a lead backend engineer (web), and I’ve run into many people using tech babble at me before knowing my role… Seems like a lot of people just want to come off as smart or cool… I put in a lot of work to get where I am and you’d never know I’m an engineer
Im a infrastructure, and network engineer. We are most definitely tech and we don't code. There are however sales people talking about being in tech and I do agree, they are in fact tech adjacent.
I get what he's saying and I do agree with him because when you look at the number of Tech Industry layoffs most of they layoffs were in non-technical roles like Recruiting, Marketing, or Sales. Yes, those people work in Tech, but they are in non-technical roles. I work at a Data Center Technician, and I've been working to get more people to apply to these roles because they are technical, especially when diagnosing and fixing servers running AI software.
@@remylauren7604 I suggest studying the objectives from the CompTIA A+ certification because you need to know how a computer and a network works. You also need good computer troubleshooting skills.
I'm not technical yet and I agree with Clyde 1000%. I went through Careerist bootcamp and it was a waste of money. Most of the people promoting bootcamps have not gone through it themselves and/or have tech (or adjacent) jobs already. And they amass a big following promoting the glamorous side of tech while getting a kickback from their followers signing up for bootcamps they themselves haven't taken!
The romanticization of being in tech has some people losing their minds just to say they work in tech. While I wish for all of my melanated people to do well, there are so many other careers that can be just as rewarding as doing something technical. But I notice the ones that are most disgruntle about opinions slanted towards being technical and doing the hard work get the most hate. When you provide this light fluffy non-challenging roadmap, those post and people get the most engagement.
He really lost me when he started saying coders can just do QA, UX, etc by themselves. There is a well known history of engineers being overworked and expected to deliver every project before the deadlines. Going “lean” can make short term business sense, but it doesn’t work in the long term. You just end up with a workforce of people who do it all and still get paid the same salary.
I was an engineer leading a team of software testers and my job was to “break” the software before it reached the production database. We never took what the developers said as the gospel truth because they’d surely have their bias, based on the fact that they did the coding, etc. It’s never a great idea to entrust the software testing portion to the developers.
I think the problem is some people have only worked at a certain level. If your app has millions of paying users, you can’t just push shit out there. There are SLAs that need to be met, compliance, security concerns, observability, etc. engineers are the worse for QA and UX (unless they are the intended users). Tbh, I don’t see the benefit of caring “who’s in tech” or not, it’s the sane as any other industry.
IMO, If you work in a company in the that develops software/hardware, you work in tech, regardless of role/position. This can be traditional software companies like google, Microsoft, Netflix to fintech companies like PayPal, sofi, to hardware companies like nvidia, intel, etc to cybersecurity companies like crowdstrike, sentinelone, etc.
Sure I get it, that’s fair. Let’s refine it a bit then. If you work in a company that develops software/hardware AND your position plays a role in that process, you work in tech eg R&D, HR, IT, Infosec, Risk, Compliance, Finance, Legal, etc
@@0xIAMROOT ehhhh kind of in the industry but their job is not a technical job. A non technical tech job is different from a non technical job at a tech company
If you don't have tech responsibilities, then you work for a tech company. If you tell me you're in tech, I'm asking what you do. I've seen some awful cut and paste resumes that tech pm did not catch. If you've been in it for some time, you know when they bs. Someone with three years experience can tell if you're lying.
With anything you must do the work for sustainability. i have real responsibilities til the death of me. Aint no scamming over here. I appreciate your content man. Consistently real. ✊🏾
I am indeed more passionate in network engineering than coding based on supply and demand. I have made some coding projects however the way I started, the network was absolutely most imperative outside applications
I've been a systems administrator for 6 years but when I look at tech influencers its mostly tech sales or tech recruiting. No one ever talks about Software engineering, network administration or cloud administration because the process of learning something that may take more than 1 year does not sell that well to the public.
this new wave of tech folks doesn't wanna put in the technical work like coding and scripting lmao I want to see more African American SWEs but I feel like the convo surrounding tech on black Twitter is always sales or something non-technical. No hate for non-tech tech roles I just think some ppl really do limit themselves from the beginning by thinking coding and scripting are too hard for them and they also wanna jump straight to 6 figures a year like man get on that help desk for a couple months lol
best place to start tbh if you're looking to get into a non-SWE role that's still technical. My wife did a 3 month help desk internship at the Home Depot while in the army, went full time into that role when she got out, and literally, 1 week into the job full-time she got a govtech sys admin role offer but she's glad she got that help desk experience even if it was short@@TechTualChatter
Or they'll say stuff like, "soft skills are more important" and other reasons to avoid the technical stuff. Don't get me wrong you want to develop interpersonal skills but they don't replace technical competence. That's the wrong message to send. We gotta take it more seriously if we want to be competitive.
I'm a dotnet developer and I had to stop meeting with my local tech meet up because I was a minority engineer in a minority group. I'm glad I wasn't the only one going through this.
@@TechTualChatter It was called BOT(Black Orlando Tech) I thought it would be a group of other black developers and engineers to network with. But there were more Project Managers and other tech adjacent people.
@@TechTualChatter I wanted to join a group with fellow black software developers and engineers. But I was stuck making small talk with project managers and "entrepreneurs" that looking for someone to work on there own apps.
I understand the football and the coach analogy. Without the players you would not have a game, and without coaches you would not have a strategic game. Along as the football players know and understand the rules of the game, they could realistically assimilate and form a plan on how to win the game, without coaches. Coaches are a supportive and leadership role, and the players are the performers (in this context).
The one thing that I forgot to mention is that a lot of the coaches used to be players ,similar to people who were technical and moved to non technical roles
I've worked with both non-tech PMs and technical PMs, and working with non-tech PMs has been, by miles, my worst experiences. You just end up giving constant instructions to someone who is supposed to lead you and has 2x your salary, and when the problems come, they don't have a clue what to do. I won't even get into the time wasting with unnecessary meetings and tickets management. Technical PMs usually have real experience and can see problems ahead of time, helping them make better decisions that benefits the whole team. When my time came to manage projects, I always knew what to do based on my previous tech PMs, and what NOT to do based on my previous non-tech PMs.
The amount of people who say they work in tech now is hilarious. You have HR people who work for tech companies saying they work in tech. I guess.. its such a buzzword now.
Soft skills will be the most important thing in the world going forward. If you can’t present and persuade you will be on the new welfare which will be reframed as universal basic income.
Bro, we stitch libraries to other libraries. All of the real coding has been done PhDs back in the 60s and 70s for us to pull down from a package manager. We just use the neat little API's provided to us. None of us can implement OAuth or Diffie-Hellman from scratch. Half of us can't even read assembly. Have a little humility. What the non-coders do and what we do is only differentiated by a GUI. And half our tools these days have GUIs anyway.
Speak for yourself…spend enough time coding you’ll find yourself inventing. doesn’t sound like you’ve been decades in…I believe in you…there is plenty to still be discovered.
@@madimakes I'm pretty close to two decades in this game. Show me the new database you invented. Or do you just use databases? Show me the new cryptographic algorithm you've invented. Or do you just use someone else's cryptographic algorithms. Show me the new image format you've invented. Or do you just use someone else's image compressions algorithm. Show me anything in your github a repo that doesn't have a package manager filled with other people's code.
For the football analogy, he shouldn’t have compared the “tech” influencers to coaches. Coaches are too crucial to the outcome of the game or project in the case of coding.
I’d love to be on with you too…especially as someone who just does work and hasn’t spent a lot of time trying to be recognized…I am sure there are more of us than people think. I mean black or not; I’ve seen popular “tech” folk of all backgrounds that don’t have the implementation experience but are very loud about the field…tbh most who are doing don’t have a lot of time to come up for air and advertise
I get what's he saying. The post may have been perceived a certain way. I believe the thought process is that the money makers are the applications whether it be mobile or web applications. That thought process holds truth but, there are highly technical people outside of the development space.
So glad that this is finally being talked about. It is embarrassing that there are so few black influencers talking about skills that pay the bills. Most of them are talking about diversity finessing your way to '6 figures'. It is like we can't produce the minds to do the real work so we are just hustling to the bag.
I get what the dude is saying, but the way that tweet looked, it looked like typical dev elitism. It's a good thing you brought up the topic and opened an opportunity for a further explanation.
@TechTualChatter Yeah, he did. I'm just glad that he got to expound upon it some more to make it clear. I, too, saw a lot of influencers trying to target black people and women in general, with the idea that you can make all this money in tech without putting in the technical work by buying courses.
There is elitism in every industry. Fact of the matter is that everything on a computer starts with code. There is no getting around this. Some of it you gotta eat.
@tedroscourt1205 You're right, you at least need to understand some basic concepts in order to actually talk to dev teams. That being said I know people on the ops side that do very little, if any code. The point is no matter what, just go for it, and don't be afraid of the more complicated skills. And don't let someone tell you you can't do something or you're not a part of something. But you only earn what you worked for.
I hate this thought that these roles can all be done by the devs. These roles developed because of disfunction when devs used to try to do it all. I guess we just have to keep re-learning the same lessons.
I understand his points and they are valid. I personally think that if you work within a technical company dealing with a technical product, SaaS, hardware, etc. then that person can say they work in the tech space. I don’t think you need to be technical to hold value or seniority over another role. In some situations, a PM for example, can be just as important as an engineer on a project.
If you want more ppl be engineers, give them free coding training and don’t charge them. Start a RU-vid channel and start with python and make it interactive. Or shut up and code while we technical managers and technical analyst tell you how to perform more efficiently 😂😂💀
I agree with you about AI coming for coders. Been a software engineer for 27 yrs and I tell people all the time that AI will reduce the field by 30% AT LEAST in 10 yrs. I say this because AI reduces my work load by up to 75 % on a great day and at least 20% on a mediocre day.
Imma get to the rest of this but 10:15…I think you missed what he was saying…game can come down to coaches…but I bet those coaches have also played the game
The scammers are obvious. If you can’t see who’s scamming good luck in life in general. You don’t have to be in a coding job to be in tech. Tech is an industry. This is stupid. Have y’all spoken to an engineer? Most of them can’t string together a sentence or do anything other than code lmao. That why sales engineers are so highly paid and don’t require comp sci degrees. Stop chasing prestige and just go for the money. Who cares if someone thinks you’re “really in tech”. My psych degree and lil online coursera course got me 250k OTE
I think these people are specifically referring to the industry ...not necessarily claiming to be in technical roles, but the technology INDUSTRY. Many already know they are in non-technical positions in the technology industry... why is this even a discussion? There will always be a discrepency in STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) in general. Many people shy away from the critical thinking and analytical nature of these roles and still many people work adjacent to those with these skills in non-technical/analytical roles. You have to be egotistic, narcissistic, and/or dense to want to strip people of being able to claim they work in an industry just because they don't have specific skill sets. IMHO
The idea of non-technical people in tech gets worse in academia. Staying with the awesome comparison in this video, the best coaches were once great players. In tech you can get real respect of the teams by being technical and good at non-technical aspects of leading.
But imagine a coach becoming a coach without being a player first. I think that's his point. There's too many coaches in tech period who never been a player. People are becoming influencers with 1 year experience and scamming people out of money, charging them for mentorship, etc. Its a hustle, period. I respect the hustle, but its hurting people coming in.
Is this a low key shot at black is the new tech guy? I love this episode. But I'm with y'all the misguiding in Tech is real. Everybody wanna be an influencer, but not get their hands dirty.
@@muzikjay no biggie most of the times when I’m not the main focal point I’m either reverting back to notes or something pertinent to the guest on the show. Which I why i typically have it on the active speaker
Honestly, get to the 💼 with whatever role in the tech industry that interests you. Not everyone is wired to be a rapper/singer who performs in front of crowds, etc. Maybe you’re better at being an audio engineer, or better at being a ghostwriter or managing a record label. Whatever shoe fits, wear it. ✌️🦾
