WHY PAGAN MIN IS SUCH A HARD VILLAIN TO HATE! 

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Compared to the Golden Path leaders, it's no wonder he is so liked. At least he's got charisma.

We need a "What If" Far Cry game where you play as Ajay after he joins Pagan Min. I will literally never ask for another Far Cry game again if we get that.

To be fair, the captain didn’t properly communicate what happened, leading Pagan to believe they just open fired for the smallest infraction.

Pagan was ultimately right, the Golden Path's plans for the future are worse than the current status quo. So many, including me, wished that FC4 had a DLC where we join the Royal Army and destroy the last remnants of the Golden Path.

Small correction: Pagan min is a King and Kyrat is a Kingdom, so it would make him an Absolutist Monarch ruling with an Iron fist instead of a dictator with a Dictatorship.

Man imagine all the good changes Ajay would’ve made since Pagan definitely would’ve given him Kyrat at the end of the secret ending.

i liked the way the wiki described pagan min as 'a bored god with little else to do than toy with his kingdom'

Remember when Far Cry was an action game about mutants on a hidden island protected by mercenaries hired by a mad scientist wanting to create the perfect soldiers? And the gameplay was hard as heck with mercenaries being equivalent to bots in Rainbow Six Siege, making it a weird hybrid between tactical shooter and classic 90's shooter? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Pagans initial reaction to killing the guards pretty understandable they killed everyone on the bus barring Ajay as far is Mins aware they JUST turned the man he saw as a son and had been waiting to see for like 20 years into swiss, and the thing about Far Cry 4 story Pagan doesn't BS Ajay he doesn't lead him on and lie to him, the golden path leaders try to win you over going on like Ajay is the messiah cause of his father, and then the very second Kyrat is free and under their control they toss Ajay aside like garbage for their own dictatorship plans where as Pagan says it outright he pulled you off the bus to make you his successor the best ending for both Ajay and Kyrat is to side with Pagan

I always liked how this game doesnt have Good guys VS Bad guys. Pagan Min is the legitimate ruler of the Kingdom of Kyrat. He's authoritarian, despotic and a bit psychotic, yes, but I can hardly call him the bad guy when compared to the Golden Path. Then you have the Golden Path, who do use slaves and the drug trade and launch terrorist attacks (due to them attacking the legitimate ruler and royal army) and do not shy away from executing civilians. Both sides are doing the same horrid things they accuse the other of doing. I'd say Pagan is the best option, as he is seemingly trying to modernize and improve Kyrat which is practically centuries behind in development and living standards. The Golden Path is actively trying to reverse that and no matter which side you pick it's either a religious dictatorship under a child figurehead that executes hundreds of civilians, OR, an authoritarian dictatorship that uses child slavery to force them in to drug fields turning Kyrat into a narco state. Neither side caring about Ajay, just using him as a figurehead during the civil war due his father starting it. Atleast Pagan actually cares about you and even intends to hand Kyrat over to you. (Which is a good idea, rebels would rally behind Ajay due to his father, and loyalists would follow him since he's now been legitimized as King)

The others treat you like a tool, Pagan treats you like family the entire game even when you’re actively killing his people. This game needed a proper playthrough where you side with Pagan. Or at the end when we see how horrible the opposition is, Ajay becomes Pagan Min. Just letting the terrorists win doesnt feel satisfying. There is no happy ending except if we the players had agency to make our own decision.

He's technically your step-dad! At the beginning he said he wanted the bus to be stopped, not shot up. He punished the soldier greatly for nearly killing you, he's overall friendly, probably only put a bag over your head so you couldn't know where you were going, offered you a delicious Crab Rangoon dinner, sure he tortured a guy but that was a Golden Path member trying to help overthrow him and his kingdom of course he'd want answers, and he even helped you scatter your mothers ashes. He's also a very funny and charismatic guy

didn't ubisoft say that the secret pagan ending was the canon ending ? shame they made siding with him a couple cutscenes instead of a whole campaign.

The one time that they should have let us side with the “villain”.

Best line is when min is talking about having a suit made for you and talks about how you just put meat in your pockets then orders the the tailor to include special meat pockets in your suit.

Don't forget in the past Pagan was working together eith Mogan Ghale, Ajay's father. And when he had the chance, he killed the King back then and flux took the throne himself and proclaimed to be King then. I liked Sabal and Amita in the beginning. But little by little they showed their colors. Plus with Far Cry 4 Ubisoft started a series of Far Cry games with no good endings.

Aside from the fact he can villain with both drama and style the whole game, as well as the fact that he’s legitimately right the whole time. What I like most is that never once does lie to the player, not once. Unlike the golden path who regularly lie to AJ in order to guilt and exploit him for their own plans, pagin min doesn’t. Hell you can literally beat the whole game in less then 30 minutes if you listen to him and enjoy the crab rangoon. He ultimately wants the same thing as AJ, to bury his mother in the shrine she wanted her ashes taken to. It’s only due to the golden paths interference that things go wrong throughout the entire game.

In an alternate universe, there was a dlc/stand alone game where you can side with Pagan Min and have fun with Uncle Min while wiping out the Golden Path.

In my Canon, I befriended Pagan and adopted him as a father figure, ruling his lands as Crown Prince. Because I just ate the crab rangoons and waited

the man gave me crab rangoon. i physically can't hate anyone who gives me free crab rangoon.

Makes me want a spin off where you join Pagan and rise to be the leader of the country

Hmm super confused, having played this game, I don’t remember most of this. I had a fun time hanging out with Paegan, we delivered my mom’s ashes, and took over the country. Pretty easy game. That Crab Rangoon was delicious.

I can tell you why, because when a million other companies wanted to recreate a handsome jack-esque character, pagan min was one of the few that was able to do it. There, that's the just of it, you're welcome

Bro just needs a friend...or a SON. simp "Blood is Thicker than Water" vs. Chad "The Blood of the Covenant is Thicker than the Water of the Womb" Pagan, despite KNOWING you are the son of the Golden Path resistance leader, had NO BEEF with you. It just goes to show HE is the one extending olive branches, but the Golden Path are the ones slapping those away. So, Pagan acts accordingly. But, if you want to be cynical, the only reason he's nice to you is not only because of you being the son of the woman he loved, but because if you take his side, it delegitimizes the Golden Path if the old leader's own son refuses to continue the conflict.

If Pagan had a RU-vid Account. He would love this video a lot.

because he's the reason why this game's intro goes so hard

Honestly, the reason I thank people like Pagan Min is because he is right about the Golden Path.

Considering what the Golden Path does, regardless of which leader you side with, Pagan Min seems like the good guy.

Honestly...this would be a game where I'd take the diplomatic approach over the guns blazing approach. You being the former son of the leader of the Golden Path movement gives you a LOT of sway in peoples' opinions. Sadly, this is not an RPG, but an FPS.

4:09 He is knew that Ajay was in the bus, so order it to stop it and bring Ajay to him. That’s why he was so mad about shouting

Dude like “MY ADOPTIVE SON IS BACK?!?! OH BOY, ONCE HE HERE WE GOING TO DO LOT OF THING TOGETHER”

I liked how the golden path became fractured due to how rebellions and uprisings often have many leaders who would be absolutely against each other irl. Even if they remove the dictator a new one from the remnants of the old could rise after the rebels have a civil war. In the books/movies of The Hunger Games at the end Katniss killed District 13's leader as she would pretty much become a new snow with a new hunger games.

Pagan probably figured Ajay's mom told Ajay about Pagan, hence why he expected Ajay to sit and wait for him. And then in a realistic scenario if the player was in his shoes, more than likely would have sat and waited as well. Pagan was trying to be a father, whereas the Golden Path used him as a tool for their destruction.

also you had the background of Ishwari wrong. Mohan was a former Royal Army soldier, but after the first Kyrati civil war, he created the Golden Path - the name from one of Ishwari's dreams of her and Mohan on a golden path. Pagan arrived from Hong Kong as a triad, and worked with Mohan to install a distant relative of the former royal family but Pagan murdered the relative and took the throne for himself. Mohan went to war against Pagan and Ishwari wanted to help so he sent her with Ajay to spy on Pagan. She and Pagan fell in love and had a child, and he took Ajay as a son. Mohan was enraged, so he killed Lakshmani, and then tried killing Ishwari and Ajay. She killed Mohan in self-defense then fled because she could have been discovered to originally be a spy and destroy her life with Pagan, or be assassinated by the Golden Path. Her fleeing to the US was to protect Ajay.

Pagan Min was the good guy. All the golden path cared about was their own power and wealth.

He's your enemy (maybe). You're not his. Excellent dissertation.

Regarding the bus shootout, you dont assume everyone to be hostile until they present opportunity, capability and intent. There is a difference between civilian and combatant, and the bus driver was a combatant. The guards were right to shoot the driver after he attacked. But anyway, one who doesn't attack can't be harmed. This is drilled into your head throughout military training. at least it was when I was in.

Man this kinda makes me wish there was another ending where you can side with Pagan at the very end. Like imagine if the meeting at the end of the game let the player decide that the remaining Golden Path ruler is worse than Pagan and turning on them. Would have been neat.

You blew my mind. I never thought about the bus section like that before. By the end of the game, we see why The Golden Path are...not quite what they seem (small wonder given the leaders themselves even fight each other) and you pointing out they are the reason Ajay nearly perishes in the bus, as well as the people that actually do perish there thanks to them, really makes one think. I found Pagan Min an entertaining villain, but over the years, I progressively began to like him the more I learn about him and how different he is from other FarCry villains, let alone villains in general, largely thanks to his relationship with Ajay's mother. You wouldn't think something so simple would make such a fascinating villain, yet here we are.

I thought the two rebels in the bus were simply running away rather than opening fire. But the reason why he violently kills the guard at the beginning is because he was afraid that he accidentally murdered his beloved stepson.

I really liked Farcry 4... that said, I couldn't beat it. Not because I lost interest so much as I did not like any of the options the game provided. I legit just wanted to leave and not help anyone when you reach the choice moment between Sabal and Amita, and in a way by just turning the game off and stop playing, I did. lol

IMO the soldiers in the intro didn’t really do the right thing because I’m pretty sure they knew not to shoot everyone and get ajay off the bus but started to shoot everyone once the driver and golden path members got out and started shooting them.

As a military dictator king, Pagan was deeply balanced and aware of the extremism in his region. His measures to control it were calculated and regulated. He shows love for a child of his lost love and deepest enemy (Mohan). And he does his best to shield him from the turbulent politics and violence of his small rogue nation state. All to allow Ajay spread Ishwari’s ashes respectfully. He’s without question the only Far Cry villain that isn’t actually evil. Pagan is just a deeply somber pragmatic leader of a chaotic region doing his best to keep it all together.

not gonna lie. from the 3 different paths Farcry 4 can go through. Pagan's path is the least bad one. With Amita you witness how the ruler of tevyat got replaced... but nothing about the regine really changed... there is a argument for it being even worse than it used to be. With Sabal you witness a crazed preacher cutting down anyone who disagrees with the simple idea of rejecting his religion. With Pagan... atleast you have the chance to stop a small rebelion from becoming a large national disaster.

Farcry 4 has always been my favorite farcry game, and i couldn't tell why. Maybe it is because pagan min

I think every Far Cry villain had something in them that is good and maybe even admirable. Except for Vaas... he was just some crazy a**hole. Still... he was likeable. Joseph Seed is my favorite.

I enjoyed Pagan for his humor and charisma when talking to AJ via radio

Pagan Min is hard to hate because he loves you, and even as you kill his generals, dismantle his army and destroy his kingdom, he still love you. And it's really hard to hate back someone who *unconditionally* loves you. And it doesn't help that, in the end, you realize you only truly had to pick between two dictators, who used you to meet their goal and are now ready to discard you now that your usefulness is passed. It's really a bitter ending, because of I were to pick a dictator, I would've at least picked one who loves me.

Pagan Min would have been as loved a villain as Vaas if he was in the game for even a fraction of the time

Pagan Min is, was and always will be my favourite video game villain of all time.

His leadership is literally the second best for Kyrat, Ajay being the best once he's given the reigns.

Quick answer: Because he's charismatic and everyone else is way worse than him.

You were trying to combine both of Paul's names, saying De Paul instead of De Pleur. It was cute 😆

If only they made a DLC where you side with pagan

The game is essentially a "Fatherhood Simulator" Where you play through the game rebelling against your dad only for your dad to do nothing but love you back regardless of what you do. Some people need this game, just to know how it feels to have a dad.

I love how realistic the game is, never knew this povs till you explained it. Never even noticed how the beginning was actually so realistic to a real scenario us

Actually if you speak hindi you'll know the people in the bus provide the appropriate documents to pass through and the guard just keeps saying 'go f*ck yourself'. Which, yes, is him doing his job right because he was supposed to stop the bus. But he did kinda instigate the conflict. The people in the back of the bus try to flee, not fight.

Pagan is my favorite "Villain" of the farcry series

Thus was my favorite far cry entry in the entire series. Such a mystical and action packed campaign. Beautiful map and fun new weapons as well. Aged like fine wine.

How could you have made this comprehensive video about him without having mentioned or presumably not having played his amazing DLC in Far Cry 6? It really goes deep into his mind and his past.

because compared to the golden path leaders hes practically a hero and its our fault it got bad. you know its bad that the best ending for the game is rather you not leaving the dining hall or killing both of the leaders but leaving min alive.

I played this game a very long time ago not very far I to it as it wasn't mine. But I am very interested how you protrade him. You made him very interesting and gave us alot to think about.

i always love villains who keep their word and are honorable

Just like Handsome Jack, Pagan Min is the true "good guy" in a story about murderous lunatics. I wish they gave us a mode for us to join Pagan to fight the Golden Path.

happy i stumbled upon your channel

I love this game so much but I really wish It was longer :( I really wanted more from it than just sitting in the room for a bit waiting. I wanted to actually fight, I wanted to take outposts, I wanted to do all that. But hey hopefully pagan min handled that after I got to go home 🤷🏻 Hope the golden path turned red

how tf u only got 712 subs nah u need more this vidis so good

Aside from the jump cuts the video is amazing

Really wished we got the canceled (or was it cut?). The Pagan Min path after waiting for him. Siding with him and taking down the Golden Path

Farcry 4 was the fist game in the franchise I played, it'll always have a special place in my heart.

There are a few things I want from the gaming industry: a true remaster of GTA 4 and a way to play on the side of Pagan.

His first on screen act of “villainy” was saving the Player from an insubordinate and incompetent soldier.

Ngl, I always believe Pagan is AJ's real father and with the secret ending my head canon is that after AJ placed the Ashes of his mom he joined Pagan in destroying Golden Path.

19:00 breh you ain’t sneaking that og halo wars 1 music behind me🔥🔥got a lil rush of childhood there

13:33 how did I immediately recognize Deference For Darkness in the background

I wish we had gotten something where we could play Ajay on the side of the Royal Army. That would have been great! Hell, while they make the missions for that they should explain Ajay has experience in the Green Berets.

There's a long time since i played this game, but i remember it also hinting that pagan also took care of ajay as a kid with ishwari, since mohan was to busy leading the golden path

Best secret ending in the series, I just wish there was one mission with Pagan and you fighting side by side

Honestly, just the fact that Min comes back to the dinner table after like 10-15 minutes when you're supposed to escape, triggering the secret ending, and that he does so unarmed and relaxed, shows the trust he has in Ajay. That scene on it's own tells us so much about Min it's kind of a crime you didn't talk about it more.

The story told by Pagan isn't exactly true, his brother dieries said otherwise, Pagan Min betrays him at first, with a coup.

Pretty sure you're reaching with the beginning. They new ajay was on the bus, shooting the bus knowingly you can kill the man you were ordered to capture alive was doing your job wrong.

20:33 - To be fair, Joseph Seed has shown being sympathetic and caring to the members of his family multiple times. Mostly after each member's death btw

fuckin love this game, i’ve only played 3-5 but this is my favorite game by far . brings me back to being 10 years old playing on my xbox i got for christmas

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Pagan has always been my favorite FarCry antagonist

I know Pagan Min is suppose to be a the main villain of the game but I don't think he does anything systemically bad. Yes people are tortured and killed in battle but you can say that about any of them. It was Sabal who began executing people. It was Amita who began kidnapping kids for labor. Yes Pagan stole gold but that's not executing or kidnapping.

12:40 Damn that line about Kanye and twitter from Pagan Min aged like wine 10 years after FC4 came out that when I recently did a replay of the game since I havent touched it in a decade I completely forgot that line existed and couldnt hold my laughter from it just coming out of left field.

12:30 my man (dictator) did not just bring up Kanye (and his Twitter specifically) over the radio in a fucking farcry game like it was nothing

“The lesser between the evils” There are no heroes in farcy 4, ajay is no better because he doesn’t protest Amita and Sabals choices. Despite pagan min being caring for ajay that doesn’t excuse the horrible acts he’s committed against people and his killing.

Hey idk if it’s just me but those two rebels that left through the back of the bus just seemed to run away instead of firing back.

He's really not, he stabbed a guy in the spine with a fork and then expected you to sit there and wait after making an incredibly threatening parting of "Enjoy the food, *I'll be right back."* Yeah, I'd book it out of there as well, and found it *incredibly* easy to hate him up until the point I sent him tumbling down the mountain in a flaming helicopter. I always think cults are crazy until i remember how even the most superficial charisma can make people drop to their knees in worship. Amita is by far the most evil, but I view Sabal and Min as the same.

Just scrolled over a few of your videos and you definitely deserve more subscribers

I would not be surprised if Amita was the first Castillo the way she turns Kyrat into Yara

I like that this game has no clear or mostly no clear good guys, it finds a grey area and leaves an confusing yet complex feeling. It is like real life, there is many cases of neither side being good like the germans vs the soviets in stalingrad as hitler was horrible but so was stalin

Pagan Min doesn't love Ajay. Pagan Min LOVES Ajay's Mother THROUGH Ajay. Ajay is The Thing he has of Her, and he would do anything to Protect it.. even Handing Over The Kingdom to him (Ajay). That was The Whole Point of/to The Confrontation/Secret Ending (which in My Head Canon, is The REAL Ending).. where He Leaves (with or without) you after you Return The Ashes. He wanted an Heir. Even if it wasn't his Blood. In The End.. I think Ajay's Mother still Loved Min. I think she was just Traumatized by The Whole Thing, and couldn't be around Him because he may have Reminded her of your Dead Sister. Which I undoubtedly think he understands.. but he had No One to Emotionally Hold on to. Which is what I think led to his Psychological Collapse. 😅 Switching gear.. The Thing about Father was, he was a Prophet. The Psychedelic Drugs inadvertently gave him The Gift of Foresight; and him being "Human" (American). He sought Out to save Humanity The Best/Only Way he knew how.. through Violence. In The End (The Post-Apocalyptic Sequel), he learned that he was Wrong (about The Violent Route).. but it was too Late. His Flock has all become too Comfortable to Resorting to Violence.. and his Actions had Even Taken The Life of his Son. So he is Left with Nothin' but Regret.

"should i stay or should i go"

This whole mess began because both sides of simultaneously heard that you had reentered the country after 20 years and both sides jumped to conclusions about the purpose of your visit.

I kind of wish there was more to the secret ending where you can actual wait in the room for Pagan Min to return.Imagine if that started a new path for the entire game ,but on Pagans side

Farcry 4 has always been my favorite farcry game.