Why People Prefer More Pain

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@adayah2933 3 месяца назад

**Ends with an annoying ad** PS I was slightly disconcerted by how many folks didn't notice that my comment was meant to be facetious. Of course I don't deny Derek the right to place sponsorship messages alongside his amazing content! However, doing so at the end of this particular video made me smile at the irony and I wanted to make you guys smile as well. I am glad for the majority of you who did - you are amazing. Cheers!

@hypnoticlizard9693 3 месяца назад

Or he knows that you wont watch the ad/its worth watching anyway so the video already ended. Sponsor got done dirty.

@gizanked 3 месяца назад

@@hypnoticlizard9693pretty sure this is a standard practice on his videos. I'm sure the sponsor knew about it before coming to an agreement.

@Rex-xj4dj 3 месяца назад

The actual pain

@denatle 3 месяца назад

Sponsorblock

@boonjabby 3 месяца назад

Brilliant.

@whoeveriam0iam14222 3 месяца назад

Ending with that cute dog was so smart. Some RU-vidrs end their videos with an annoying ad so the viewers forget they ever saw that dog

@Vousie 3 месяца назад

I see what you did there. 😉 And yup. Very stupid on his part to *still* put the ad at the end...

@thelocalshoop 3 месяца назад

@@Vousie I think he was making a joke at that point haha

@-Timur1214 3 месяца назад

@@thelocalshoop doesnt seem like it, its just a prerecorded ad bro

@jeebusk 3 месяца назад

well he did thank you for watching

@cyclopropinon5143 3 месяца назад

peak irony. i love it

@MacSmiley 3 месяца назад

“Put your right hand in the box.” “What’s in the box?” “Pain.”

@olpizl 3 месяца назад

Reminds me of „The Dune“

@CatMowpurr 3 месяца назад

@@olpizl Reminds me of the barber of seville overture, which is playing in the background

@jimmyzhao2673 3 месяца назад

ah ha !! Good one.

@NickRoman 3 месяца назад

Derek whips out the Gom Jabbar

@D3nn1s 3 месяца назад

@@olpizlpretty sure thazs because he meant it as a reference ;)

@corlinpalmer 2 месяца назад

This is why someone can go to Disneyland and spend 10 hours standing in line in the sun, but 5 minutes on actual rides, and still think back on it as a great day.

@adamcetinkent 2 месяца назад

Nothing wrong with being in the sun!

@xa1551 2 месяца назад

@@adamcetinkent Paying exorbitant amount of money to be in the sun, though...

@Fr0zenPeanut 2 месяца назад

@@adamcetinkent Sweating? UV damage? Heatstroke?

@ImCrazyWillow 2 месяца назад

The way im the someone-

@bigmanliam 2 месяца назад

@@Fr0zenPeanutaint that hot

@dblevins343 3 месяца назад

Its why you always celebrate finishing a difficult task/bad experience with something you enjoy. It makes the whole experience better.

@Devilofdoom 3 месяца назад

Another interesting point is that working towards something, like maybe learning a song. The reward at the end is that you now know a new song, and you look back fondly on the process of learning it. Even though in reality, it was probably pretty tedious. This pushes us to learn more. This is likely the evolutionary reason as to why the mind works like this. Because it drives motivation. Which is ultimately what put us at the top of the food chain. The other thing I noted from this video was the idea that the mind takes snapshots, rather than recording the whole experience. While true to a point, I think what comes in snapshots is the ability to remember without a reference. Generally if you specifically ask someone if they remembered any particular point of an experience they will be able to. Even if the memory does not trigger when you simply ask what they remember from the experience as a whole.

@Vipce 2 месяца назад

@@Devilofdoom his how i felt when learning the rubiks cube

@Dudeguymansir 2 месяца назад

Celebrating during by drinking doesn’t count, does it 😊

@ThangPVan_ 2 месяца назад

@@Dudeguymansir yeah, drinking is terrible, I wonder why do people love that bitter drink

@ITzDaveXD 2 месяца назад

@@ThangPVan_well we did have to eat rotten fruit to survive for over 200 thousand years so we kind of developed a taste for it.

@thomasmuller8118 3 месяца назад

"End it with something pleasant" Proceeds to end the video with a sponsor message

@NitrogenVM 3 месяца назад

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@HydrantRooster 3 месяца назад

At least he didn't show "Man being forcibly drowned". 5:37

@littledotinthespace 3 месяца назад

Lol 😂 For me, the video ends before the add and while the add plays I read the comments

@gm2407 3 месяца назад

At least he didn't show the colonoscopy.

@number_1_james_worley_fan 3 месяца назад

sponsorblock 🤯

@TooTallForPony 3 месяца назад

This is why rock concerts have encores. Edit: this actually works both ways - the fans get to hear a song they've been waiting for and so have a peak experience, and the band gets to play while the crowd goes utterly wild, so they also get a peak experience.

@lonesome3958 3 месяца назад

This is a very interesting application of that theory. Never thought about it this way, but albsolutely makes sense

@Leyrann 3 месяца назад

Interestingly, quite a few bands put their most famous song at the very end of the encore - for example, just last week I saw Scorpions, who finished with Rock You Like A Hurricane. I wonder if combining the peak and the end magnifies the memory, or dulls it because they're overlapping...

@agalah408 2 месяца назад

"Goodnight Springfield...There will be no encore!" "Man.. lets trash this place!"

@WolfsToob 2 месяца назад

Interesting, because I was seriously annoyed when I saw one of my favorite bands and there was no encore. Everyone in the venue was also confused and wasn’t sure if they should leave yet or not. That was years ago, and I’m still not sure if they did that on purpose or not to incite discomfort.

@borisahsmann7190 6 дней назад

@@WolfsToob My favorite band never does encores. They just maximise the time they have and don't want to interrupt the flow of the concerts. Most attendees know this and are fine with it, but I can imagine it might trip you up a bit if you're expecting one. I can see arguments for both but I think I prefer this approach.

@VideogamesPang Месяц назад

I think the reason the Linda question trips people up is because it feels like the additional information in the more desriptive answer implies that that information does NOT apply to the less descriptive answer. If I say "do you want a ham sandwich, or a ham sandwich with cheese" you would naturally assume that the first option means a ham sandwich WITHOUT cheese, even though that's not specified and could technically mean either. So while I think the results of the experiment would still be similar even if you accounted for this, it does feel iffy to kind of trick people with a quirk of language and then conclude "Ah ha! People think that the smaller subset is more likely even though that's obviously impossible!"

@pamelaguerra3768 Месяц назад

Yes thank you!! It was bothering me because it feels like the conclusion he draws isn't really related to the reason why I made a choise.

@mvmlego1212 Месяц назад

This is an interesting hypothesis. It could be tested by asking forming two groups of participants and asking for a numerical estimate of only one of the probabilities. If people are interpreting the question in the way that you describe, then I think they're leaning too hard on Grice's maxim of relevance.

@VideogamesPang Месяц назад

@@mvmlego1212 I think you could maybe account for it by instead presenting the options as: A) Linda may or may not be active in the feminist movement B) Linda is active in the feminist movement

@Thortok2000 Месяц назад

Exactly, I read the question as "she's a bank teller either way, but in one she's a feminist *and in the other, she's not*" and I figured her more likely to be a feminist than not.

@mvmlego1212 Месяц назад

@@VideogamesPang -- Yep, yours is better.

@Lueluekopter 3 месяца назад

"The best way to close a RU-vid video is with a wholesome message, so here's a cute dog playing with flowers" - Proceeds to follow the cute dog with an ad 😅

@xKumei 3 месяца назад

I wonder if that means that people generally prefer watching youtube videos with ad reads in the middle compared to them at the end?

@griffinbastion 3 месяца назад

@@xKumeiThere is no reason to continue watching at the end

@jellyg0at9 3 месяца назад

Bro he just gave you permission to skip watching the ad section. Like, the video is over now, this is clearly the after-the-video portion of the upload.

@skuerzard8498 3 месяца назад

@@jellyg0at9 he is expecting us to have Sponsorblock addon

@pehaye 3 месяца назад

@@xKumei i click off before the ad rolls anyway so i much prefer that

@CatLoverNightshade 3 месяца назад

I feel like there is a problem with the Linda problem: people aren’t familiar with probability terms and have the misconception that instead of the the first option being that she is just a bank teller, it is that she is a bank teller but not a feminist. This ultimately means that they scale the area of the *intersection* of bank teller and feminist with the probability of *bank teller minus the intersection,* which could make the intersection more likely.

@defense200x 3 месяца назад

I'm not buying the whole "preferring pain" thing, its more likely that people associate the additional wait time with the second experiment and thus would prefer the first one again

@MyNameIsSalo 3 месяца назад

@@defense200x it's randomised. The first test is longer in half the cases, the second test is longer in the other half. If people had some bias towards thinking the second test was longer and thus worse, then you'd see an even 50/50 split between people prefering the longer or shorter one as the first test is randomly one of the two. You don't see a 50/50 split, the research paper showed 70/30. That said, the sample size was only like 50, which is extremely small for human studies. So a large sample size of millions might show 50/50. But it's hard to argue with the rest of the video though, even if you feel the science isn't accurate you know that what it's trying to prove is real. It's just difficult to prove. Also the preferred pain thing is youtube clickbait, what the video is actually about is how we remember experiences. People prefer the experience that had a more pleasant ending to it, not that they preferred more pain.

@tobyshe3683 3 месяца назад

I agree with your analysis and also don't think the Linda problem is related to this subject. I know statistics well enough to answer B instantly, but I know that I would still probably rank the 30 yr life of Jen higher than 35 yr.

@sczygiel 3 месяца назад

This whole video is about a set of faulty experiments. There is so many wtf there that it is probably worthless "science". Like how do you end up with less desirable life if it is longer? clearly that was not the only difference or the measurement was imprecise. I refuse to trust any psychological science since I learned how non replicable they are and how shitty the conduct is in many cases. Also, I refuse to believe that 30 seconds of warmer water was actually 30 seconds of feeling the warmth. I downwoted this video. It spreads bs unfortunately.

@sczygiel 3 месяца назад

@@defense200x Also I dont think that 30 seconds of warmer water is actually 30 seconds of just 1 degree warmer water. It is not possible to warm the water as a whole instantly even by 1 degree. The experiments are an example of bad science painted as rigorous. It is bs unfortunately. There is a reason the replicability of psychological studies is so bad.

@randomperson1418 3 месяца назад

I didn't expect 14C water to be cold enough to hurt, it seems okay in my head

@theral056 3 месяца назад

I'm equally confused by this. I guess I'm just accustomed to cold? I shower cold and wash hands cold, etc. As long as it's not freezing I also have my window next to me open. Dunno, seemed quite mundane to put a hand in 14C water for a minute. Might have to actually try it to figure out what this is about lol.

@pourplecat 3 месяца назад

I think water temperature is colder than air temperature, its not like sticking your hand in 14 C air and water is the same. Edit: Feels colder, not is colder

@junipermeisje6300 3 месяца назад

It took me 12 minutes of wondering the same thing, until I realised it’s degrees Fahrenheit…

@randomperson1418 3 месяца назад

@@junipermeisje6300 I don't think it is, the digital readout says C

@randomperson1418 3 месяца назад

@@pourplecat I suppose, but I doubt that submerging 1 hand would hurt that much? I don't have a good thermometer so I can't do this experiment myself, sadly

@panomaniac5399 2 месяца назад

I read the Kahneman hand in cold water study a dozen years ago and found it fascinating. It took me awhile, but finally it showed me why Hollywood is so in love with the happy ending. Even after a violent and painful movie, a happy or good ending will prompt you to enjoy the experience overall. It's a trick that Hollywood has learned well and uses to multi-million dollar success.

@kurczaczak 3 месяца назад

I think it makes a lot of sense. 1. Knowing the peak of discomfort allows us to judge whether we can go through the same discomfort again. When your goal is not dying, then "how close are you to dying at the worst moment of the experience" is a very good indicator of how bad given experience is. 2. The end is usually the moment when we get a reward for doing something. Therefore we focus on remembering the end of an experience in order to know what kind of reward we can expect for going through this again. Recuding the whole experience to these two numbers allows us much easier processing of events and judging whether we want to take part in them again, while at the same time it preserves most important information about the event.

@ripvanwando 3 месяца назад

"In music, though, one doesn’t make the end of a composition the point of the composition. If that were so, the best conductors would be those who played fastest and there would be composers who wrote only finales. People would go to concerts just to hear one crashing chord, because that’s the end! Say, when dancing, you don’t aim at a particular spot in the room; that’s where you should arrive. The whole point of the dancing is the dance." - Alan Watts

@orroz1 3 месяца назад

@@ripvanwando Dont' bore us, get to the chorus :)

@alazarbisrat1978 3 месяца назад

@@ripvanwando it's also to build up the end, if it was by itself then there'd be nothing to it, you need a full experience that culminates into a peak and an end, a rising action for the peak and a proper closing for the whole thing. do you think those people in the experiments would like to experience the lesser pain at the end with no reason or nothing to compare it to?

@mrwizardalien 3 месяца назад

I think the bank teller question is tricky because we misread the question. the reader THINKS it means "what's more likely, Bank Teller AND Feminist or Bank Teller AND NOT Feminist?" When what is being asked is really "what's more likely, Bank Teller (either Feminist or Not), OR Bank Teller AND Feminist?"

@AnirudhTammireddy 3 месяца назад

Shhh how will I mislead my research participants? You know how hard actual research is??

@emanueleluciani99 3 месяца назад

I think that's still a bias. I don't know why but most people see only two alternatives. Black and white. If you half open a door, and you ask a person if it is open or closed, most people will respond that it's open while it's half open. And half open IS NOT open

@MikkoRantalainen 3 месяца назад

I hope the original study at least randomized the order of answer choices. I wouldn't be overly surprised to find out that the order of choices was more important than anything else. That said, I totally know how non-natural bayesian statistics is human beings.

@shak2678 3 месяца назад

@@emanueleluciani99 you ask a binary question, you get a binary answer. wording of the question leads people to think along similar lines.

@fautqucabele2070 3 месяца назад

Yes, many "profound insights" cited here are just word tricks. Just like the berry example. It was very poor.

@arnauds2222 3 месяца назад

As a French, it took me way too long to understand that thumbnail. Of course I want more pain!

@TooTallForPony 3 месяца назад

pain de mie, pain de campagne, pain de sucre, pain de savon....

@allanshpeley4284 3 месяца назад

@@TooTallForPony You forgot "pain de butt"

@austinpeterson4898 3 месяца назад

@@YO-BIZZYthe best kind of pain

@danyelnicholas 3 месяца назад

c‘est pain perdu pour les americains…

@thevikingwarrior 3 месяца назад

No more riots in Paris alright 😂🤣. I in England, I like the EU countries and I want us to be friends with France.

@rhysellis6887 Месяц назад

I take issue with the berry comparison. The scientific meaning and everyday meaning of "berry" are entirely separate. That's why strawberries and raspberries aren't scientifically berries but in everyday life they are some of the most quintessential berries, and why things like zucchini are scientifically considered berries but this categorization doesn't carry over into daily life. The botanical definition is completely detached from the everyday meaning. In everyday life, the word berry literally does refer to any small, sweet fruit. This is not a preconceived notion, it's merely the definition we collectively agree upon for berries.

@Michalosnup 22 часа назад

The same with fruit and vegetables. First off all, this isn't a modern botanical distinction, but even if it was, it is understood that fruit is sweet, vegetable is not.

@rons4345 3 месяца назад

Ending a video essay about the benefits of a positive final impression with a 1.5-minute ad is a tad ironic 😂

@andrewluo3792 3 месяца назад

At least it wasn't BetterHelp this time...

@nishchal1207 3 месяца назад

Is ironic , but it has made thousands of people talk about the add, which was their goal. Now they are either super dumb or are super smart to let others think that they are smart and also make them remember about this one add on a veritasium video.

@FinnWhittley 3 месяца назад

They said u remember the ending a lot so it would be beneficial to have it at the end as people would remember the add more

@TiogshiLaj 3 месяца назад

Ah, but the final 1.5 minutes can be *skipped* , the video stopped, or the tab closed. The whole point of the extra 30 seconds of the hand-in-water experiment -- *and* the colonoscopy example -- is that the participant is *not in control of how long it lasts* . But as a viewer of a video, you choose when to end it, so you can *choose* to stop at the puppy.

@mattdejarld6522 3 месяца назад

Who wants to bet he's got 50percent of the videos with and without the ad. Looking forward to the results !

@soohavfnaf 3 месяца назад

I had this shower thought quite a while ago, where I figured that adults perceive time faster than children partly because we do less things during the day. A child has less experiences, so anything they do is a new "photograph" in their mind, so they learned and experienced many new things, so the day was perceived as slower. Our mind tracks time in moments and not seconds. If you get yourself focused on the work and use several hours on one thing - it's just a single "moment", a single photograph.

@Rydn 3 месяца назад

I also watched that Vsauce video, yes.

@LuisSierra42 3 месяца назад

@@Rydn or did you?

@Rowan4Christ 3 месяца назад

Also, the more recent and vivid memories, or 'photographs', the less you have from previous years

@druggy1868 3 месяца назад

A year to a 10 year old kid is 10% of his life but merely 2.5% of a 40 year old adult's life. That might be another factor affecting how they perceive time.

@hokayson6518 3 месяца назад

@@druggy1868 This was always my assumption too.

@RandomName87126 3 месяца назад

9:33 "Also, annoyingly enough, a strawberry is not technically a berry. Botany is confusing." Nor is it a straw!

@bide2505 3 месяца назад

But it has achenes 😢

@busybee2033 3 месяца назад

🥱

@michaelseif3946 2 месяца назад

Bank "37!" I love u bro, u know 37 is what people believe to be the most random number and you're talking about how people think of probabilities and randomness!

@NGC-7635 3 месяца назад

10:30 There's something oddly satisfying about hearing Derek stop talking science for a moment and just absolutely roasting the final season of GoT.

@kindlin 3 месяца назад

It was a great example...... no can fault him if that pain is still present.

@AidanBurt 3 месяца назад

Great analogy

@lukefrahn8538 3 месяца назад

the final season was constipated - the solution was 'all bran'

@SomeInfamousGuy 3 месяца назад

It wasn't just the final season. It started going wrong in season 5.

@murkotron 3 месяца назад

Gaym of transes

@zwerko 3 месяца назад

07:14 - Regarding the perception of randomness, a tell-tell sign that something is not random is that there are no repetitions in a sequence. Repetition statistics are used in detecting false randomness during cryptanalysis. As a general rule of thumb, the more random something appears to a human, the less likely it actually is random.

@hyrog7795 3 месяца назад

I thunk internally we don't evaluate the odds of 000111 vs 01101110, we evaluate the odds of something seemingly looking artificial vs something seemingly looking chaotic. Technically a bunch of atoms are equally likely to produce a chair than to produce a specific blob, but the odds of the thing looking like a blob are much higher than it looking lke a chair. Something to do with entropy.

@DawgFL 3 месяца назад

Unfortunately because of randomness this also doesn't apply. You can't just look at something and think "a human probably didnt do that" and then evaluate it's randomness higher.

@ttt5020 3 месяца назад

'Tell-tale' is the term. as in, it's a sign that tells a tale/story. Circles under someone's eyes tell the story(tale) of a sleepless night. They're a tell-tale sign of insomnia! Get it?

@hobrin4242 3 месяца назад

yeah. I was forging a study that I supposedly conducted for a high school math teacher - I didn't know whether or not to put in many patterns or to avoid it and thus make it less random.

@GamerGamer-z5s 3 месяца назад

Surat No. 2 Ayat NO. 28 How can you be ungrateful to Allah Who bestowed life upon you when you were lifeless then He will cause you to die and will again bring you back to life so that you will be returned to Him. Surat No. 52 Ayat NO. 35 35 Were they created out of nothing, or are they their own creators? Surat No. 52 Ayat NO. 36 36 Did they create the heavens and the earth? No! They have no

@kamo7293 Месяц назад

6:20 I was asked recently what my most favourite family vacation was, and I answered with one of the shortest vacations we ever had, about 3 or 4 days. It was the last vacation our family had before my eldest siblings got married and moved out, and I still fondly remember this. I've had longer vacations, but nothing comes close to that time 5-6 years ago

@theondono 3 месяца назад

Pop-psychology checklist: - Sounds surprising- Check - Effect sizes are relatively small- Check - Sample sizes with minimal- Check Given that Derek himself made a video about the replication crisis, I'm quite impressed his radar isn't jumping like crazy with this...

@LunaBeth97 3 месяца назад

Yeah there's a few red flags in the studies he mentioned just from how he described them. The one that stood out to me was the story of the woman with 5 years extra life. Like it's clearly less favourable because, if she was in a car accident, we associate that recovery with suffering so they'd really have to clarify the quality of life to the participants. Then did they also test the responses if those 5 worse years weren't just at the end of her life. I haven't checked the source but it's still good to question these things.

@Ironically-Sarcastic 3 месяца назад

This is an almost pointless comment on a pop-psychology RU-vid channel's video.

@GrabnarMyers 3 месяца назад

@@Ironically-Sarcasticnot really. Some of us like me have just realized on this video hes more into pseudoscience than real science. For literal years I thought his word was simply fact and it genuinely took until THIS video for me to realize the error in thinking that about anyone. You never know who will read your comment and the chain-reaction it could have to fight misinformation.

@filipe.estima 3 месяца назад

@@GrabnarMyers You mean he's on RU-vid solely for entertainment of people, not enlightenment?

@eulefranz944 3 месяца назад

N=32 kekw like bro what is this

@MinorZero 3 месяца назад

For everyone pointing out that 7/12 might not be statistically significant: If the goal was 50% you are right. But the goal is actually 0% because why would _anyone_ prefer more pain? Even 3/12 would be strange!

@moos5221 3 месяца назад

Problem is that it's technically not more pain but it's on average less pain but for a longer duration.

@empathy1234 3 месяца назад

Actually, the cold temperature was the same for both experiments during the first few minutes. However, the second experiment lasted ten seconds longer with less discomfort from warmer water.. The subjects preferred the second longer experiment because its ending yielded less discomfort (even though it was ten seconds longer). In other words, it is not so much the time of pleasure or displeasure of an event, but the perception of the event at the end. Thus, our experience at the conclusion of an event will shape our perception of the overall event - the recency bias effect @moos5221

@Mathijs_A 3 месяца назад

@@moos5221it is more pain. You experience the same, and then some extra pain

@moos5221 3 месяца назад

@@empathy1234 yeah, that's already been said in the video, but thanks for the recap i guess.

@moos5221 3 месяца назад

@@Mathijs_A and that's where i disagree. if the water was colder for the same amount of time or if electrical current was added then i'd say it's more pain. but when it's just longer then it's the same pain just for a longer duration and when for the extra duration it's less pain then before then it's on average less pain but over a longer duration.

@thestormcall3r861 2 месяца назад

Veritasium changing the thumbnail for the 10th time:

@AltonV 2 месяца назад

RU-vid creators have access to A/B testing of thumbnails

@STRV2000IsReal 2 месяца назад

actually I believe he made a video about the science of thumbnails and why he changes them so much....

@AltonV 2 месяца назад

@@STRV2000IsReal yes, it's in his video about clickbait

@betterchapter 3 месяца назад

"Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever." - Sun Tzu

@NathanMyrick-r2c 3 месяца назад

Confuscius say Dongs Big Dang!

@PunkIcould 3 месяца назад

"Stop quoting things I didn't say!" -Sun Tzu

@RenameUranus2Caelus 3 месяца назад

"But chronic pain is forever. So.... 🤷‍♀️ Whatever, I guess." - Famous Q. Person

@СтрёмнаяПи 3 месяца назад

He is a successful Footballer Hope Sport. You don't want to marry Ronaldo, you might think?! He knew I had Asthma Bronchial. His dog also had Asthma. And only when I started smoking attacks it became 50% less. And the former spouse was generally indignant that there was no asthma. Remission. From 13 to 15 years old, they already gave the Second Disability Group, and this is 25 years of life from the moment. 13(15)+25=39 years (38-40) Doctors speak from Mom. But at the age of five, I almost died from Whooping cough. And earlier, too, the hope of Sports of the USSR was expelled for unsportsmanlike behavior two fights from the school of the Olympic reserve in Gymnastics, but did not tell him about it. For three years there was. Coach alone took away free of charge from the entire kindergarten. On the swimming offered until the scandal subsides to go, but I was offended. Professional straight hope and talent. These are the health consequences of a sharp drop in Professional sports. Do you think he would want to date a girl who Twice Beat, Fought and Beat up her gymnast rival from the Paid Section? When is he an Athlete himself? There is definitely no puppy with flowers. Before that, having scored an arrow on Brawl with his friends for insulting that without a bra in a T-shirt he walks from which he smeared her. So no one else climbed to her. I beat my classmates at school for the cause. And not only Peers at school. 🥴Yes, my hands are weak, and my legs are very strong. And I hit well unexpectedly with a turn of foot.

@LuisSierra42 3 месяца назад

Quitting doesn't last forever unless you quit life

@uninvited5417 3 месяца назад

The part about the eggplant being a berry and still being cooked as a vegetable reminded of that bit that goes: Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad

@ariesearthdragon 3 месяца назад

If it's common for pizzas to be eaten with chopped pineapples on them, fruit salads can be made with sliced grape tomatoes.

@uninspired3583 3 месяца назад

So knowledge is knowing a thing, and wisdom is also knowing a thing.

@aidan5715 3 месяца назад

@@uninspired3583another way to look at it would be the knowledge is knowing a thing but wisdom is understanding when to use the application of that thing. Often they go hand in hand, however on the example stated above it’s probably more wise not to include tomatoes in your fruit salad (even if they are a fruit).

@uninspired3583 3 месяца назад

@aidan5715 you've just substituted knowing for understanding here though. Wisdom seems to be a particular kind of knowledge. You can know things without being wise, but you can't be wise without knowledge. "Wisdom" with the absence of knowledge is just lucky.

@plackt 3 месяца назад

@@uninspired3583yeah, you missed the more important addition of “understanding *when*…” So knowledge is knowing the difference between your and you’re. Wisdom is knowing not to point out the mistake in the middle of someone’s presentation (or something, I don’t know).

@AnonymousFreakYT 3 месяца назад

"Duration Neglect" - I've never heard of that phenomenon, but now that I have, I can recall *MANY* situations where this came in to play. My wife isn't a big fan of long trips, but loves "being at places." A couple weeks ago, we did a relatively short road trip - 3 hours to where we'd spend a weekend. last year, we did a *LONG* road trip - multiple days each way to reach where we'd spend a couple weeks. In both cases, during the driving, she hated it. A couple hours into the drive, "why are we going so far.?.?" - but after just a couple hours at the destination, the length of the drive was totally worth it to her.

@janisir4529 3 месяца назад

Can't relate, I could name multiple vacations where the main thing that sticks out is how much we needed to travel to get to places. Also I hate flying, airports are basically hell on Earth.

@gvishwajith1739 2 месяца назад

Great Video Derek! Always been a fan of your content. I love the way you played a little mind experiment on all of us at the end, and also how you cheekily inserted the number 37 here and there... :)

@FatLingon 3 месяца назад

"Vegetable" is not a classification in biology; it is more of a category of food that contains a wide selection of parts from plants, including roots (like carrots), stems (like celery), leaves (like spinach), flowers (like broccoli), seeds (like peas), fruits (like tomatoes and cucumbers), and berries (like bell peppers and eggplants).

@ChrisLuttrell 3 месяца назад

I heard it was a term from marketing, nothing to do with biology at all.

@albertwaters6436 3 месяца назад

I’m reading the comments while watching the video and wondering how veggies are going to fit into it haha

@dhu2056 3 месяца назад

Derek got it compeletely wrong there. Berry just has a definition in botany separate from colloquial usage. People have been saying the word "berry" long before scientists aribtrarily chose that term to refer to a part of a plant.

@d3fau1thmph 3 месяца назад

Vegetables are plants of which the non-fruit parts are edible (like onion),

@dhu2056 3 месяца назад

@@d3fau1thmph So you're implying that pumpkin is a vegetable because the leaves are edible. Assuming you meant "edible parts of a plant that isn't a fruit," then that is also wrong. Nobody calls cinnamon a vegetable.

@devial9879 3 месяца назад

I feel the Linda experiment has a massive flaw. The way language works, people may assume that the lack of explicitly stating Linda is a feminist in option one, vs the explicit statement in option 2, implicitly means that option actually is "Linda is a bank teller AND NOT a feminist". Yes, strictly speaking, that is not included in the statement, but language is often about interpretation and implicit meaning (see the classic "Asbestos free cereal"), and I for one, instinctively arrived at that interpretation. And given Linda's background, when choosing between "Linda is a bank teller and not a feminist" vs. "Linda is a bank teller and a feminist", the latter is clearly more likely. If you were to rephrase the two options as "1: Linda is a bank teller, and may or may not be active in the feminist movement" and "2: Linda is a bank teller and is active in the feminist movement", I would very much suspect that most people correctly pick option 1 as more likely. At the very least, I'd argue that such a phrasing would be necessary to remove the ambiguity from this experiment. In my mind, this experiment is more demonstrating the interpretation of language, and less some flawed understanding of statistics. This flaw is also literally IN the Gould quote. He says "She can't JUST be a bank teller". He is implicitly assuming that the bank teller option means Linda is JUST a bank teller and not a feminist.

@CodePsy-2001 3 месяца назад

The need for additional expression to remove ambiguity proves the representation bias in itself. Language reflects people's thinking.

@laerbear6760 22 дня назад

Or "is feminist bank teller a subset of bank teller" and almost no one would get that wrong

@SmoofyYT 3 месяца назад

I remember this one study where people were put in a room for fifteen minutes and had the option to wait out the time doing nothing, or shock themselves, and a surprising amount of people chose the shock. I haven’t watched the video yet so I don’t know if this is relevant to it, but it is certainly an interesting study. Edit: After doing a bit of skimming through the video, I was unable to find a reference to this study. However, I realized that Veritasium did a whole video about boredom a while back, and that actually is where I learned of the study. It’s all coming full circle lol.

@daanstrik4293 3 месяца назад

Boredom is the greatest agony, and the greatest motivator. Love and fear pale in comparison to boredoms ability to spur us into action

@brainflash1 3 месяца назад

That's just boredom dude.

@a_skellington 3 месяца назад

Thats a different experiment for a different concept to the one in this video, that experiment explored how the brain prefers bad stimulus to no stimulus at all in certain situations. This experiment is about how the duration of an event is not remembered, rather the key moments of it, the average experience and the end, meaning a longer duration of pain will be remebered more fondly, so long as there is the slightest drop in pain by the end, which changes the average experience and the end, and provides a key moment of noticing a decrease in pain.

@aoifedeborha2420 3 месяца назад

Pretty sure Vsauce had a MindField video on that too 😂

@Mortablunt 3 месяца назад

All that’s doing is reminding me of the prehistoric SpongeBob scene where primitive SpongeBob and Patrick ancestors pass a jellyfish back-and-forth and keep getting stung.

@boropark12 27 дней назад

I always say that pain is the agony of fearing my pain will last forever, and anxiety is the fear that pain might come upon me- that's all!!

@josephbartmanovich2923 3 месяца назад

The whole berry thing has to do with two vernaculars that use the same words and it is confusing. In the scientific vernacular, berries are something specific that has to do with the plants reproduction, in the culinary vernacular berries are something specific that has to do with their culinary use and flavour profile. Also in the science vernacular, vegetable is a property denoting that something is edible, but in culinary vernacular it is a type of thing that is categorised by it's use in cuisine. A tomato is a vegetable both culinarily and scientifically, but only in science is it a fruit, a berry, and a vegetable.

@twosmartfouryou2537 3 месяца назад

exactly, I was confused cause it seems like those examples were completely unrelated to anything else

@Puzzlesocks 3 месяца назад

+1 for a guy who understands that words have multiple meanings that depend on their context. Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting a tomato in a fruit salad.

@arronalt 3 месяца назад

yeah using that as an example in the video annoyed me a lot

@danielalvesldiniz 3 месяца назад

EXACTLY. in my native language there's not even a causal, non scientific word for "berry"

@kikiTHEalien 3 месяца назад

"Vegetable" is not a scientific term

@psychedelicgazelle1588 3 месяца назад

On the topic of Linda the potential feminist bank-teller: I think the reason that people may get that question wrong is because we mentally fill in a gap that isn't actually there. Our brains interpret the question as "Which is more likely: A) Linda is a bank teller (and not a feminist) or B) Linda is a bank teller and a feminist. The part in parentheses was never actually said, but the framing of the question leads us to expect it and that's the question people answer before thinking about it.

@ledviper9 3 месяца назад

exactly what I thought as well!

@neonmarblerust 3 месяца назад

Yes, these results are more about how the words are being used than any lived experience. People are really bad at describing things like this. Especially someone who just went through a colonoscopy.

@hellomate639 3 месяца назад

I commented on this before reading your comment. Yes, the question frames it like its mutually exclusive.

@all_so_frivolous 3 месяца назад

No this is definitely not it. The original version of the experiment actually didn't involve both options but had a more convoluted way to compare them (If I recall correctly half the participants were shown "bank teller" , half were shown "feminist bank teller", and all were shown a common third option and compared the difference with the common answer). The experiment mentioned here is actually a follow up, which they only made because they effect was so strong they wanted to see if it generalizes even when shown both options.

@galoomba5559 3 месяца назад

@@all_so_frivolous That makes so much more sense

@shivaprasadkr3738 28 дней назад

The best way of closing out a video you did is not showing us a cute dog but showing us good examples. This gave us the peak experience.

@kevinyancey958 3 месяца назад

As someone in chronic pain, I don't prefer pain at all. But if your having pain in a part of your body, applying worse pain in another spot will make the original pain magically disappear. Your brain generally only registers the larger pain input. Say you burn your hand on the rack in the oven while pulling out that pizza. You could stomp on a toe and the pain on your hand will no longer be an issue, as long as the toe pain is greater. However, when the pain in your toe fades, the burn pain will return.

@TooTallForPony 3 месяца назад

Reminds me of a joke my high school math teacher said: "Why do you keep hitting your head against the wall?" "Because it feels good when I stop."

@funsized924 3 месяца назад

agreed as a migraine sufferer. Before I started taking prescription medication for it, the only thing I could do sometimes was bite the crap out of my arms, hands, and feet just so my brain could focus on pain somewhere else

@cygnustsp 3 месяца назад

That's why Dr House intentionally broke his finger because he couldn't take pain meds for his leg

@legendaxicad._ 3 месяца назад

I agree, and as a fellow with chronic pain (migraines, Wilson's disease, Pectus Excavatum also known as palpitations (basically) ), though I may not be able to share your pain or problems, the best and most important is as Derek said at the end, having a peak and a good end. I think we all need more and more joyous / memorable lives, especially now.

@legendaxicad._ 3 месяца назад

@@funsized924Same. Sometimes, I remember a fellow friend of mine in elementary and middle school who may or may not had migraines with me, banged our heads on anything, mostly walls even competing how hard we would be able to do it...

@The-Caged-King 3 месяца назад

I also tend to prefer more pain, especially on the weekends

@junba1810 3 месяца назад

Do you play League of Legends perhaps?

@The-Caged-King 3 месяца назад

@@junba1810 no… it’s rainbow six siege…

@petergao96 3 месяца назад

@@The-Caged-King yikes, I'm praying for you dude

@The-Caged-King 3 месяца назад

@@petergao96 if god could help me… he would have done so 2000 hours ago…

@SBImNotWritingMyNameHere 3 месяца назад

@@The-Caged-King May God bless your soul

@CosmicFlux Месяц назад

I sort of disagree with some of the points made in this video. With regards to berry classification, humans classify things sensibly. We classify by how our senses perceive the world: color, shape, feel, taste, etc. Which is objectively better for most tasks. Who do you think would make a better fruit salad: a person who classifies an eggplant is a berry or a person who knows what fruity items taste good together? We group strawberries and blueberries together for good reason. Our thinking is not flawed or mysteriously tricked. It is perfectly logical and more applicable to real situations. Regarding the Jen study, I'm not convinced it is a recency bias. If you take the average of ten numbers of 100 you get 100. If you added an additional two values of 75, the average drops; regardless of whether you add those values to the start, middle, or end before calculating the average. I think the people in the study and the rest of us are doing something similar. We are averaging Jen's life and answering the question based on that. The study needs to ask the question again with the 5 additional years inserted in the middle, instead of the end, to actually confirm recency bias.

@notme222 3 месяца назад

I love this study. We remember the ending and peak experience more than the average experience or duration. Such a lesson in human psyche.

@markhadman 3 месяца назад

'The Linda Problem' has been widely criticized, and in my view rightly so. See, for example 'The Problem With The Linda Problem' by Eric Robert Morse, which illustrates exactly why I felt it was a poorly constructed experiment.

@raymondqiu8202 3 месяца назад

Interesting, commenting to remember this

@geoffdavids7647 3 месяца назад

Yep, my feeling is that the first choice, of "bank teller" is interpreted as "bank teller and not feminist" due to the phrasing of the question and the unusual-ness of the format. Who asks a question where one option is completely a subset of the other, in normal life? Questions normally are used to differentiate between two separate things, and if one option gives you a thing the other option wont unless clearly explained otherwise.

@Hinotori_joj 3 месяца назад

Yeah, when he said it, i thought the second option, because after i heard it, I assumed that the first meant "she's a bank teller (and NOT part of the movement)". While that's an interesting assumption in itself, I don't feel like it was at all because of my mental image of feminism, and much more about how we understand speech and language. (It's very rare that somebody gives you two options that not only aren't mutually exclusive, but one of them entirely includes the other, which I think is why I assumed that wasn't the case). Oh, the article you mentioned says exactly that. Nice.

@joshcryer 3 месяца назад

@geoffdavids7647 yeah it should be phrased "a bank teller who has a variety of opinions"

@Peacefrogg Месяц назад

@@joshcryerhuh? What does that add? Every human has that. The feminist also has that. It adds nothing.

@plumper303 3 месяца назад

The "Bank 37" on the wall and ground was a nice touch. :)

@kokoska9474 3 месяца назад

Yeah I also saw that and was looking for a comment mentioning it!

@jankiprasadsoni6793 3 месяца назад

A bot copied your comment

@dirtspritestuff5850 3 месяца назад

37 will show up EVERYWHERE now, won't it

@plumper303 3 месяца назад

@@jankiprasadsoni6793 thanks for the info lol

@Holphana 2 месяца назад

"Less more often". This is what the self teaches. Live in the moment and be prepared to move to each new moment without expectation.

@123jbuster 3 месяца назад

please don’t start making thumbnails like this. please. i’m begging you

@bored_pyro 2 месяца назад

What am I missing or did he change it?

@kalags2644 2 месяца назад

Same question, whats so special?

@wbeel 2 месяца назад

No clue which one you're talking about I've seen 3 ones for this video alone hahah

@GaySeggs420 2 месяца назад

We'll never know

@bakedatbeen 2 месяца назад

@@wbeelig he's talking about the two buttons meme. Although why did he change that?

@ajsrf 3 месяца назад

8:28 "very bright" doesn't exactly match my mental model of someone protesting nuclear power.

@TheSlicingSword 3 месяца назад

fallout 4 moment

@chillytheimmortal9009 3 месяца назад

Probably protesting nuclear weapons, not power...

@LuisGustavoBD 3 месяца назад

Linda would probably be spraying orange powder on Stonehenge or something like that nowadays.

@MrBelles104 3 месяца назад

@@LuisGustavoBD Ah yes, finally Stonehenge has stopped using oil.

@ajsrf 3 месяца назад

@@chillytheimmortal9009what’s written on the sign at 8:12?

@rotorblade9508 Месяц назад

13:00 “for the present self… for the remembering self” that’s right, a new self is born every moment of time, according to some philosophy which I think makes sense

@rphelps4227 3 месяца назад

That Game of Thrones shade was hilarious!

@pauldacus4590 3 месяца назад

The thumbnail on this is Gold Level..

@winstonsmith6065 3 месяца назад

Veritasium out here lookin’ for the kwisatz haderach… “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” -Paul Atreides

@IllidanS4 3 месяца назад

Lisan al Gaib!

@blackshard641 3 месяца назад

"Put your hand in the bucket."

@shabadrandhawa3829 3 месяца назад

@@blackshard641 "what's in the bucket/box?"

@winstonsmith6065 3 месяца назад

@@shabadrandhawa3829 The box contains pain… Will you face your fear and the dreaded Gom Jabbar? Perhaps you are the one we have been waiting for… are you the Voice from the Outer World?

@silverhawk7324 3 месяца назад

This video is the most elaborate and sophisticated form of gaslighting I've ever encountered, and it fills me with an overwhelming sense of frustration and disdain. It's infuriating to see such manipulative tactics being used so expertly, and my contempt for this level of deceit knows no bounds.

@iamthecondor 3 месяца назад

The current thumbnail is too good! hahaha

@doggomir 3 месяца назад

He went from the "I'm bad at making thumbnails" video a few years ago to "I crafted the perfect thumbnail"

@LuisGustavoBD 3 месяца назад

Say what you will about Veritasium videos, but you gotta give it to Derek: the man knows how to make a proper thumbnail.

@lukeman9851 3 месяца назад

The berry example may have more to do with linguistics than memory. Most people are probably not aware of any technical definition for fruits and berries. All they have are examples which they've had to mentally connect for themselves. So what they mean when they say "berry" or "fish" or "tree", has more to do with how they interact with it than with particular cladistic taxonomic definitions. The person putting tomatoes in a fruit salad or responding "I don't know, CAN you use the restroom?" is definitely the one making the mistake, not people employing language the way it's commonly used

@Linuxersz 15 дней назад

"so your whole experience *boils* down to its peak" i see what you did there

@corey2232 3 месяца назад

I'm in my 30's, but when I was about 21, I realized there's a huge discrepancy in how I *remember* pain versus how I remember other things. I used to do a lot of dumb stunts or willingly go through crazy obstacles I knew would hurt, but only because once the pain was gone I couldn't truly recall how terrible it was. Like I remember when I tore my hamstring, it was the most painful, debilitating pain imaginable, yet I couldn't really articulate how that was different from breaking a rib (which had previously been what I thought was the most painful thing ever). This lead to me continuously putting myself through pain again & again, because the only pain that really mattered was in the moment. This is different from other areas of life though. Like I can try a food once & know I don't like celery, then I just don't eat it again. I don't continue to eat celery, think it's bad, forget it, then try again. Same thing with emotional experiences & relationships. I know what will make me happy, sad, mad, etc. and try to avoid the negative & pursue the positive. But when it came to pain, I can remember generalizations like "it hurt," or "it *REALLY* hurt," but in the moment that didn't mean much. I'd still do the stupid things that got me hurt, even though I'd swear in the moment "never do THAT thing again."

@mobeingmo 3 месяца назад

+1 for the effort

@Channel7331 3 месяца назад

Might just be a masochist

@raymondqiu8202 3 месяца назад

Doesnt really make sense for most people. Most ppl if they tore a hamstring or broke bones wouldn't want to keep doing that coz not only does it hurt, it causes long term further pain which is actually detrimental to your health. I think most ppl would realise that and stop doing the activity

@Zantam70 3 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing your insight, found it notable.

@erinm9445 3 месяца назад

I think this is common, but it's common for emotional pain and various other kinds of physical and psychological discomfort as well. I'd say the fact that you don't experience this forgetting with emotional experiences or relationships is less common.

@ImMigrant98086 3 месяца назад

Linda Problem was incorrectly worded outside the problem. 8:14 "Linda is a bank teller" is more probable than "Linda is a bank teller and an active feminist" but later 8:55 and 9:46 "JUST a bank teller" can be less probable because "JUST a bank teller" is not an active feminst whereas "IS a bank teller" can be a feminist.

@GamerGamer-z5s 3 месяца назад

@zachattack3ee 3 месяца назад

The "just" that he speaks of is describing the mistake people's bias is making. Your bias is telling you that option A) is that she is "JUST" a bank teller, even though the answer available to you said "IS" a bank teller.

@peabnuts123 3 месяца назад

It's still true though right? There are more bank tellers than feminist bank tellers (sadly). The intersection of A ^ B is smaller than A - B.

@kaidatong1704 3 месяца назад

I don't think the original survey was biased by ppl misunderstanding the problem. I thought some interviewer said he understood the logic that a more specific one must be less likely, but that little homunculus was still shouting or smth

@ggugvrunt 3 месяца назад

I agree with ImMigrant, both options state that she is a bank teller so you are really just deciding whether or not it is likely she is an active feminist. The addition of the word 'just' is very significant.

@meaculpamishegas 3 месяца назад

I heard there was an experiment done once with puppies. They took some that were separated from their mothers immediately after birth and some raised by their mothers for a short while. They then took them and put them in isolation with a sharp object mounted by their food. The reared puppies avoided it, the others didn’t. It was concluded that the puppies who had experienced their mother’s touch knew pleasure and so avoided pain while the others had not, so they sought whatever sensory stimulus they could get

@Meyer-gp7nq 24 дня назад

“What’s in the box” “Pain”

@theelephantintheroom69 3 месяца назад

5:10 THAT ESCALLATED QUICKLY.

@TheArmyKnifeNut 3 месяца назад

I am reminded of the saying about rock climbers... the best climbers are the ones with the worst memory. It goes back to the idea of type 2 fun. If you are not familiar with type 2 fun, type 2 fun is fun that is not fun in the moment, but we remember it fondly after the fact.

@OsirusHandle 3 месяца назад

the peak of most of my holidays was the most miserable bit: are we all just masochists?

@amanofnoreputation2164 3 месяца назад

The resuts of the colonoscopy and simlar trials which claim to show representativeness at work may also have other explanations: By reducing the intensity of the discomfort, the subject gains exposure, but the stimulus fades, possibly creating the impression that they've gotten used to the pain and have "mastered it." Conversly, I remember there being expriments on rats where the rat is basically trapped in a tube until they give up trying to escape. The non-control rats are allowed to escape the tube early prior to the experiment. Therats who remember escaping the tube persisted much longer than the control rats. (Or something like that.)

@santiagolascurain9508 Месяц назад

Amazing how the graph at the end looks pretty much like most story structures. It seems like we are wired to tell stories that way to make them more memorable. Great video as always.

@sumtensor 3 месяца назад

We quite appropriately have a saying in danish; "Når enden er god, er alting godt", which translates to "If the end is good, everything is good".

@BenAlternate-zf9nr 3 месяца назад

The equivalent of "all's well that ends well".

@WinstonSmithGPT 3 месяца назад

“The end justifies the means,” yeah, a noble sentiment.

@john.harrison 3 месяца назад

@WinstonSmithGPT I think one implies personal suffering that leads to a benefit while the other tries to justify making others suffer for a supposed good. Not exactly one to one

@noahvandenberg3637 3 месяца назад

in dutch we say practicly the same. ''eind goed, al goed''

@MrBelles104 3 месяца назад

We have that statement too, twice: All's well that ends well, The ends justify the means. And more that support them, Any means necessary, By all means.

@O_Lee69 3 месяца назад

7/12 is just one person away from a perfect tie.

@harktischris 3 месяца назад

yeah, i get what derek was trying to do, but the difference between 12 and 32 in terms of sample size is pretty significant, to the point where 7/12 can easily happen by just random chance (pretty sure the confidence intervals on that 58% are huge and overlap with 50%), so his small-scale recreation is not confidence-inspiring in terms of results. But 22/32 is quite a bit harder to do by random chance, but even then I think we can only accept it in combination with the other studies (videos) that showed similar effects.

@xmorgan1123x 3 месяца назад

the options weren't equal though, one option was more painful than the other so even if 1/12 people chose the more painful one it would still be a question of why

@thisisnotdom 3 месяца назад

@@harktischrisYeah I computed the confidence intervals out of interest. Essentially there's a 5% chance from the original study that the true value is less than or equal to 50%. So I'd be a bit skeptical unless other studies proved the same, and assuming their experimental procedure was very robust.

@Czeslaw_cn4tv 3 месяца назад

Yes, but this was just a recreation for the sake of the video. The paper is what matters more in this case.

@p0pimp2004 3 месяца назад

It's significant that most people didn't choose the less painful experience. The point is it shouldn't even be close to fifty fifty. The only people who should be choosing the more painful event are the masochists

@vagabondfeet 3 месяца назад

5:26 Me pausing and looking up those two uncomfortable videos

@MixbOOsted 3 месяца назад

🥸 relatable

@qwtxlae5xtzn6n 2 месяца назад

Sometimes pain is the only constant in lives of people.. not everyone is blessed with happiness or love in their lives, so pain is the next best thing

@kurtlindner 3 месяца назад

I love your content. Holy moly, there were _sooo_ many issues with so many arguments here. I found myself nearly spitting my coffee out just from the poor/ leading phrasing used in a couple of the questions used the studies referenced.

@newkboots 2 месяца назад

Did you not watch the substance of the video? Or are you just being pedantic and hypercritical?

@InfTlr 2 месяца назад

@@newkbootswhat do you think, coming from a person that uses the expression "nearly spit out my coffee"?

@InfTlr 2 месяца назад

"Holy moly goly jeepers my jinkies are so rattled and my coffee nearly spat out in outrage" Soyjak

@shitinsideyou 2 месяца назад

did you spit the coffee?

@DanIlicComedy 2 месяца назад

What you're saying there's still time to be remembered as a good person.

@Dvd-Znf 3 месяца назад

The ad at the end is just **chefs kiss** perfect

@tver 3 месяца назад

Even the ad subject was not chosen randomly, I believe.

@falsemcnuggethope 3 месяца назад

Who even watches those ads? I always skip them automatically.

@SalzmanSoftware 3 месяца назад

“Putting something unpleasant at the end reduces the total perceived quality” *proceeds to put an ad at the end of the video*

@BondJFK 3 месяца назад

That's intentional

@PakuZero 3 месяца назад

@@BondJFK he's intentionally trying to leave a negative impression of his video in our mind? a very interesting ploy

@kirbylover37 3 месяца назад

So is every single ad ever a wholly unpleasant experience?

@morax1753 3 месяца назад

This comment is stolen by OF bots and they got more likes, help report the bots if you see it

@Josh-yr7gd 3 месяца назад

Did anybody else notice the easter egg in this video? "Bank 37". Ever since that Veritasium video about the number 37, it's been curiously showing up in the illustrations!

@JamesOKeefe-US 3 месяца назад

I didn't notice it until this comment but good catch!

@isaacrosenthal2372 3 месяца назад

I noticed the number in the video he did about black holes as well. But I'll have to look here again.

@Josh-yr7gd 3 месяца назад

@@isaacrosenthal2372 You’re right. It was also in the black hole video!

@suttonp6439 3 месяца назад

Had to unlike to keep the likes on this comment at 37

@aisac21 3 месяца назад

I read your comment and I hit like, only to realize the like counter was at 37....I m not making this up😂

@dababyslime1821 Месяц назад

Love the thumbnail! So eye catching yet so simple

@parsakakhani9888 3 месяца назад

you are really good at making this videos. I think it's not easy to be informative and entertaining at the same time. thanks Derek!

@staf3333 3 месяца назад

“Left the tip in” is crazy😂

@zerotalentkhan 2 месяца назад

“If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story.” - Orson Welles

@DarthMackzodroginstomp 3 месяца назад

Derek: People prefer pain Theon Greyjoy: MAKE IT STOOOOP

@GamerGamer-z5s 3 месяца назад

@Deletirium 3 месяца назад

@@GamerGamer-z5sGo away.

@MrLongCrash 3 месяца назад

In my humble opinion, such sequences of boy and girl as "gbbggb", "gbgbbg", feels more random than "gggbbb" just because we can't feel any major difference between them. We can easily remember "gggbbb" or "bbbggg", but not others. So it stands as 2 possible combinations that we know and rest 13. Now it starts to make more sense.

@JackDespero 3 месяца назад

9:45 I have always had a problem with that question and that is that it ignores the implication. In our day to day speech, we don't say everything, many things are left implied. In this case, by juxtaposing bank teller to feminist bank teller, you are implying that the first one is not a feminist bank teller, which is less likely, given the information. In summary, given that she is a bank teller for sure, most people will think that your question is implying "Is she a feminist or not?" Call it simplifying both sides of the equation. In summary, I think that the question itself is the problem, as the experiment requires purposeful ignorance to the implication of said question. It is a loaded question. I think that a better question would be "Does she have hair or does she have blue hair?" because for the second to happen, the first must also happen, but in that situation, the implication is no longer "or does she have hair of any other colour". Then people will answer relative to their prejudices on what a feminist look like.

@luistbom 3 месяца назад

And we are conditioned by years of multiple choice tests in school to "pick the option that is most correct"... So yeah, this test doesn't reach the conclusion most think it does

@JackDespero 3 месяца назад

@@luistbom Well, I am not American, so I do not have those multi choice tests, but still. I think in our day to day we rely on implications, because what is conveyed in a sentence would need to be explained in 2 minutes of continuous speech. Our search for implications also cause a lot of problems and it is the origin of most "misunderstandings" as different people may read different implications in the same sentence. But yeah, I think that that question would be a good question about implications and preconceived prejudices, not about statistics.

@conely2463 Месяц назад

just at the bank teller part right now, I just wanted to point out that it seems to me (not an expert by any means), that though the question in the Linda Problem means what it is intended to mean, people will intuitively make the wrong assumption, not because they overlook it being a subset of being a banker, but because we are inclined to understand that posing of the question in such a way where if we suppose it's more likely she becomes a banker, that we will be incorrect in the cases where she is both a banker and active in the feminist movement. TLDR- I would like to highlight what I see as the (so far) unaddressed difference between a misperception of 1.) a probability, and 2.) a question's intended meaning.

@SalzmanSoftware 3 месяца назад

15:33 is dripping with irony

@Sergeantio 3 месяца назад

Says will end video positively, ends it with an ad.

@retcbn 3 месяца назад

I prefer bananas more

@daminam 3 месяца назад

That's fair ngl

@SmoofyYT 3 месяца назад

Banana smoothies are kinda fire ngl

@caskeilman28 3 месяца назад

Those berries are delicious fr

@TrinX.12 3 месяца назад

I hate bananas

@doot-doot-JJM 3 месяца назад

Same

@FutureAIDev2015 25 дней назад

Extending this concept to fiction writing, I could make the romance story that I'm slowly piecing together that much more memorable if I have some dramatic, especially impactful plot twists near the end of the story, basically plot points that really tug at your heartstrings and make you want to cry, but then end the novel on a very positive heartwarming note.

@kreyzgr5167 3 месяца назад

It's kinda crazy how the 3 minutes of extra discomfort at the end of a colonoscopy actually leaves a better memory. It's kind of a moral dilemma though, should they suffer for longer or should they have a memory of having suffered more?

@giddegidonius681 3 месяца назад

It's not that simple, as shown in the data, people do react differently. The majority does not mean everyone. So having about 30% who suffer longer and actually really remember it as 3 minutes of additional discomfort, is in my opinion not the right move.

@mellie4174 3 месяца назад

Also, you're not supposed to be awake for a colonoscopy so I don't know this could have been studied in this way.

@blondy2061h 3 месяца назад

@@mellie4174it’s really a US thing where people are sedated for colonoscopies. Other countries commonly do them awake. If you’re needing to add 3 minutes of slightly less discomfort at the end to make people somewhat more willing to come back for a repeat procedure, though, it makes me think maybe sedation is the way to go.

@b.delacroix7592 3 месяца назад

@@mellie4174 Some places and indeed some insurance agencies require the awake version because its cheaper.

@vvcbbpf5380 3 месяца назад

2:53 AHAH it looks like you needed a third blind there

@marcb.4387 27 дней назад

In Germany we say "Man soll gehen, wenn es am schönsten ist." ("One should leave, when things are at it's best."). Works every time.🤓 Thanks for the fine content, keep it on.👌

@miskee11 3 месяца назад

I have been in constant physical pain for the past 6 years. I would prefer less.

@keith6032 3 месяца назад

I'm convinced that everybody is in pain of some sort at all times. Hope you get better m8🙏🙏

@JordanMMiracle 3 месяца назад

Also, "the experiencing self" vs "the remembering self": only a small point, but an important one that is aligning more and more with current neuroscience (and apparently Theravada Buddhism for the past 2500 years) stating that there is no "self".

@jpurser55 2 месяца назад

12:06 I think this more or less highlights how god awful our perceptions can be as human beings. everyone else might think that Janes life is less desirable because of those added "Mundane years" but I'm sure Jane still enjoyed having her favorite breakfast in the morning, watching the sunset, and laying down in her bed after a long day, for those five extra years.

@anonymous_7790 3 месяца назад

Hey Veritasium, Please bring more videos on Astrophysics and Quantum Physics. These videos of yours are more informative than whole lectures.

@iactus_ 3 месяца назад

1:43 I can't escape it, it's everywhere

@InacioMatheus 3 месяца назад

Just saw the 37 video before this one and noticed that Linda's bank is named "Bank 37" (Minute 9:00)! That is my first "37 experience" after watching the video! hahaha

@LuckeGabriel 2 месяца назад

One of my favourite videos of yours. I'll be sharing this one as the Peak-End method can be put into practice by everyone in life.

@pangolimazul6055 3 месяца назад

I don't think you provided any good example of why the end of the experience is remembered more than the rest of it, it could all be due to an averaging effect. You did provide evidence that the ammoint of time didn't matter, but it could be that in the case of the water, for example, your memory averages out the whole experience making it so you remeber the water's sensation at about 14.33 C° instead of 15 C°. Same thing could apply for all other experiments. In the case of the woman's life if un the case of those 30 years she had a lofe enjoyment of let's say 9/10 and in those last 5 she got an enjoyment of 7/10 then the average would be 305/330 or aproximatly 8.7/10, which is objectivelly worse. This video is still good to show that we do not care that much about the duration of an experience while remebering but it lacks proof that the end of the experience is more remebered than the rest.

@ericsmith5513 3 месяца назад

Anyone who's ever cold plunged knows the worst part of the experience is the first 30 to 60 seconds where your body is in shock. There's a sweet spot where your body goes numb and therefore your perceived pain is drops after that period, the final memory of getting out is numb with less pain. Makes sense.

@Fangamer1254 3 месяца назад

8:53 I see that 37 don't fool me

@roguelegend4945 Месяц назад

what people remember most is that which they fear the most'...to remember means survival... everything else is not important enough it's safe non threatening...reason why trauma is not easily forgotten...

@PerkaholicFB 3 месяца назад

Why’s everyone so mad all of a sudden he put an ad in the video, let alone at the end. That’s literally the best part to have it, you don’t have to skip it or anything you just click off the video

@The757packerfan 3 месяца назад

yeah, it's funny that he did that, but you're right. I ended on a high note by stopping the video once the puppy disappeared.

@jakebrad99 3 месяца назад

Did you watch the video? It’s because it’s ironic to end a video with an Ad when he states that the end of an experience is important to your memory of it

@ariesearthdragon 3 месяца назад

Exactly. I just stop playing the video. I don't understand why people feel obligated to continue to the end.

@Nia-zq5jl 3 месяца назад

0:01 another add dear mobile user? Sigh.. I know

@D3nn1s 3 месяца назад

I hate the new way to scroll though videos

@skeletono Месяц назад

Sigh*

@Nia-zq5jl Месяц назад

@@skeletono 👍

@Noughtsgnik Месяц назад

I didn't get ad

@bulefork Месяц назад

youtube vanced users: 😂😂😂😂

@WolfWesley 3 месяца назад

And this theory existed in India very long ago with a saying "Aant bhala toh sabh bhala" -- meaning that ending is the more important than the whole experience..... Indian like please 😅