i think the biggest issue in this conversation is the simple fact that a small amount of people (pros, chall etc etc those ones) truly can identify a game that is over before the nexus blows up. Then the mass majority have their opinion based off there own experiences where everyone else is just a monkey as they are and dont know when its lost or when they have a chance still during the timeline of the game
its also the fact that lower elo are more likely to throw their lead so its kind of always up in the air whereas challenger players just throwing the game with a nasty lead is just rare af.
@@abcdefgh5808i agree with that and the other point he was making regarding the intentions of peoples no ff choice, a lot of the time either people for the ff or against arent actually trying to play or worse theyre soft inting and trying to bait you into committing more reportable offenses
I think the issue can become that when a player would contribute more by literally being afk its really unfun for the player in question. Like if you are playing an immobile carry into 2/3 assasins who are just permanently camping sides your options to interact positively to the game become very limited and boring. You can't leave base to farm, your team won't shadow you because you're useless, you don't really do enough damage to secure kills to get back into the game, you likely have limited cc to help setup your team etc.
Honestly, I see this opinion from adc mains all the time, but it's just wrong. If you are useless at fighting the enemy champs, it's still useful if they show up and waste resources and abilities on you instead of on one of your teammates who is good against their champs.
Idk if he will answer this but do you think surrender is base on the elo what I mean is its rare in high elo player throw their lead and in lower elo it's common for leads to be thrown out the door
