WHY ROSENBERG GOT KICKED OUT OF VERCETTI'S GANG? | GTA VICE CITY LORE ANALYSIS 

The sad thing is that Tommy did care for Ken a lot. So much so that he'd allowed Ken to snort up a lot of the supply while Tommy never really retaliating on him. And when Tommy saw the downward spiral that Ken was going he had to make a harsh decision not only for Ken himself, but for his empire as well. And instead of just wacking him off, Tommy sent him off to Rehab as a sort of goodbye and cut all contact so that Ken can live a "normal life". Thinking about it Tommy was betrayed by most of his friends as each one used him as a means for themselves to get to power and seeing Ken as a friend didn't want his last friend to do the same.

Ken Rosenberg is so lucky that he survived GTA Vice City and also GTA San Andreas as well

I like to imagine after the events of San Andreas Tommy was enjoying a sunset with a cigar in hand in his mansion reading about the success of Ken Rosenberg and Maddog while saying to himself "Ah Ken I knew you would be just fine"

Without bringing up Liotta, Tommy most likely just found Ken unreliable and in the end useless after losing his Lawyer status given that Tommy reeled into a Lance for his incompetence. That's said, putting him in rehab was probably an act of genuine kindness since Ken and Tommy are close enough that Tommy wouldn't want to see Ken go even lower than he already is.

Rosenberg has a good ending in his life by choosing to work with CJ and madd Dogg , idk about how it would've been if he stayed with tommy

It was a smart move for Tommy to cut all ties with Ken. The latter was becoming a useless coke addict and would have done more harm than good for business. There's the old saying: "Don't get high on your own supply." Just look at what happened to Tony Montana. Who's to say the same wouldn't happen to Ken had he stayed with that severe addiction? Especially since this was the possible reason Lance betrayed Tommy. So it was a good decision for Tommy to not want anything to do with him anymore. Moral here: Stay off the coke! You'll become a liability.

Another great video! At least Ken has a less dangerous job after joining up with CJ. I have a suggestion, maybe try do a lore video on Donald Love's disappearance? I would like to hear your reasoning behind his disappearance.

You mean Nose-enberg?

Tommy Vercetti is actually a very loyal man. The only man he outright ''betrays'' throughout Vice City is Sonny - and even then, its only because Sonny betrayed him first. I think that's what it comes down to in the end. Ken isn't a friend but he is a comrade. A comrade who ultimately stuck by him when a lot of others didn't. Its what saved him from a bullet (which is certainly how most real life criminals would have gone about dealing with such lose end).

Ray Liotta Was Legendary

To be fair it was Tommy's bodyguard that picked up the phone. And informed Ken that he doesn't want to talk to him. For all we know, Tommy was eagerly waiting to hear back from Ken and when he didn't after being checked out of rehab. Figured he'd moved on.

R.I.P. RAY LIOTTA

Ken was voiced by William Fichtner, Avery Carington was voice by the late, great Burt Reynolds. Vice City really brought the star power, it’s remains my favorite to this day.

Ken Rosenberg was addicted to drugs and alcohols and almost went to lowest situations of his life so Tommy vercetti sent him to San andreas (gta san andreas) rehabilitation centre to get him cured and we can also see ken Calling Tommy by telephone phone In a cut scene in gta sa while doing (the meat bussiness) Mission with CJ in gta sa👍

I feel Ken would've just gotten back on cocaine again, anyways, even if Tommy would've taken him back. Which, in turn, would've let to more uselessness for him with Tommy, which would've caused a domino effect of more problems for Tommy's empire. Which is exactly why Ken got back on cocaine in Sanandreas, proving it would've happened anyway, in either scenario. Therefore, Tommy made a smart business decision in cutting ties with Ken.

As a kid when I was playing vice city I never realized that Ken had such a problem with cocaine addiction. I thought everybody was on cacaine cause it's vice city^^.

Vice City is one of those games that deserves a remake but would inevitably be done wrong.

Vice City is obviously a sexy place to someone who wants to run a monopoly on the drug world. However, it won’t love them back. In short, it’s was probably only a matter of time before someone took Tommy out. Probably did that poor Attorney a favor indirectly.

A whole 9 minutes of nothing

7:59 you don't have to be a coward to cut off a person like Ken , i mean he's an iconic character but Tommy did it for self respect as he wasn't sure Ken was clean. Tommy didn't want to come to the point he'd have to dump him again, or worse have him killed if he messes around. He let Ken keep his life for himself. Luckily, he crossed paths with CJ. 8:50 he would keep behaving like this even at Vercetti's, with the fact that Tommy's morals and personality can't do enough to stop him from taking drugs.

He couldn't lay off the blow.

RIP Ray Liotta 🪦⚰️🕊🙏🏻☮️⚱️

Couldn't they have just looked for a sound-alike for San Andreas though?

Ken had plenty of chances between 86 and 92, I’m sure. He was dead weight and lucky tommy sent him to rehab instead of the bottom of the ocean. Liability.

The sad fact that ray liotta was kicked out from Rockstar company so they also kicked his character out as well.

It would be nice to see a video about Tommy and Mercedes relationship, and what happened to her after VC.

Nah. If Tommy accepts him back, he will just be an addict again when he has the chance. Like what happened in San Andreas. If anything, I see Tomy wants his friend to stay away from all of those drugs stuff and live a new life. Accepting an ex-addict into a drug business while wanting him to keep clean is stupid. Like "Yo, don't do drugs anymore alright? Anyway, this is our new drugs warehouse that I want you to handle." lol. To be fully cleared from addiction, people need to stay away as far as possible from what they're addicted to.

The only use that Ken Rosenberg had was that he was a lawyer and as we hear in the introduction cutscene that he was disbarred from the Law So basically Tommy had no more use for him he was a liability he was getting high on his own supply

Even in GTA SA he’s snorting coke. He can’t handle any fame or fortune. Ken Rosenberg probably got fired from CJ’s empire too

Why did Ken choose to go to San andreas instead of liberty city......also....why did he need to leave vice city......also....did Tommy stay in vice city or did he go back to liberty city because I think he was originally from liberty city sent to vice city

Ken : Just like the old times Tommy. CJ : Who tf is Tommy? I hope Ken meets Tommy after the events of San Andreas.

Maybe you're putting too many points on Rosenberg. I believe that the reason why Vercetty didn't even had a word with Kent before cutting relations with him was because Tommy simply didn't care nor wanted to lose time with him. Specially considering the useless junkie Rosenberg became lol

I don't think Tommy would have given him a second chance, because basically Tommy's Enterprise revolved around the cocaine business. Ken's past addictions I think would absolutely be too much for him to overcome, and this would have probably ended very badly for Rosenberg.

Videos like this are my favorite on your channel! I feel sorry for Rosenberg.

Ken rosenberg did so much effort to help tony taking over the drug business in vice city he was the only one for him once arrived to vice city my guesses is that Tommy left him due to his behaviors and how cocaine attracted him to addiction maybe Tommy wanted to see healthy and clear minded people working for him

7:29 "Indirectly contributed"? Yeah, that's not what Ken was arguing. I believe his exact words were "I _made_ that ingrate!" And anyone who played the game knows that Tommy did all the damn work (because we _were_ Tommy at the time) while Ken sat on his ass the vast majority of the game. Sure, he provided some necessary connections for the story of the game to continue, but Tommy did all of the heavy lifting... and the vast majority of the light lifting too.

I know your story is trying to logicalize scripted behaviors, but come on man. Vercetti is a coward because he didn't answer Ken's phone calls? Ken did nothing to help Tommy in Vice city, every single man Tommy had to kill he did it by himself. Tommy was the reason Ken lived in the first place, not to mention the endless percs he had when working for Tommy. Tommy owes him nothing, he chose his fate more than any one else :)

It is a shame the 3D universe got shelved for the HD one, would have loved to see where everyone was at in the equivalent "modern day" in some game set in either of the three locations or a new one within that universe. Would Claude still be an errand boy, or his own boss? Would Tommy have shared his empire with family, or just reign until his inevitable demise? Not that I'm saying every story needed to be sequelized, but with how the PS2 games and the PSP spinoffs wove the narratives together, it really would have been fun to at least see one more update on the world before we moved onto the darker HD universe.

That scene where Ken says "Oh I need a job". Where is that from ? I dont belive Ive ever seen that before. What game is that from ? Im certain its not from GTA VC.

Its a shame that ending though. Ken is one of the most colourful characters in the series, I completely understand the reasoning though. But he's one of my favourite side characters, seeing him with kent paul and maccer is sa was incredibly entertaining though.

In fact, this video is completely unnecessary, because we all know why Tommy was removed from the series, for the same reason that removed Nico. Money 💵 💵 . It's something the actors say it's not like the rest of the things that Rockstar has kept hidden, it might be fun to speculate on the causes but when you know the real reason there is no need to invent reasons from the game because the events that took place in it were not originally a blueprint to keep Tommy out of the story It's just loading more game story than it's made to handle 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Vice City is the best. Nothing comes close

Ken kept getting addicted to crack and kept on sniffing it. Tommy told him to stop because ken was his friend and lawyer. He kept getting high and even start sniffing tommy own crack supplies. With ken no longer a lawyer he was now a liability now. Tommy had no choice but to kick him out. I hope ken is doing okay as mad dog agent now and is not making the same mistake with drugs like he did with Tommy. With cj hate of drugs I think ken stop his addiction and is living good with mad dog.

Ken Rosenberg survive the '80s and the 90s he's probably dead but who knows where he at😭

The real answer is because Rock$tar couldn’t bring back Ray Liotta

Kent Rosenberg could not launder the money for vercetti anymore

Your explanation level is next level you know the things that others don't know

If gta 6 takes place in vice city it would be nice to get an tommy vercetti Easter egg like in the future have his abandoned mansion in an old part of vice city and let the information about the house be online and tell us about who owned it and what happened to tommy like confirm if tommy was overthrown and taken out for killing an mafia crime boss?🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

After 1986, Ken suffered from drug addictions so Tommy sent him to rehab and cut ties with him

In retrospect Ken Rosenberg got himself fired for becoming a crackhead.

Tommy more or less knew that Rosenberg was a danger to himself and the gang. Sooner or later Ken would've probably screwed thing up big time and end up in jail or dead. He still cared enough for Rosenberg to pay his rehab, get him out of his operation and give him the possibility of living a normal life without crime. If he actually returned to Vice City the only thing that would have happened to him is Ken ODing one day.

Ray Quit gta resulting in a change of story. Same with Ryder when MC Eiht quit rockstar changing the story

Tommy was very non confrontational when it came to his feelings involving people close to him. He never said a word to Sonny until the ending, he never ended his relationship with Nosenberg directly and ghosted him, he didn't want to address his tension with Lance even when Lance tried to bring his issues up throughout the game in his phone calls. Tommy's a killer but am emotional coward

He based of cariltos way lawyer he even looks like him too in the movies he became a cocaine addicted man 😂😂💯

Addiction to drugs ther i saved ya some time

He would of relapsed if he went back to tommy

Ken and Tommy could have been really good friends Tommy would expected Kens phone call but RockstarNorth had other plans for game but it was still really beautiful game

What game is the scene where he’s outside the Fort Carson rehab from? I don’t remember it.

It's because Ken had a drug problem and was sent to rehab and Tommy I guess cut his losses with him. Probably couldn't put up with his stupidity

KEN ROSENBERG? MORE LIKE KANE ROSE BURGER LOL

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I cant believe a Jewish lawyer wasn’t trustworthy and dependable

Tommy's like the lawyer in carlito's way, he's a fucking crazy liability to have when he's all whacked out on coke, unpredictable can cause a lot of unnecessary misgivings.

I think Ken had a drug problem and Tommy sent him out West for Rehab

I think the play of Rosenberg is just like Sean penn in Carlitos way the lawyer and he died in the movie.I think they played where they made ken a joke but no matter what he was there for tommy in loyalty I think the reason why tommy didn’t kill ken is because he didn’t have to. There’s nothing ken can do to hurt tommy in anyway, it’s like gta 3 Phil is a soldier in their and is one armed just like the event where he blows his arm off in vice city. So I think in conclusion of thought Ken was annoying and doing coke and I think tommy saw an opportunity to just get rid of him and let it be and let Ken go on his own which Is great on kens part because now we know he’s just a criminal magnet going from one successor to the next, so in a way Ken will always end up on top because his natural ways which we see in vice city kick in and cj sounds a little bit more lenient towards Ken and to top it off kens not alone he’s got Kent Paul and that one guy so in the end it works for Ken .ps the reason I bring up Phil is because if it is canonical then Phil lived thru vice city and perused something without tommy. Which brings up why I think tommy just cut ties with ken. And the canonical order gta works is vice city-San andreas- gta 3 then 4 then etc…

Carlito's Way is a good watch if you like the Ken Rosenberg character

according to gta wiki: Rosenberg is undoubtedly heavily influenced by Sean Penn's character Dave Kleinfeld from the 1993 movie Carlito's Way. Both worked as lawyers, helped the protagonists of their respective franchises, and were heavily addicted to cocaine and both did something that made the protagonist sever their ties with them (in Kleinfeld's case, he was going to testify against Carlito and Tommy severed his ties with Rosenberg because of his drug addiction). Also, the interior of Rosenberg's office in Vice City is also remarkably similar to Dave Klenfield's office.

this all under the asumption Tommy is still alive

Ken says Tommy is selfish but he's clearly more selfish! He wants all the cocaine for himself and only himself... And his severe cocaine addiction almost put Vercetti Empire in even greater danger, not to mention that he lost his lawyer's licence because of it! This is why Tommy decided to send him to Fort Carson in 1991!

Kan azza lag rojo hoye aur tomi vercatatti

well Ken doomed himself

"you ain't a stickup man! you're an idiot!" - tommy still laughing at that till this day lol

Yo so I just ran threw this on switch, and didn’t do the Malibu club assets, and I’ll be real I missed all of this 😂😂😂 I watched every cutscene too 😂😂😂

I think a major issue was Tommy got tired of being let down by the people around him. Despite treating them fairly well. I mean what kingpin you know would let their friend get high on their product vs making the money off it? Plus lance let him down by trying to takeover despite being treated reasonably when he wasnt even pulling his weight. The man become underboss without any substantial work.

If Ray Liotta didn't quit as voice actor Tommy would have said sorry but he couldn't associate with him to Ken on phone in the cutscene of Introduction of GTA SAN ANDREAS .

ken is sean penn's character in carlito's way.

1:03 Take One To Know One Henry Hill 🤣

Hes a liability! A big one at that

why did that intro sound like a skin walker wrote it

For his addiction

great video keep up the great work

8:01 Highly doubt this is the case. Toy has never been shy about voicing his opinon

I thought it was written Nico Rosberg from F1 😂

Earned a sub bro. This channel deserves more recognition.

if I remember correct Ken told CJ he wanted out of the life of working for the MOB cause if would not be good for his health in the long run and the fact Ken went to work for Mad Dogg as his Accountant sorta his life ended up even better kind of funny seems Tomi did Ken a favor by not letting him return to Vice City but again that is my Opinion

Still gets me upset that Tommy and Lance aren't together anymore....it's seemed very true about their friendship

Omg finally answers

Cocaine problem.

Ken Rosenberg is my favorite GTA side character

Poor Ken.. He is so cute , I love him

I don't think Tommy's decision with kicking out Ken and sending him to rehab was a bad thing I think the reason why he did it was because Ken was his best friend and he always stood by tommy no matter how things got messed up in vice city in fact it's for the better, he didn't want Ken to become a drug addict as he could easily screw up the whole counterfeit cash business, if he continued snorting coke in the middle of washing cash, tommy sent him to rehab out of his own heart and cut ties because he doesn't want him to get heavily involved into crime and as Ken stated during the mission meat business he was tired of crime and wants go out and live a normal life and by that point he probably understood why tommy did it.

Ken always did have a nose for business.

i believe that Tommy knew how dangerous it would be for ken to keep working with him. Being 2nd in command, he would have a target on his back, and ken isn't really the fighting type when shit hits the fan. i think the idea for tommy was that he was protecting ken, sending him to rehab for a fresh start in Los Santos

Just needs some clarification, Vice Sity, San Andreas an GTA 3 are tied together in that order right, Any other GTA titles connected to them or is that it?

Who rigged up the deal at the docks. ?????

We don’t know and never will.

It’s still all because of Ray Liotta and his issues with R*. That’s why R* just had to make something up to change the story to what it finally is. RIP Ray Liotta 🪦

Sad that Ken couldn't stop being addicted to drugs. He was working for a drug lord. Drugs did ruined his life. Ken now works for Madd Dogg and CJ as long as he can control himself.

Better call ken

It’s Ken Rosenberg Betrayed Tommy Verectti in 1992 lol