Why Samples in the Same Key Don't Fit 

It’s ok, TikTok doesn’t care about key 🔑

If we would’ve had this video 17 years ago it would’ve probably taken an hour to buffer and it would have been laggy as hell 😊

I'm a youngster I'm appreciative 😢

@@stereokuuji 😂😂

I picked up the guitar at the back end of the 1980's with no help and you do learn but it just takes longer and is more frustrating. That been said, I have learnt more over this last 20 years because of channels like this but I would never assume that younger people would be ungrateful because they didn't know any better. Doesn't matter how you get there, it's all about the journey.

That’s why he the GOAT

Aw thanks Ryan. welcome!

Welcome and thanks! Yes I try to teach in musical principles that should be universally applicable.

I have hornet, tracktor and melodyne too. Melodyne is the OG of polyphonic analysis and might be the best, but I wasn't going to get into that in a beginners video aimed at djs haha. But like you say between a few it might get you closer to the truth

@@Bthelick sure, totally understandable. I've actullay found Melodyne to give the weirdest interpretations, Traktor Dj the most reliable and Hornet the least reliable, although i have tried to persuade the Hornet guy to make a full track analysis function available like Auto Key and he seemed receptive to the idea. Anyway, thanks again for the video, just found your channel and really enjoying the content. Just at at the start of learning music theory despite doing music for about 20 year using samples etc so your content is really useful, thanks again.

It's 99% minor. It's more about the rhythm in Afro house. Did you see my organic house video?. There's a lot of cross over

@@Bthelick I'm going to watch it right now! Thank you so much!

Absolutely. I've just bought the amigo sampler! (If you've not seen it you must) Perfect for og jungle vibes I'll definitely be making some soon

@@Bthelick Omgosh yea i brought it to after i follow Stranjah alot. Im looking forward to those vids. Thank you so much.

@@RolledInARaw did you see the resident advisor mini-documentary?

@@Bthelick Yes I did. Crazy I grew up south London when it was coming up. Thats why i switch to Jungle Drum & Bass. Cant keep me away. Just waiting for my launchpad mk1 to do jungle live thing.

Yep it's getting there alright. I've been playing with RipX.

Don't get too drawn into some tech doing it all for you, you need to learn by ear because you are doing yourself a disservice mate.

I'm afraid that's just years of practice ear training. Best place to start imo is trying to figure out the notes of your favorite melodies, as those are one note at a time. You'll eventually start to recognize note distances. Just drag the track into the daw and play a super short snip of the start of the melody so it's just the first note, then try to find that on the midi/keys. After you've found it move on to the next change. After you can do that well you should be able to start to hear bass parts (or just the lowest notes in a part), and that leads to being able to hear chords

@@Bthelick Understood. That is helpful. Thanks for the reply!

Hmmmm, Did you see my drum tutorial? (It's titled house drums but it applies to most genres really) And of course, just reference more! A lot more

What hardware do you use?

Yes very true, I shouldn't have let an 'always" slip in there I was trying to keep to "typically" haha. For those new to these concepts I wasn't going to get into inversions and alterations yet, that would just confuse the early principle.

Baby keen vent? NOIT bootleg? That mix?

@@Bthelick yes exactly

@@hesselagergaming1823 well its barely a piano haha. its a sample, of possibly a synth, or very cheap piano, or very old recording of a piano, or guitar, or layer. playing an minor add 9 chord. played as 'static harmony' exactly as I describe in chord samples video. best way to recreate that is take the worst piano you can find and resample it as a whole piano from 1 note (like old romplers /samplers had to do with tiny memory) , then crunch it up by playing it with a low bass through bad converters, tape and vinyl with eq to match that honky mid tone, resample that whole thing and you will probably get close. I might have already done one for my rave regeneration project I can't remember haha. maybe I should just do a vid haha. It would be pretty quick (btw was "rally house" a typo? or is that what you know this sound as?)

@@Bthelick thanks for explaining i wasnt a typo. I searched for i vid/totorial for that sound and a playlist came up with a bunch of similar sounding songs called. 90s Rally house i think

Weird. It wasn't a scene I was ever aware of. The only thing I can find about it seems to be the tracks composers for rally / racing games were making that mimicked 90s rave

I don't think it's a case of "being afraid to make your own music" I addressed DJs in the intro for a reason, not "producers" or other types. Djs (proper ones) and dance music itself come from a place of mashup culture, that IS how they make their own music! Anything that looks remotely 'classical' or academic (like a piano) is not scary, it's anti DJ culture. Before decks and samplers , making music was something very much for those with money. A djs instrument IS their decks, and historically these methods were the enabler that unlocked music making for a massive amount of people who previously couldn't afford it. There's a reason hip hop is the largest genre in the world. Of course when it emerged in the 80s It was denounced as being "not music" or musical by the snobs. It's like telling a working class person that the best type of alcohol they can make themselves at home is champagne! It's a mindset and a culture thing. Samples are their own art , skill set, and instrument. Yes being music aware actually helps do better mashups , but I'm not going to press that fact from the perspective of musical snobbery, I've made this video more like a PSA so that those who WANT to use samples can do so a little better. Having said that, If you look at the origins of music in classical and jazz, sampling was the done thing then too. Classical composers would 'sample' from other composers as a sign of respect, You can see the subsequent works called "variations on a theme" or similar. Same with jazz and their standards, it's the done thing to acknowledge your influences and integrate them into your own. Being able to integrate different musical ideas into others beat through sampling, remixing, or musical interpolation Is respected just as much a skill as a completely original composition. (Not that there's music truly original composition in a western system of seven notes 🤣) Music is just an art form of emotional communication, and cultural resonance is at the heart of that. how It's achieved is irrelevant. As the great Genesis P Orridge said; "Anything that makes a sound is an instrument, anyone who can make it make that sound is a musician" . People who use samples aren't scared to make their own music. They ARE making their own music!

Traditionally (as in classical/jazz) just a letter with no maj /min afterwards means major. But expecting the uploaders to know that is the same as expecting them to get the key right! (This sample here was minor, but the video was long enough I wasn't going to confuse the issue any further 🤣🤦‍♂️)

@@Bthelick yes, which makes it confusing when they have both B and BMaj, what do they mean? And then you find the B sample was actually Bm... Like they say, "trust nobody"... I use Melodyne with DNA for analysis but it is very cumbersome.

Sounds like "lately bass" from a TX81Z

It will tell you the notes, but unless you know your scales and have experience listening for 'home' notes it's not going to tell you the key. Also, typically vocal melodies move fast, and not 'digitally' between pitches like most instruments so the readings will be all over the place. Bass is easier for determining the key, because it will typically be playing the root note, tends to move less, and thus is easier to tell where the 'home' or '1' might be. you're better off with key detection software (like zplane tonic) for key detecting, not tuners. I use the tuner here to find where we can which part of the bass sample is playing the home note.

@@Bthelick Thank u

Vocal remover .org that one?

@@Bthelick yess that one

Ah right yeah, I certainly wouldn't call it perfect. I use it for separating acapellas all the time, but the key detection doesn't appear to be using anything more sophisticated than other key software. It's got plenty wrong when I've looked at it. The thing with key detection is it's not just about identifying notes, because lots of keys share notes. There is some human intuition as to the feel of where the home chord is and that can also be implied, Not just measured. No software I have found is doing a great job in non-obvious cases. For example any tracks with long heavy kick drums Will still confuse it.

Well it's easy for me because I have decades of ear training. Anyone without that including machines can have a very hard time figuring out keys etc.

Ah no it's. +3 for minor +4 for major isn't it. Thanks for pointing that out, I've pinned the correction cheers 🙏👊

Suno is great. Well it's great at creating the type of mass produced pop that the music industry used to churn out. So I'm sure the major labels will be happy, as they take so many steps to not pay their artists already. It's a good indicator to what the future of pop music might look like. Just like other industries, if your job can be written down in steps , a robot will always be cheaper to hire than a human to do that job. So those artists only capable of 'tick box' music won't have a career soon. You could argue this has already been happening for a couple of decades . Being original, nurturing trust, maintaining an identity and mastering how to emotionally connect with others is going to become more valuable in art moving forward I'm all for that future.