Why Season of Discovery Isn't Great | Xaryu Reacts 

I quit sod when economy was completely destroyed in phase 3 by blizzard being a dumbass.

Back In The Day, we'd keep raiding after getting BiS because we enjoyed raiding with our friends and wanted to help them gear up too. Or we started doing more challenges within the raid for achievements. Or we didn't even get BiS before the next raid tier was released.

The player base ruined this game. Demanding logs for puggable bosses... its like fuck it.

45:10 talking about taking time. I can remember spending 8 hours in MC back in vanilla trying to figure that shit out. Me and 39 other people. We did that several times. I can’t imagine doing that now.

Remember when people just had fun with things

People complained about how few tanks and healers were around, blizz makes lock, rogue tanks and adds a mage healer... now some are complaining about having rogue tanks and mage healers.

i stopped playing sod cause of the incursions, saw my guildies were making 1k-5k gold the first 30 minutes they were released then they hotfixed it. completely ruined the economy

Man if only they did what Turtlewow did with their servers, new quests in all zones, new dungeons, new raids, new leveling zones, new race/class combos, new profession recipes, hundreds of new gear items and making sure all the new content make sense Lore-wise. They basically a "Classic Era continued" kinda server. It's brilliant. Low-key Blizzard should hire their staff and make this come true.

Loved this convo, and the differing opinions from both of these guys was incredibly insightful. THIS is the great kind of reaction content! Anyway one thought about Raid ID vs Boss ID. I think a slight compromise between the two is the best option. Ultimately, keep Raid ID, however you can still enter other raid IDs and help out while just not being eligible for loot. The way this would work would be when you enter a raid and are NOT saved to a raid ID, a dialogue window pops up and asks if you want to save to the raid, making you eligible for loot, but locked for the rest of the week. If you decline this window you can stay and just not get loot. When you're SAVED and you enter another raid ID, a window pops up and lets you know that you are saved to a different ID and can't get loot. This keeps the "stick it out together" social contract that classic is famous for while still letting friends play together. Win Win imho. Only real downside I can think of off the top of my head is potential issues with "boost selling".

So having multiple difficulties and different lockouts are bad because it segments the community Yet gdkp runs which are filled mostly by people who only do gdkp which are essentially carries with no real community sense are ok because if you don't wanna do them just go to other raids Also people keep complaining about retail being full of FOMO but you can't make a raid reset twice a week because you HAVE to clear every reset because otherwise you will be permanently behind (and that can be applied to literally any content implemented that has a lockout) I swear every classic take the community has contradicts the last one

The 20+ raid size system was a great way of adding a difficulty slider for casuals that should be in all SoD raids going forward. If a raid is too hard don't ask for nerfs just bring more people!

alexstrasza scorches bolvar alive to save him and no one questions anything but let an arcane mage rewind wounds on someone and suddenly it makes no sense

The worst thing that ever happened to WoW was it becoming super serious through the years. Back in the day if you wanted to be hardcore you joined that type of guild. These days even random groups act like you have to have this gear score and this type of experience....For the casual it has killed the enjoyment of having fun with people around the world and connecting. Having to be a good player to get gear is just wrong, it should always be a roll system to make it fair to everyone who is involved. I don't care if the tank or the healer are better than the others....the worst player in the group is just as important as you wouldn't be raiding otherwise! It is a computer game...no one else's time is more important than anyone else's!

Blizzard doesn’t ban gold buyers. If they do, they might catch a 3 Day and MAYBE lose the gold they bought if they haven’t already invested it. Banning GDKP was a lazy way to lessen gold buying, which is still running rampant regardless.

Except blizzard doesn’t perma ban the buyers so it never fixes the problem?

Yeah, on difficulty in WoW, its like the Overjustification effect studies, if you don't know they'd basically bring children into a room and one group would be rewarded for each picture they drew while the other group was just told that they could draw. The study found that providing rewards would keep the kids drawing longer, but as soon as the rewards stopped they would stop drawing. Retail is designed to give rewards for drawing pictures (doing content) that is their loot philosophy, their designers have said so. Classic is designed to give you all the paper & crayons they can and let you draw the pictures as long as you'd like, the rewards are there but they aren't the purpose of the game

Why we are taking the opinion of a person that does not even play the game and he only spends time dissing people and talking about drama?. Every time a person reminded him that his take is absurd or simplicistic he just say "I have played 30 YEARS IN WOW! I KNOW" yeah sure, because he is the only one that did? I play SoD and I started playing long time ago in vanilla and I have a totally different opinion. Stop being polarizing, Asmon was a player that knows some things in the game and after Cata always had a different experience from the others because of him being a streamer.

1:02:00 your character persists but all your gear is worthless so its basically the same since the only thing you don't have to do is level, which in retail is more of a formality than anything.

GDKP keeps high end players running groups = more groups = more players playing since they're able to raid and get loot. GDKP is big.

They made it easier to finish your goals. They fast tracked every goal you had. That’s made it empty, I have no motivation to level. We used to have a challenge to overcome, which we would find friends to make it easier.

I fully disagree with the idea that GDKPs were a big thing back in the day. They just weren't. I dont know a single person who actually did a GDKP run before ICC. Back in the day when you got fully geared, you helped your friends get gear, you did PVP, and most of the time you started playing an alt and doing it again.

asmon filled with l takes recently

Mythic ilvl gear being the same ilvl as LFR in the next tier is what's crazy to me. The seasonal feeling comes in large parts from these massive jumps in ilvl every content patch.

Banning of GDKPs absolutely had a massive negative impact on the pug scene in SoD. It's one of the biggest mistakes of the season for sure.

SOD had 10 layers today. Cata came for a visit.

At the end of the gdkp, you got paid a lot of gold from that guys 150k

The raid id system, more than anything, builds resentment amongst players from every experience I've had in the game. If anything, boss id actually builds more community because you can afford to bring bad players to the bosses in 2 different groups until you get stuck and then finish the raid with the players that care enough to learn their class. This also applies well to pugs in regards to boss id

Turtle Wow is currently creating a true classic +, was watching all of the videos of their server after Asmon watched a trailer. Classic wow but added high elf and goblin with custom starting zones and quests with lore true to the era. And much more lore finished and added in-game. And a small amount of spells/abilities that were really needed for classes in classic added

I agreed with SOD having normal levelling spped for the current phase. Then when a new phase (level bracket) unlocks, add some XP speed boost to the previous bracket. To catch-up and focus play current phase. And I only consider that an option for SOD because it is seasonal.

They missed an opportunity when they didnt add mr t in wrath

I never raided back in vanilla and won't in SoD either. It's such a huge shift in time requirement going from leveling and dungeons to raiding, and I especially don't have that time now that I'm older. Raiding is a time sink to keep people around, and GDPK sounds like more of the same. A much better solution than grind would be to add more and better content, flesh out unfinished zones, add more races etc.

Saying gold is fair when you popularized having people opening trade and accepting all gold offerings is hilarious

SoD struggling is just asmon using it as an excuse to say "i told you i was right because of these reasons" and he cant really prove those are the reasons at all.

i said this in the original asmon video, and saying it here... THE CHARACTER IN SEASON OF DISCOVERY WILL NOOOOOT BE ERASED. Devs already said this

i quit immediately after knowing there are no more 10 men raids.

Jesus asmon and xar compete for the longest videos of the day

Fair is everyone pays the monthly subscription and has an equal chance at rolls. Might as well add a feature where you can buy a dice that goes to 200 if GDKP is OK.

And no, you cannot compare PvP rating and M+ to SoD Parsing. Because both have incremental difficulty as opposed to SoD parsing.

How they removed gdkp? what will stop me if i make a mc gdkp in 2 weeks?

Difficulty as a concept is subjective. Meaning what is hard for one player can be extremely easy for another. What the result of that becomes is: We have 2 camps feuding over what is Easy vs Hard, when in reality all versions of WoW, Classic, SoD and Retail are all Easy AND Hard simultaneously, depending on where across the spectrum of skill, understanding and knowledge about the game the player stating the claim "Easy" or "Hard" lands. Raid ID: Raid ID is more uniform to what Blizzard aim for with a Guild system, so in that aspect it makes total sense for WoW Classic. But the modern retail version of BOSS ID is the better version for all players in isolation. People who are not in a tight guild group or are just bad at the game, can with the BOSS ID model now get kicked out of the Guild or Raid if they are not good enough or are just fooling around dragging the rest of the Guild / Raid down without progression or loot lockout penalty. But it also create what Xaryu described an easer "fk off" mentality with the playerbase, because it is so easy to just get rid of a player or just leave mid raid without consequence.

i was excited for sod but quit in phase 1 because i was tainted by how a small indie dev team can make a private server free and 10x better.

Bad take - gdkp is good for people that are geared, or people that want to make gold or people that like the reward if they don’t win gear. Not every gdkp involves gold buyers…depends on who you raid with.

I never completed a single raid from vanilla-BC because I was a ret paladin. I logged in to explore the world and pvp with my friends. Gaming was different back then. Min maxing wasn’t at the forefront, fun was.

What i dont like, is like what really defines a bad player? Numbers or how they use their abilities? For the most part its how they use their abilities, along with raid mechanics. But a lot of people just look at the dps and see if someone's low. They could be doing their rotations right, they just dont have that good of gear yet to do higher numbers hence why they are in the raid

best thing after i come back and enjoy SOD was they ban GDKP and u can read the chat again

Yikes, I kind of feel bad for Asmond, that multi minute rant about how he is (was) the fucking best and knows more than literally anyone else is giving huge, guy who peaked and is way beyond that peak and can't let go or accept he's not that guy anymore. That was a sad few minutes. Anyways, I feel like class need isn't completely erased like people like to act like it is, mage healer makes sense to me, it's crazy to me no one has ever seen a mage class heal in another game before? GDKP is whatever, I can see both sides of the argument. Raids being too hard was like a one or two week issue, and then fixed. and they were not at all difficult after that. The only reason I don't dislike the Discovers Delight is because it's a season and won't be here forever, with no PTR they would want us to his the cap level changes to test them out. Now if they relaunch and have DD in it, then I would have an issue, but also the idea of the slow leveling is dead, lets be real, even with Classic launch people just did nothing but dungeons until 60. I think SoD has been great, just for the fact that they are trying something new, that they have finally seen that the core of classic people love and are doing something with that. It's not all homeruns, but I appreciate them doing something.

The raiding scene died without GDKP. All my friends quit. GDKP is just DKP in a tangible form that you can spend on other things in game.

Most loot councils funnel gear to officers. Free roll raids are all well and good until some someone decides to ninja an item, and the group falls apart halfway thru the raid. Atleast in GDKPs you're incentivized to try to preform to get a cut, and if you dont get the item you want you atleast don't leave empty handed.

Also, people that want to get parses aren't going to be trying to do that in pug groups, period, regardless of loot rules. The only way you can parse is if you are in a group that has taken the time to get full buffs, stacked good players/classes, and planned out how to approach boss strats. That requires coordinated guild groups.

Asmon doesn't want to join a loot council guild because unless he's the guild lead he isn't good enough of a player to have loot prio. He likes GDKP because people give himself thousands of gold and he can just buy it all out. Also he's nostalgic from running scam GDKPs

GDKP are good because you can go get gear from regular raids then go to GDKP after you get the gear you want and get gold for consumes.

59:00 stop thinking it is waste of time, you must enjoy the journey and the time spent, not the end result, you don't play for end result, you play for the sake of it, otherwise nothing is worth your time

We could say that about ourselves, we could all be doing better. Knew that one was coming ahah Xar is on point.

Facilitating classes with specs that were underutilized like pally tank/dps and the same with druid specs, etc - those are 100% fine. Make those viable with runes. Maybe don't go crazy with some of the other specs. But I think they were looking at the private servers and trying to capture some of that flavor on a retail server. But I think that we need to remember that this is still a testing ground. They can take all this feedback and drop a true vanilla plus that is scaled back from how over the top SOD is right now. That's the TRUE hope at the end of the day, remember. This isn't going to be permanent. It is a petri dish.

I've never done GDKPs, but if they were around in SoD i might've stuck around longer. Got my full BiS, 99 parses on most bosses and then it just felt like there was nothing to do. I used to be against GDKP until i realized that it really is the most fair loot system, AND it adds content to people who no longer have content to do.

Literally nothing vanilla left about SoD. Crazy fast XP, no journey, overpowered with skills and gear from the get-go, etc. etc. Only thing missing is the cash shop now.

I mostly agree with the take that classes each had their things they were good at and their things that required other classes to prop them up. I will however say i don't believe this identity fits with every single class in the game. I think there are genuinely classes in classic that just fall between the cracks and that there are other classes that are just generally better then they are at pretty much everything. A prime example of this is Enhance Shaman. There really isn't a single situation in the game for both PvE or PvP that an Enhance Shaman excels at or does better then any other class. You could maybe say that they bring windfury totem but any spec of shaman does that and it's not really a thing that benefits you or boosts you at all it just boosts all the melee around you to preform better. You could even argue that its a negative to their identity because the thing you think about with shaman is windfury its the most iconic thing they have in classic and windfury just gives their iconic thing away to other classes. Now I'm not entirely sold on this position as it is a bit subjective but my main point is that some classes have REALLY strong identities and benefits and other classes identities or benefits aren't really that beneficial at all. Not sure what a fix to this is that would actually make people happy just a thing worth noticing. For the leveling speed topic i agree for the most part except i do genuinely think classic was a bit too slow and it caused pacing and burnout issues. I enjoyed leveling in SoD with the 50% xp buff as that felt just about right to me where i still needed to dedicated time and effort to leveling but it felt better paced. The XP buffs past 50% and all the crazy xp from events like incursions and stuff were WAY too much and actually hurt people going out into the world and leveling, It just funneled everyone into the game into 1 specific zone to speed leveling and caused significant issues with the game. For the points of friction topic i agree that it is part of what makes classic great however i do not subscribe to the idea that all points of friction are good or an over all benefit for the game. There are absolutely many points of friction that have just caused people to quit the game or are just genuinely bad for the over all health of the game. The really hard part is figuring out which points of friction are good for the health of the game and which ones are bad. A prime example is world pvp, i know people that play the game entirely for world pvp and i know people that have flat out quit the game because of it. Its a very subjective point of friction.

Imo, they should have just brought the other tank classes up to the warriors level and just given people dual spec or removed the respec cost. Allowing the healers and tanks to solo play instead of dumping their gold every week to respec.

i got realm first heroic lich king 25 man when i was 18 yrs old lol. still have the feat of strength achieve on my account

Some of the most fun I had in classic was grinding. Be it jump runs, solo mara, or Frost E'ko. Doesn't matter. Gold sellers and multi boxers ruin this, and make the game a raid sim, or an honor grind. I don't like it

I think GDKP is a bigger factor than he thinks but less than asmon. People are pugging still but are going to quit once they hit that 'i only need x and y'. Where as with gold runs i always leave with at least gold

(G)DKP is more fair than rolling in the sense you get DKP or gold even if you "lose" an item, or even if your item does not drop at all. Having bad luck with rolls makes it quite likely that you dont even gain anything from a raid. Also that it is pointless to join a raid with rolls if you have all the items already, which will make all raids slower and possibly fail since only somewhat geared and undergeared players will be raiding.

This is what im saying… Asmon’s take on gold buyers is so disjointed from reality. They will ALWAYS make new accs, thats kinda why cybersecurity and hackers exist bro…. Like what. How is blizzard gonna permanently stop them lmao…. 😅

GDKP's even if you don't buy gold are great because no matter what you walk away with something. Even if you get outbid, guess what you get a percentage of the pot and you walk away with more gold and you have more gold to work with. If you do GDKP's regularly then you don't have to buy gold.

GDKPs are totally not necessary lmao. What do you do when you’re max geared even quicker via GDKP? Just farm gold and then what you’re already BiS geared. This just leads to more gold selling. You also don’t need guilds to do raids in classic, GDKPs are just pugs of random players most of the time, still works for them

The more friction the better. For most people the classic hardcore addon with the many different hades heat like feature added many challenges which was a whole realisation for a lot of players how to view and approach a game differently. RP self imposed challenge. I'm doing variations of this for more than twenty years. Really consciously thinking about it and deciding what I wanted from a game was in EQ and D2 way back. The items dupes and botting got to me. I didn't know who was legit and who not, so I cut all player trade and group activity. Over the years nolifers, swipers and streamers enforced my decision to just keep to myself. So ever since the survival genre wasn't really coined I practically played it that way. Early era Aion Cleric was the most broken class and the most fun I had soloing dungeons in very subpar gear. On BDO launch creating my own guild and solo grinding the missions to try to solo guild bosses in subpar gear on a valkyrie was great. Or now currently revisiting EVE Online with a self imposed ruleset and challenge which I don't really know if it will be possible.

Crazy that the assumption is that people are buying gold for GDKPs when most of the people I know who have bought gold usually do it for raid upkeep and better riding training.

@xaryu Do you think that the top 10 players of each class for any game can have a conversation with devs and make a class/game better based on the feedback these players who have invest the time into it give. Normally all top players shares a similar view on there class. what they are good at and what they are bad at and everything in between. Maybe this is to much of an open ended question but ive watched alot of the wow streamers and other pro game streamers and played at high levels myself to come to the conclusion we all have about the same view on topics but why doesnt the developer is it actually because they dont play there game? Or they see a Metric go up and think its good.

they need to do more with pvp

It was clear from the very start that SoD was a strategic blunder. The reason is that they focus on endgame content, but if what you enjoy is instancied content, every version of WoW is better than Vanilla. SoD is competing against WotLK, Cata, retail - and raiding in SoD is the worst by a huge margin. Trying to "take the best of each version of the game" can only lead to a duller version of the game. What they should do is focus on expanding the strong points of Vanilla : leveling, immersion, world PvP, social interaction - and the first thing they should do is move away from instancied content. Hardcore was fun because it forces the player to be fully focused - and being focused is a way to immerse the players but it’s also clear that this isn’t a viable option for a MMORPG. Loss of Xp or items, more World bosses, world PvP events is what they should focus on.

The only role/class change I like is tank warlocks. They were always giga strong solo levelers, tons of interesting utility, but meh dps. Demon form tank lock is the one exception imo, but tank rogues and especially healer mages is stupid.

I strongly believe that OS-WoW is coming and SoD is just the voting process to let them know how to make it. Vanilla+ or Classic+ will be built on the foundations of Classic and add the "modern" twists and turns that we are developing in SoD. Bypassing leveling just allows the development team to have the players experience changes and the final build will encompass Classic + SoD Changes for a new long term play style.

14:20 I disagree wholeheartedly - just because 2004 wow was a certain way with certain specs shouldn't mean that SoD has to be as restraining as that. arguably - to have a more integrated population, every class SHOULD have two specs out of the three. that way - some dps can fill in for the healers or the tanks when PEOPLE GET TIRED OF DOING THE NOT FUN JOBS REQUIRED FOR MULTIPLAYER ENCOUNTERS. I play a paladin because magic and swinging a big ass sword is my fantasy I want to play in the warcraft universe - I end up wearing dresses and mallets and healing others, not doing anything to the enemy.... and all that experience is for me is - look at health bars and top off the ones that gets low hp...... THAT'S NOT FUN GAMEPLAY - I'M NOT EVEN HITTING THE STUPID DRAGON IN THE FACE!!! I'M JUST SPAMMING LIGHT IN THE ASS OF MY "FRIEND" ..... SO YES - I think asking the rogue if he could tank when it's been 30 minutes and no one is joining for the last spot is still reasonable - MORE reasonable than asking ME the Ret pally to use some lvl 50 dungeon gear and babysit you through a dungeon healing .... It's not as fun when the situation is reversed, now is it??

Everyone focused on GDKP when you have Incursions that fucked the economy and the people who bought golds prior Incursions. Would be nice if *Warcraft logs* tracked gold incomes and invalidate parses of guilds that had a gold buyer.

Doesn't class identity just alienate players from experiencing certain aspects of the game though? Isn't this why they were homogenized in the first place because DH tank was clearly the best in an M+ setting and it didn't make sense to bring any other tank?

Metamorph Lock is so fuckin fun and sick though

Streamers in osrs 1000% influence their viewers voting heavily and anyone who says otherwise is insane tbh

GDKP has many different buyers and carriers. you don't have to pay thousands of gold on catch up raids. they do have lower tier GDKP so people can get in to the raids. now days people just want to play raids few times and quit or only wants full bis raiders. they are pretty cheap and helps you catch up. finding raid group was easiler with GDKP. streamers like Xaryu will never have that problem without cheap GDKP group. I disagree with him since all his opinion is just gatekeeping as top 1% streamer. not only gold buyers play GDKP. gold farming is huge and people don't cheat with RMT getting punished is just a bad decision.

even private servers have anti cheats that no one can use bots , just get to a random farm spot in cataclysm and watch the bots walking around leveling while killing volatile units n farming

Asmon never said GDKPs were necessary for people to enjoy a MMO, nor did he say it was the main reason SoD sucks. He simply brought it up as a contributing factor because a lot of the geared players who would have kept raiding to run GDKPs dont go carry groups and reduces the pool of available groups. He spends a lot of time talking about the game going away from the classic design. Also, its not just about banning sellers. Banning gold buyers consistently will discourage players from buying because they dont want to lose their account. Back in the day, most people were pretty scared to buy gold because the fear of being banned.

If they do anything like this again they should just do a Classic+ without the leveling phases. Just release it with the ability to start leveling to 60 from the get go. And create actual new content. They should be looking at Turtle Wow and Project Epoch and get some ideas from them. The seasonal phases with boosted XP just makes people get to the end and burn out faster. I'm more or less done with putting tons of time into SoD. I'll go ahead and hit 60 and I'll probably just do dungeons and get tier 0.5 and then PUG MC/Ony when folks have them on farm and just need fillers. But I have no desire to be on a raid schedule and be spending tons of time farming for consumables and getting all the damn world buffs every week, multiple times a week.

I agree with asmon on the gdkp thing for a very simple reason. I think blizzard should fix the gold buying problem, as a consumer i have no obligation to know how, or care how difficult that is. That isn't my problem but i agree that them banning gdkp because they cant do as their tos would require them to do is a bad move, and i actively avoid and dislike gdkp.

well but if u lost to 150k goldbuyer then u at least got a big pot of gold in the end. and really nobody except of a very few specifically known "millionair" gdkps bids that much gold on such items. just use another normal gdkp and get it for 10k. and gdkp have a lot more advantages. for example people not leaving before the raid is finished

In my opinion, the bigger question is why do people care what Osmond Gold thinks?

Couldn't agree more about slow levelling, as soon as instant gratification was introduced to skip this aspect the game became about sweaty end game boys. Best case scenario would be a game where levelling takes a ridiculously long time and furthest end game content was only touched by a small portion of people. It creates a universe where people feel the gravity of effort and it humbles them.

Felt alienating as a very competent player to get on wrath/Cata classic, Sod P1. was hard to get into groups without a massive budget, Didnt intend on wasting time to spend gold on gear that I would normally just roll on and be done with it

42:25 correction: he got carried in cutting edge content at the end of a content cycle and he only was a raidlead so he could give himself all the loot.

14:32 100% this. NO SOUL on Earth thinks "tank" whenever they hear the word "Rogue". I bet most of them would usually think of these words instead: - Assassin - Ninja - Thief - Pirate(?) - Outlaws - Criminals - Cutthroats - Shadow - Poisons - Stealth - Charlatans ... you know? "Assholes" who never care about fighting dirty as long as long as they win, they always do things "from the shadow" or "from behind" with "dirty tricks"... The word "tank" has NOTHING to do with Rogues imo. What's next? Healer Warrior? From these Gigachad berserkers/weapons masters who'd always be in the front-lines, you somehow turn them into "healing b*tches"? How would that make sense?

SoD was good at lv25, after that I felt it just lost it's way.

I agree that people want fresh vanilla every so often. It’s been about four or five years since I played and I am ready to go again. Maybe play a different class etc.

The problem with gold buyers and gold sellers, is that gold buyers just get a slap on the wrist for buying gold. Most of these people have X amount of accounts to funnel gold through, when they see one of their accounts get a 2 week ban, there's not a worry in their head at all. If it got you a perma ban, you'd most likely see a drastic decrease in gold buying. Blizz also needs to hire GMs to ban bots/gold seller more consistently, as opposed to what? Every 6 months when they've made enough money to get more bots up and running without it stinging a little bit. If Blizz actually hired GMs and banned buyers/sellers, GDKP would 100% be the best pugging method. Blizzard's reason for removing it in SoD was even more funny because people have TBC amounts of gold in just 9 months of not even being at level 60 and GDKPs haven't been a thing since what January? And the social fabric excuse just turned into gate keeping with log checks.

We need a new wave of hardcore 😅 I’m just playing retail right now.

The people who will be social will have a raiding guild with most of their raid group raid logging after the leveling and pre bis is done. Those who want to ke3p playing a make and alt then either try to get into another raiding guild, wh8ch can be hard if it's late in the game or do gdkp. I tri3d pugging with alts but I just ended not bothering as it was an unreliable way to gear up. If there was gdkp I 2ouldrun incursions to fund that. Keeping me playing because I can gear up a,ts if I put in the work

Xaryu I have so much respect for the amount of restraint and levelheadedness you showed while viewing certain parts of this video. For example the insanely narcissistic egomaniacal rant beginning around 39:00. Asmon is a great content creator, one of the best ever perhaps, but this dude is completely out of touch and a victim of his own success. The close up blinks said it all lol. Your a legend bro keep up the great work.

I don't buy that argument about people not willing to put in time for seasonal characters vs persistent - if a season lasts for 1-2 years how is that even seasonal anymore. You slap people on ERA fresh servers and 95% of them will quit before 2 years pass. 2 years is sooo much time, you can do every grind classic offers 20 times over in that time. Not to mention that "persistence" of your character is an illusion when new expansion hits - with new level cap, new skills, new borrowed powers - its not same character anymore save the nick. The more believable explanation for me is - SoD grinds and time sinks aren't interesting/different enough from regular classic to really lure people in. I have a friend that says the same "yeah i can't be arsed if its seasonal" and I get how people can feel like that but reason is not because its seasonal actually. What do you actually get from "persistence" of your character across the expansions - reps you grinded in vanilla mean nothing in wotlk, gear you grinded in vanilla means nothing in wotlk... Think people should start putting effort in focusing on playing and creating memories to cherish, that was and is the only thing that truly persists. All other talk is BS. It's like people are afraid to say "man I wish I had time to play this hardcore like old days but I can't because I'm 30 now and I have to deal with other shit". That's fine to say that. Instead they invent shit excuses like "oh I would but its seasonal so whatever..."

if classic is easy and retail is hard n challenging then why are so many people on classic that just have no idea how to read their spells or do a little bit of research on how to play their class

I feel attacked by Asmond

My server was dead 2 weeks after it came out. Hard to level afterwards couldn’t do dungs ppl that were there didn’t want me because no experience. It was fun tho would’ve played more if I could level faster.

The moment i realized No Arena, they couldnt even add ruins of Lordaeron map...... For example one thing that made Vanilla good was classes could do 1 thing forcing ppl together an working together. And first thing I hear is healing Mage, Tank lock. They are going the complete wrong way, its narcassist that have seen the money and power in Blizzard and for the Last 15 years now taken up the the posisions that Me and 3 other RANDOM players could make a better game in 24h with

@ ~21:00 you hear Asmon say something like : Players that don't deserve gear can win gear with a roll system. -- This might be a sore spot for Asmon. He might have done a dungeon 100 times to even see the piece he wanted for his DK only to have it rolled on and won by a Warlock or something. Or --- by another DK who contributed .0001% of the parse, Or --- whatever Asmon's excuse is. He sounds like he's turning the UBER RARE gear is the trophy, instead of Completion of the Raid is the trophy. The gear that drops can be seen two different ways ... as random chance to get or as the reason you're there at all. Asmon is the latter perspective and feels a certain type of way about who 'deserves' that gear and who does not. I have no doubt, he'd control who gets what in a Guild run in a similar fashion. Gear the A1 Tank, Healer, DPS first. Gear the A2 Tank, Healer, DPS second. Gear the B1 T,H,D third, and so on. This is the story of socialism turning communist, everyone joins sold on a narrative that they're equals only to participate in the system and have the top tell the rest that what they've earned needs to support the leader class or else there will be no organization for the rest. How quickly socialism turns communist authoritarian once you get the buy-in of the majority. It sounds like Asmon has been burned by honor system roll mechanics and now he wants more control to ensure his odds are ever in his favor. I'm in favor of a roll system with many options decided before the Raid can even be formed by the raid organizer, made clear to all participants who browse available raids. If the participants want to join a raid with those settings for rolls, then so be it. If that style roll system attracts zero help, then folks like Asmon will need to modify their standards or be prepared to wait a long time to find just the right participants to agree. IMO, this resolves the issues entirely AND teaches people with obtuse roll standards that their standards are obtuse (at least with the average players eligible to raid when they typically play).