Ma'am can you make videos on Igor Vasilyevich Kurchatov , Edward teller, Aristotle, Grigori perelman and Hans bethe because there is no videos on them instead of some 1 hr biographies
BRIGHT IS KEY in todays world and they need just to look at it is mostly and let the subconscious take it in and connect it/make connection and store.or the science part of the mind I suppose
Kiváncsian olvastam a többnyire Magyarságon kívüli Nemzetek méltatásait ! Megdöbbentett ,hogy csak pozitívan nyilatkozó hozzászólók írásait olvashattam itt! Ami rendkívül figyelemre méltó , az a részletes informáltság népünkről! Köszönjük!
Legend says, when Roosevelt left the meeting he had with his team of scientific consultants, one of them said: "Gentlmen, I think we can continue in hungarian."
In consequences, most Hungarian people lost their respect for the schools. So it's not just emty complaining. The current school system needs radical changes, or will slowly rot away.
It’s not true. Hungarians are just like to complaining about everything. The wages of the teachers is low that’s true tho they have to fix it but everything else is a lie. I was studying in Ireland in a University. Biotechnology. Based on biology maths physics and chemistry. The first 2 years we were studying exactly what I learned in 10-12th class in my Highschool already if not earlier. The leaving cert here could be done by an 8th grader in Hungary. Education in Hungary is extremely high level compared to other Western countries. The salaries has to be fixed still but the level of education is extremely hard and high standard. If you want to talk about respect towards teachers I recon you to see a western school and how are student and teachers are acting over there you would be shocked. Grass is always greener on the other side but in actuality it isn’t . You should start to appreciate what you have over there because when you move abroad you will face reality and it’ll hit you hard when you realise what we have in Hungary is actually not bad. That’s life you all envy the West for certain of things and here every person I know envy Hungary for others. The longer I live abroad the more I appreciate Hungary.
Edward Teller (who was actually Teller Ede born in Budapest, Hungary) said once that without the Hungarian language he would have just been a mediocre high school teacher... the logic of the Hungarian language gave him the gift of being able to think about things such a unique way...
@@warkovits "A Hungarian can enter the revolving door behind you and come out in front of you." This saying is attributed to Henry Kissinger, former US Secretary of State and National Security Advisor
When I was going to a Gimnazium (high school) in Hungary between 1978-1983, after going to a university in America, I didn't have to do anything for the first 2 years because I already learned that in high school. Surviving and passing math without failing was a cause to celebrate in Hungarian high schools. Even getting into high school was very difficult because you had to have a certain number of credits/high score threshold to pass in order to be accepted.
And now our education system is on the brink of collapse. The education system is underpaid, and also highly understaffed. The situation is so bad, that the government will utilize soldiers older than 55 years, and order them to go to schools to teach. There's a village in Hungary where the biology teacher is the local butcher. That's how bad the situation is currently. Funny part the whole problem is caused by the government and the solution they do just makes things worse.
@@Z04RD Isn't the Hungarian government increasing the salaries of teachers' every year starting 2023? They have a program where they pay them out of EU funds. Sad to see that the educational system is declining, in the US it's completely useless and have been for the last 30-35 years. On top of that the teachers have become political activists who brainwash students in high schools and especially on the university level. Society is on the verge of collapsing into total chaos due to the impact of ideological brainwashing from the left/progressives. At least Hungary doesn't have that which is a good thing.
@@Z04RD "Interesting. I attended high school in Budapest (gimnazium) between 1983 and 1987, That was 4 years later than Janus. However, I had a similar experience in Australia with biology and chemistry. Second- and third-year university students knew as much as a 17-year-old high school student back home. And this difference still holds today. My friends couldn`t return with their high school child because he is 17, but his math knowledge is as much as a 7th grader back home. And as I recall, even in the 1980s, teachers complained about their salary and their freedom. We didn't even dare to dream about what would happen in 89.
@@januskaminsky5399 I just googled the Global Innovation Index for 2023.The US was ranked number 3,with a score of 63.5, behind no.1 Switzerland 67.6, and Sweden64.2.Hungary achieved the rank of 35,with a score of 41.3,placing between Lithuania and Malaysia.I know it’s fashionable to disparage the educational system of the US,and I’m sure it makes you feel better.
I think the language is partly responsible. There are no prepositions in Hungarian. The language uses postposition tags so that you have to wait until the end of the sentence to find out who did what. It makes people better listeners. In English, we use lots of prepositions, so we know where the speaker is going before they are done, or so we think. Also, the language is completely phonetic. If you ask how to spell something and how to pronounce something, it is the same question. This saves about two years in language studies over English. English has its advantages, though. You can say just about anything in English. My son's second cousin is a math teacher in Hungary. When he was visiting, my son learned more in two days from him than he learned in an entire semester in high school. Another of my son's second cousins has finished his PhD in Engineering. He has done some post doctoral work at MIT and will be doing more at Cal Tech. One of my Hungarian friends has a PhD in Mathematics and is Erdos 2. Yes, there are a lot of brilliant Hungarians.
There was recently an article on the subject in the German magazine "Sezession". It showed the connection between grammar and mindset. According to the article, language favours logical thinking and also creates a special form of love for one's homeland. Title: Sprechen und Sein. Über Ungarns Identität.
@@belstar1128 There are some very good mathematicians who were native English speakers. I wrote a paper about Arthur Cayley in college and looked through his collected mathematical papers. He was one of the most prolific mathematicians in history and wrote the rules for matrix mathematics. His clarity of thought was expressed in his papers and his is the best explanation of matrix mathematics I have ever read. And there are many others like Newton, Boole, Turing and many others.
I am Vietnamese and Magyarország (Hungary) is one of my favorite countries. Her culture, people, land and history are SO BEAUTIFUL!!! I want to live there.🥰😍
@@seaman5705 No, they are ONLY against Muslim invaders. I have been there and the people are very nice to my family and I. Also, there are thousands of Vietnamese who have been living there for the past 70 years 😁
@luongo7886 And you are wrong. No Vietnamese people lived in Eastern European Communist countries until 1990. You might be young and far from what happened in those years. Also your communist regime will not allow people leaving the country.
@@seaman5705 Thousands of Vietnamese are still living there for over 120 YEARS without any trouble so you are wrong! Also, Hungarians are Asians! So why would they discriminate against Vietnamese people? 😆🥹🤣
I would love to watch it. Altough it should be more of a series, we have so much inventions 😂 People dont realize how much of our comfy everydays can be contributed to a hungarian mind in some way shape or form
@@herrkulor3771 Look up who invented the opening tub on top of your Coca Cola can just for fun. It was a Hungarian Student of my one professors of Food Chemistry and Technology at the BME=Budapest University of Technology and Economics now. She immigrated to the USA where she did it !
I suspect the genius is there in virtually EVERY population, but betrayed by poor educational policies and procedures. When one of my students complained that I was not teaching college algebra in the same manner in which they had learned in high school, I realized the vivid reality that they had been betrayed by a teacher who *_taught by ROTE,_* instead of to *_understanding._* God allowing, I hope to build my own university based on the principles I have learned over the years. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
As far as I know these scientists spoke in Hungarian with each other, and this language is very strange and isnt similar to any other language, thats why they were Martians.
Bolyai János is worth to mention, he was a mathematical genius, who developed absolute geometry. Also Kőrösi Csoma Sándor, who was a prolific scientist, philologist, who wrote the first Tibetan-English dictionary and grammar book. Also Torma Zsófia one of the first female archaeologists in the world, known for her significant work in prehistoric archaeology. All three of them have greatly contributed to the worlds scientific knowledge.
@@bluerose-eg8ln Main works of Kőrösi Csoma Sándor: Essay towards a Dictionary, Tibetan and English, 1834. This work is a guide to the Tibetan Language and contains a detailed dictionary of Tibetan and English words. A Grammar of the Tibetan Language in English, 1834 is his other big publication. And just after his death was published the Sanskrit-Tibetan dictionary of Buddhist terminology Mahavyutpatty, with an English glossary. You're welcome
I say it's the language. It has so much choice, you can think in any way, you are hardly limited by expression (besides from a passive form). All Hungarians I know are versatile and speak excellent English, German and some roman languages too. There are so many ways to think around ordinary sentence structues to express yourself above just making statements. You can even swear so melodically, if you put words in the right order to create tension and release like in a symphony. I've been learning for two years and thinks Hungarian language is somewhat of the peak of human expression by now.
The inventive geniuses owe their success primarily to the Hungarian language and thinking technique! Second in line to the Hungarian culture, education and training system! This linguistic, emotional, thinking, cultural embeddedness and education and training created and creates the creation of geniuses! Ede Teller himself stated that he would not have been able to achieve what he achieved without the Hungarian language. One thing was also important: human love and talent management, follow-up and obtaining patrons. If the Jewishness played a role here, it is simply that the parents of these inventors lived in a fairly good social existence, in many cases they were born into bankers or well-to-do families, where they were able to pay for a good and individual education as well!
Thank you for learning our language. It brings such joy in the harth of a native hungarian speaker to hear that someone foreign is learning our language that you cannot even imagine. If along your learning journey you will need a partner to speak with in hungarian, than please feel free to contact me, i would help you for free
A passzívat is használhatod, de mi azt ''magyartalannak'' nevezzük. Nem szép, nem hangzik jól. Beszéltem hollandokkal akik 20 éve tanulják hobby-ból, azt mondták, hogy soha nem gondolták, hogy egy nyelv ennyire gyönyörű, ennyire tökéletes lehet. Amikor magyarul beszélgetnek egy egészen más világ nyílik meg előttük. Minden pillanatát élvezik, családon belül is /házaspár / ezt használják és imádják az irodalmat eredetiben olvasni. Remélem boldogultál a szöveggel!?
Don't forget greatest virtuoso pianists: Franz Liszt and Giorgi Cziffra. Probably nobody on earth ever had the technical ability these two people had. Cziffra was also a stunning jazz pianist and could also improvise using the most difficult passagework imaginable. Liszt, well probably nobody could play as well or had the technical powers he had. Liszt was also a genius arranger. And Liszt wrote some great tunes. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Franz Liszt spoke German as his mother tongue. His father was Adam List and Grandfather was Juraj List. The family tree has various ethnic Slovak/Hungarian and Austrian roots and his ancestors were born in what are today parts of Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Franz Liszt was the first List who used the Hungarian written from of his name, where his Father and Grandfather used the Slovak spelling. No single "nation" should claim Franz Liszt as "their", because the Kingdom of Hungary, then part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, was a multi-ethnic and multi-national monarchy. Franz Liszt does not belong to anybody.
@@erikziak1249No. Liszt considered himself to be Hungarian. He addressed some remarks to his audience by declaring: "Je suis hongrois" . He felt himself beeing Hungarian at heart
Also in the 20th century there was Bartók and Kodály, and a lot of genius music teachers who reformed the music educating system. I study in a music conservatory highschool and the hungarian level of musictheory and solfege is much higher then any of the western nations'.
Nobody mentions that the map 0:20 shows todays Hungary's border which only true since 1920. Big difference because the country lost more than half of its population. Also Horty 5:15 tried to resist Hitler until Germans kidnaped his son (ennacting antisemitic laws still better than the deportations after nazies took power).
Thank you. Nicola Tesla was Serbian born in Croatia. My mother and grandmother were born in Kansas, USA. Their ancestors were from the old Austrian Hungarian Empire. These people were and are my heroes. Thanks, again.
First of all he spelled his name as Nikola Tesla. He clearly wrote in his patents that he was from Smiljan-Lika of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. You are so proud of your Serbian past that you don’t mention Michael I. Pupin. He too was a giant of science. While on his hospital deathbed , Tesla visited Pupin who asked his pardon of their falling out of many yeas ago for which Tesla responded, “there is nothing to forgive, my old friend.”
Yes, in today's Croatia. But back then it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Just to clarify, his home was in the Krajina region, populated with Serbs mostly, which is a part of today's Croatia. Mihajlo (Michael) Pupin was from another, eastern part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire called Banat. His hometown was Idvor (now in Serbia), hence his American surname Idvorsky. Perhaps the two of the three greatest Serbian scientists and inventors of all time, the third being Milutin Milankovic (mathematician and geophysicist, best known for multiple geological cycles and their effects on climate).
Banat is romanian territory. The small Banat is in Serbia, the big Banat is in Romania with Timishoara as its capital. The serbian Banat and the Timoc Valley, close nearby in Serbia are populated till this day by romanians. The romanians of Serbia speak an archaic dialect of romanian. There is no territorial quarrel between the two countries and tjat is very good. The serbian romanians can go to Romania and romanian serbs can go to Serbia any time they want. And that is very good for the romanians of both countries. Same is happening with the romanians and hungarians living in Hungary and Romania. It does not matter that much if Tesla was serbian or croatian. What it matters is the educational system of the Austro-Hungarian Empire that was totaly reformed in the middle of the 19 century. Emperor Franz Joseph asked a jew scientist to reform the educational system. He did such a good job that towards the end of that century the brilliant brains inside the empire were coming out on tje european scientific scene in droves. 7 of the nobel price hungarian born nuclear scientists who worked at El Alamo were educated before the fall of the Austro- Hungarian Empire. Tesla was also a creation of that high standard educational system. There is a book written by an american lady, daughter of one of these scientist about "9 hungarian scientist who changed the world". I think she was the daughter of the nuclear phisicist Edward Teller but I am not sure.
@@petermarkovits-ke2gp we know where Timisoara is. It is not like anyone could forget Ceaucescu’s bloody massacre there. Who could ever forget such a tragedy? Perhaps you since you can’t even remember the person who helped Franz Josef reform the educational system.
@@jeesdetriplek4588 If by inventor of the helicopter you mean Oszkár Asbóth, then no. His craft was unable to fly in a piloted manner. A 3-4 person ground crew with ropes had to keep it from wandering away. The Germans already had a working practical helicopter when he still stubbornly tried his faulty desing over and over. Credit where credit is due: he was part of the team who experimented with tethered observation helicopters during the first world war.
When talking about Hungarian Jews, how can you leave out Paul Erdős. He was the most prolific mathematician with 1,500 mathematical papers published during his lifetime.
In hungary, we are very proud of their achivements. The school system was reformed by Kuno von Klebelsberg, who set the goal of making the country an "intelectual superpower". The hungarian education system currently has quite a few problems, the biggest is the low amount of respect and compensation the teachers get, ensuring only crazy people (sadly, more often the bad type than the good) get into teaching, and it's a downward spiral. They keep lowering the requirements to get into teaching, but at the same time, keep upping the output requirements, upping class sizes, and cut funding to the point where teachers had to bring printing paper, toilet paper, soap and chalk to some schools. Teachers are constantly overworked, burning out, and ending up very bad teachers. The current system somehow still has some super talented educators and amazing schools, and the good learners often get very good education. The system focuses on the 'talented' kids (measured by the local equivivalent of GPA), and cares very little of those who are a bit slower. Even at elementary schools the groups are sometimes separated at age 10. I was lucky to be born a fast learner and had amazing teachers, but I saw some of the teachers of the 'normal' groups and eww, were they awful. Our schools in fact INCREASE inequalities, be that financial (private tutoring, extra classes) or geographical (some areas have way better schools, even my family considered moving so I can get better schooling, altough my gymnasium is still the best in the region).
Let's add that all the problems currently found in Hungarian education pertain to the state education system. This is not surprising, as teachers only need to comply with a bureaucratic set of rules and are not incentivized to ensure that parents and children are satisfied. Their salary does not depend on their excellence. All these problems would disappear if there were only private schools. However, the political power does not favor this because they would have much less legitimacy to take 55% of workers' income in the form of taxes.
Thank you for taking the time to explain that. So many similar problems with education in the US. Most of these are due to parents not willing to devote any time to helping their children be better students.
I had never thought of it, but you are right. Let me add some to the list: Janosz Bolyai (mathematician), Ignaz Semmelweis (physician), Erno Rubik (inventor), Hedy Lamarr (engineer and actress). Of those, only Lamarr was Jewish.
also tódor kármán if i know right he made great progress in cargo rockets, and the kármán line is named after him (100 km altitude where anywhere above is considered to be space)
Living in the US 4 forty some years observing the over 100,000 migrants from 1956 and their achievements… I always maintained Hungarians are at a higher intellectual level! During communism w/ all the negatives we indeed received awesome education that prepared us for successful lives.. there is a famous saying” a magyarok a jeg hatan is megelnek” Hungarians will survive even on an iceberg… and it’s so true… we are beautiful looking people and very creative hard workers blessed with sensational humor! So proud to be one of them.
You "always maintained Hungarians are at a higher intellectual level," in my opinion partly because of a selection bias and partly chauvinistic bias. I have lived in Hungary 30+ years. The people here are like people everywhere, no better, no worse. The culture has had some great successes, but in recent decades has made great mistakes. But I am glad you are proud of your people, because many people here are not. It is one of the big obstacles. A healthy patriotism, optimism and social cohesion are needed, not defeatism or unrealistic nationalism.
Hahaha taking credit for a small group of mainly Hungarian Jews and playing it off as if you are the same as them. "Hungarians are at a higher intellectual level" you sound like Hitler did. All modern day statistics prove otherwise.
The role of Hungarian physicists and mathematicians was legendary in the American Manhattan project (atomic physics, production of the atomic bomb) too. The number of Hungarian physics Nobel laureates is quite high. These were all related to brilliant discoveries. For example, the first Hungarian physics Nobel Prize went to Loránt Eötvös, who experimentally proved that inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same. This recognition also played a major role in Einstein's theory of relativity.
Eötvös didn't get a Nobel Prize! 1913-ban a Magyar Tudományos Akadémia felterjesztette Eötvöst a Nobel-díjra, de a Nobel-bizottság Heike Kamerlingh Onnes holland fizikusnak, a szupravezetés felfedezőjének adományozta.
Táto téma má mimoriadne zaujma, chodil som tiež do gymnázia avšak do slovenskej triedy, materský jazyk mám maďarčinu, jeden postreh. V susednej triede bol vyučovací jazyk maďarský, samozrejme sme spolu komunikovali , lenže oni boli vzdelanejší, už ako študent som si to uvedomoval. Maďarčina dokáže presnejšie, výstižnejšie pomenovať ani nie tak objekty ,ale skôr procesy, zároveň oni mali starých učiteľov a my mladších. Mnoho tých skutočne starých učiteľov študovalo ešte v medzivojnovom,vojnovom resp. krátko po vojne, proste to vedeli lepšie vysvetliť/ mnohí učili aj v našej slovenskej triede,/.
I think that title goes to Hindu Sanskrit. Already being used by NASA for their computer programs and others for AI. Precedes all languages being used today.
@@madmax6827 It's hard for me to blame the Hungarian government for being cynical about American foreign policy considering how little aid they received in their hour of need.
I am genuinely surprised how accurate was your research and i am more surprised how i didn't connect some of the dots before. I am Hungarian btw. Excellent video.
Speaking of martians. Teller Ede (father of hydrogen bomb) made a joke out of his name's english version referring to the martian label. Teller Ede's name in English is Edward Teller, and the monogram is E.T. just like the abbrevation of Extra Terrestrial. Coincidence? :D
I remember, when I went to elementary school in Budapest, we had a peasant girl, who always know everything the teacher asked, and a boy who questioned the teachers, cause he was smarter then them( everyone hated him, of course). And the smarters always helped the others in break! we like to share😊
There is nothing to see here, the Hungarians are Scythians, Huns and Avars, the sons and daughters of Nimrod, the grandchildren of Hunor and Magor... the high culture of these peoples is already manifested in the extraordinary language of the Magyars, this is where everything comes from, the linguistic expression, as well as the ancient runic writing of the Hungarians the basis of their high culture. ❤🤍💚
I live in Hungary.The culture is opressed,knowledge is underrated and hated.I think the reason of the many geniuses are surviving. People needed to survive,some of them became genius because of the periferic situations,they went to abroad,as Hungary never handled well it's people.
Keep in mind that in the ancient times the Huns & the Magyars had bad conflicts and sadly even bloody wars amongst each other! Consider their latest incident the István Contra Koppány historical events when in the meantime the magyar warlords were slaying down even the eurasian hunnic leaders in the steppes who didn't convert to the blasphemous religion of the cross. ☝😶🌫✝👎
@@RobiHu78 Indeed. A very young Kemeny was in Feynman's computation group at Los Alamos. And for some darn reason, it seems like Budapest is a genius factory, from von Neumann, Wigner, Teller, Szilard, von Karman, Lanczos, Erdos, ... the list seems unending.
Sziasztok én magyar vagyok nyugodtan fordítsátok le ezt a commentet Tényleg nagyon sok kulturális, nyelvi , társadalmi és étkezési érdekesség van ebben az országban valamint tényleg feltalálások sokasága is de annyira azért nem kell elszállni mert bőven vannak ebben az országban gondok , de ez igaz hogy mire a magyarok megértik a nyelvüket addigra egy általános agyi fejlettséget ér el hogy már nem kell annyit tanulniuk mint a többi nép gyerekeinek
not anymore lol, there aren't enough teachers so many times lessons are held by teachers not qualified for the subject (history teacher teaching literature for example)
It's a distress signal calling for a rescue attempt. I learnt that while I was a boy scout because we were going into deep countryside to earn our badges.
수천년간 박해를 당한 유대민족은 문화 학술 상업에 종사하면서 뛰어난 사람만 지속적으로 살아남고 안정적으로 살던 다른 민족보다 더 빠르게 지적자본을 창출한듯.우주에도 여러 지적생명체 민족이 있겠지만 혹독한 핵재앙 전염병테러 지적 시뮬레이션 테러 등등을 견디고 생명체 단위로 살아남았다면 뭐든지 할 수 있을거임.
Great topic, thank you! As a native Hungarian I think there are two main reasons my nation gave so many brilliant scientist and inventions to the world. First was the education, second was the language. As language in general it is not just a tool to express thoughts, but it's a world mapping model as well. Everyone thinks in a language, it 'wires' the brain according to the logic of the given language. Along with other languages Hungarian is an agglutinating and inflexing language, it's not analytical but analogical. Although this language is written in latin characters, it's not based on those, and uses 6 consonant groups according to the place of sound production. Consonants are the main carriers of meaning of each word. Some physical phenomenons works perfectly in Hungarian, for example: The Doppler effect - 'itt' 'ide' 'erre' (here, to this place) has only high vowels, while 'ott' 'oda' 'arra' (there, to that place) has only low vowels. Light science basics - several basic words are noun and verb in the same form - vár (wait/castle), világ (world/light), él (exist/edge), fog (catch/tooth) and so on. The logic of Hungarian language easily explains some theological questions too, for example, if God is almighty, how can evil exist? In Hungarian, God is 'Isten', and devil is 'Sátán'. Both words consist of the same consonants with different level of vowels. Yes, Isten consists only high vowels, Sátán has only low vowels. Using this ascertainment, we can get to the conclusion God and devil might exist paralelly, but we must not consider their existence as a static thing, but -as life itself- as a dynamic relation: Using the Doppler effect approach here, when someone is getting closer to the source of creation (God) then will see God. And when someone moves away from this source, will face devil. Okay, now a tribute to some of the Hungarian inventors other than those mentioned in the video: Safety matches - János Irinyi Dynamo, Electric motor - Ányos Jedlik Ball pen - László Bíró Transformator - Miksa Déri, Ottó Bláthy, Károly Zipernowsky Telephone exchange - Tivadar Puskás Vitamin C, Ascorbic acid - Albert Szentgyörgyi Holography - Dénes Gábor Rubik's cube - Ernő Rubik Design of Ford T-Model - József Galamb Basic medical disinfection - Ignác Semmelweis ...
Nagyszerű gondolatok! Valószínűleg csak kevesen értik, amiket leírtál, és annál kevesebben érzik a fontosságát. Nem a magyar nyelv, hanem a világ működésének a szempontjából.
We’re well aware he was American (and did a video about him). The point was to show he was one of the main scientists on the manhattan project but I can see how it was made to look like we meant he was foreign
In simple word, that means Manhattan project race was compitition between Hungarian scientists vs German scientists. And finally, Hungarian scientists won the race. 🤔
Missed a step between the death of the emperor and the appear of Horthy. A few months of jewish led communism in Hungary, which became extremely unpopular, partially because of the tortures. Horthy was the less radical option than the right wings rising from being opposition to commies, who were cruel as much as the hungarian jewish soviets.
Of all the people mentioned in this video, I found only 1 not being Jewish: Laszlo Racz. Wikipedia states his mother was a Danube German. Also, his surname suggests that his paternal lineage was Serbian (Racz is the old Hungarian word for a Serb).
So , they were Jews from Austria-Hungary ! 😂😂😂 For your info , when Hungarians learned that they are not even more than 50% in their own country , they started the politic of Magyarization of the other ethnicities . First to be Magyarized , were the Jews which accounted for 5% of the population by the end of 19th century . So the Hungarians claimed to be 54% of the population .
@@seaman5705 Very true. Let's not forget that Magyarization was preceded by Germanization by about half a century and has already influenced the Jews who changed their names to fit the society. Interestingly, Germans counted over 50% in the population of Budapest. Later, the number of Jews in Budapest increased to some 23% before Magyarization took place. Here's a particularly interesting quote from Wiki which sheds some light to what's been said in the video: By 1910 about 900,000 religious Jews made up approximately 5% of the population of Hungary and about 23% of Budapest's citizenry. Jews accounted for 54% of commercial business owners, 85% of financial institution directors and owners in banking, and 62% of all employees in commerce,[105] 20% of all general grammar school students, and 37% of all commercial scientific grammar school students, 31.9% of all engineering students, and 34.1% of all students in human faculties of the universities. Jews were accounted for 48.5% of all physicians,[72] and 49.4% of all lawyers/jurists in Hungary.
@@seaman5705 well i dont think so. They are talented, but not so talented in most of the countries. Btw talent is not enough at all, the environment, luck is more important. One example: the 7 million jws in Israel produced only some Olympic gold medals. Hungary produced almost 200, and there were some jwish winners. Some of them won 3 or even 5 gold medals. They could never do that in Israel.
Belive me, we have no normal people. Everyone is either really intelligent or a complete idiot. At least these are the types of people I've met. The funny thing is, you can almost immediatly tell who is which by simply asking them some basic questions about mathematics, physics, anatomy or basically anything. I once met a guy who would bet his life that the biggest 2 digit odd number was 11 and took him several seconds to reboot after I explained quote "thats the smallest" end quote. We don't like each other to this day.
@@Caduceus444 That is true, I also noticed that having been to other places all over the world. Hungary doesn't have "average" people, only very smart or very stupid ones. One theory I've heard was that after the Nazis drove out a large part of the "business minded people"', the communists did their best wipe out the rest of the middle class.
Nonsense, myth, hülyeség. I started learning Hungarian at the age of 26, rather a late start, but I was fluent within a few years and now I speak it like a native. How hard can it be?
It is worth to take a look for some of these "hungarian" scientist. Neumann, Teller, Semmelweis, Ulmann... Szilárd leó ( born name: Spitz Leo), Richter Gedeon, and a lot more.. Half of them are jewish and/or german origin.
Almost all of them are Jewish and have been educated in western universities. All of them are from a small, enlightened urban circle that existed before WW2 in Hungary. Interesting also that on one hand side they are called the Hungarian heroes but also looked down as the internationalists by Hungarians.
Teller was proud Hungarian until his death. Their Jewish origin was not really important , and they never forget where they came from, as well as their mother tongue, what they used as "secret code" to trick the secret services of the US.
The video ommitted the brutal, short-lived Communist dictatorship in Hungary in 1919 whose leaders were mostly Jews. The "White Terror" in 1920 under Admiral Horthy was retribution because of the "Red Terror" under the Communist regime.
1:28 Just a quick clarification: Szilárd Leó was never a student of the Mintagimnázium (now known as ELTE Trefort Ágoston Gyakorló Gimnázium). He studied at the VI.th district Főreáliska. However, other brilliant students such as Tódor Kármán and Pál Heim studied at the Mintagimnázium. I know this because I also graduated from this prominent high school, and some of the rooms are named after these distinguished alumni. :)
@bdpv02 Thanks for reminding me. Back in the day, the region and surrounds produced people many who left Europe and pioneered the next breakthroughs to influence every branch of knowledge. There was the great János Bolyai developer of Absolute Geometry. The Great Carl Friedrich Gauss even praised this mathematician.
I'm hungarian and always appreciate when people in other countries acknowledge the greatness of our nation 🇭🇺❤️ Especially because not many people in the world is aware of our achievements and inventions that the world is using every day Thank you for this video 🙏😇
Back then, we spent our time adventuring and waiting for the other peoples to catch up with us. The Greeks were quite clever, we let them have a little success. Then we built the rubik's cube, which is a structure even more mysterious than the atomic bomb :D:D:D
wait wait wait. ive always been fantasizing of a fictional scenario where in a world where most advanced knowledge is already discovered, they kind of allow scholars to go through discovering past discoveries themselves. your telling me this is an actual thing done for an actual schools in hungary? holy shit! well not including the whole "all advanced knowledge is already known" part. but developing students in this way is just is wild!
@@michaelrenper796 modern education? most education ive only ever known is all about memorization, and condescendingly telling a student "you should know all this" or when i was a kid trying my best to understand algebra in highschool crying a teacher who had 1 hour per 5 day to be able to help that one crying kid who clearly wanted to understand what they were reading. and all one needed to understand shit was well... an 10 minute khan academy video on youtube. if there is one thing i learned in highschool its to advance study before a teacher even teaches it in classroom because my teachers were shit. and that advanced study wasn't like that whole "discover it on our own" like is explained in this video. it was just me writing my own syllabus. so i knew before hand what i should be studying. worst part is i like learning, but highschool just tries its best to make it as much of a drag and as much of a torture as it can. college on the other hand? hell yeah! i got to chose to pace myself, and the instructors were alot more chill. i actually got to learn most of math, algebra, trig, history, etc. college is great! sorry for the rant, my highschool experience just fills me with infuriation. feel free to skip tbh...
@@rememberme5784 i assume this is a question for @michaelrenper796? if your asking me im just as surprised with the video to learn that its a thing about hungary so otherwise i have no clue.
Foreigners also used to say to us Hungarians: We are the last to enter the revolving door, but we are the first to exit. We have much cruder inventions than these, but our people are exhausted and many smart people have left the country. The communists even urged the departure of the elite. Ede Teller, the father of the atomic bomb, taught atomic physics in Hungarian at university in America because there were no English words. And the first students learned Hungarian. Then, at the age of 90+, Teller said on a visit to Hungary that the students learned atomic physics easily with the help of the Hungarian language, they just got involved in learning the Hungarian language. Our most wonderful invention is the Hungarian language. The whole world envied us. Stone Age language. There is nothing like it.
The Hungarian language is very old and beautiful, although it is very difficult to learn. A well-educated person has a very large vocabulary, of course this is not common. They want to break into us all the time, like a horse, we don't allow it and that's why many people are angry with us. Most of our country was stolen after the war, so we keep the rest, but very much! Even compared to foreign universities, our university education is very good, many foreign students study at our universities.
Hungarian university education is not as good as the better foreign ones. And "many foreign students study at our universities" is meaningless. Where are they from? And how many foreign students study at British or French or Italian universities?
As I wrote in another comment a month ago: "...the Einstein-Szilard letter from August 1939 didn't cause much action in the US. The immediate consequences were a relatively small research program. In fact, it was the Frisch-Peierls memorandum from March 1940 (which in historical review already contained the schematic of a blueprint for the gun-type design of the atomic bomb) which led to the activity of the MAUD committee and the Tube Alloys project in the UK later on, way before the start of the Manhattan project. And it was Mark Oliphant (a guy from Australia, who was a member of the MAUD committee and who then primarily worked on the new RADAR technology, and who finally got lucky to have Rudolf Peierls sitting nearby in the same building (who could solve one or two difficult problems for Oliphant - despite the fact that Peierls and Frisch didn't posses security clearance at that time ;-)) visiting the US in August 1941 who reminded the scientific community in the US about the existence of the MAUD committee report. That report had been sent to the US before, but Lyman Briggs (director of the US Uranium Committee) had put that report into his safe. And had not shown it to any member of his own committee. There was meeting then on 26th of August 1941 with Mark Oliphant and the Uranium Committee to discuss the issue. Finally, Oliphant met with his friend Ernest Lawrence on September 23th in Berkeley, where Lawrence did receive a copy of the Frisch-Peierls memorandum. And Lawrence then informed Robert Oppenheimer to check the figures. But this it not the end of the story. Mark Oliphant convinced Ernest Lawrence to convert his 37-inch cyclotron into a giant mass spectrometer for electromagnetic isotope separation. So, in the end, it was some guy from Australia and not the the (first) Einstein-Szilard letter who caused the action. ..."
Under the Horty government Jews were not discriminated. That changed only after the German occupation of Hungary called operation Margarethe Even then, the government was able to delay the deportation of Jews and was able to give many of them enough time to leave the country. However, the German Nazi occupiers imposed the deportations and before that discriminating laws.
You are completely ignorant. The Numerus Clausus law was enacted in 1920 and discrimination continued through the 20s and 30s. Anti-Jewish Laws (1938-1942) were passed by Horthy's government years before the German occupation in 1944. Szégyeld magad!
They were discriminated. Horthy had to apply the anti-jew laws, because if they didn't, the German occupation of Hungary would have happened years sooner, resulting in a lot more fatalities within the country and the deportation of nearly all the jews. But yes, Horthy delayed their deportation as long as he could, and as a result, when the German occupation happened, the Germans and the nazi Nyilas party had no time to deport all of them, because the Soviet occupation came soon and "freed" Hungary.
@@mrnmrn1 Don't make excuses for Horthy. I hear all the talk about the great strong Hungarian nation and Horthy was a strong leader, yet he bowed to external pressure to commit atrocities. AND, the first anti-Jewish law was in 1920. Yes, 1920. Were the Germans threatening to invade then? No, Horthy made all those laws because he and his supporters wanted to.
@@urbangorilla33 I don't make excuses to him. I know the first anti-Jewish law came in power well before the German threat. But discrimination of Jewish people was unforunately relatively common worldwide until ~ the first quarter of the 20th century. Even in the US, AFAIK. That's not an excuse, I know, and discrimination is not the same as having actual written rules against their rights, that was probably not too common outside nazi Germany. It was the second anti-Jewish law that caused the jewish population to lose almost all their rights, wear the yellow star, and eventually getting collected and held in ghettos. And this law was already created under nazi pressure. All I said if Horthy hasn't applied this disgusting second anti-Jewish law, things for the Hungarian Jewish population could have turned a lot worse a lot sooner, due to the German occupation of Hungary happening years earlier. In the beginning, even for a short time after the second law came in power, they even let them to leave the country, so a lot of them could flee to western Europe or the US or anywhere. And the nazi leaders of Germany were not satisfied with the rate of deportations from Hungary, so Horthy indeed delayed that as much as he could. So the Horthy government might have been more or less antisemite, but Horthy did not want the Jewish population to be deported and killed. If that would be false, he would have been found guilty at the Nurenberg trials, where he wasn't even a suspect. I suggest to read the article about Horthy by Rabbi Moshe Goldstein. Even a lot of Hungarian Jews have supported Horthy after WW II. I think that tells a lot.
All of these so called historical documentaries when talking about Jewish discrimination in Europe never really tell the real reason why Jews were so hated, they weren’t so hated if not for them fermenting communist Revolutions in various places in Europe including Germany prior to Hitler coming to power. No one can say that Hitler was not a dictator, but his rise to power was a reaction to Jewish revolutionary activities. So much of the history we have learned in school were all written by the victor.
I think this is true for the Austrian-Hungarian empire rather than any particular region. Of course the big cities will have attracted the biggest talent. Of course due to WWII a lot of the non-Austrian didn't stick around and migrated to the US where they were funded, encouraged and paired with the brightest minds
Except for two (Ratz and Heisenberg), each and every scientist mentioned in this video was Jewish (although some converted to Christianity). It wasn't the education system, it's just that Hungary had one of the largest Jewish communities in Europe at the time (I know the video mentions this factor, but it makes it seems like there are others with equal significance)
Thank you, was about to say that. Just looking at the Nobel prize laureates, you see a lot of full or partial Ashkenazi Jewish background, with the Slavic / Germanic / Finno-Ugric component being almost coincidental in that equation
@@pikiwiki That's a great question and I wonder about it myself. I'm assuming the video is meant to appeal to the Hungarian viewers or those of Hungarian descent. We should ask the content creator!
This may be a little off-topic, but about Admiral Miklós Horthy, I would like to note that there is still no consensus in Hungary about his role in our history. Many (mainly on the political left) condemn him and many (on the poltical right) think of him as some kind of a hero. After the first world war, Hungary was at the edge of collapsing and got severely mutilated, I think we should be grateful that our country even survived. In such times strong leaders can be a blessing. Don't misunderstand me, I don't think the maker of this video portrayed Horthy unfairly, but I am afraid he appears here as too much of a negative person in the eyes of those who hear of him for the first time.
Very interesting. However, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the map used at the start of this video (0:18) was the post-Trianon (Treaty in 1920)/ present day territory of Hungary, and not its original territorial size which predates WWI and the formation of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. One of the main reasons that there seem to be so many scientific minds packed into to so small an area, is because they congregated and resided mainly in Budapest (given the location of their universities), especially after more than 2/3 rds of Hungary's population was locked outside of its borders following the Trianon Treaty.
Amazing video. I've had this very conversation with friends regarding higher education for years now. You owe a great deal to that type of foundation your education system builds for its students.
Permit me a "yes, but..." This system is lasered in on the top achievers. What becomes of the "also rans"? In North America we expend most of our educational resources on low achievers and socially deviant types. This yields a better educated lower class while the high achievers are starved for resources. Hungary has a relatively homogeneous population, but still one notes that the scientists often have Germanic surnames, not Magyar.
@@jkoysza1 that is an excellent point. I don't know what the homogeneity of the population has to do with the success rate of the applied approach. One might also point out the disproportionately high number of high performing students of Jewish ancestry. I think the best approach is one that shifts the mean after having excluded the outliers. As far as I can see, the US system doesn't do that at all. It seems to bet heavily on obtaining talent from all over the world, not producing excellence from it's own talent pool. Thank you for the response all the same.
Not only are we great in science, but we are also excelling in sports. Hungary has always been very successful at the Olympics as well, winning the most gold medals based on population.
A bit of a slight rewrite about how in open arms America was to Jews in the ww1-ww2 era. Jews were still very much discriminated at the time. Including universities. Maybe renowned scientists could have some weight. But students were not given places at prestigious universities. MIT has such an output of notable Jewish alumni because they weren't able to get into Harvard.
In 1995, a Japanese delegation came to my hungarian middle school to observe how chemistry is taught in Hungary, because they wanted to copy it exactly and adopt it in Japan. We were this good. Especially during the 70s-90s, hungarian chemistry was the cutting edge of the world. Around half of the kids from prestigious middle schools became teachers, getting accepted into the Teacher Institutions was as hard as getting accepted as a medical student. And now we have came to a point where thousands of children don't have a chemistry teacher. To "solve" this, our beloved government took out Chemistry, Physics, Geography, and Biology from the Curriculum, and added "science" as a subject, at 2 lessons/week. Before, these subject had 8-12 lessons/week combined, for every kid in middle school. Now they get 2.
@@a_commandos2327 igen, utana szakmunkasban meg csak termeszettudomanyt, heti 2 oraban. Sima gimnaziumban meg van mind a 4, de ott se nagyon van tanar aki tanitsa. A legszarabb altalanosban a helyzet, anno kozepsuliban biosz-kemia szakra jartam, egesz osztaly helyett a mienk volt az elso fel osztaly, mivel a suli behozta a 6 evfolyamod gimit. Nalunk meg volt rendes kemiatanar, rendes 8 evfolyamos altalanosban mar Debrecenben sem nagyon. Egesz Nógrád megyeben elvileg 1db altalanos iskolai kemiatanar van
Great video, there are 2 inaccuracies that needs correction though. 1. The map you are showing is incorrect. Within the Austria-Hungary map, you are showing the map of current day Hungary (1920-Present), not the Kingdom of Hungary (895-1920) that would have been accurate for the time period. 2. Horthy did not persecute the Jewish people. After the Germans got rid of Horthy and began to occupy Hungary, they put a new, Nazi-friendly leadership in effect that began the persecution of the Jewish people.
It is not about either Hungary, Göttingen in Germany in past or USA in today, it 's all about either Jewish descendants or not. It's true that there are so many non-jewish great scientists. But this is atleast true for most theoretical scientists. Today a major reason for USA to become the hub in scientific creation not because Americans are inherently intelligent, but immigration of Europian Jews from Europe to USA amidst WW2. Just search the background of greatest living theoretical physicsts like Wittten , Glashow , Weinberg[recently died] , Susskind ,Alan Guth , David Gross etc; They all are Americans by the nationality. But they all have Jewish roots.
Ya this is kinda funny how it talks about Hungarian scientists but missing the fact that majority of them (and definitely the most prominent) were Jewish, which is why there was also a mass of prominent Jewish scientists in Germany, Austria, Swiss and many more European countries
@@Marcelgrossman 'most theoretical scientists' doesn't mean everyone. Most countries have atleast one or two elite level scientists even though they are not jewish. But compared to #nobels,field ,Abel and other medals / total population anyone can realize jewish laurettes/ Jewish population much higher than the british Laurettes / british population. [Small correction. Darwin is a biologist and Hawking is not in the elite level of Einstein , Heisenberg etc; even though general public compare him to Einstein.
I’m half Hungarian and half Saxon(Austrian) born in Siebenburgen but lived a bit more than 2/3 of me life in Colorado. Leo Szilard . Proper pronounciation is if you just say it like Silard .
It was a pleasure to see this short video about Hungarian scientists, thank you! Anyway, a few things need to be corrected. 1. As far as I know, phrase "Martians" was used exclusively for Hungarian immigrant scientists, not all.Hungarian language was totally unfamiliar and strange for American ears (contrary to German and Italian), hence the phrase. 2. Hungary's borders at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Emipre were not the same as today; the country was almost 3 times bigger and was truncated only after WW1, when the Austro-Hungarian Empire was annihilated. For the correct map click here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary#/media/File:Austria-Hungary_map_new.svg 3. The video suggests that Horthy and the Hungarian right-wing government started to persecute Jews, and that's why they left the country, and then the continent. This is pretty far from the truth. Actually, there were some anti-jew decrees, namely the so called "Numerus clausus" - limiting the share of university students of jewish origin. It was revoked in 1928, and it is not to confuse with harsh anti-semitic deprivations of rights came to force under German demand in the late 30's and in the 40's. (Similar policies were introduced at several US universities between 1918 and 1950.) These Hungarian geniuses with Jew origin left the country devastated by war and unjust peace treaty first for better education (German/American universities), then for better jobs (USA), and finally because the existential threat from the nazi Germany. Before this final stage they were free and happy to visit their motherland. Edward Teller's family suffered under the short communist coup in 1919, therefore he developed implacable dislike towards communism. 4. It is not mentioned that Hungarian language was a great driving force of better understanding and thinking, according to Teller and others. Teller told that he should have had three heads to figure out everything he achieved if his mother tongue hadn't been Hungarian.
