Here's why some of San Francisco's formerly unhoused people set up tents and frequent the streets even after they find housing. abc7ne.ws/4ahHYR9 #sanfrancisco #unhoused #housing #bayarea #abc7news
Housing is BS. Until the people on the street get help for mental illness and addiction, housing does not matter. We have this all backwards. Instead of building section 8 housing, build great mental health institutions and addiction facilities. Stop spending millions upon millions on housing or temp. Housing that does not work. Spend the money for treatment and work up from there ..a job and then housing.
@@415_Stand-upyou don’t mind drug encampments that are cluttered with trash and often used to SA unhoused women? Those tents are r@pe and fire hazards.😢
@lyndsay4153 no they are not lol they are drug tents before they had drug houses but Biden told them it is OK to openly buy and consume drugs even offers them cases of free needles in each case there are 100 needles and you can get multiple cases in a day
This is why housing first doesn’t work. Some of these people choose this lifestyle because of drugs, mental illness and just a desire for freedom from societal norms. They don’t want structure, a job, responsibilities, etc. The woman who was talking about community has a point and she’s right. But this is a waste of resources. And what homeless person is driving a BMW? Yes it’s a 2008 but this homeless woman has a newer car than me and I’m working full time struggling to pay rent.
a 2008 bmw 535i might have been twice as much as a 2008 honda civic when they were new but now all these years later the used civic costs twice as much. Maybe it is because every 100k miles the bmw's subframe has to come out for a turbo service costing around $4000. But 2008 hondas dont even have turbos nevermind 2 of them and the new ones that do have one cost only a couple of grand for service. In general luxury cars end up being cheap because most used car buyers are rightfully scared of the luxurious features failing. They even mentioned the bmw was towed away when it broke down.
The TL flourished when the Vietnamese came in the 80s. Then Black Tar came. The SF Weekly had an article about a new start up millionaire who started doing heroin "recreationally" on weekends.
They have taken advantage of Government Payment/Care. They knew how to work the System. Everything given to them they will abuse it. Why do we keep on allowing them to live in despair & continue helping them with their addictions.
that dog she has with her is shared with the homeless in the castro and is used when they go out breaking into apartments as a look out , happened at my building , she's a junkie who's been on the streets in the castro for over 10 years ,
I get the statement "don't feed the pidgeons" but didn't we bring the birds to domestic level then throw them out? What do I know tho? 🤔 I don't want to compare homeless people to animals
People tend to stay where their friends/acquaintances are. If you give someone a home but nothing to do, they're going to go back to where they had social interaction.
@@chasingsunsets87it is hard to respect a drug addict who will not help themselves and receives everything for free, all the supplies needed to continue their drug addicted lifestyle
@@chasingsunsets87these people aren’t their friends. They’re drug buddies and I can assure you they’ll screw each other over in a heartbeat for drugs or money. Addiction makes people do some pretty horrible things.
I know right? I see so many abused dogs with people using on the street. Particularly pit Bull breeds being pulled by the neck, hit, yelled at, etc. Whenever I confront the abuser-who’s always an older male, they turn on me and get in my face and threaten to beat me. I don’t care, I’ll still say something and make an attempt to get their dog a safe place to live away from their abuser.
Sf has the best welfare system , every homeless person needs to head for SF. Someone mentioned In Oregon, people on public assistance has to sweep the streets or actually do some work to get paid.
Why do these people (news, gov officials, etc) keep calling it a tricky situation? It's not. Start serving the people that are paying the taxes. Change the laws, so you can't camp in public places. Put them in jail for littering. Streets get clean and the city revitalizes. San Francisco is a decade away from being a decade away from becoming a visit-able city.
If they are willingly to work, they won’t have time to “hang around “ their neighborhood. They used to say that no one would hire them because they were homeless, now they are not homeless and they still don’t want to work. They don’t have to pay tax and just take in benefits.
Good job on the follow up. Most are utilizing their SRO's. Those around me in Mission tried the tiny home and still go to the streets. They do not shower and go to the library or other places they go back to Tenderloin next to United Nations building on McCalister or across from the Main Library on Grove or Hayes. I walk through there a couple of times a month and run into characters passing by City Hall. Gubio Project has too much community in our area and has been problematic on 15th at Johns Episcopal Church.
Unbelievable. People who obey the laws, function in society without being a menace, work to live a modest life in this state, and people who don't do anything of substance, reap all the benefits. What's the point?
A Housing Agency was instrumental in shortening the hours of an adjoining convience store so as not to turn the residence into a wet hotel. Noise level drops because less bs goes down in the Parking Lot.
My 'program' is contingent on my having a medical problem. I have hep c. Took the medicine and I'm grateful. But St. Paul keeps making appts. For stuff I don't want or need.I'm working, and am in recovery. It's lonely all these addicts here. I'm in San Diego.
I'm in Southern California and in my community there's a clearly mentally ill woman who walks around with a shopping cart and seems homeless. She's sometimes seen in stores drinking alcohol - I've seen her at Target sitting in the Starbucks drinking alcohol she stole. There's been calls to help get her housing, but she's actually in the care of a family member who works so during the day - she leaves the house and wanders around. When her family member gets home from work, he goes and finds her. This whole "housing first" plan really doesn't address the problems of essentially the mentally ill who lack adequate care.
Part of the contract for the housing is that you don't go back are you lose it, someone who's not wiped out on drugs really would like the place. Using drugs on the street should lead you into incarceration for a long enough time to end the active addiction.
Its called rules, these people don't want to live somewhere that has rules. These people live on the street by choice sometimes and we just need to accept it. We can force them off the street but thats a slippery slope. We can't use force but asking them nicely to not be homeless is what we do. I think we need to be nice but after no other choices we should force it.
If you housed 20,000 people within 2 years, another 20,000 people would show up expecting to be housed. When would it end? No one has a right to live in San Francisco anymore than people have a right to live in Beverly Hills or a right to drive a Rolls Royce. Most homeless people in San Francisco were homeless already in other States and cities throughout the United States. No one leaves a house or apartment in Cleveland to live in a tent in San Francisco. These people were homeless before they landed in San Francisco.
4:33 Correct. When your housed bin your tarps. You had no privacy on the streets. Then you get housed. You rediscover You. You are no longer THEM. Cops "Look at THEM!" Read your lease. Get your paperwork in order. Keep in contact with your housing support staff.
At a coffee shop on Telegraph I learned that the bathroom was out of order. The entire bowl was smashed. Went to another shop. Offered the staff a tip to use that one. Purchase Only. Was I mad. No I was glad. Because my hunch was correct. BPD was not anchored their as a substation but supporting the owner. ZT. Zero Tolerance. RR requires purchase. No wiggle room.
But even when you remove them from the environment of the Tenderloin and give them housing elsewhere, some of them still go back to living on the streets of the Tenderloin just to be near the drugs and dealers. I saw an interview with a guy living on the streets in the Tenderloin who explained that people do that. The people don't like being too far from the drugs. They are so addicted that they rather sleep on the hard sidewalk in the Tenderloin than sleep in their bed with a roof over them on the other side of the city. San Francisco (and other West Coast cities) needs to take a hard stance/tough love and start requiring people to attend and participate in services and enforcing the laws instead of letting people do whatever they want.
In order to get prepared to be housed you must get sober. Suppressing the social instinct helps jettison the lower companions. The next thing is to remember that the apartment you retain is for you only. There is no such thing as a good guest. A good guest in a case I know of had warrants. So the US Marshalls came. Let the surrounding neighbors create the infractions. Like loud music. If you listen to music use headphones. In Public Housing keep to yourself. The people who came in from the street often keep practicing the destructive behavior inside. Hippies in the Haight found out togetherness leads to crabs, clap, unplanned pregnancies. 4th class mail like soap samples and Kwell used to get thrown into the streets by the post office. It spared the carriers the weight. Also spared them from picking up bed bugs and lice.
The human clumps on the sidewalks get used as ancillas for the unhappy campers in front of Sproul. Michael Bulawaroy said where there are street vendors there are homeless. Perhaps the commode was smashed to deny the People's Park Security Ops a close clean Rest Room.
Good story. I was homeless in my twenties in Boston. There is a community and it's very non-judgmental. Most people with substance abuse issues have childhood trauma and problematic families. There is increasing loneliness in society. The lack of community is a major reason people turn back to drugs and alcohol.
Building a better bay area can be tough. The 311 networks are great. Yet with regard to noise reports/request it must be non tenant/non neighbor/ generated. Construction noise is a valid request. With the dual residence behavior sidewalk/housing I reflect on an incident from the early 90s in Berkeley. A throng of individuals in their 30s were discussing their itinerary for a Sunday in SF. They were animated, enthusiastic, but not hollerin!hollering! The tenant above opened the curved window and firmly stated it was unacceptable. The throng went to SF, maybe Pork Store off to movie Arboretum. Yet complied with the residents request. Sartre came up with the notion when you are alone in the park. The park is no longer available to you. In the illustration in Sartre for Beginners both parties in the park are housed and employed. The notion that sidewalk with former companions is a tonic for the isolation of the newly housed is residue in the compassion apparatus of homeless experts. Compassion was a prime mover in entering the field yet it occludes the focus needed to implement what kept homelessness and its city destroying knock on effects from bleaching cities like coral reefs. Pouring water on homeless man bad. Letting the newly housed reclaim the sidewalk twice as bad.
It must be noted that 311 covers a great deal of the categories. However as to tenant/party generated noise it seems not to. The number of noise complaint/dumping reports concentrated one square kilometer from my location makes such a tight pattern that it would be rated sharpshooter if a target. After examining the 311 map there are these problems in Montclair, Temescal, etc. El Cerrito, Albany seem to be spared from this I'll. I will be reading San Fransicko today. It is a professional treatment by an expert on what I have experienced&observed of the evolution of the ills that Progressives have wrought. A basic text as indispensable as Knight's modern seamanship is to the mariner.
"somewhoa disconcerting" "and confusing" And also completely foreseen by non californians. Every one of their homeless spending sprees changes nothing.
So this is a cautionary tale for America. This is the same phenomenon of being institutionalized where upon release, you would be most comfortable in a system that is familiar. Let this be the warning that if we (America) allow millions of people to live outside foraging for food, they will develop a culture that will become as American as baseball and apple pie.
Most people are also hanging out and socializing with other people 8-10 hours a day. It's called a fkng job. They hang out at there so they can afford to live in unsubsidized housing in San Francisco.
The Bay Area was better…before. The city was better…before. In only 20 years, it’s been destroyed by its own citizens. The rich build higher gates and enclosure, the middle class leave and the poor laugh all the way from the TL to the Haight to the Castro. Who wins? Landowners and landlords. Raking in those millions upon millions of dollars. As an aside, can anyone tell me what the difference between a homeless person and an unhoused person is? Except for making someone feel a little less guilty about stepping them over as they go to work?
Why doesn’t the city communicate and work with Denmark and Sweden on the homeless treatment and transition effort? A human being becomes homeless because of a variety of factors . Many of which lead to mental health issues by being in the ‘street’ world . Sweden has entire buidl8ngs built around community engagement. The residents are required to attend treatment and counseling for jobs ..they are required to participate in their expense payment . There are offered social activities , art classes, gym, cooking classes , education, specialized training .. how is SF a supposed city of exceptional leaders if you don’t even know how to raise children (which is what homeless individuals go back to on the streets ). You have to provide all the basic training , feeding, housing , engagement that you would a teenager . They lose all those skills and adult has (or most do ) when they enter the streets . All they know is hunger, disrespect , loneliness, depression and hunting for bathrooms and shelter . When I was 16 I would sometimes sleep in my car rather than face my abusive fundamentalist father .. the basics were finding cheap food. A safe place to park , and not freezing to death . I didn’t think about tomorrow. It was just surviving the night
But you said the key word that cities on the West Coast are scared of.....'required". They don't want to require anyone to do anything. Reno dramatically improved it's homeless situation (probably by at least 80%) by enforcing the laws and requiring people to attend and participate.
Besides the hosing, they need to be re integrated with work and things to do. Be useful to society They give them housing and nothing to do? Part of being part of society is to contribute . So the city needs job programs
You guys just don't understand when people have mental disabilities and they've lived that kind of life style for that long a period of time. It's hard to adjust to a normal life like the rest of us. It is taking me still. I'm on my 4-year in my apartment and I still find myself outside of my apartment sitting until it gets dark pretty much. I'm not mentally disabled but I am emotionally attached to what I was used to and that's the problem people have today even the elderly. Regardless, if they're homeless or not, people have a hard time accepting change. They don't like it unfortunately
Instead of sitting outside until it gets dark, why not get a job during the day? There must be something you can do for work or is it easier to just get free stuff from the city and taxpayers?
You can do that same bullshit in a different city!! Move these homeless to the central valley, they shouldnt ruin a wonderful/important city. They can still exist with some compassion somewhere else. They dont HAVE to be in LA or SF. Those locations are LUXURIES
They only been on streets a few months lol but cool story lol said long periods of time don't believe a drug addict when they tell you they been on streets for years I have been homeless 26 years straight in sf all these people are from out of state and drug addicts
I think it is weird to be singling someone out and stalking them like that. I pretty sure if they were in a different tax bracket they wouldnt be doing that.
