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Why stereo amplifiers have gain 

Paul McGowan, PS Audio
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A power amplifier is a fixed gain device. Whatever signal you put in a much larger one comes out and that amount is determined by the amp's gain. How and why are gains set at a specific level and why do PS Audio amplifiers have relatively higher gains than other amplifiers? Have a question for Paul? Go to www.psaudio.com/ask-paul/ and ask your question.

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@greglee7759
@greglee7759 6 лет назад
Thanks again, Paul. Great video! Learning a lot. :)
@isettech
@isettech 5 лет назад
In commercial audio, the gain structure is a little different. For the best signal to noise ratio, the mixer or signal source is run at full line level regardless of the venue power or speaker driver requirements. For example in an indoor room such as a reception, a lower level is required than for an outdoor field concert. The console or program source is always run at the same level so the headroom remains in place and the noise level is the same in relation to the signal so the signal to noise ratio is not altered. For the venue, different power amps require differing amounts of gain to accept the unified nominalized signal and amplify them at differing amounts based on amp power rating and adjustable for the venue requirements. A reception with background level music so people could comfortably talk and visit often would include a guitar and singer or piano that needs to carry with the help of the sound system as well as support the emcee. A low wattage amp or a larger amp turned down is the best mix. Turning the console way down because an amp can't attenuate the input results in low signal but full amplifier noise level from the console output line driver. Attenuation of the signal at the amp attenuates the signal to performance level requirements while also attenuation of the noise level is automatic. If the venue wishes a dance to party to afterwards the console remains at the same nominal signal level, but the amplifiers are adjusted for the new performance level. On a console the advantages are many, including uniform channel trims for cueing up music, pre fade listen for trimming levels for a new speaker or performer, and use of the VU meters to prevent volume creep during the performance. In high end home audio, the venue does not change, but the event often changes from general atmosphere background for relaxing or working, to the high impact demo of the system with the full symphony with live cannons. To eliminate attenuators from the amp is only practical when the system noise level is extremely low to be silent to the point the hard drive in your laptop is louder. Another advantage of attenuation in a commercial setting is peak power limiting in feedback or other accident conditions. With a fixed gain amp, a feedback event would run to the limit of the power rating of the amp into clipping. With an attenuator, in smaller venues, a feedback event is instead limited by the headroom of the console to no more than 18 DB over program level. This saves drivers and hearing. A good amp design instead of simply using an input attenuator could vary the amount of negative feedback to change the gain. If you design with op amps, you know reducing the gain lowers the noise and increases the frequency response as well as reducing distortion. A few commercial amplifiers have a true gain control instead of an input attenuator. These do not turn down to zero as the lowest they can go is to unity gain. These are not very common as most people in sound prefer a control that goes to zero and don't understand gain controls that don't.
@arthurpug
@arthurpug Год назад
brilliant, thanks
@finscreenname
@finscreenname Год назад
According to my QSC's (adjustable) I'm running their gains at 21db. Would much rather have plenty of power while being able to pull the gains back. Then play with fine tuning the gains with my EQ.
@1mctous
@1mctous 6 лет назад
I can attest that a 40 dB MM phono preamp works quite well straight into a volume pot with no line stage.
@tpock63
@tpock63 Год назад
What about early McIntosh SS amps for example the MC2105 it is not integrated but has Vol. gain controls
@gino3286
@gino3286 6 лет назад
Thanks again for all these excellent videos. I have Always wondered why the sensitivity of power amps is so high. Most of them give full power with 1V input. I would place more of the gain in the line preamps. Looking some lab tests a lot of high quality line preamps have no problem in putting out even 10V with very low distortion. Even 20V sometimes. In this way the power amps will act as a high current buffers. I also read the the sound is formed in the voltage amplification stages, but this is confusing me.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 лет назад
It has to do with compatibility with consumer audio gear as line level is 1vrms at 0db. If someone manufactured a power amp that required 10vrms to reach full output there would be a lot of dissapointed users. I don't understand the "sound is formed" part. Amplifiers take an electrical signal and increase the voltage and current to the level needed to drive the following stage or the speaker driver with (in most cases) adding as minimal changes (distortion & noise) to the signal as possible. There are some amplifiers that do change the signal or sound quality, such as single ended tube power amps that tend to have significant low order harmonics and a low damping factor (among other things) that affect the sound. Whether that is good or not is up to the listener.
@gino3286
@gino3286 6 лет назад
Hi and thanks a lot for the very helpful reply. You say " It has to do with compatibility with consumer audio gear as line level is 1vrms at 0db " . Yes i see this when i read the specs of various power amps. And usually impedance can vary from 10k to even 1Mohm. I guess which kind of reasoning has led to choose such a low level. Maybe with more V the signal could be "stronger" and so less sensitive to noise or interconnecting cables quality ?
@chadbarker2316
@chadbarker2316 4 года назад
I have a Sansui 9900z receiver with kappa 7s. And an older Dual turntable. Do I need a phone amp. Would it improve it? I know,stupid question.
@johnkristian
@johnkristian 6 лет назад
hey... your audio is OK now!
@MrKnutriis
@MrKnutriis 6 лет назад
Wonka - This is where sound and poetry meets.
@adrianmorrish8494
@adrianmorrish8494 2 года назад
I am still getting my head around gain, I have been watching a lot of your talks on RU-vid and they are super helpful so my thanks. I am looking at a Bluetooth only pocket amp, it has no DAC apart from the bluetooth chipset. it is 1W and all the specs show is +-9v which I assume is not RMS. It is unique in my admittedly limited experience in that it dosent have a gain switch on it or I believe any impedence based auto gain, I have used it with a 32 ohm hp's and 300 ohm hp's and the volume is near identical, should I avoid though as it may be useless without gain with hp's needing more current?
@johnsweda2999
@johnsweda2999 6 лет назад
What's going on with the DAC every manufacturer is about 6 years behind because the supply of the DAC module are withheld, I could buy a DAC module tomorrow for about $100 and it be well superior to any DAC on the market what's with the delay in supplying the DAC module to commercial manufacturers
@hugoromeyn4582
@hugoromeyn4582 11 месяцев назад
Yes Paul, 40 Volts into 8 Ohms = 200 Watts. Ohms law. Voltage (40V) / Resistance (8 Ohms load) = 5 Amps. And then Power = Voltage x Amps, so 40x5=200 Watts
@MrMarantzman
@MrMarantzman 6 лет назад
Nice job as always Paul, but this explanation was way over my head....
@MrKnutriis
@MrKnutriis 6 лет назад
Not only over your head, Tony
@inforobob
@inforobob 6 лет назад
Where's Nipper?
@MrKnutriis
@MrKnutriis 6 лет назад
Probably knocked out by the gain - and resting.
@inforobob
@inforobob 6 лет назад
He is pretty old!
@jeffbarton3353
@jeffbarton3353 6 лет назад
Is the thumbnail onboard a navy ship?!
@jeffbarton3353
@jeffbarton3353 6 лет назад
Paul McGowan only a navy vet would catch that anyways. Enjoy your vids btw
@Imranigma
@Imranigma 6 лет назад
it's Nipper day off ?
@MrKnutriis
@MrKnutriis 6 лет назад
Nipper works every day
@dansanger5340
@dansanger5340 5 лет назад
An amplifier without gain wouldn't be an amplifier.
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio 5 лет назад
Fair enough, though there are multiple types of gain: current and voltage gain as well as amplifiers that only impedance match without gain. Most people assume "gain" means voltage gain where the outgoing signal is larger in size than the incoming signal, but that is not always the case. Take a X1 power amplifier where the incoming signal is the same amplitude as the outgoing signal. Here we have a X1 gain (essentially no gain) but high input impedance and low output impedance to drive speakers (for example). Or, take the case of an amplifier follower. Same sort of scenario but instead of driving speakers it drives cables.
@dansanger5340
@dansanger5340 5 лет назад
Very true. I've been enjoying your videos and couldn't resist making a lighthearted wisecrack. Keep up the good work.
@clydeblair9622
@clydeblair9622 3 года назад
3 o'clock! My god. Somethings wrong.
@finscreenname
@finscreenname Год назад
Ya that is max on my system and only for CD that were recorded way back before they started making them loud.
@Justwantahover
@Justwantahover 2 года назад
An amp without gain. A gramophone.
@clydeblair9622
@clydeblair9622 3 года назад
The theoretical clashes with reality.
@Thomas..Anderson
@Thomas..Anderson 2 года назад
This guy does not remember what power does 30 Volts into 8 Ohms produce? ???
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