Why Sukuna Vs Meruem Is NOT A CLOSE FIGHT. 

- it wasn't planetary to begin with, in actuality we never saw the planetary black hole, since in the same chapter, kenjaku said "IT WAS SUPPRESSED BY TENGEN AND YUKI HERSELF" Suppressed, meaning wasn't at full power, and from what we see, it would be heavily suppressed since a real black hole would destroy the earth, the moment it manifests, that's not the case here So scaling to a suppressed black hole, doesn't scale anywhere tbh, since we don't even know how strong that specific black hole was Also, the narrative would make sense and logically follow from what I'm saying, since high tiers in the verse get heavily damaged by city level attacks or large town level for that matter

@@Alex_fr18 The suppression feat by itself is planetary since a black hole the size of a coin has earth’s mass. If they handled even 1% of the black hole it already is planetary They getting damaged by city level attacks while having superior feats would just upscale these city level attacks. Area of effect isn’t a limiting factor

@@guilha1506 ok, again the suppression isn't planetary, because the attack itself didn't cause anything close to planetary You're saying "a coin sized black hole would have planetary mass" it doesn't matter, cuz that's not how suppression works It just means that the black hole was suppressed from planetary to multi city block (the damage it caused), and using real life measures to calculate that would be an appeal to reality, since if we go about it using IRL science, the black hole manifesting would have killed and destroyed the earth before the barriers or even anyone could stop it It didn't tho, cuz it was SUPPRESSED, which is what I'm talking about And the area of effect is a limiting factor here specifically Cuz you're saying that black hole is planetary when it didn't do anything close to planetary, and we know it was suppressed, so how tf you come to the conclusion it's planetary ?

@@Alex_fr18 Using the knowledge of a coin sized black hole being planetary wouldn’t be appeal to reality because the narrator stated this in the manga. How suppressing something that could destroy the planet and has the mass of multiple planets to the point it can only affect a small area isn’t a planetary feat? That’s like saying a character that blocked a planetary attack doesn’t scale to it This black hole’s existence by itself is already planetary given its mass And if you want to use IrL logic to say the black hole would’ve destroyed earth instantly, it would actually only affect a small part of it because it’s event horizon is small, then it would go to the center of the planet and start consuming it from the inside.

@@Alex_fr18 he sood be at hthe very lest montn levle becose it shood be abel to supas the erht heling the erth can heal the score buy making montian dut to tctonic plates

And its never stated that the attack is only planetary due to spaghettification, that's just headcannon. Even a black hole the size of a penny can have the same mass as the earth and yuki's black hole is not only WAY WAY bigger than a penny, but was also stated to be able to destroy the earth. You can scale her black hole to have even more mass than the sun if you really wanted to. So sukana eclipses meruem in a.p by billions of times

Ok, first of all, kenjaku after surviving the black hole, states that it was heavily suppressed by tengen and yuki herself, the best feat the black hole did was multi city block level, that's the black hole which kenjaku survived, if it was "planetary" as you're claiming rn, the black hole would have destroyed the earth the instance it manifested, it didn't tho, CUZ IT WAS HEAVILY SUPPRESSED Meaning, we never saw the "planetary black hole" And if you don't know how black holes work, then they rip apart particles using spaghettification, that's not headcanon, that's basic black holes 101 😭 And yeah, gojo is stronger than yuki, NOT HER ABILITY, I said this before

thank you bro, i appreciate it killua's AP would be city, large city if you take other things into consideration, in his godspeed form it increases a lot tho

@@Alex_fr18 ok thanks 🙌🙌

Ok you're done ?, cuz this was horrendous lmao First off it's never explicitly stated that the seals did the earthquake, or gojo for that matter, asserting that it wasn't him, without proof gets dismissed via hitchen's razor, the curses could have been a secondary factor, with gojo being a factor as well, and this doesn't debunk shi I said lmao, and the fact that you said that gojo have to fight them, means that his power was part of the factors which caused the earthquake, meaning you debunked yourself lmaooo 😭 - "it's the definition of CSAP" Bring me one statement in CSAP saying that AP=DC rn 😭 And please watch the damn thing, I said that you can't prove that hollow purple has more AP than its DC, Because THERE'S NO PROOF OF THAT 😭, omg just listen ffs and I said "AP≠DC" not equals - omfg, "it's an FTL speed feat because I said so" You don't even know that calculations done on the feat, and why it's not FTL, and it's not FTL simply due to the fact, that kashimo shouted the ability, and YES HE DID SHOUT THE ABILITY, and Likely charged it before firing, giving sukuna a timeframe to react, and stop lying about the kanji's, cuz they mention shi you're talking about, drop your discord and show me the kanjis you're talking about rq And you don't even know the difference between reaction speed and combat speed omg, you think sukuna moving his head is combat speed, omg 😭 Reaction speed is the speed at which a character reacts to an action or an event, and it usually grants A SHORT MOVEMENT UPON REACTION Combat speed is the speed at which A CHARACTER FIGHTS IN CHECK THE FKING TIERING SYSTEM 😭🙏🏻 - "you didn't justify how a sound attack travels at the speed of sound" omg what 😭🙏🏻 I'll just ignore this one cuz it's dumb asf - I grant sukuna the benefit of tanking purple, even tho he didn't, WATCH THE FKING THING - you definitely have a hearing problem, I never said lightning, show me one instance where I said lightning, and if you're saying that killua's nen is lightning, then you didn't watch the show lmao, and we can debate whether killua's electricity is an electrical charge, or electromagnetic waves btw, and it's the latter - "killua in the official statement, debunks himself" Here's the debunk for that rq WHEN THE DART MANIFESTS, IT HITS YOU meaning, there's no time between the moment it would hit you and manifestation The two events happen at the same time, there's no delay between the two KILLUA WAS ABLE TO CATCH THE DART, BEFORE IT HITS HIM And he said that this isn't human, and you'd need light speed reflexes to actually catch the dart, because of the timeframe here which is The dart manifesting = killua catching the dart The timeframe here is the same for the speed of light which would be 0.000000000000000017 seconds Killua in this timeframe was able to react to the dart by catching it AND KILLUA REACTED TO THE DART RIGHT WHEN IT MANIFESTED, NOT BEFORE, NOT AFTER "He knew where the dart was gonna hit" this doesn't matter, because in the timeframe of 0.000000000000000017 seconds when the dart manifested, he was able to react to it And for the last time NO HUMAN CAN REACT TO A LIGHT SPEED ATTACK IF HE DIDN'T HAVE SOL REFLEXES Read and understand, don't just say "erm you said lightning" - ok, I used the boost from his travel speed, as an inference, since meruem GOT STRONGER AND FASTER, we don't know how fast his combat speed is, so we infer to travel speed His combat speed might have a boost even higher, but I went with the safe bet Now, I'll just say that you didn't debunk anything, and you strawmaned the hell out of my arguments lmao, and we can do this on disc btw, and you can give your proof, since you keep talking about non existent kanjis

@@Alex_fr18 waffle im aint reading all that

@@Alex_fr18 all I saw was "hitchen's razor" which to play devils advoke everything you say can be dismissed by hitchen's razor since you don't prove 99% of the things you say you just continually assert them

@@TojiBackWithTheMilk wise fold 🙏🏻

​@@TojiBackWithTheMilkexactly 👍

All Chimera Ants were born with their peak stats that includes nen, and Mereum crossed even that. He is an Emitter and he was born with a nen ability that is Aura synthesis standard emissive ability.

The bomb melted a crater, AFTER IT EXPLODED, and meruem was in the center of the melted crater, AFTER TAKING THE FORCE OF THE BOMB, meaning he had to endure the force of it, and then survive the heat in that melted crater for several minutes, until youpi and pouf arrived That's why he scales to it

BET

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- they don't need to scale to gojo, wtf 😭 The fact that there were multiple layers of curses and seals means that gojo didn't perform that feat alone that's the point And if we go by JJK 0, kenjaku was certain that gojo would have died from the earthquake, meaning he placed 3000 special grade cursed spirits there, the weakest special cursed spirit would scale to a cluster bomb or city block level, when converting that energy into joules, I did the math before, and all 3000 cursed spirits would be packing large town to city level energy, and this is without the inclusion of the layers of seals and the prison realm itself Just downgrades the feat even further - gojo didn't take damage from the "island level attack" cuz of his infinity, I literally said this 😭 This would logically follow, since not even gojo, but sukuna as well, gets heavily damaged by city level attacks

@@Alex_fr18 If Kenjaku could kill Gojo by just spamming cursed spirits he would’ve done so. Not even with around 20 million spirits he was confident in taking him down and weaker characters (Yuta) already no diffed 10 million spirits. Again, there’s no way the spirits and seals Kenjaku made amount to a fraction of Gojo’s power, meaning this was all on him or the spirits did it and Gojo upscales from them. Again, if they are damaged by city level attacks and have superior feats, this just upscales these city level feats. Area of effect isn’t a limiting factor (unless you think everyone punches with human level strength since the punches don’t go around destroying the environment)

@@guilha1506 kenjaku said that THE EARTHQUAKE WOULD HAVE KILLED GOJO, not the curses Also why are you telling me this when I'm just rephrasing what kenjaku already said 😭 You should tell gege about this, not me Bro what ?, yuta killed those overtime and not all at once, and they were less grade than the ones kenjaku used against gojo in the subduction zone, as he said HE'S CONFIDENT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED GOJO Meaning they would be stronger, narratively and logically speaking And yeah, again, you didn't get what I was saying, an attack which destroys a city, Is city level, the same attack damaging a character, makes him city level, it doesn't suddenly upscale the attack out of nowhere 😭 And you'd need to prove that they have higher durability than city level, cuz they don't and you're already presupposing that they do

@@Alex_fr18 Kenjaku either underestimated Gojo or Gojo got stronger in the prison realm. Either way, the fact that he though this would kill him despite infinity existing kinda shows Kenjaku knew infinity wouldn’t work against it, which suggests Gojo tanked the thing with raw durability. And again, if the curses were the one who did this feat, Gojo upscales from them, if it was a feat coming from both sides, it was mostly Gojo because he is way superior, in either interpretation Gojo scales to this Yuta took a few minutes to kill the curses while not even using his cursed technique and nothing suggests Kenjaku put more curses there than against Yuta (he doesn’t even have 3000 special grades as you said) The area of effect of an attack doesn’t determinate its power. If a character tanks a city block explosion with no damage but gets one shot by a punch, this punch has city block and above attack potency despite not having nearly as much area. That’s basic powerscaling

@@jordandavilabrown294 1- "Kenjaku scales to tengen's barrier" Umm, yeah because you said so ? "Suppress half of the black hole's power" Nowhere is it stated that it was able to suppress "HALF OF THE POWER OF THE BLACK HOLE" That's just you creating your own narrative, however, the black hole is mentioned to be heavily weakened, and we see that the most it caused was multi city block in terms of damage If you wanna push the planetary argument, then this puts into question the black hole itself, and if it's truly planetary, because what is said is that it would have been able to wreak havoc in "THE WORLD", and let me tell you, the word used in Japanese is "世の中" or "Yononaka" Which doesn't refer to the context of a planet in any way shape or form, it does however refer to the term "SOCIETY" another thing to point out is that the original Japanese translation says and I quote "THE BLACK HOLE HAD THE POWER TO ENGULF ALL OF THE WORLD" Again, not the planet in this context, so the black hole, WITH IT'S FULL POWER BEFORE IT GOT SUPPRESSED, IS NOT PLANETARY and kenjaku "SURVIVED" a suppressed version of this weak black hole Also, even the calcs (which doesn't take into consideration these counterarguments and put the whole feat into questions, rather they assume it's a real black hole) get this to large town level, so good proving my point 👍🏻 2- "according to an official jjk fan book" Ehh, if you didn't know, we saw the feat firsthand and we know what it can do, and there are some calcs on it, which gets it to, TOWN LEVEL Also, not every calc in vsbw is acceptable, and the acceptable one is also town level, so what's your point ? 3 - what you said is just describing the nature of sukuna's domain, it doesn't actually attack anything I said, and why we shouldn't take his domain's size as a standard when narratively speaking, it makes sense according to what I explained, again, what's your point ? Also, that doesn't mean that everything in the domain is real, because everything there could be an illusion created by cursed energy and it wouldn't contradict anything gojo said, an illusion could also be created and be a construction lmao, but you're presupposing that it must necessarily mean it's physical when we have clear proof against that 4 - japanese raw text says "cursed spirits as detectors" Not just one, second YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT 🙏🏻😭 Kenjaku was certain that the power there would have killed gojo, meaning that gojo would have exerted power to defend against that attack, and all this on top of the prison realm getting opened and unsealing gojo, also releasing huge energy, MEANING THAT GOJO WASN'T THE ONE WHO CAUSED THE EARTHQUAKE, THERE ARE MANY FACTORS WHICH CAUSED THE FEAT, SO IT'S A SHARED FEAT, AND GOJO DOESN'T SCALE TO IT ALONE, THANK YOU 😭 Also, your argument is dumb ngl, since you're saying that any island level attack would penetrate infinity since we saw gojo's shirt torn up ? You do realize that literally every jjk fan would disagree with you right ? Also, his shirt getting torn off literally proves nothing, cuz I could say that the energy he produced to protect against those layers of seals/the prison realm's energy/the cursed spirits, caused that, and it would also make sense So that doesn't prove anything And gojo only "survived" the island level attack because of his infinity, it doesn't scale to his AP nor his durability however Again, thanks for proving me right, again 5 - I'm not gonna even argue this, this is just you creating your own version of what happened, when I can argue that the feat itself is invalid because sukuna is shown moving out of the way, before the EM waves are shot But let's say that sukuna dodged the waves, and he has SOL reaction speed (and yes, it's reaction speed) THIS ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T MATTER 🙏🏻😭 Watch my "hxh is faster than you think" vid and see how fast meruem actually is lmao 😭😭😭😭 Get sukuna to FTL and he gets destroyed by killua Conclusion: This was a lot of unnecessary yapping, but yeah, meruem no diffs sukuna+verse, if you want we can debate it, if you don't then that's fine

@@Alex_fr18 1. In chapter 145 Tengen stated that Kenjaku is second to her in barrier techniques, also it would stand to reason that Tengen's barrier would be suppressing half of the black hole's power since it took the combined powers of Tengen's barrier and Yuki's will to suppress it. Also if that's the case it would still be around multi-continental levels of power and Tengen was able to suppress half of it. 2. The reason why the feat wasn't shown the way it was stated in the JJK fan-book is because not only was Jogo focusing it all on Sukuna but he was purposely minimizing it's range most likely because he didn't want to get his remaining comrades (the ones he cares about) caught up in the attack. Also while that's true, you would still have to prove that the "large country calc" is false especially considering it is based on the information from the "Official JJK fan-book" which is written and approved by Gege Akutami himself. 3. The nature of their domains does matter since their functionality can change and affect the range of their domains sure-hit effect as well as the constructs made in them. Also not only would have to prove that in an illusion but there is enough evidence that proves that the constructs within a domain are physically being manifested based on the ones that have been displayed so far within the series. 4. Gojo most likely was using his CE to reinforce his body's physical strength to withstand the force that created the earthquake (which meant he contributed nothing in creating the earthquake) and if Gojo is able to withstand it then it would stand to reason that he would be able to unleash similar levels of power. Also I never said it bypassed Gojo's infinity since the technique wasn't active at that time and the reason is because of "Jacob's ladder" being used to nullify the "Prison Realm" which Gojo was sealed inside of thus he as well would have been hit by Jacob's ladder which meant that his "Limitless technique" was nullified during that time thus Gojo would have had to physically withstand the force that created the earthquake, and the evidence of this being the case it the fact that Gojo's jacket was torn to shreds when he appeared in front of Kenjaku. 5. I'm basing it entirely off the image you used in the video, also based on how it's shown the EM wave attack was already being fired off before Sukuna dodge it and the calcs I've seen puts this feat to around 2.5 to 5 times the SOL, and this was done by a Sukuna who was in an heavily weakened state from his battle with Gojo. Also I've seen the video and in it you brought the high tiers of the verse to infinite combat speed, well the same can be applied to both Gojo and Sukuna through Gojo's teleportation. Base off the original japanese text which is (瞬間移動 / Shunkan Utsuri dō) it translates to "instantaneous teleportation" (according to Google translate), and Gojo is able to use it in close quarter combat in chapter 231 and the fact that Sukuna was still able to keep up with him saids a lot about his speed. Keep in mind that Gojo's mind and body would have to be able to process what is going on when he is moving at those speeds in combat, and Sukuna has been shown being able to keep up with him in hand to hand combat thus it would scale to him as well.

@@jordandavilabrown294 "Don't mess with us jjk fans, we don't watch our show" Ok so, let me explain 1- "Barriers (結けっ界かい, Kekkai?) are zones or territories established with jujutsu. They are generally used to conceal, contain, or deny entry to entities within that space. Cursed techniques that erect barriers are known as barrier techniques" This means that every domain expansion user/veil user/simple domain user are barrier users Also, being second to tengen literally proves my point, kenjaku doesn't scale to that at all, and no one in the verse does because they all below kenjaku in terms of barrier techniques since he's second to tengen 😭🙏🏻, nice proving my point I also explained how the black hole itself isn't multi-continental narrative wise Also, there's no statement saying that yuki and tengen suppressed half of the domain equally, that's just your assumption In fact, yuki suppressed it heavily when she released it, then tengen had to deal with an even weaker black hole 2- now that's just your interpretation, because the attack he used already did damage that could damage his comrades, also there isn't any statement saying that jogo minimized the range or wtv, you're just taking a statement from a "canon" guidebook (which would be second in chain of reliability) and comparing it to the anime, which would be a firsthand reliable "Disprove the large country calc" Sure, send the link, also ask any rational person, and they would not believe you "Pulverizing a city is large country level" Also, just disproving the "jjk fan guidebook" you're using is enough to disprove the feat, if the source is invalid, then the feat is invalid as well Cool fan theories, but I ain't here to deal with that yk 3- again, that's presupposing that every function in a domain affects one another, when there isn't any statement saying that, just your interpretation "There is enough evidence to prove that the insides are physical manifestation" *Proceeds to give no evidence* Btw, there is actual evidence that the domain sizes are illusions lmao, which I addressed many times in my vid 4- "it's most likely, it's safe to assume, it's highly possible" Can you not include your interpretation just once 💀🙏🏻 That's not how we powerscale, if we were on a debate, this whole fourth point and I'd argue the whole argument would be dismissed via hitchen's razor, which is why I'm not gonna respond to the fourth point Bring actual proof, or stop theorizing At this point, you're scaling your imagination of what happened, not the actual story 5- first, I already said that the whole feat is invalid, and not every calc in accepted The accepted calc in vsbw gets it to sub relativistic, and I can debunk every calc which gets it higher Second, ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ Teleportation is a hax, and in a bonus panel, gege explained that his teleportation requires conditions, unknown to him and the readers, so arguing for that is literally useless, you're basically saying that every character with a teleportation technique scales to his teleportation technique 🙏🏻😭 And that doesn't give gojo infinite speed, because we don't even know how his teleportation works "Japanese texts" bring the Japanese text here ☠️ Cuz I know for a fact there isn't anything like that about his teleportation Wild how some fans would lie and say wtv to defend their character, rather than simply accepting the truth

@@Alex_fr18 1. I'm aware how the barrier techniques in JJK work and we have seen some of them be destroyed due to the force of an attack like "simple domains" being destroyed by the output of a DE's sure-hit effect and the "veil" that was used to keep Gojo out during the "goodwill even arc" by Gojo himself. Also being second to Tengen in barrier techniques is still impressive and while Kenjaku wouldn't be able to fully make the same output of Tengen's barrier with his own he would still be close to it in power especially since he can get past Tengen's barrier during the culling game. I have also seen your explanation and I don't agree considering that Kenjaku stated that if the black hole wasn't being suppressed by (BOTH) Tengen's barrier and Yuki's will then the world would have been engulfed by, meaning if Tengen didn't use her barrier to help suppress the BH then the world would have still been in danger thus still making it a multi-continental feat. Also you would have to prove that Yuki did the majority of the work in suppressing it. Also I looked over chapter 208 with the original japanese text and Kenjaku specifically used ( 世界 / Sekai ) which can refer to either society or the world or the universe depending how it's used, thus the planetary argument could still be valid. 2. The fan-book was written and approved by Gege Akutami himself, thus making it more valid than what you think. Sadly RU-vid won't allow me to place a link to the site, so all I can do is tell you the title of the blog so you can look it up. "Jujutsu Kaisen - Maximum Meteor Revision" 3. I won't even continue to argue with you on that cause I feel like you and I will just keep going in circles with neither of us getting through to each other. Jogo and Dagon's domains are good examples, everything from the ground that they walk on to the water that Toji runs on is all real and an illusion, and remember that in chapter 42 the construction CT was compared to domain expansions and that the difference between them is that the physical objects that are created by construction still remain even after the technique is dispell where as with domains the physical objects can only remain as long as the domain itself is active, thus disproving that objects created inside a domain are just illusions. 4. While I'm aware that it comes off as my interpretation based on how I worded it I can assure you that isn't the case. Think about it for a moment, Jacob's ladder was used to nullify the Prison Realm which Gojo inside of thus would have been hit and engulfed by the technique as well which meant that his Limitless technique (including "Infinity") would have been nullified during that time thus allowing the force that created the earthquake to hit Gojo directly and survived, and the evidence of this being the case is the fact that Gojo's jacket was torn to shreds when he appeared in front of Kenjaku. And for Gojo being able to withstand the force means he would be able to replicate it himself. 5. I won't even continue to argue with you on that cause I feel like you and I will just keep going in circles with neither of us getting through to each other. Chapter 76 and 226 shown the japanese text that says 瞬間移​​動 / Shunkan Utsuri dō. Now there could be more chapters that have it however those two were the only ones I could remember off the top of my head.

@@jordandavilabrown294 1- again, that's just your assumptions, dismissed via hitchen's razor "Ok, so his barrier used huge CE output, and both yuki and tengen stopped it, so it's multi continental" HOW DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE 🙏🏻😭 ALSO, BRING ME THE JAPANESE TEXT WHICH SAYS "SEKAI", now 💀💀💀 You're just lying your way out of this one, the word "Sekai" implies a space-time continuum, even logically speaking, a black hole, CANNOT encompass a 4D universe 💀💀💀💀 Your argument went from bad to garbage, no offense And your justification for why it's multi continental is literally "because I said so", I don't think I need to respond to this point again 2- vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LIFE_OF_KING/Jujutsu_Kaisen_-_Maximum_Meteor_revision Here's the calc, you know what's the first thing you read in the comment ? A MOD CORRECTING THE MISTAKES OF THE CALC, AND SAYING "THIS SHOULDN'T BE USED" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 omg 😭, also the assumptions and the wrong things the calcs assume are just nonsensical lmao Using an invalid calc as proof Is quite literally a dumb move 3- I never said that everything in the domain is an illusion I said that not everything Is physical, which we then get an actual showing of dagons domain, which gives you the size of it, which doesn't appear to be that big, and even the background in the domain is still showing water extending in the horizon, even tho megumi quite literally was standing in the end of the domain, puts into question the actual size of it, and what's real and what's not Which then using sukuna's domain size as a ceiling makes sense to what I already explained These things which you didn't attack at all btw, you're just claiming that everything is physical, because you believe so, or you take a completely irrelevant statement and twist it, to fit it into your already nonsensical argument So yeah, I think I already proved my point here 4- again, you're assuming that Jacob's ladder nullifies curse techniques, even tho it's not the case You're assuming it nullified infinity, even tho we don't have evidence it did, and again, not the case So, the only logical conclusion that we can draw here, is that it's your interpretation, which gets dismissed yet again, via hitchen's razor 5- chp 76 is when gojo Is explaining his Infinity to geto and shoko, no teleportation is mentioned Chp 226 is the fight with sukuna, no teleportation is used or mentioned EVERYONE CAN CHECK AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES Quite literally two non sequiturs, and it actually doesn't matter, cuz hax doesn't upscale your stats sadly And teleportation is not infinite speed, by your logic, todo's boogie woogie is infinite speed as well 🙏🏻 And yeah, you're not actually arguing with good faith and an open mind, but just wants your fav character/verse to win, and it apparent when you switched your argument from FTL to infinite speed, using an invalid arg, quite literally your whole comment Is like this And I'm not saying that inherently bad, what's bad tho is lying and saying wtv to claim your character wins, which is where everyone starts to not take you seriously and you would be labeled as someone dishonest and toxic So yeah, that was more of an advice than a criticize

Bro, I think you misunderstood I used the 15 minutes/5 minutes analogy of his travel speed to say that mereum gained a 3 times boost in speed His travel speed is what he used to get back to the palace His combat speed would be FTL, Not travel speed

@@Alex_fr18 also not to mention his speed whilst flying does not determine his foot speed @k9blazesensation

@@josephejacha779 bro, I didn't say that his travel speed determines his combat speed I said that the boost in his speed is the only factor we could use to determine the boost he got, because he got stronger So it could be a 3 times boost, or even more, but I used 3 times boost as a safe bet, because claiming otherwise would be an appeal to possibility And I didn't scale his speed via his travel speed btw

@@305thief8 1- yeah, yuki can control the black hole with her will, however it was suppressed by both her will and tengen's barrier And what's wrong with yuki having more willpower than gojo and sukuna ? Yuta has more cursed energy reserve than gojo Yuji has the highest consecutive black flash record, double gojo's Tengen has the strongest barrier techniques in all the verse with kenjaku being second So again, what's wrong with what I said ? Yuta doesn't have "infinite cursed energy", it is said to be bottomless Bottomless doesn't inherently mean infinite, how do we know this, is because sukuna is stated as having double cursed energy reserve than Yuta's And when yuta and yuji were fighting him, it is said that his cursed energy level dropped to Yuta's level This would be a direct connotation that his cursed energy is finite, otherwise it wouldn't make sense logically And yuki having more or less cursed energy than yuta, doesn't really matter cuz it doesn't prove anything lmao 2- the word used in the Japanese raw text is "社会 - shakai" If I'm not wrong This word means society, the wording itself of what yuki's black hole can do is (it can engulf the entire 社会) No, even narrative wise, it doesn't infer to planetary destruction And this doesn't matter, because us the readers don't get to see the real black hole which can do this, what we see is a heavily suppressed version by both yuki and tengen Which if we look at the damage it did, it would be multi city block level "There's no indication it was suppressed" READ THE MANGA BRO 🙏🏻😭 It is stated verbatim as being suppressed And the world here is not in reference to planet earth World can also be used to describe society, which would go hand in hand with what the Japanese translation says

@@Alex_fr18 Point is she can still control a black hole and why wouldn’t she be able to not control her own technique anyways? Odd? Yuki does not have more will than Gojo or Sukuna there is no indication of so. Yuji scoring more black flashes is superficial it’s just a hax thing or a capability thing. I don’t even think Gojo uses barrier techniques like Tengen or Kenjaku does. He probably does even use such a technique. Bottomless can be synonymous with infinite for besides we know Gojo can generate an infinite void where he can insert said infinite information into your head which should require infinite amounts of cursed energy. So what if Sukuna’s reserve is double? It’s fiction things work differently. For example Outerversal characters can get stronger if the Author so decides or chooses to. Whether it be 2x 3x 500x or infinite amount of times or an outerversal increase times that. Idk why that debunks that? Just because it drops to Yuta’s level doesn’t necessarily mean it’s finite? It just means it’s lesser than what it should be doesn’t have to mean finite. This is just wrong Gege showcases a picture of the planet and even states it can blow up the world itself besides it’s a black hole? It would have to be an astronomically weak black hole if it’s just blowing up society itself. Not too knowledgeable on the Kanji so idk about that one but at the same time a black hole is mentioned just doesn’t seem very likely it refers to society You shouldn’t look at the damage it but the focus on the nature of the attack how strong it is this is why your wrong on it. I never said it wasn’t suppressed ofc it was but I said it was likely suppressing the Area of Effect. Once again it makes way more sense for it to refer to the planet because Black Holes are cosmic phenomenons so I’m taking your world with a grain of salt. Besides you said verbatim “If I’m not wrong.” So you’re not even sure if it says Shakai.

@@305thief8 controlling her hax, doesn't have any conjunction with AP and durability 💔 She doesn't need to have more CE than gojo and sukuna, yoruzu can create a perfect circle that can emit infinite pressure You have a hard time understanding that hax doesn't have any relation with AP or CE output Yuji scoring more black flashes proves that he excels in something which gojo and sukuna doesn't, that was the point "Gojo doesn't use barrier techniques" 💀💀💀💀💀💀 Domain expansion is a barrier technique 😭🙏🏻 Read the manga bro Bottomless doesn't inherently mean infinite, it's what I said And gojo's infinite void is: 1- not infinite in size, if you're trying argue that 2- doesn't emit infinite information, we know this because when gojo activated his domain for 0.2 seconds, he transferred 6 months of information to the people hit by his domain A finite timeframe emits a finite number of information not infinite Again, re-read the manga And you don't need infinite reserve of energy to create such hax 💀💀💀 Second form Frieza was stated as being able to destroy the infinite sized universe, and he had finite power battle there's no mathematical connection between the two in the first place 😭 And you don't understand that Neither gojo nor sukuna have infinite cursed energy reserve "Just because it drops to Yuta's level, it doesn't mean it's finite" ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ Now I regret responding to this, cuz you clearly don't understand how mathematical infinity works "Infinite can lose value, and experience change while still being infinite" 😭🙏🏻 If you don't know, I also read the manga And gege showcasing the picture of a planet doesn't mean anything, since it's explaining the general understanding of what black holes are and yuki's CT This all could be debunked as being plot engagement, since we know the actual feat goes against this And it doesn't say it can blow up the earth, now you're just making stuff up lmao "You shouldn't look at the damage it does, because it doesn't prove my point !" Look, you don't understand how a black hole works The manifestation of a black hole would swallow the entire planet upon existing That's not what yuki's black hole did And now you're backtracking, since you're claiming it was the area of effect, while still saying that it can blow up THE ENTIRE EARTH 😭😭😭 If this was a debate, and the prerequisites were set, I would have already won "It makes more sense" You know what makes more sense ? A black hole destroying the entire earth upon manifestation You know what black didn't do that ? Yuki's, now stop all this biased goofy ahh argument bro It's just embarrassing atp "Sukuna's CE dropping to Yuta's level, doesn't mean it's finite" 💔

@@Alex_fr18 ik it doesn’t scale it to her ap or durability normally but clearly this is a super amped up state of hers where she is able to embody and control. I never said she has more CE than Gojo or Sukuna when did I say this? I said or meant to say that Gojo doesn’t use barrier techniques the same way Tengen and Kenjaku does there is obviously a distinction because Kenjaku is stated to be 2nd to Tengen when it comes to barrier techniques. If it is what you suggest it is why is Kenjaku scared to even approach Gojo even though he has the second best barrier technique in the series proving superiority over Gojo’s? Maybe it’s because it’s not speaking of that. Gojo is the strongest and Sukuna’s DE is stated to be transcendent or have those implications. I said bottomless can be synonymous with infinite not that it’s infinite and it’s likely infinite in the context of JJK. Gojo’s infinite void is literally called Infinite void this is explained with his fight against Jogo he inserts him with infinite amount of information So what Gojo can insert 6 months of info into the people? He can control how much information he dishes out against people and such features was said to be a high diff task for him because they knew if he activated infinite void it would kill everybody that was the point of that trap I’m sorry but you keep bring up points that I never said I’m just gonna skim through some of this “I don’t know how mathematical infinity works.” It’s called fiction lmao they tend to break laws of physics and mathematics pretty much all the time. If an author willed it a being could grow 10x stronger as an outerversal being even though the concept of numbers don’t apply to such being. You tend to forget where working under the guise of fiction. All goes. Literally logical contradictions can exist in fiction just because so. The planet showcases the scale and intent of where Gege is going with it. Black holes are celestial phenomena. If he truly meant the society he’d imply it way more and give more direct implications like it can affect jujutsu society or society itself. Doesn’t match the context at all. Kenjaku literally says “It can blow up the world reread the panel.” Yeah you should focus on the nature of the attack on the damage it is doing it’s a black hole which had the capability to destroy the earth which is Gege’s intention. Because the environmental damage would be downplay anyways. I’m not back tracking at all they were likely suppressing the AOE I’ve been said this in my original comment go reread that section. It explains why Yuki was suppressing cause it would have blown up the planet if Yuki let it run rampid and wild. It’s showcased even at that size it had the capability of destroying the world anyways. Okay Yuki can control her black hole that’s why it didn’t blow up upon manifestation she is suppressing its power and capabilities. And Kenjaku was in front of the manifestation of the black hole for a good amount of time and while in the midst of it he gears up to use his technique to save himself and still took damage. Scale correctly and maybe I wouldn’t have to be here lmao

@@Alex_fr18 correction it may not have been the AOE she was suppressing well she could have suppressed that too but she was suppressing the power of that attack but we don’t know by how much. Likely it’s still a huge deal because it’s a black hole

Lmao, you misunderstood what I said The nominal fallacy doesn't actually apply to just gojo, it applies to all domains in general, I just used gojo as a specific example And how it applies is because the only, AND THE ONLY reason jjk fans claim those islands and mountains to be actual structures with huge size is because: 1- name of the domain 2- scenery of the domain And both don't reflect the actual size of the domain, using the first argument would get dismissed via nominal fallacy, using the second argument, gets dismissed via what I already explained with Sukuna's barrierless domain, this is why jjk fans claim dagon's domain to be solar system level because there's a star in the background 😭🙏🏻 And you didn't understand the argument of the Barrierless domain at all Sukuna, the king of curses, using a biding vow to specifically make his domain larger, WITHOUT ANY BARRIERS, or basically any confinement, reached 200 meters in radius If you actually watch the show, you'd see the narrative implications of sukuna's domain portrayed to be the biggest domain And returning to dagon's "island", watch the series and you'd know that megumi breached into the domain from the boundary of it, yet we still see the water in the horizon even tho the boundary is supposed to be where the domain ends, so nice using the scenery of the domain to scale its size And no, my basis still stands lmao

There's no statement that Sukuna used bindow vow to make to make his domain bigger,he literally deceased the range bc Megumi was in it's range​, you're reading comprehension is shit@@Alex_fr18

​@Alex_fr18 sukunas domain has the largest range, but it isn't the largest In the same way dagons and jogos are. An island can be smaller than 200m but island still take way more to destroy/create than a 200m range of sukuna domain. Also my point when you say that gojos domain should be infinite since it is called an infinite void, however the space in gojos domain is not infinite and is proven when sukuna destroys gojos domain from the inside, which he would not be able to do if the space inside gojos domain was infinite because the barrier would be an infinite space away from sukunas sure hit domain attacks, meaning the edge of the barrier is reachable from the inside. I can tell you are bias because you give everything to hxh but never give any benefits to jjk you literally ignore everything debunking half the hxh feats you laid out yet you tried to downplay gojos earthquake feat because there are "cursed seals and curses" cursed seals CANNOT physically damage the earth they are seals meaning they are barrier stopping gojos from leaving the area they aren't actually bombs or something we have seen seals that restrict gojo from moving before and they have never done anything like that, also the cursed spirits would not be able to cause that earthquake either as we have never seen a cursed spirit do anything of the sort before and even if they did gojo easily defeated them the only possible thing down there that could have created the earthquake was either gojo emerging or maybe it was the prison realm opening, but nothing else.

@@Six-bw3ir ehh, you completely misunderstood what I said A barrierless domain is a domain without barriers, meaning that the range sukuna has rn, was confined via barriers, when the barriers disappeared, via a biding vow, the domain expanded, and you conceded that it has the biggest range, meaning the biggest domain Cuz that range itself is the insides of the domain And I already went through the other things you said, and again, drop your discord buddy We can do this formally

​@@Alex_fr18stop trying debunk something just use every argument on both sides if I see any bias I'm going to cook your ass just like everybody in this comment section is going to grill you if sakuna actually does well then in this videos biased

Yeah, what I'm saying But the thing is that even if people have gojo at city, they would downplay hxh so hard, that's why I scale the verse

Already dropped my disc, If you have any disagreements, pull up and prove it If you don't, then idc if you're salty that sukuna is that weak

​@Alex_fr18 mereum isn't beating sukuna bro sukuna literally has regen and is arguably faster than light seeing as one of the characters in the show is another sorcerer just as old as him and he is relative to lighting. Speed or if not faster he can actually manipulate it as well and sukuna is known and said to be stronger than him meaning faster as well so you could argue is multiple times past the speed of lighting if not just lights peed at most second gojos hollow purple can destroy things on a molecular level sukunas regen was so strong that he literally healed from getting hit by something like that mereum isn't surviving a hollow purple bruh plus said mtn that you say mereum blew up doesn't scale to a whole city us wasn't that high do you not know how wide and big the city of shibuya could be! Ansmd sukunas domain at 15 fingers was 200 meterz so since he has all his fingers now who is to say he can't level anything bigger than a city now let alone knowing that each finger he eats gives him a 5 percent or more boost stacked on top of his overall strength speed and power and might I add sukuna was holding back against gojo when he was fighting him so that wasn't his best at the time gojo even hit him with the hollow purple which is why he even got hit and injured to begin with so using him getting with the hollow purple to gage his durability is a contradiction when your measuring the durability of someone when they aren't even trying or doing g there best not to best to be durable when fighting and holding back also one more thing with all that said he also has a creature "maharoga" to that can adapt to anything that damages him eventually and not even long from the beginning maharoga is going to get him if sukuna doesn't but even fighting both maharoga and sukuna is suicide! So no I disagree in every way my guy you need to do some more research my friend..💯👌🏽

​@@chapellepullom8798I already went through this, if you want, we could debate this on discord And just cuz you don't think sukuna loses, doesn't make your argument the case here

@@Alex_fr18 I know but I make More sense than what you make the entire video about it we clearly see your biased towards hunter hunter and don't like jjk and that's cool but don't go making nonsense vids like this even if mereum does win idc the point is your not going to down play others in different animes just so you can give him the advantage that's very weak js.

@@chapellepullom8798 it was confirmed 200 meters is the max his domain goes lmao even at 20 fingers

Where does he scale them ? Cuz I'm pretty sure I scale them higher

​@Alex_fr18 I heard the five threats were far more powerful than him, but we never get to see how their full potential is, since we only get to see the pictures and there higher grades

@@andrewventura3287 yeah, chimera ants are literal ants in the dark continent, so everything there is above them

@@bailion yah

Not at all

@@zaimhoque8418 wtv makes you happy

hollow purple is not existence erasure, and even if we go by your logic, gojo had to conceal his energy when firing a 200 percent hollow purple, otherwise sukuna would have dodged it, meaning it travels, and meruem is massively faster than sukuna

@@Alex_fr18 I honestly think mereum wins, but just because we both are on the same side in this debate doesnt mean you can just cap about hollow purple, it does erase everything it touches, it has been shown, and told that it does so, it is an imaginary mass created when both sides of infinity clash, get your facts straight.

@@friendlyneighborhoodmemer18 it's not matter/existence erasure, and there's a difference between erasure and vaporization, what was shown in the show so far is vaporization as evident from the fact that sukuna got his arm completely destroyed by a 200 percent hollow purple, while a 100 percent one, while targeting his whole body, couldn't do the same feat from this we can infer that hollow purple is just a normal blast technique that's able to hurt an opponent if that opponent's durability is below the AP of hollow purple, if the AP of the hollow purple is increased, then it would do more damage if it was existence/matter erasure, it would have erased sukuna's body or part of it on both occasions, yet we don't see that to be the case and the attack having imaginary mass is just in refernce to its nature, search up what a taychon particle is, it's basically a particle which has imaginary mass, that quality doesn't make it erase matter upon impact with a specific object, so yeah, i ain't capping

@@Alex_fr18 That is like saying, cuse goku and frieza survived "Hakai blasts" it doesnt erase you form existence, of course a strong opponent can and WILL suvive the attack, I bet even mereum could "easily" survive a hollow purple since my mans durability has been repeatedly shown to be very strong, just cuse an enemy survived a hollow purple doesnt make what was "stated" a lie, you can call it vaporizing, it doesnt really matter, since the facts stand.

​@@friendlyneighborhoodmemer18 my explanation was basically telling you that there's no evidence of the attack being matter erasure, like bring me one evidence which states that, other than the attack having imaginary mass or wtv And you committed false equivalence, since characters in db are stated verbatim to be able to tank haxs and attacks if they are stronger than them, and it's already been established to be the case, that's why power levels in early db were a thing, that's not the same thing with jjk tho, since the power system doesn't function the same way And I'm not calling anything a lie, I'm basically saying that there's literally nothing which explicitly says that hollow purple is matter erasure

All jjk listen up sukuna speed blitz kashimo use an attack faster then any attack shown in hxh also sukuna use cleave measures meruem durability and you know the rest

And kenjaku vs Yuki black hole to escape it he would have to be moving atleast faster then light so I don't why we even talking about sukuna this video should be hxh vs kenjaku speed 💀

i already made a video talking about hxh speed scaling and we can debate it lmao

@@marlonbarrett9986 cleave can't adjust to someone stronger than sukuna your logic says that if sukuna uses cleave on goku, he would cut him, when it just left scratches on gojo, the city level character 😭

@@marlonbarrett9986 kenjaku never escaped the black hole 😭 he got saved by tengen and his barrier bro watching sukuna kaisen

You are free to call me biased, but you should be able to back up your claim ? So go ahead and prove I'm biased 😭 And I'm open to any discussion or a debate, that's WHY I LITERALLY PUT MY DISCORD ON BIO, if I was biased, I wouldn't be bothering responding to you rn, I'm confident in everything I said, and I'm ready to defend it

Bros coping hard fodder kaisen gets negged by most verses cry about it

@andrewthomas5694 hxh is not negging buddy. I care about the truth I'm not a fanboy like you.

@@Six-bw3ir I'm not even a fan of hxh but ik better jjk is hella weak that's the truth care about it now

​​@@andrewthomas5694I feel like u are just a jjk hater more than a hxh fan, eh whatever problem u have with jjk is not my problem the fact of the matter is u haven't done any research yourself and you probably just go around listening to whatever supports your already biased preconceived opinions on stuff you done even fully understand. Obviously jjk isn't the strongest verse but you have to be fair to its scaling you can't downplay it because you don't like it. Hxh is my favorite shonen of all time and jjk is somewhere down below it like 5 placements on my list of anime but I still am fair to their scaling hxh mangaka author doesn't intend for any hxh to be ftl it would break continuity.

Meruem can’t solo, it’s a one v one

So if they played inside sukuna's domain, it would make it island sized as well ? Huh ?, I don't get your point And megumi already breached into the domain from the boundary of it, yet we still see water in the background, and in the horizon, the scenery of the domain doesn't reflect its actual size, that's why I used gojo's domain's scenery and said it would be dumb to claim it's universal in size cuz the scenery inside looks like space or has stars and celestial bodies in the background

@@Alex_fr18 huh? domain expansions dont follow the laws of physics which means u can create a domain thats small outside but very big inside GET IT?

​@@kylelachamathis still doesn't mean that it would Inherently be island sized...... And sukuna's domain is barrierless, and narratively speaking, should be the biggest domain, and it only reached 200 meters in radius

@@Alex_fr18 even if sukuna wasnt island level sukuna can still damage meruem with his domain/cleave I mean...If cleave can cut through space itself it will no doubt cut meruem,sure meruem can tun away from the domain but sukuna can spam domain expansion for like idk 10 times

@@kylelachama you're talking about the world slash, not his normal cleave And I already addressed that And meruem wouldn't just run, he would be so fast, that sukuna wouldn't be able to finish his hand sign, before getting his head decapitated The difference in speed would be 40X

Mereum not being killed by the bomb immediately, means that the bomb didn't completely vaporize/pulverize his body, what this means that he took the full force of the attack and "survived" even if it's for a small period of time, so he actually scales to it And I have three ways to get mereum to be faster than light, you could join my discord and I'll slide feats

​@@Alex_fr18He was in the epicenter but if he literally died shortly after being hit by the bomb then he wouldnt scale to it, he just have insane heat resistance. Its like if i said Naobito scales to Jogo as Jogo burned him alive but Naobito still died hours later, he was uncapable of fighting back

​​​​@@Alex_fr18meruem didn't tank the bomb,he got heavily damaged and was eventually dying but pouf and youpi saved him so he will not scale to it and if you say gojo's purple damaged him that dosen't debunk the island level scaling which he creates by earthquake that's a anti feat which doesn't effect the scaling and there's no evidence to support the hxh's light speed statements

@@Alphaj0r yeah, he had heat resistance, and he took the full force of the bomb The bomb melted a crater, AFTER IT EXPLODED, and meruem was in the center of the melted crater, AFTER TAKING THE FORCE OF THE BOMB, meaning he had to endure the force of it, and then survive the heat in that melted crater for several minutes, until youpi and pouf arrived That's why he scales to it

@@zaimhoque8418 meruem actually tanked it, since he took the full force of the explosion, and survived multiple minutes in the melted crater, waiting for pouf and youpi to arrive I kinda already debunked the earthquake feat, check that one out of the vid And I can gladly show you that characters in hxh are relativistic, and higher, not just killua and meruem, I already dropped my disc