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@TheTeslaSpace
@TheTeslaSpace Год назад
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@tsamuel6224
@tsamuel6224 Год назад
Needs chapters!!!! Waaaaaay Tooooooo much stuff I already know.
@richb2229
@richb2229 Год назад
Freon is illegal in most countries including the US. We use a chemical that is similar to Freon but less harmful to the ozone layer. 134A Refrigerant.
@rando_webb8704
@rando_webb8704 Год назад
Also your refrigerant cycle chart is oriented wrong as the high pressure vapor from the compressor is fed into the top of the condenser. And high pressure liquid comes from the bottom to head the metering device just before the evaporator.
@rovert1284
@rovert1284 Год назад
In Australia heat pumps (usually referred to as reverse cycle Air Conditioners) are common. Water heat pumps are also rapidly increasing. The good thing about Tesla is that the thought of the competition should drive the existing manufacturers to really up their R&D. Seems to me there would be significant advantages to combine hot water systems, home heating and cooling into one integrated product.
@catsupchutney
@catsupchutney Год назад
I worked with heat pumps here in the US (New York) back in 1980s. I'm not sure why the narrator thinks they have only been in common use for ten years. There are useful, but not a magic solution, their efficiency varies with ambient temperature.
@guringai
@guringai Год назад
rovert821 I think Steibel Eltron have a combi system doing both space heating and hot water. However they utilise R134a, so not a fan. Here in Australia, the best HWS heat pumps are Reclaim Energy, as are most efficient, refrigerant is CO2 & has a timer to utilise home solar PV when available. So a super effective & cheap to run system.
@guyb7995
@guyb7995 Год назад
I know right, its like they think Elon invented RCAC or something. The reality is the units here are cheap, its the install cost that bites!
@serhii.almazov
@serhii.almazov Год назад
Here in Ukraine we have such solutions. They install a heat accumulator (a large insulated tank of water 2-3 cubic meters in size), which is heated by any heat producer installed in the house (heat pump, solar water heater, gas heater, fireplace, etc). And there are energy consumers (heated floors/walls, hot water, etc.) which consume the energy from the accumulator via heat exchangers
@immers2410
@immers2410 Год назад
@@serhii.almazov yeah, it’s called a thermal store here
@mikemchale7639
@mikemchale7639 Год назад
Great video I installed a mini split system four years ago and I’ve been very pleased I hardly ever turn on my gas furnace just use the heat pump to heat individual rooms. My system is considered a mini split. Which means one unit in each room. Disadvantage is air circulation small fans don’t push the air down the hallway necessarily. Extreme conditions I sometimes use a box fan to push the cool air around. I have a solar system from Tesla electric car model three and a small Jacuzzi (electric powered). My electric bill is still under $75 a month on average.
@marcoh6618
@marcoh6618 Год назад
Not sure what is new here? I have had a heat pump system in my house for the last 25 years with hepa filters due to wife's pollen allergies. Also the current refrigerants are no longer bad for the ozone layer, there refrigerants were paused out a long time ago. Why call refrigerant Freon, it like calling every car in the world a Ford? I would be more impressed if Tesla used water vapour as a viable refrigerant. In cars. (Which is technically totally doable) Not sure what Tesla is offering in this case what is not already tried and tested rechnology. Would be interesting to read the tech data,.and hopefully they made some efficiency gains.
@beegeman
@beegeman Год назад
Heat pump was a no brainer for me several years ago when I needed a new A/C unit anyway. Propane prices had been spiking and getting pretty ridiculous, so the heat pump gave me amazing savings. It paid for itself in 3 years.
@jameslong1644
@jameslong1644 Год назад
local propane companies around here (California Sierra Nevadas) say propane is going up 53% so I did the same 4/5 ton heat pump for heating and a/c. Way cheaper.
@davidbruner226
@davidbruner226 Год назад
Just as an addendum, my own experience with switching from a gas HVAC to a heat pump system was more beneficial than anticipated. My previous newer home had a natural gas (utility provided not a LP tank on site) system and was a single story ranch on a slab around 1500 ft sq. My new to me 2 story home w/ a walkout has a heat pump system and is about 3200 ft sq. Both homes were built within a few years of each other. My utility bill is the same for my current house as it was for the ranch! It is actually cheaper in the cooling season, but about 15% higher in the heating season. The overall average though is the same! I was able to further reduce my bill up to 20% by improving insulation around the house for less than $1k investment. I had used the same methods in my last home for a reduction of about 10%. Bigger bang for the buck with the heat pump system.
@lexmedved
@lexmedved Год назад
I'M ADDING SOLAR PANELS TO MY ROOF TO PAY FOR THE HVAC MULTI POINT SYSTEM
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
No one uses your units of "Ft" which were fine hundreds of years ago but for 95% of the world are OBSOLETE. Go to Uganda or Malta or China and catch up with new technology where they would never ever think of building huts to live in as it is seen Americans in the north part of that continent do. Huts are banned for living in, in Europe as we don't like to see what we own blow away when there is a strong wind. And if you start with TIME then you could actually in 50 years catch up with science around the world, instead of this nonsense 10/11/12 distraction when 2012 10 11 23:23 is PRECISE and understood by EVERYONE around the world except for Americans who live in the north. Buildings last thousands of years if made properly, homes in USA last a few years before they rot or get blown into the desert. Americans really are amusing people. 2022 10 28 15 08
@jimdiet8534
@jimdiet8534 Год назад
You need to give actual numbers. Like how many KWH did you use in each house, How many heating days in your new house vs your old house. Heat pumps are not magic and electric is expensive. Electric is about 5 times more costly than Natural gas. Every video I watch about how great heat pumps are fail to give apples to apples comparisons.
@watchthe1369
@watchthe1369 Год назад
the military has been using heat pumps for yearswith "emergency heaters" that get used to death in arctic conditions. The heating coils are exactly what you find in cheap 20$ portable heaters. The heat pump works better when trying to cool things dowm but is most eficient when you have a LOT of heat on one side or the other. In a desert there can be a cooling problem instead of a heating problem because the freon never condenses enough. We ended up having to adjust the presures in the systems to get enough cooling.
@DanStreiffert
@DanStreiffert Год назад
I put a 13 kw solar system on my 1800 sq. ft rambler in 2015, replaced my oil furnance with a heat pump, and in 2018 bought a Tesla M3. My total energy costs went from over $5,000 a year to about $500. The only gas I buy is for my wife's Honda Civic and my lawn mower. The heat pump uses the same heating ducts as my oil furnace did. The system works great, is quiet, and now provides AC in the Seattle area where I never thought I would need it. Thanks to Net Meeting, I bank excess solar power in the long summer days for use through most of the winter. Last year I had to pay about $50 for electricity for two months that were over the minimum $7.95 monthly charge. We did spend a lot of money on better insulation and weather stripping as our house was built in the 60's when oil was cheap.
@kmkall6874
@kmkall6874 Год назад
With a 25 year ROI
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 Год назад
ROI has been done many times. Not anywhere near 25 years. Only time this really happens is with government promises and they do a rug pull like Spain.
@DanStreiffert
@DanStreiffert Год назад
@@kmkall6874 Actualy it's closer to 8 years - without factoriing inflation.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
NEVER heat or cool if you have 100% insulation. This is of course illegal in USA since the idiots must be made to pay all their lives just to stay alive. Humans (or yanks) are the ONLY creatures who are not capable of surviving in nature. Think about that. All animals and plants are naturally surviving yet those brainy humans have not figured out how to copy the birds! Well 99% are still confused and just don't know. Buying a lot of crap instead of using their common sense.
@paulnosworthy4818
@paulnosworthy4818 Год назад
Very informative… like most solutions it’s often a balance of several things that ends up being used. I am surprised no one has come up with modular system you could retrofit to your garage combining wind, solar and an air source heat pump feeding your electric car. Your utility would manage the system prioritising your needs first and any excess going back to the grid to support balancing the system and generating an income. In the UK we have all the component parts including a converted ICE car to electric for free (£0.04 kWh) for a runaround… we are getting there.
@millcosctd
@millcosctd Год назад
Have you got info on your ICE conversion?
@paulnosworthy4818
@paulnosworthy4818 Год назад
@@millcosctd Hi Millco... check out Jonny Smith Late Brake Show vlog's everything is there and his channel has contact details. The outfit in France really interested me for the subsidy their Government gives, cost and leaving the gearbox in. Any conversion is cheaper than a new EV providing the bodywork is sound and immediately no road fund licence... its a no brainer.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
@@millcosctd Nothing on yt: Jonny Smith Late Brake Show - ICE car to electric zero info
@robertcessaro6201
@robertcessaro6201 Год назад
With recent heat waves here in the Pacific Northwest, we're exploring a retrofit whereby our very efficient gas-powered heater is replaced by a heat pump. Our system is a bit more complex than a typical forced air system because it heats water which is then pumped sequentially through 5 different radiant floor loops. By replacing the heating system with a heat pump it is hoped that warm water in the winter will be cooled in the summer. It is worth mentioning that the current heating system doesn't need to heat the water very much: water exiting the system into the loops runs about 85°, returning to the system only a few degrees cooler. So, we expect that, in the summer, water might only be need to be cooled to, say, 65° to achieve sufficient cooling to keep the house at a comfortable temperature. It's early days, but I'm hopeful.
@BerraLilltroll
@BerraLilltroll Год назад
You cannot cool the floors, usually, as that will lead to condensation and moisture problems. But if u only got ceramic floors or you dry the air in other ways, then maybe. In Sweden coolers are air based.
@Andrew-ig5sp
@Andrew-ig5sp Год назад
Heat rises off the floor. Cool won’t rise off the floor. It would just end up as a cold wet floor.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
Cooled floors are a bit of a nightmare. They usually don't work very well unless there's a lot of direct solar incidence on the floor that re-radiates and generates a cooling load. Otherwise yiu just end up with cold feet and a condensation risk that needs careful control.
@daffyduck5585
@daffyduck5585 Год назад
Your heat pump will require twice the "fossil fuel" to warm your home than your inexpensive gas heater uses. For cooling, fans, trees & an inexpensive swamp cooler in your attic space would save time, $ & effort.
@randybobandy9828
@randybobandy9828 Год назад
Screw all that... Just do mini split and save the hassle. You can get up to a 5 head unit and have custom heating controls for individual rooms. You can even get cassette air handlers that hide in your ceiling and it looks just like a vent and nothing else.
@nora1172
@nora1172 Год назад
Great explanation 👌about the heat pumps system usage in cars and housing infrastructure. We just have to make sure in Europe that we produce enough energy with our solar systems on the houses and apartment complexes. My impression (f. ex. in Germany) is that on a huge % Apartment Complexes don’t even give the possibility to load a electric vehicle and still have too little Solar systems on their roofs and Apartment and house owners would have to invest in new loading infrastructure with the pump connection that would need a “quick” political regulation to support investments as such and create a small business chain that has the knowledge and expertise to actually do the craftsman work. Sounds like a great technology. I wish our government would be open enough to invite you for consulting talks. And take quicker decisions not directly depending on an election outcome could be made. Thx for sharing.
@trex2092
@trex2092 Год назад
In my 2100 sq ft. ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) home here in South Alabama it cost $130 to cool my home, I use a wood stove during the "winter" weeks. I spray foamed the attic and keep a chocolate Easter Bunny in the attic for a gag sitting on top of the attic HVAC unit, he has been sitting there for several years and looks great.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
"Winter weeks" sounds great! Many of us have "Winter months", lots and lots of them, and then we have Summer weeks if we're lucky or Summer days if we're not 🤣
@thechasecomplex
@thechasecomplex Год назад
As an HVAC guy that chocolate bunny ain’t a gag. It’s a flex… and is a mighty cool one 😎
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 You are clearly an idiot who likes wasting money - and energy. Probably American - the world bestest as wasting things. Grow a brain and move south.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
@@kennethkeen1234 What a fool you are! My reply is a joke in relation to climate and how lucky the OP is to have one that's benign enough to use energy as he does. I'm certainly not American, I'm European. I'm also a chartered energy professional. The team that I manage won the EMA "Best managed energy" award in 2011 so I must be doing something right. I don't expect you to understand what that is by the way, but you'll find it wit a web search, You appear to have no comprehension of my rather simple comment so you will excuse me having a wry laugh at your insults. I suppose it must be genetics on your part, but I claim no expertise in the area so I will just have to file you under "irredeemable" and move on.
@zipp5398
@zipp5398 Год назад
I was waiting for you to mention that heat pumps won’t work in cold temperatures have the same problem where I live. They have made improvements recently talk to an HVAC guy and he said that they’ve come out with one that now works down to 20 below but they still recommend having an additional heater in the home For heating considering sometimes we get down to 30 below for weeks or even 60 below at night occasionally by the way that’s Fahrenheit for anyone who’s trying to figure this out. Good job on the video really enjoyed all the information was a great review of some of the stuff I already knew In the Tesla information was really interesting.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Years beyond USA in Europe yet yanks STILL rant on in far in height nonsense and mules and feet and pigeons and horses, jesus sad to have to wade through all this trash which was discarded 150 years ago. CENTIGRADE is a measure of temperature - try to teach that to yanks! They just don't want to make ANY progress.
@sagecoach
@sagecoach Год назад
In Minnesota, my heat pump system has worked wonderfully for over 10 years. It reverts to natural gas in extremely cold weather automatically. We also enjoy high solar gain from windows and the HVAC system adjusts the fan speed to distribute that heat evenly throughout the house.
@gravestoner2488
@gravestoner2488 Год назад
Are you selling something or are you describing variable fan speed with way too many words? 🤣
@sagecoach
@sagecoach Год назад
@@gravestoner2488 Neither, just affirmation of benefits green technology brings, not to mention rebates and reduced electric rates that may apply.
@gravestoner2488
@gravestoner2488 Год назад
@@sagecoach dude i sell this stuff for a living, you sound like me on the phone with potential customers
@sagecoach
@sagecoach Год назад
@@gravestoner2488 We are on the same page. Retired, mine is sage advice.
@larrybolhuis1049
@larrybolhuis1049 Год назад
We have used Geothermal heat pumps at our home for 30 years in Michigan. Wonderful technology. In summer it also makes free hot water from the heat extracted from our home. While our unit has backup electric resistance heaters, they have never been used. We also have many south facing windows which enable the house to pass 80 degrees on a sunny winter day even with temps near zero. The heat pump fan circulates this heat through the home.
@floydbertagnolli944
@floydbertagnolli944 Год назад
Very clear & helpful. Thanks.
@scottmelunis9562
@scottmelunis9562 Год назад
I’m in the HVAC field, what you are talking about is already been in practice for decades in the states. What he did in the Tesla is remarkable, taking commercial HVAC technology and put it in a car. Mitsubishi has taken it to the next level, heating and cooling from the same heat pump at the same time. It’s called VRF Technology. Now available for residential applications.
@yurikleyman8558
@yurikleyman8558 Год назад
Europeans have been using it all the time!
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 Год назад
Is there any evidence that Tesla has any plans whatsoever to get into residential (or commercial) HVAC? I don't see the business case for it, because Tesla doesn't have any new physics to bring to the table, and existing HVAC equipment is already pretty efficient.
@2hotscottpro
@2hotscottpro Год назад
I think they make shit up on this channel.Look how they say he’s doing something new every week or so 😝
@imzjustplayin
@imzjustplayin Год назад
HVAC equipment until very recently hasn't been all that efficient. Just recently I saw that there is a 6000 BTU A/C mini split that has an EER of 19 and a SEER of 33. This was unheard of 10 years ago, let alone even 2 years ago. Best EER for a 4 ton system is like an EER of 15 but again that's a very recent innovation. HVAC industry doesn't have a lot of investment in it like the tech industry because most consumers of that industry always buy the cheapest crap so not a lot of money goes towards most efficient equipment.
@ParkerGuy89
@ParkerGuy89 Год назад
As a commercial HVAC technician, God I hope not. Newer equipment, especially process cooling or critical cooling is already so damn temperamental. Look at it sideways and it breaks.
@ssaraccoii
@ssaraccoii Год назад
Why get into it when they ban used refrigerants every 10 years or so?
@theo21021
@theo21021 Год назад
@@ssaraccoii Reason refrigerants get banned every 10 years is cause patents run out. Studies (usually funded by refrigerant manufacturers like Dupont) all of a sudden discover those refrigerants are bad for the environment. But luckily those same manufacturer funding the environmental studies have new refrigerants with patents that are supposedly better for the environment ready to go. It's all a scam.
@paulachisholm2575
@paulachisholm2575 Год назад
Thanks for the link x
@alphaomega5001
@alphaomega5001 Год назад
I have both a gas furnace and a heat pump. It's all set up automatically to use the heat pump while above -20C. Although when it gets down to -40C that's when I appreciate the gas furnace.
@discobriscoe5880
@discobriscoe5880 Год назад
Where the fuck do you live? Pluto?
@manikdesign
@manikdesign Год назад
How did you do this I’m curious because I want to also do this
@alphaomega5001
@alphaomega5001 Год назад
@@manikdesign I had a professional HVAC company come in and install the heat pump and they put the heat/cooling exchanger on after the furnace blower. Saves a bunch on fuel. I only use fuel on the days that it goes below -20C.
@routtookc8064
@routtookc8064 Год назад
@@alphaomega5001 you run your heat pump from solar?
@alphaomega5001
@alphaomega5001 Год назад
@@routtookc8064My configuration is a 1KW grid tie and it does offset the cost of the heat pump costs, but I do know people that have a 3KW off grid system (Solar + Battery) that works for them.
@austincodes
@austincodes Год назад
Really loved the video intro. Great job explaining the problem and getting me excited to listen to the rest of the video essay
@karloshagen4037
@karloshagen4037 Год назад
Don’t have this system but I have been thinking about underfloor heating running off a heat pump. Concrete has a greater thermal mass than air and would be so good to hear a large slab in winter and cool it in summer
@Martocciaweb
@Martocciaweb Год назад
I have a slab foundation and it absorbs heat and cold really well. The problem is that the slab is down low so it doesn’t cool upper floors in the summer or help heat the lower floors in winter. Def better for single story homes.
@karloshagen4037
@karloshagen4037 Год назад
@@Martocciaweb yep. Single story is ideal it would seem. Obviously a consideration on brand new builds.
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 Год назад
Also heard you can run into problems in spring days with wide temperature swings. Freeze at night and nice during the day. You still have a lot of thermal heat in the concrete but it warm out and it makes the house to hot.
@Tah_Dot
@Tah_Dot Год назад
I'd say just stick with water heater flooring. a heat pump would use to much energy overall and be next to useless since refrigerant pressures would not be stable since it's not consistent airflow/temperature plus during cooling season your floors would be cooled which for a concrete floor is next to useless.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
@@Tah_Dot Underfloor heating from a HP is always water based. The HP runs refrigerant through a heat exchanger and heats or cools the water. In practice very few installations cool floors because there's little benefit but many drawbacks with this
@daganeffer7571
@daganeffer7571 Год назад
I want to start off by saying this was a very well put together video, do you have a lot of really accurate and up-to-date information about how refrigeration systems work. I do want to clarify that heat pump systems you seem to fail at around the freezing point of water so 32°F. All of the HVAC systems work by moving air along the coils and if the air flowing around the coils is around freezing it will slowly freeze water to the coils, thus freezing ice being attached to the coils reducing your airflow, which will get your pressures of your refrigerant way out of whack. I do really like heat pump systems they’re much more efficient than resistive heat strips there are a few kinks that need to be worked out though. All in all really solid video you earn a subscriber from this keep it up
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
Modern heat pumps use various arrangements of hot gas bypass and other defrosting systems to keep the coils ice free to well below minus 15 deg C ambient.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 Thanks for answering Dagan's question. He needs a computer, then he has to know how to "surf" and then put his questions into the little box at the top and press return (carriage return). He will get many clear explanations about how a HP works. It can be run on ANY gas, including air. But that is probably illegal in USA and no one will install a system for him as they are all working in the same concentration camp where smart solutions are verboten!
@Danish_Guy_77
@Danish_Guy_77 Год назад
Heatpumps been used in Scandinavia for many years, both air to air and air to water, for underfloor heating, freon are not used anymore but another less damaging fluid, most here have a Cop value of 5, so 1 kw in get you 5 kw out, so very energy efficient
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Years beyond USA in Europe yet yanks STILL rant on in far in height nonsense and mules and feet and pigeons and horses, jesus sad to have to wade through all this trash which was discarded 150 years ago. CENTIGRADE is a measure of temperature - try to teach that to yanks! They just don't want to make ANY progress. "but they is the best" - sure buddy. Way beyond the moon.
@edwards2990
@edwards2990 Год назад
is this a lessen in Air Conditioning. what about using accustic refrigerating . or SOUND .
@zaphods2ndhead193
@zaphods2ndhead193 Год назад
The key to a heat pump working to cool your house is the refrigerant is compressed and heated up so that it is hotter than the outside air. The outside air the cools off the hot refrigerant so when it decompresses after the expansion valve it is now cooler than your indoor air. The opposite is true as well when it is run in reverse to heat your home. It has to cool the liquid to be colder than the outside air warms the refrigerant before being compressed to make it even hotter than your indoor air. The limitations are if it is too hot outside, the compressed refrigerant is at the same temp or cooler than the outside air and stops working. In reverse it can't cool the refrigerant below the temp of the outside air and stops working.
@Shelbyj13
@Shelbyj13 Год назад
A heat pump is the same thing as a traditional AC when in cooling mode.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
So you watched the video and regurgitated it - well done. I did that sort of thing when I was 8 years old too. What was your point?
@zaphods2ndhead193
@zaphods2ndhead193 Год назад
@@kennethkeen1234 There is a reason heating oil and natural gas furnaces are used in very cold climates. They are more efficient. There is a reason evaporative cooling is used in extremely hot and dry climates. They are more efficient.
@robertbolding4182
@robertbolding4182 Год назад
I've had a 18 seer heat pump for the last 25 years I'm way ahead of the Tesla's curve along with super insulation along with 8 in of continuous polyisocyanate insulation
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
You are one in a million. I think there are 300 like you in USA. No maybe 100. But what is a seer? A spelling mistake or a government scheme or a trade name or a colour?
@MrOpinionCantSignIn
@MrOpinionCantSignIn Год назад
Gonna take some time to convince me I had a A/C - heatpump - heppafilter decades ago ..... now admittedly technology has advanced, but by nature 'heating' is way slower than cooling in heat pumps and walking into a 30F house and waiting 2 hrs before taking my coats off doesn't exactly suit me ..... I already struggle with the initial warm up delay in ICE cas before getting heat . Now my home unit had 'auxiliary' resistive heating to compensate for delays (sadly they were burnt out) .... but I still think it is sonething needed for the initial warm up
@toddmarshall7573
@toddmarshall7573 Год назад
2:05 "...but they've really only been becoming common in the last 10 years or so...": Unless you're in the motel business. There they've been common for over 50 years.
@savetheplanet8450
@savetheplanet8450 Год назад
I have another idea about Ventilate room during winter without cooling it So - two tubes side to side all along , through one heat air going out while through other coming from outside air heating simultaneously Little bit of energy was needed in this case for actually push air But its much much less then in Heatpump scenario If compare it would be 1/100 for example or less , ...
@savetheplanet8450
@savetheplanet8450 Год назад
Ha yea and - tubes should be long , i mean very long To provide decent heat exchange
@honeytubs
@honeytubs Год назад
There is a thing called a heat recovery ventilator that does what you are thinking about.
@savetheplanet8450
@savetheplanet8450 Год назад
@@honeytubs yes its extremely efficient variation of those, when not a part but almost all amount of heat was recovered
@NotOurRemedy
@NotOurRemedy Год назад
You never explained how efficiency will be helped by Tesla’s unit. Heat pumps are the future. I love Tesla/spacex. I don’t think there is some killer avenue that Tesla can go into to undercut the industry. Mitsubishi and Daikin are putting out every trick in the book as it is. There is no hesitancy to forge ahead in HVAC unlike the car industry 2007.
@alanmay7929
@alanmay7929 Год назад
Tesla has nothing to do with HVAC in building the most important issue to solve is building proper insulation and those people never mention that!
@NotOurRemedy
@NotOurRemedy Год назад
@@alanmay7929 you forgot air sealing. But air sealing and insulation yes are the most important things.
@florforever1
@florforever1 Год назад
What about rolling blackouts are just power lines down For that which is connected to an electrical line but of course somewhat maybe I already have a backed up store energy
@traveleats6833
@traveleats6833 Год назад
in the mid '80s I sold a wide variety of heat pumps to the residential market. Living in Canada, I was often asked how a heat pump gets heat from cold air. I would ask the client and then quickly answer.. what is the difference between 10C and -10C? 20 degrees of heat! The heat pump extracts the heat from outside and moves it inside. The biggest difference for most people is the temp coming out of the register in the house. An oil furnace or gas furnace delivers 110F and is very warm to touch. A heat pump delivers air at the register about 90F - problem is the body is at 98F, so it feels cool to the body. Put your hand over the register, a gas/oil feels warm, and a heat pump at 90F against a 98F hand feels cool. Common question: How can that heat my home?? A house is usually 70F - the heat pump even at 90F is delivering 20F of heat. In the room it feels the same 70F. Modern heat pumps are getting efficient - a significant saving in most of Canada at 30%
@waynethefridgemanosborne8984
replaced gas wall furnace with ducted air heat pump . as well as better heating and cooling throughout the house. the air filtering system picks up so much
@BeaverZer0
@BeaverZer0 Год назад
"Freon" is a name brand, like Tylonol. The chemical is R-22 and it is obsolete. While it is still common, it is no longer produced or imported in many nations, including Canada. This is because it is a HCFC. Hydrochloroflorocarbon. The newer, "Puron" (also a name brand) R-410A is the current air conditioning refrigerant. It is an HFC, they removed the chlorine.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Good to get straight info. Clearly not an American.
@cramhead
@cramhead Год назад
Thanks for the great video. It was interesting hearing that Elon and I agree on this one. I think the idea of a heat pump is great, but it's got to be quiet. I live in a condo, so my neighbours are close by. I really don't want to listen to my neighbour's heat pump all night long. Until it's quiet it's not going to viable. 58 decibels is currently the best I've seen. I would think 30 decibels is where it be reasonable to consider the switch.
@darrellhenrylack2665
@darrellhenrylack2665 Год назад
In 1982 I purchased a house built in 1850 and had a long wood/oil furnace that gobbled up 2 cords (at a cost of $100) of wood the first winter in Minnesota. Before the onslaught of winter the following year I installed 20 KW of resistance heating in the duct work on the dual fuel program by the local rural electric utility. My heating bill went up to about $250 a month. The following year I purchased a used 3 ton heat pump, replaced the compressor, had outside help of an electrician and HVAC guy and my monthly bill dropped to less than $150. Go with the HEAT PUMPS ! ! !
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
You probably have the oldest house in USA - I have a modern house - 18th century and my neighbours' houses are from the 14th century but don't blow away in the wind!
@rkramer5629
@rkramer5629 Год назад
Everything I’ve seen Musk say about HVAC already exists including whole home hepa systems and WiFi/programmable thermostats. Whatever they might come up with would need to be pretty groundbreaking
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
"pretty" What do you mean by this?
@richardrada8108
@richardrada8108 Год назад
Hi, living in Miami in early 1980’s we had a “conventional AC freon system”. I calling it that as I’m not a AC engineer but compressor outside & air handler inside, small one zone house. We purchased the house new, and it came with a small heat exchanger outside the house, a device about the size of a shoe box mounted on the exterior wall. The compressor hot side freon was piped thru that small 1/4” maybe copper tubing to the box, thru a coil, that ran with water from the hot water tank immediately inside the wall in garage. So when the AC was in use, say almost 9-10 months of the year, I would turn off the electric HW CB and the AC used this device to lower the freon temp before the air cooling part of the compressor. Creating a very efficient system. So as a matter of fact the more hot water we used the better it worked? Basically unlimited free hot water and an air conditioner using presumably far less run time as a water based heat exchanger has to be multiple X more effective than an air based heat exchanger. Well I often wondered why every house in Fl, or anywhere else in the south didn’t have a unit like this. I can only guess that the “power companies” want to sell you electric not save electric. So maybe they bought the rights to the device and put it out of business. In summer I often just opened the HW taps in the house and let them run, i hate to waste water but it made a good system even work better! That house was the only house I’ve ever seen with that device. Well thats my 2 cents!
@seekerstan
@seekerstan Год назад
You barely touched on one of the major functions of car heating system. You mentioned the Octovalve which I'm fairly sure means nothing to most people. It is where all of the different coolants in the car come together and get sorted out depending on how they need to be treated. So if you are running on the highway and your electric motors and batteries are generating heat, and you also need cabin heat then motor heat can be harvested to make cabin heat more efficient. However when the conditions change and the cabin needs cooling or even the drive electrics need a cooling bost the various cooling fluids can be redirected so each takes the path that will get the desired results with the least amount of battery energy used to get the job done.
@fredflickinger643
@fredflickinger643 Год назад
I believe this is only one prong of a multi prong approach which also requires that we build and operate our homes to be more efficient. Passive home standards go along way towards reaching this goal where a car sized heat pump may be all you need for a small home.
@erickbravo5800
@erickbravo5800 Год назад
Just a quick history lesson on REFRIGERANTS, Freon is a name brand. I was an HVAC technician so here's some info. R-410a was introduced as the alternative to CFC's (R-22) which depleted the ozone layer due to its chlorine molecule. But over time R-410a being an HFC, was found to contribute to green house gases due to its hydrogen molecule. So now we are tying propane based type refrigerants.
@guringai
@guringai Год назад
Thanks for some facts Erick. We just installed a 14 kW reverse cycle heat pump in our office.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
Looks like the next generation after R32 is going to be CO2! It's already on the market in Japan.
@erickbravo5800
@erickbravo5800 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 oh goodness, I hope not 🤦‍♂️
@guringai
@guringai Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 . Is that for reverse cycle air conditioning, or just for water heating? We've been using Japanese tech hot water heat pumps (Sanden, & Reclaim Energy) here in Australia for about 10 years (& personally at our house for 8 years) & I can testify are highly efficient & quiet.
@henryyopp9094
@henryyopp9094 Год назад
Propane based refrigerants have hydrogen too.
@toddmarshall7573
@toddmarshall7573 Год назад
0:50 "...goes to controlling the temperature of our air...": And that is foolish. I never turn on the heat above 50 degrees. And I never turn on the A/C below 90 degrees. That's a 40 degree spread using no energy at all. And I'm always comfortable. You see, your body adapts and your comfort zone expands dramatically...and your health improves. Try it.
@zipp5398
@zipp5398 Год назад
I was waiting for you to mention that heat pumps won’t work in cold temperatures. have the same problem where I live. They have made improvements recently talk to an HVAC guy and he said that they’ve come out with one that now works down to 22 below efficiently and affectively but they still recommend having an additional heater in the home For heating considering sometimes we get down to 30 below for weeks or even 60 below at night occasionally by the way that’s Fahrenheit for anyone who wants to know. Just a sidenote this is excellent weather if you have a smoker 😋🤤 Good job on the video really enjoyed all the information was a great review of some of the stuff I already knew And the Tesla information was really interesting.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
No one knows or cares what far in height is - forget that nonsense. The world war is over, we had yet another world war - it is over too, we have made progress while America remains in the 1920s. Jesus.
@AK_Vortex
@AK_Vortex Год назад
I don't own a Tesla HP but I do own a Daiken HP that can be firmware updated, I can control temps and ranges from an app on my phone and I have a two stage filter system including HEPA and ionization filters. We run completely electrical in my house except for propane on demand hot water and factoring that in, I'd say along with some energy improvements like newer windows and doors, etc. Our overall electrical bill has dropped by more than 50%. Even in the summer when cooling.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Not always the same answer. nasa. ;-) Sensible answer yet no comments nor even "likes".
@georgedrelios3568
@georgedrelios3568 Год назад
Does the Model Y not have a special Hepa air filter set up like Model S and X?
@johnmartin3517
@johnmartin3517 Год назад
I applied for grant from doe in 1977 to build an air conditioner the uses no electric power ...only sunlight. it was an over grown version of the (ice ball) camper fridge. I was beat out by a window sized solar heater made from beer cans!
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
You were well ahead of the posse! Great thinking to come up with that so long ago when solar wasn't much of a thing outside the spave programme.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 the spave? What in god's name is this - kuntucky special club?
@Tmoore5280
@Tmoore5280 Год назад
Is Freon still allowed? Is that a Colorado thing that we use a replacement?
@markbeiser
@markbeiser Год назад
"Freon" is a trade marked brand name of some refrigerants made by DuPont, there are many refrigerants. R-22 is likely what you are referring to. I has not come in any new systems since 2009, or been produced or imported for use in the US since 1/1/20. In the US, systems using it can still be charged with it, but it is getting very expensive. Current equipment uses R-410A, an HFC refrigerant, but all new equipment will be using HFO refrigerants starting 1/1/23. No telling how long before they find a problem with HFO refrigerants and move to something else...
@scott32714keiser
@scott32714keiser Год назад
thermal energy is best in space but under the ground about 3 feet down will be cool around the same temp all year so in the summer it cools you and in the winter it heats you. You don't need to use energy to move heat up you can use low pressure heat pipes for that you only need to pump a liquid up to use it as cooling but it's free heat just need to use a water pump to use it for cooling but moving water is more efficient than running a air compressor
@brad4013
@brad4013 Год назад
Can the same heat pump be used to heat the water in your home? If you are using this system to cool your home the excess heat be put to work.
@stevenf1678
@stevenf1678 Год назад
Yes you can buy heat pump water heaters or you can get a system heats air and water.
@kk4649k
@kk4649k Год назад
glad heat pump and geo thermal style is gaining more attention in the states. They're way more efficient and eco friendly.
@troystutsman1400
@troystutsman1400 Год назад
Back in the mid to late 80’s I was stationed at the Naval Base in Norfolk, Virginia… I lived in Virginia Beach where we had a new town house built and they used a heat pump system way back then…
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
I went to Newtownards last month. Lots of virgins there I bet.
@paulachisholm2575
@paulachisholm2575 Год назад
Lol. Loved your content again xxxx
@randycrowe4978
@randycrowe4978 Год назад
Very good video. I wonder though, why not use the heat pump system to heat the water for the house, or cool your refridgerator, or dry your clothes... why not produce a single unit that will take care of it all efficiently?
@GSimpsonOAM
@GSimpsonOAM Год назад
The problem with trying to heat water is that it needs to be heated to about 60degC. This requires the gas in the machine to be compressed to a much higher pressure than one dumping heat to ambient air temps. It is also at the top end of the operational range of the current range of refrigerants. We uses R717 which is one of the oldest but one of the most effective refrigerants but even that tops out at around 70degC We are designing a hot water heating system at work and requires 25bar pressure to operate whereas the normal pressure is 10bar. Its capacity will be approx. 5 mega Watts. The pressure ranges and demands of a refrigerator and a dryer are quite different and so better to keep them as independent units.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
@@GSimpsonOAM Best answer yet. Someone who can use English to transfer ideas! Seldom on this YT trash page. R717 and producing 5MW? That sounds like fantasy. Or are you heating a factory?
@GSimpsonOAM
@GSimpsonOAM Год назад
​@@kennethkeen1234 Yes, heating water for a factory. Although a friend with several teen-age daughters could have done with it. His hot water bill was horrendous.
@ChaJ67
@ChaJ67 Год назад
It is not Freon, it is R410a, at least in North America most commonly. Freon is generally banned because it is super crazy damaging to the environment, a lot more than R410a. You could use a few others. Something often overlooked is propane is the least damaging refrigerant we have today; it is just flammable. Then again when the system is not supposed to leak and we use propane all of the time, it seems more hype then real problem. R410a has a boiling point of -48.5C, so this whole "it's too cold to boil" is made up by you. There is a problem in creating a big enough temperature differential and that is real for your Canadian climate. That 3x improvement in efficiency is more like if you are in Southern California. By the way I do have a heat pump while living in SoCal. Works great. Costs to run are modest with the biggest thing is energy is crazy expensive in SoCal. Even with the crazy energy prices, not too hard on the pocket book as it is really efficient. I think the big thing you need to think about, which is almost completely missed in this piece, is how to effectively use a heat pump and even air conditioner in a wide range of climates. You could for example get a Lennox "dual fuel" heat pump where if it is not too cold out, it is a regular heat pump. If it is like Canadian cold out, then it runs a little outdoor furnace to warm the refrigerant. Supposed to be super efficient at extracting the heat from the furnace bit and then warms the place like a typical heat pump would. Another year round option is either buried coils or bore holes in the ground and stuff the coil into them. The idea being underground is a more constant temperature, at least when you go deep enough, so then if it is super cold out, you get the heat from the relatively warm ground and in the summer you dump the heat into the relatively cool ground. Another play on this is say have the coil go around your pool for summer cooling. Water is a lot more dense than air, so is a much better thing to exchange heat with if you are looking for efficiency. Pools are never warm enough, even in SoCal, so a great place to dump heat in the summer, granted you do it right and don't end up with too many issues of a clogged system. Granted pools are high maintenance items so it is up to whatever you are willing to maintain ultimately determining what kind of setup will work for you. Maybe as an alternative have a pre-warming water tank before your water heater with the notion your air conditioner can dump heat into cool tap water. To help maximize efficiency, if you have ever had a pool, the water always stratifies heat wise so warm water is on top and cold water sinks to the bottom unless you go out of your way to mix it. So for your air conditioner running during the hottest part of the day / coming home from work while still hot out, have it draw from the bottom of the pre-warming tank and dump into the top. Then have the water heater draw from the top of the tank. I have noticed my inverter based ACs are far more efficient with cooler outside air to work with, so summer days I have worked late, I have noticed cooling down the house has used far less energy than say mid day cooling on the weekend when I am home all day. This extends that out into say the tap water is 20 C while the outside air is 40 C. The air conditioner using that 20 C water to cool the house may use say 1/4th the power or less for the same amount of cooling. 75% - 80% reduction in power for the same amount of cooling is huge. Then the water heater may draw in say 25 C water to warm instead of 20 C water and use less energy to warm it. Of course add in the super efficiency that Tesla has come up with to the above and you should have vastly more efficient cooling and heating that should work well anywhere depending on the exact setup you use. So for Canada, you best bet is to probably drill holes in the ground or at least so something like the Lennox "dual fuel" system. In SoCal, if I could do the extra water tank, I would be in pretty good shape as well as for people with a pool, if they could tap into that it would be good. I already have an efficient inverter based system with remote control, so already have a big leg up on those with more dumb and inefficient systems.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
1st prize for the most exact explanation of a real situation which could be important to most people in USA. AND you didn't use the antiquated far in height nonsense when talking of temperature. Good point about the bottom of the pool being cool, surely some heatpump providers already use this fact in the land of huts? In my own case I simply bought a house with an infinite amount of water available which could be used as a heat source and also to generate electricity. There are billions of locations on the planet where others could do the same but they are slaves to some boss who will not let them live in a tolerable climate. If they had got an education then they could understand these points and also been useful to employers who want smart people and not just idiots who push buttons at the right time. Efficiency is the CORE or all this and animals have PERFECTED themselves to not need any of the above. OR you move out of the heat or out of the cold if it is uncomfortable. The birds even with small brains do this and most want nothing to do with humans as they regard us as ignorant, clumsy, dangerous and stubburn creatures who are not to be trusted. In 99.9% of cases they are right, but not always.
@gkissell2
@gkissell2 Год назад
My 1500sqf ranch home, near Seattle, was built in 1969. All electric with baseboard heat. The winter power bills averaged about $350 per month! Some winters even more. No A/C. About five years ago, I installed a gee-whiz mini-split two zone variable speed inverter heat pump. Energy efficient refrigerator, cloths washer and dryer, and a heat-pump water heater. Almost entirely LED lighting. Energy efficient windows and some insulation about fifteen years ago. I have smart control over the HVAC. Carefully crafted schedules for heat and cool, to maximize comfort and savings. I even circulate hot water, on demand, so the shower is instantly hot when I am ready. No wasted cold water down the drain. None of the changes made much difference in power usage except the for the heat pump(s.) My 2022 summer power usage peaked at $41 for the month of July. I was not stingy with the A/C. I keep the house toasty when I feel like and very cool compared to the 'recommended A/C temperature of 78.' (70 to 74 depending on mood.) I will spend less than seven-hundred dollars for power this year. Average about twenty-five hundred per year before the heat pump. And now it is comfortable, hot or cold weather. I cannot imagine living without an efficient variable speed heat pump system again. Indoor temperature is 100% stable all day long, no ups or downs. The heat pump energy savings are so good, a solar system is no longer an option for my house. -G
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
I am impressed with your figures but sadly you are still using units that no one has any interest in around the world. Apple+K keys gets you a ˚ symbol instead of using the ' which is useful information for you perhaps. I prefer my own system which does not use dallars at all but kWh which is what the whole world runs on and that is kept to a few kWh in summer or winter because I am stingy. But what can we expect from yanks? Waste, and further waste and self-destruction. OK but please stay at home!
@user-dr2pg8fk2i
@user-dr2pg8fk2i Год назад
You can already buy HEPA filtration systems for your home. Either stand alone or integrated into your current HVAC system.
@yurikleyman8558
@yurikleyman8558 Год назад
Great Tesla for Elon Musk's ideas !
@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555
Nice video. Finally, I've always been disappointed about how videos state heat pumps simply move heat around. I always felt that to be a dubious comment. I always knew that the refrigerant in an A/C was "COMPRESSED" and from simple HS chemistry that compressing a gas causes it to heat up ( it didn't transfer in from anywhere it had work done on it meaning ... energy in ) it was then pipped to the outside coil to have heat removed from it, before it was taken to the evaporative coil to be allowed to expand back into a gas which when a gas expands it removes heat from the surrounding environment. To me a heat pump, for a residential system, is just deciding which side of the compressor you are using inside your house. Are you using the compression side to get heat in or the evaporative side to get heat out.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Probably too demanding to get a comment here. This net is primarily used by children who are not yet hooked by porn or drugs in USA. Don't even TRY to teach adults from USA how to write down the time. 2022 10 28 15:19
@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555
@@kennethkeen1234 Kind of lost me with that time reference....
@tracezachdaniels4264
@tracezachdaniels4264 Год назад
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@martinlutz2390
@martinlutz2390 Год назад
9:17 an EV heater or any electric heater actually have very low resistance. This low resistance (see Ohms law) allows high current flow and heating element to get hot.
@jvarelacap
@jvarelacap Год назад
In this video it is mentioned that heat pumps generally use Freon as refrigerant and the specific heat pump you show in 1:58 with a big X on it uses natural refrigerant, what is completely harmless to the environment while providing better operation conditions.
@timothylee6300
@timothylee6300 Год назад
These can run on clean natural gas and my digital Honeywell is fully programmable with a work schedule,day,night etc and is controllable from my phone from anywhere in the USA.
@nathanwise6385
@nathanwise6385 Год назад
This has much broader implications. The next step after the heat pump is the ERV. The Energy Recovery Ventilator, which can save heat on the exhaust end and moisture as well. The Passivhaus movement has been on this for 30 plus years.
@brandtubez
@brandtubez Год назад
This is the guy that does the chemistry TikToks, isn’t it? We’ll never forget the gold!
@akiranaski2280
@akiranaski2280 Год назад
Heat pump has been widely in use for residential since 1990’s. Not last 10 yrs as you stated, just want to correct that.
@danielnicola1602
@danielnicola1602 Год назад
My home has been running on one since 1973. There was a major movement towards electrification that came with the development of nuclear plants. Soon after, Three Mile Island was used as proof of flirting with Armageddon, advancements in nuclear ceased and guess who dominated energy for another half century and running. Heat pump advancements have not ceased however and the model y car pump is great advancing engineering.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Yes in Nebraska or Chenzolange or Missathutets. But elsewhere we have known HP for hundreds of years but you were kept in the dark and used and abused but didn't understand.
@luke2f44
@luke2f44 Год назад
You had me up until you said “Freon” might as well just call it “the cold juice” at that point. Proper term is refrigerant, Freon is a brand name.
@davidbruner226
@davidbruner226 Год назад
It is honestly overdue to implement an updated version of heat pump technology in reducing global warming, where it is feasible (which is likely over 90% of the global market). It is an expensive transition though, and at least in the US, it is the best time ever to start this process due to the recent bill passed subsidizing heat pumps for home HVAC as well as water heating. In many cases up to 80% of the cost can be covered!
@richardrada8108
@richardrada8108 Год назад
In addition to my AC story below I had another older house, this one in Maine on the coast. Well this house had an 80 gallon electric resistance HW heater. Well several people told me , jeez you better get rid of that as it will kill you with electric bill. 4 kids, 3 girls, get the picture. However the HW heater had a time of day device that it only ran on “off peak” electric rates. So “on peak” say electric was maybe 10 cents KWH. Off peak was like 1 cent KWH. Peak was 8am to noon. Then 4pm till 8pm. Monday thru Friday. Weekends off peak. So the unit had an override button to enable HW to be produced during peak, at 10X the off peak price. I think in about 15 years I used it once or twice. Furthermore everything in the house that consumed electricity worked on the same cycle, in other words run the darn dishwasher or washing machine AFTER 8pm, HELLO. So not only was our electricity bill very modest we were helping the grid load by doing everything during the so called dump rate time of day. How simple is this, why doesn’t every house have this system. You can forget about building new power plants as the ones we have would be running much more efficiently eliminating the current peaks and troughs. Simple.
@RobinI92
@RobinI92 Год назад
Lol in sweden we have used heatpumps since the -80’s became common in the -90’s and is a demand nowdays to pass inspection on new bilding. And there is heatpumps avalibel that works down to -30celcius or you could use geothermal and dont need to worry about outside temp and get better cop too.
@robert-antoinedenault5901
@robert-antoinedenault5901 Год назад
As anyone knows that tech is expensive as electricity is utilized to create heat and more to move it. The best option that has been utilized for over 10k years but modified properly in the 1400's and subsequently in the 1940's in the USA is geothermal. Heat and coolness is produced "for free" by the ground and requires a fraction of electricity to circulate it into the house. It can work in any environment extreme heat or extreme cold. The only limitation is the available (depth) ground near the home. These systems can last 50 to 100 and more for the same cost or less in the replacement of these traditional heating/cooling system. And requires far less electricity to function. Per example if the exterior temp is 100⁰F the heat pump needs to work harder and longer to maintain an interior temp of 65⁰F whereas a geothermal the system draws the heat in the home into the (colder) ground and on it's return will draw the cold for the ground into the home. The only electricity use on these systems are for in floor radiant the use of pumps and the other option is to tie into the pre-existing HVAC system with pumps and an air exchange unit (transfer heat/cold to air). Tesla's tech is a cheap version of geothermal that has been utilized since the early 80's as fuel prices went down but 10 years prior geothermal was the way to go as it was the oil crisis and any and all fuel types were extremely expensive. We find ourselves again in such a situation and energy specialists all over the USA are constantly hammering for expensive technology. People wake and smell the roses. Fyi many homes are anyways connected to a heat source(furnaces) and AC unit. Now look into geothermal and also to better your insulation. A home in the south or in the north should have the same rating. It is there to prevent loss and the outside temp from entering. Most in Florida cool outside as the majority don't have any insulation. Same occurs in the north (Alaska, Oregon, Canada). Best way to notice if you are lacking insulation in winter is the lack of snow built-up on the roof. As proper insulation does not transfer to the roof therefore snow built-up is it's consequence
@joelabraham708
@joelabraham708 Год назад
these are the vital innovations needed for The Future(tm): electric cars, and heat pumps ... also, viking landers on mars - next up, that radical innovation _disco music_ wow, the future sounds like a pretty cool place - I know jimmy carter's really excited by it
@rogerholder388
@rogerholder388 Год назад
Freon is a brand name of DuPont. Refrigerant is something that boils and turns from a liquid to a vapor at a lower pressure and temperature absorbing heat. Reject heat at a higher temperature and pressure turns a vapor to a liquid.
@johnschreiber1574
@johnschreiber1574 Год назад
Without a discussion of latent heat of vaporization, this is a pretty lackluster explanation of heat pumps. The compressor does not actively add heat to the process, it is a side effect. Heat pumps move heat, and they can do this due to the "magic" of latent heat.
@thescooterstore2813
@thescooterstore2813 Год назад
Saving 75% with a COP 5 heat pump and solar panels here in Sweden. No batteries yet, except for the ones that we can’t yet use V2G in our Tesla cars. But hope Powerwalls will soon be sold in Sweden to complete our system.
@LCD72
@LCD72 Год назад
What is the make and model of your COP 5 heat pump?
@thescooterstore2813
@thescooterstore2813 Год назад
@@LCD72 Toshiba
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
Why not just use a regular battery? Half the price and still has a ridiculously long payback period.
@thescooterstore2813
@thescooterstore2813 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 a average household needs like 30-40kW to keep everything running 24 hours in case of a blackout. Normal blackouts last 1-2 hours. But unrealistic and unnecessary for most people to buy 3 PowerWalls. Most people in the near future will buy a BEV with maybe 60-90kW batteries so V2G and V2H is a must. Because we can then balance the grid and at the same time earn money buy when price is low and use or sell when it’s high a bonus is that you have backup power. If you are not a technical genius you need one Powerwall to manage this task. The thing is that Elon so far is not willing to give us V2G or even V2H.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
@@thescooterstore2813 If you need a battery, you can just buy a battery, any size, modular or otherwise. So far Powerwalls are nothing special. That might change, but if it does it will probably just make them smaller. A normal house might need 20 or 30 kWh to get over an extended outage of a few hours but unless people are doing things like using washing machines and dryers during the outage and the supply is down for significant timespans more than that is likely to be surplus to requirements. My own view is that if there's spare cash it's best spent on decent controls in the first instance so that you at least have UPS functionality and a rock steady waveform. Improved feed-in tariffs might make bigger batteries more financially viable in the future but I doubt it. Utilities are clever at making sure that customers always continue to pay them when everything is calculated over time and they usually don't like unpredictable supplies hitting their transmission network because such supplies are far more likely to cause imbalance than the other way around. Despite the lip service given by utilities the world over, they almost never encourage microgeneration, or even larger scale generation by non-utility entities, for example PV on large industrial roofs. It adversely affects their bottom line and when the chips are down they want to control generation and transmission because that's where they make their money.
@tonydeveyra4611
@tonydeveyra4611 Год назад
Tesla is all about vertical integration, so it seems obvious to me that the next thing they do with their HVAC/HeatPump is integrate it with both solar and batteries. There's a concept called PVT, or PhotoVoltaic-Thermal, where you have a panel that collects both electrons from sunlight but also heat energy from the sun. The solar heat collected from these panels would then be transferred to the heat pump. The heat pump can also collect any excess heat produced by the Powerwall. This would result in cooler solar panels (which produce more energy and last much, much longer) and zero-cost heat energy that can be used to make hot water or warm the house. There are even thermal loops that can transform that heat energy into cooling energy through compressor loops.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
Doesn't the existence of the term PVT give a clue to the fact that this is nothing new? PVT systems that also integrate heat recovery ventilation and domestic hot water are quite common these days, in fact many European countries have included them in mandatory building codes, to a greater or lesser extent depending on location and climate.
@tonydeveyra4611
@tonydeveyra4611 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 something doesn't have to be new for it to be significant.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
@@tonydeveyra4611 Well that's true, but in this case the whole thrust of the video is that what's presented is new, when it's really just a reheat of existing tech in a shiny box.
@tonydeveyra4611
@tonydeveyra4611 Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 the opportunities for innovation are in manufacturing process and integration. I doubt any of the europeans have integrated PVT with a heat pump and a home battery's thermal management system.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
@@tonydeveyra4611 Home batteries are not all that common in Europe, at least not big ones so there's usually little advantage in adding specific means of recovering heat from them. It's usually done passively or people just use their cars or domestic hot water as storage. As for integrated PV, almost every domestic system (as opposed to individual plant items) is sold with the express capability of integrating with whatever PV panels the user wants to use. The three manufacturers that spring to mind are Nibe, Panasonic (Aguarea) and Daikin (Althema), two of which are Japanese, not European, as you know. There are many other examples.
@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler
@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler Год назад
I'm going to give you the inside scoop about how this heat pump is going to work will be multiple small heat pumps just like in the vehicle and what they will do is string them together on the same shaft that way it can gain maximum efficiency and what it will do is physically only run one heat pump per room or two this way you can actually select the room that you want to have colder than the others and you can control the airflow individually to each room you can have heat running in one room and air condition running in another just depending on what the person in the room preferences and individual thermostats for each individual room this would allow ultimate efficiency combined with artificial intelligence to control the entire system as a whole... having all of the compressors hooked up on the same rotor means that they can individually kick in and if there's more than one of them kicking in they both work together so it helps get the other compressors up to speed and cuts down the energy loss. Because the system will be able to have multiple different heat pumps it can run one of them on air condition mode and the other on heat mode which will basically make dry air because once you heat up the air the moisture can be absorbed by the one cooling easier and you can control the actual humidity perfectly. Mark my words this will be how the system will work it will be for new construction and for retrofitting because you're able to hook up the individual ducts instead of the entire manifold which supplies all the ducts...
@NotOurRemedy
@NotOurRemedy Год назад
You don’t know what you are talking about.
@gigemgreg
@gigemgreg Год назад
And from the lack of punctuation above you can't write.
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
It would be cheaper, easier and more efficient to install any of the many VRF or VRV systems that have already been on the market for thirty years.
@NotOurRemedy
@NotOurRemedy Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 I’m a commercial technician. That’s kind of what I’m getting at. There isn’t any advanced tech that isn’t already being tried with HVAC. It’s all being tried and explored. Unlike electric vehicles in 2007 and reusable rockets in 2015.
@NotOurRemedy
@NotOurRemedy Год назад
@@mikekelly5869 I’m a commercial technician. That’s kind of what I’m getting at. There isn’t any advanced tech that isn’t already being tried with HVAC. It’s all being tried and explored. Unlike electric vehicles in 2007 and reusable rockets in 2015.
@jmrumble
@jmrumble Год назад
The Promethius from SG1! Nice! 👍
@jerrym1070
@jerrym1070 Год назад
For air quality , you just need a aprilaire air whole house filter , great product with over 50 years of outstanding performance
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
Yep, a decent quality product without the energy penalty and high maintenance of a HEPA filter. HEPA is usually OTT for a house
@lNOFXlCronier
@lNOFXlCronier 11 месяцев назад
Omg I'm late to this... Uhhh... You must be from Toronto if you occasionally get - 20°C weather... By Toronto I'm including all GTA and most things surrounding that as well lol. I guess I can include the Vancouver area in that as well...
@SolGuy42
@SolGuy42 Год назад
The marketing name ‘heat pump’ is a reversible heat pump. In the US deep south all home air coolers are heat pumps… just one way. They last X years. Make them two way and they will last X/y years.
@jamestyrer907
@jamestyrer907 Год назад
I would hope that Tesla systems would at least offer high end systems with things that are missing in even SEER2 23 rated heat pumps. Accumulator; Rectifiers (liquid/gas seperators ahead of the expansion valves); Counter flow heat exchanger ahead of the evaporator coil; Desuperator to help heat the hot water when in the A/C mode. A (thermal) solar panel booster when operating as a heater is also a possibility.
@Marc_Gagne
@Marc_Gagne Год назад
On your membership page why don't you introduce 'Cyber Truck' and 'Semi-truck' memberships for the truckers?
@preciousmarytula4885
@preciousmarytula4885 Год назад
Very interesting
@MrPDawes
@MrPDawes Год назад
I already got rig of my gas supply and use air conditioning to heat or cool my house. Since I have solar PV as well the running cost is near zero and even on the coldest days it can heat my house sometimes requiring just a small amount of energy from the grid if it's cloudy or night time. Since the energy prices have shot through the roof here in the UK I can definitely say this is the future, but every property should be covered in Solar PV. I don't yet have water heating though, but I get by with using much less than most, heating only what I use. Solar Thermal would be nice.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Simple rule for sad people who live in a dismal climate - go to bed when the sun goes down and get up when the sun rises. Never heat at all, and in summer make shadows by planting trees directly covering the roof from sun.
@MOBMJ
@MOBMJ Год назад
An HVAC unit like this would be amazing especially where I live in California
@spinnymathingy3149
@spinnymathingy3149 Год назад
They have been in worldwide use for over 60 years, there would be a dozen retailers close by wherever you are
@smitty2222
@smitty2222 Год назад
Huge issue when temperature drops below 20 degrees and the resistance heat kick in Looking forward to new super efficient heat pump that can handle the extra cold days without spiking electricity unsay.
@pilotavery
@pilotavery Год назад
Ground sourced heat pumps have a stable 70 degree sink all year round.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Years beyond USA in Europe yet yanks STILL rant on in far in height nonsense and mules and feet and pigeons and horses, jesus sad to have to wade through all this trash which was discarded 150 years ago. CENTIGRADE is a measure of temperature - try to teach that to yanks! They just don't want to make ANY progress.
@stevencole7331
@stevencole7331 Год назад
What you want to develope is a smart central air system . Most houses have maybe 10 rooms on average and most times those rooms are not occupied which you don't need to heat or cool those rooms most of the time . Same for when you sleep . You only need the bedroom for that climate control bedroom . Also you may want varying temperatures in different rooms . Most central air systems have very different tempature from one room to another depending on the rooms closest and farthest from the air handler . You would needed a smart variable speed motors and smart ducts that limit airflow or raise it depending on occupancy and comfort . Each room would need a monitoring device for tempature and many things do this already . The heat pump itself is not much different than a traditional system . If you have high electrical prices it's not going to lower your bill . The way the air is moved is where you can make the savings . Now their are some companies that have developed these systems but adapting them to existing systems that depend on a specific amount of airflow could damage the blower motor . So that motor has to reduce it's rpms to match any reduced airflow which would need a variable speed motor . The technology is there and the saving s in energy costs can offset upfront cost . The big factor is comfort and that will greatly improve . Let's get going elon . It's there for the taking
@davidfellowes1628
@davidfellowes1628 Год назад
How would your thinking change if you had your own solar PV capability, both partial solar as is the case with many homes, or a zero carbon system (100% PV) if you have space for a ground system, which I do?
@stevencole7331
@stevencole7331 Год назад
@@davidfellowes1628 Solar has it's limitations . I hooked up electrical for a generator for a off grid residence who had solar battery system because it wasn't enough electrical for their needs . A year later he wished he got a bigger generator. Solar is great but by itself it doesn't provide enough power for high draw items like air conditioning ,Electric heat appliances .
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
@@stevencole7331 Do your homework before you buy.
@Ricky32908
@Ricky32908 Год назад
Not trying to not pick, but you should know the last ozone depleting refrigerant was R-22, R-410A and R-32 are now non ozone depleting, but do have a “global warming potential” as like CO2
@mattbrown1865
@mattbrown1865 Год назад
Refrigerant is not super cold.. It might boil at - 40 atmospheric pressure but not inside of a sealed unit.. It enters the evaporator a hot liquid. You can manipulate the boiling point of a liquid by manipulating the pressure above the liquid, And it's refrigerant, Not freon! Freon as a brand name Dupont labeled for R22 specifically.
@Zeus2276
@Zeus2276 Год назад
The order of operation in this video is kind of correct but is not. The expansion valve during cooling is at the indoor evaporator coil, not the outside unit (condenser). The outside unit as the name implies, condenses the low pressure gas from the evaporator to a high pressure, hot gas. That hot gas then moves through the condenser coil and is cooled by the condenser fan moving air through the coils and converts the gas into a liquid. The combination of high pressure with the removal of the heat is what causes the hot gas from the compressor to change state to a liquid. This liquid then moves its way to the indoor evaporator coil. At the inlet of the coil is the orifice or expansion valve. This regulates the flow of the liquid, slowing it down and causes a reduced pressure on the outlet of the valve. This causes the liquid to the rapidly expand to a gas and as a result become very cold. As the cold gas moves through the evaporator it pick up the heat from the airflow moving across the coil and this heat is carried by the gas to the condenser to start the process over. Very simplistic but accurate description of the cooling process. As stated, the heating cycle reverses the flow we as the outdoor unit expels cold air and the evaporator expels warm air. This type of heating is much more efficient than using electric resistance heating elements, essentially a large hair drier.
@robertbolding4182
@robertbolding4182 Год назад
It would have been nice if you showed how Tesla's heat pump works more efficiently than a normal heat pump. Just saying that it does it wasn't enough
@mikekelly5869
@mikekelly5869 Год назад
It's a secret!
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Here is a man with standards. Shut up and go stand with the others in the long queues. 😅
@McGregorSack
@McGregorSack Год назад
“Freon” Johnny homeowner😂
@svOcelot
@svOcelot Год назад
Usually you're quite good about explaining technology, but even though I know & can explain the Carnot heat-pump cycle, I had problems following your explanation. You've done much better on other topics. For instance, you shouldn't have bothered talking about vibrating molecules. Yes, it's technically correct, but it's also distracting, especially for those who don't understand. It gets HOT. Leave it there. You also didn't touch on the fact that the phase change, from gas to liquid & back again, is what really transfers the heat. I would have thought that would be interesting to your viewers, & it's less technical than vibrating molecules. My 2 cents...
@joep8520
@joep8520 Год назад
I live in Ohio and run a "Dual Fuel" system. I use the heat pump down to 25F and then switch to the gas furnace at or below 25F. My heat pump is arguably not the most efficient, it was installed 10 years ago, but it is better than running natural gas 100% of the time heating is required. I would say I the gas furnace runs 30-40% of the time heat is required. Newer heat pumps, particularly VRF (variable refrigerant flow) and inverter heat pumps are incredibly efficient down to very low temps. I installed one a few years ago that was rated to heat at the rated capacity down to -13F. Not too bad. I still think there will be times when resistance heat or gas will be required as a back up, especially in colder climates. Curious to see what improvements Elon has really made to improve the heat pump beyond what an inverter or VRF can do.
@philsteele6187
@philsteele6187 Год назад
Pause at 10:37. I invested in a Mitsubishi Zuba Central, in Quebec, where we spend weeks at -35C to -40C. Freeze your nose hair cold. And it cranks 22,000 BTU’s constantly because it uses an industrial compressor. And heats a basement and 2 stories. Because triple glass pane windows, insulated everything to the footing. It costs much more than a traditional (clanky) square thermal pump, but at max power sounds like a soft rain shower in db. My point; we don’t need Muskrat to « fix » our Thermo pump efficiency- just plan your thermal envelope and invest in a good system for years of trouble free use.
@paz-cienciayciasas3222
@paz-cienciayciasas3222 Год назад
I live in Bogotá a little more than 4 degrees North and temperature is ideal most of the time except when it gets cool around -5 during the night but air quality is really impoetante to me and my family so a TESLA HVAC si on my shopping list from Tesla.
@StefanSteinerWA
@StefanSteinerWA Год назад
In SoCal I had a heat pump installed 30 years ago.
@Jay-pu6cu
@Jay-pu6cu Год назад
Heat pumps only benefit areas where electricity is cheaper than burning natural gas on site. My city is the opposite, though heat pumps would do wonders due to our winters being mild lowest it gets is about 25°F, it's cheaper here to burn gas on site.
@davidmorrill2943
@davidmorrill2943 Год назад
I live in the deep south of the Usa. The temp gets below 25* F for 2 -3 days every 3 years. The heat pumps we have are considered to be a failure as they will not keep a house at 70* F when the temp is 40* F or lower. They freeze up and stop working at about 32*F. Many people consider them to be a waste of money.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
Years beyond USA in Europe yet yanks STILL rant on in far in height nonsense and mules and feet and pigeons and horses, jesus sad to have to wade through all this trash which was discarded 150 years ago. CENTIGRADE is a measure of temperature - try to teach that to yanks! They just don't want to make ANY progress.
@NikolaEngineering
@NikolaEngineering Год назад
I have a ground source heat pump with radiant floor heating. It also supplies preheated water to my water heater. Also have a heat pump water heater which is a huge energy saver. I have 8kw of solar which produces enough energy to drive my EV 40,000 miles per year.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 Год назад
The FIRST sensible comment here from someone who clearly is using his brain! What do you mean by "miles"? IS that not something that was used on the Apollo pretend flight to "moon"?
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