This console is not for conventional recording. It's for mixing engineers, who moved "In The Box" but wanted to mix with faders in their home studio, draw automation by hand, use motorized faders for recalling, and has small amount of outboard gear for mixing and line inputs on console for summing. And if they want to record something, they simply use outboard preamps. The point is that you don't understand the purpose of this hardware and compare consoles that do different things. From Neve web-site: "The 8424 console is designed to fit the needs of the modern hybrid studio where the speed of in-the-box workflow is enhanced with the ultimate sound quality of analogue outboard gear" So the only joke is your meaningless rant.
exactly plus large format consoles are phasing out any way as consoles are getting smaller that are cut down versions. You often see many of these cut down consoles installed in an Argosy Console desk for Hybrid mixing and some times an Argosy desk without a mixer with Outboard.
Glad someone said it. I love this channel normally but he's completely missing the point. I get that you can get a console with more preamps, no one is disputing that. But this is kind of a niche product for guys who don't want or need all those onboard preamps. Also, everyone knows just the name Neve comes at a premium. Kind of a silly rant, imho.
then why not buy something like ssl neuclus? why to buy this? That 4000$ ssl neucleus has everything you just mentioned. Why to spend 24 grand for the same, oh sorry less lol as it does not even have daw controll LOL!!!!!!!!!
Wow..... You really have no idea what you're talking about dude. You should probably read up on the actual specs of the console before you spread all this diss information.
So, it IS a DAW controller. It's fully analog and has 24 inputs, not two. It isn't really a summing box because you tie it into your interface. It's actually quite flexible. I feel like you didn't really do much research on what this console really is. It's designed for smaller setups that already have a bunch of outboard gear, but want something to speed up their workflow and make recording and recall easier. It's a small desk with a lot of large format console features, including the monitoring section, which most of your comparisons don't have, at least not as in-depth. Yes, it does have two preamps on it, both with transformers built in, but you have failed to do an ACTUAL comparison against all your other "great" mentions. Personally, I've spent the last couple years console shopping and to be quite honest, for my budget and the features I need, this is actually the ideal console for me. It has literally EVERYTHING on my checklist and none of the cheaper consoles do. Just because it isn't right for you doesn't mean it isn't right for other people. I get where you're coming from, but I think you're painting the 8424 in a pretty dim light while not talking about virtually any of the features this console actually has. I'll be purchasing mine next year. On the flip side, most people probably don't need all the features the 8424 has. I think it's important that people purchase what best fits their needs. Your video doesn't really have any constructive or useful information for anyone interested in actually comparing these consoles.
It’s not just a summing mixer with faders it’s an entire console minus the pres and eq’s, full masters section and tons of routing. Aux sends and returns. It’s made for mixing not recording. The consoles you showed for comparison were 8 & 16 channels that you would have to put even more money into with 500 series modules. Those trident boards are made like shit. I like your channel and been watching your videos for a while. I totally get that this board is not your thing but for someone else it might be the perfect piece for their set up. Imagine owning a 24 track tape machine that you need to monitor, you need faders and a master section. This is a cool board for monitoring and mixing. I hope it sounds like a Neve although I doubt it does because a real 80 series Neve is class A discrete and has transformers on every input and output not just the ACN outputs like this one. Either way I understand your point of view I just disagree with you on this particular board and I want to like it. I know how important monitoring off of a great Mixbuss is, and it can make all the difference in the world. And I think that’s what they’re trying to provide here. The back bone that all your gear routes through, the main piece you monitor & mix on. Lots of people already have a lot of preamps and a DAW. They can buy this and now have a Mixer with an inspiring sound. A lot of what’s missing in today’s mixes is the sound of a console with a great MixBuss. I hope that this is that piece but I don’t know cause I never heard it. Thanks for the video and I look forward to your future videos... Steve
Good points, even though I certainly think it is very good for recording as well. Two mic pres would handle a major part of all tracking needs in a modern production. But if you need more, just connect as many preamp as you need and start recording.
Ha! Easy to see that you are not a working, professional engineer. All the consoles you’ve mentioned have specific downfalls compared to what the 8424 offers and what it’s meant for. I didn’t hear you mention the circuitry on pre/EQ/channel/buss/aux/summing once. No real information… just preamp and EQ comparison. Not to knock the consoles you compared to, they’re just not comprable. The closest competitor with preamps and EQ is the SSL Origin at 60k with no automation. If you want Neve preamps and EQ, the closest you can get is a Neve BCM 24 at over $100k. So if your going to produce content regarding professional equipment please do some research on what specs professionals are paying attention to, or maybe just make music. FYI I, do not own an 8424 and I’m not in the market for a new console. But I definitely appreciate that Neve recognized the need for this. “nobody asks a carpenter what tools they used, and nobody ever asks an audio engineer what gear they used. The music is all that matters” -me
i agree you can get a full console from Trident or Audient for less money than the 8424. The thing is, I don't want a console with all those mic pre's. I don't track drums as I work with Superior Drummer 3 in a high end project studio. Having 24 channels/faders to send signal through, 2 mic pre's and EQ's, a nice DAW control, and control center is what I am looking for. In addition, just adding 8 channels of AMS Neve 1073OPX8 is all I need. I love the way it looks and sounds when you sum through it. I could also get a API The Box but it is basically 8 channel strips and a summing box. This unit has been updated with scribble strips, DAW control, and your favorite presets can be added, along with 24 faders, so the 8424 meets my needs the most, plus it looks great and is made with quality.
You just don't get it, it is beyond your little brain, all the so called alternatives you mention do not come close to the number of mixdown inputs, and it has a DAW controller and recall functionality, it is the most flexible mixer on the market with the most functionality on a small footprint and like said in another comment with 2 8 channel opx pre amps you have 18 mic inputs, and it is still $10k cheaper than the Neve 5088 which is its main competition.
It's far more that 10k cheaper than the 5088 you must be comparing it to the price of an unloaded 5088! The 8424 either way is freaking awesome I've got mine on the way with automation and the 1073 opx included for about half the price of a loaded 5088! I couldn't be more thrilled.
A lot of us were really disappointed with this release at the time. But AMS.Neve made up for it, to an extent, with their 88M interface. Obviously not the same kind of product by a long shot but, if you.are only going to have two mic channels then you should at least price it somewhat decently. That's what Neve did with the 88M. The rest of a console's features are secondary to its Mic preamps and they just did not understand this at the time.
@@RealHomeRecording have you seen the HUM audio N-trophy? Massive options but lack of channels for the space it takes up. 8424 would get me going in the right direction with the small footprint, but I feel the “answer” the the 8424 with a future release of some kind from some brand will get more value.
@@RealHomeRecording because I’ll end up returning each channel into the DAW as opposed to analog summing, I’m collecting digital recall gear. Mostly Wes audio. Hopefully there will be a way of controlling it all with a SSL type of controller in the future
It's not a studio console as you would usually thing of it, but if you're working in the box and want the Neve sound this is a decent console. I can get a Toft audio 32 channel for way less, but if I have preamps I use, and it has plenty of transformers by the way. If you ever get the chance to lay your hands on this, you will find it's way more than a summing box. watch the link below, all of it. It may be a kissy kissy review but it has tons of info on what this more than a summing mixer can do. Then do our review.And yes, you can get a Neve Genesys but that's a hell of a lot more than this, with the 1073 with transformers you're talking over 4 times the cost. Not every home studio has that much to blow on a console and that's who this is for. If you prefer SSL. try the Origin, 66k with 32 pre's but I prefer the Neve sound myself. Good gear is rarely cheap, there is always that point of diminishing returns for a little more, Neve delivers that in spades and this is cheap, their center piece is over 10K for much much less, so I would recommend you get something that cost less, but I want the sound I know and love, Not for a commercial studio but for my home setup this is great. There is a multi part series on this console too you may want to watch.
There's a real comment. Sounds like you actually did a little research an tried to understand what this thing is about, rather than crying about the toy you can't afford, and blaming the toy. Yes, anyone seriously looking at this Console, that has actually run a Recording or Mix Session, and has some idea of what Neve Consoles sound like and are capable of, has to be impressed by How much Console they squeezed into $25,000. But if you don't know, you don't know. Now, you advised that they Watch other videos that might explain all the stuff they don't understand, but that would make sense. I know all the pros get it, and I suspect that once these things start shipping, unless they're something wrong with them, they're gonna pop up everywhere. AMS has been working on this for years, and in terms of routing flexibility and features, they really have mapped it out for a ton of use cases. I'm glad you get it, and I suspect in time so will others, whether they can afford $25K or not. A couple of things though: The Centerpiece is RND (Rupert Neve Designs) not AMS Neve. They are totally separate companies, long story. The SSL Origin (also an amazing desk, all analog, 32 (New Design) Preamps, 32 Black Knob EQs, G-Buss Comp, nearly identical setup to my Ghost) doesn't have Recall, or Automation. And it's $49K (not $66K) double the 8424, and IT was amazing that they squeezed a whole SSL into under Fifty Grand.
To be honest, if I wanted a Neve sound, I would have wanted the actual Neve sound, and not the AMS Neve sound. AMS Neve is on par with all the other Neve clones out there, but priced a hell of a lot more because of the name alone. I used to work every day on two Neve large format consoles that we had, the 72 ch VX and a 36 ch VR. None of them sounded like actual Neve's. Because they weren't Neve's other than in name. I preferred our 48 ch SSL 4040g instead, and we sold the Neve's (kept a sidecar of both consoles for nostalgia). The point is: This is not going to give you a Neve sound. If none of their flagship large format consoles could, then this little toy (in comparison) will not either. You are better off going in a different direction than this money sink in my opinion. No matter what you think of this summing box and what it can do, IT IS A RIP OFF, and that is a fact. It might be absolutely fantastic, but you'll get MUCH more from anywhere else for the same money, which means it is still a rip off that they can legitimise because of the name of their company which happens to bear the same name as someone who designed great consoles and has nothing to do with their current products. I love Neve, but this isn't it. It is a dark spot on AMS's record, no doubt. If it all turns out to be an elaborate hoax by AMS to show how much they can rip people off because of their name, then I would be surprised by their honesty, but not by the hoax itself.
@@michaelcaplin8969 There is no such thing as ”a Neve sound”., because there are many flavours. Consoles are made with different goals and different purposes. What should matter is if it does the job you want to do. Anyway, all Neve products have a Neve sound, because it is a Neve product. But it might be different to other Neve products. Logical ;)
You have completely missed the point. This is designed for automated mixing outside the box. None of those other consoles will do that. If you are happy living in the digital world, why would you even care about a console?
Forgot the XL Desk for 16k that has 8 pres, a SSL mic bus comp, and 16 500 series slots for EQ. The only thing the Neve has is automated faders, but you can buy 2 SSL UF8s for under 3$k and those have transport controls for Pro Tools, etc.
If SSL came out with a newer XL Desk with two UF8s in it and charge 2,200 more than the original that would slay. Add metering for the channels and BOOM.
We live in the golden age of recording where there are so many options to meet everyone's needs. The 8424 meets a lot of peoples needs and I'm super excited that we have the ability to build studios tailored to **anyone's** workflow!! Neve has never been a budget brand so to have access to their 48 channel sum/routing behemoth at 25k, isn't too crazy - and with bags of insert points and a darn good monitor section, this board will find many a great home for peoples who have the outboard to hang off it. It's a lovely creative console and that's the important bit - but as you point out, if the budget doesn't allow for this board, there are always options. Ps, thanks for using the VK website for examples here :)
WRONG! THERE ARE 6 MARINAIR TRANSFORMERS ON THE CONSOLE. IT NOT ONLY HAS DAW CONTROL ABILITY, BUT IT HAS CUE MIX RECALL AS WELL. SO EVERY EQ, COMPRESSOR, ETC, CAN BE DIGITALLY RECALLED ON THE ACTUAL BOARD. NIT TO BE RUDE, BUT YOU SIMPLY DIDN'T DO YOUR RESEARCH ON THIS CONSOLE, THE SAME TRANSFORMERS ON THE BEST CONSOLE IN MUSIC, THE "NEVE 88RS" ARE USED ON THIS CONSOLE. YOU REALLY SHOULD GO LOOK AT THE NEW WEBINAR VIDEO THEY MADE TO EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE BOARD.
Yes, these negative replies are from simpletons that refrained from doing their homework. It gives me chills to think of this thing residing in my project studio. With the Two onboard 1073s mic pre’s, plus the 8 that are on my 1073OPX, two more with my Avalon 737s, 4 more with U/A 4-710d and lastly one more with Millenia STT-1 gives me 17 industry leading pre’s and channel strips to record any band striate to the daw. Putting fifteen additional 1073s on board would increase the price 12-15k . I like the different flavors that my outboard units afford me and the idea of needing more mic pre’s, on this desk would render, either my outboard or onboard equipment redundant. (Nathan Bankhead understands) I’m sure I will own one before the end of 2021.
I can see how this can be just fine as both a front end and a back end for lots of people. We have a lot of analogue synthesizers in our studio (some of them polychained) and just need a mixer that can combine outputs and do some routing on the front end (say take two polychained synths which typically produce 4 outputs into one stereo path). When you have in excess of a dozen hardware synths it makes sense to connect them all up to a mixer like this (after you normalize to line level of course if need be) and send them all to one mono (for mono synths) and one stereo output. Saves a ton of I/O which is expensive. We actually use a Harrison 950mx in exactly this way. 16 mono channels and 8 stereo channels all sum to just one mono and one stereo bus output. You need only 3 inputs to the recorder (DAW) this way. It's a dual input console so nothing stopping you for also feeding the DAW returns through the console for summing but we use it mostly as front end. The bus outputs have transformers whereas direct outs don't so makes even more sense if you want a bit of analogue transformer magic on the input into the computer. The other niceties are the monitoring section. That's always a nice option to have. To not need a computer at all to monitor, have analogue signal path so you can actually hear your analogue synths before conversion etc etc. I think this is often overlooked. One of the most useful things on our Harrison is the centre section that does all the monitoring. It's perhaps unfair to compare because the Harrison has full channel strips with EQ and sweepable HP/LP filters (full frequency range) but the Harrison was designed with a similar use case in mind as this Neve. I think Neve should have included some fully featured channels, maybe 4 or so would do it or at least HP/LP filters across each of the channels since this is another most used and always overlooked but great feature to have. But the Harrison was still pushing like 50 grand whereas this is kind of mid to low 20s. If I was buying I'd ask them if they could include HP/LP filters on each channel if including the EQ would mean exorbitant price increases. And that's probably the only thing I'd change thinking about it now. Keep the price in the low 20s but add HP/LP filters (Sweepable across the full range of frequencies) and call it a day. If you need an analogue tracking console in a traditional sense then this is probably a bad solution for that. You'll have to pony up for the Genesys or API or something similar. But if you're like us and you do electronic music this actually is a pretty good solution. As I say the only thing I'd add is the fully sweepable HP/LP filters on each channel that you can automate.
You are completely missing the point. This will sound much better than those other options. SSL and Neve both are at a higher league than trident and Audient and even the poor API designs. I will agree that no DAW control or automation is dumb as it’s main competitor (SSL Matrix) does most of these things better while having DAW control.
Agree, and I would love a Genesys but at over 4 times the cost it's a bit much for my apartment! If I want cheap, I'd go Toft ATB 80, great but no automation. And only about 14K CAD for 32 channels but it's still not a Neve! Pretty close to a Trident though.
For someone whose account name is “Audio Geek,” you make a pretty lazy argument. To begin with, “sound better” isn’t a real measure. The question is does this product provide the sound you want. The Neve product doesn’t really give you the ability to manipulate the sound. You basically get an audio interface and 2 preamps for $24k. This new Neve product is basically trading on the Neve name instead of providing actual value. As the video said, if one wants a small format console, there are many other options that actually provide one with the features one needs to actually impact the sound. If you want the Neve sound, you can get a bunch of outboard gear for a fraction of this price. For $23k you can get 12 RND 517 Pre/Comp modules, 12 RND 551 EQs, and 3 RND 10 unit chassises. That is 12 Neve channel strips for the price of one glorified audio interface. That is why the new Neve “console” is not good
@@jloiben12 for starters this isn't an audio interface. You are missing the point of the product. This is a studio integrator for high end production studios. That is why it exists. People that buy something like this already have 16 channels of high quality preamps in their frontend rack. Neve knows this and have provided essentially the same circuitry you would find in a Genesys or 88RS for summing in a much smaller footprint and price point. The whole idea is to have every piece of outboard easily accessible and available at the highest possible quality. Objectively a much higher percentage of hit songs have been mixed on either a Neve or SSL console. This isn't a product for anyone. It is sort of like buying a Lamborghini or a Ferrari. Lets say mixing in the box is a Tesla, just as fast but a completely different experience. All those other brands are like supped up Supras or Civics, just as fast but with much less finesse. Furthermore your argument isn't an apples to apples comparison. What you get with the Neve is a 52 channel summing mixer using the same transformers used on their large format consoles, comprehensive monitoring control (with dual Cues and big console monitoring capabilities), a 24 channel electronic patchbay, and a whole lot of ease of use. That said, compared to its main competitor, the SSL Matrix it is an inferior product. No DAW control is a big no no for a product like that. The recall feature is also very poorly designed. The Matrix does both these things better. Furthermore the Matrix also allows for up to 40 channel summing in dual input mode. Sure that is 12 fewer channels but there are more FX sends and a much better feature set which includes analog automation. TLDR: this is a product for high end facilities not power users. If you want to be among the very best in the world you buy this, an SSL Matrix or maybe an API The Box for your production room, not a second tier Audient, Trident or anything else.
Lucas Pereira You don’t seem to understand what I am saying. I am not saying it is literally an audio interface. I am saying that the features of this product is basically that of an audio interface. What you just said about getting the Genesys/88RS circuitry proves my point. You do understand how you can get all of the following points you brought up for a fraction of the price of this new console: comprehensive monitoring control, a patchbay, easy to use, right? Just because something has a fancy name on it doesn’t make it value added. What you are paying for is the Neve circuitry and transformers. However, as you said, this is for high end production studios. That means what matters is how it sounds in a mix. I will gladly provide this test for you as I am 100% confident you would not be able to distinguish between what goes through this product, an ssl desk, the RND 500 series products I mentioned, and Neve plugins across a variety of individual tracks, buses, and entire mixes. You can lie that you can tell the difference in a mix but once you post it on RU-vid that lie will be out there forever. What you are paying for is something that people can not distinguish. You can get console capability for a fraction of the price. There are so many products out there that can provide you with faders, monitoring control, and routing that - taken together - cost a fraction of this console. Which means you are paying for the name instead of the actual features. The problem with this product is the price. If this was half the price then yeah, it would be a good product. But for this price you can do so much better. In addition to that, saying “if you want to be the best in the world” therefore you should buy “x” indicates that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Based on that standard, Andrew Scheps must be pretty bad at mixing. Leslie Bratheaite must not be able to make good sounding mixes since Happy only had 14 million sales plus equivalent streams in 2014. Mark Needham must be overrated by your standards. Saying you should buy any one individual piece of equipment or brand in order to be able to make good music is just a factually incorrect position. You also agreed with me that this new Neve is an inferior product which I just want to point out
Wow so much hate here. I just had an hour demo on the 8424. I personally say it's a great tool for folks who need 100% recall and a way to mix/track thru loads of outboard gear. I currently own an API 1608 and I love it. But I will tell you, there is nothing on the market that does what the 8424 does, for less than 80k.
This RU-vid channel owner seems very resistant to any real hands on experience. A lot of people are also claiming that it is overpriced, but without being able to suggest a cheaper product with the same feature set.
@@JJRockford the guy clearly is inexperienced and amateur, with his own interpretation on how "things" are done and what's important (Virtually). Maybe tomorrow he will compare a Ferrari with Colin McRae game, and find that the simulation handles better, is cheaper, and safer, so why spend all that money for another "car". So funny nonetheless
@@manostsantirakis897 I am most probably to be considered as an amateur as well, but that shouldnt stop anyone from reading and try to understand things outside their own world :) Thats how you grow. But I suppose videos like this are mostly to be considered as click baits. Which kind of works, I was a little bit hooked... :)
@@JJRockford i just did thrice in comments above. THE SSL NEUCLUS 2. its around4 grand and i can buy and external summer and also an entire 500 series rack for under 10 grand and still have motorized faders with DAW CONTROLL
@@RealHomeRecording Unskilled and unaware of it. There are so many things you say in this video this video that, even if they obviously make sense to you, just sound a little bit ”childish” to anyone who understand what is what here.
@@JJRockford well if it makes you feel any better I think that the Neve 1073opx and 88M are good products. I will stick to what I originally said and that is this mixer is way overpriced for its capabilities. I do not stand alone in this opinion.
@@RealHomeRecording Overpriced compare to what? If you should call something overpriced you need to compare it with something which give you the same features. None or the products you mentioned in the videos do that.
Totally agree, this must be the best bridge between hardware and software to this date, keeping all the advantages of both. Lets hope someone makes a similar product aimed for home/project studios. Audient/Focusrite once made the 2802, but it have some drawbacks, especially the form factor. But lack of recall and the layout of some daw controls also holds it back.
You don't even get the point of the Neve. IT HAS A RECALL FUNCTION! It is not meant for people who want to mix in the daw. I is for people you just want top mix everything with the outboard gear they have, and than use the recall to get fast Recallability. Look, I also think its a bit to expansive. And it is a little bit too big in terms of size for my studio. And I don't need two mic press on that thing, that just driving the price for no reason. But damn this thing lets you mix completely out of the box, with inserts, sends and everything, and lets you recall everything on the console in like 5 minutes. If there would be a 16 channel version and if I had a bit more money to spare I would buy that thing instantly...
Did the 8424's design change since this video was posted? If it did then I will need to update it. See the reaction from the initial product launch at gearspace.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1315895-introducing-neve-8424-console.html . As one poster put it, "a glorified summing box and a semi-automated switchbox at an outrageous price!"
You have a point, Neve has that brand hype, which allows them to put the price tag high. But it also has the looks, very important wow -phenomenon, which brings customers in. It has the build quality too. Also 8424 has optional daw ctrl now
@@petrikokko1167 It could also be that people who are both more skilled and succesful than you and I can see values with the equipment which you dont understand.
@@petrikokko1167 Google the Dunning-Kruger effect, consider the what that means in this context and then feel free to come back if you think you have something meaningful to contribute with.
Fantastic console - not cheap once you've added in the flying faders and yearly warranty subscription. The workflow is really fantastic and I personally think Neve has made a great job of the summing bus. It's the perfect console for a busy well healed hybrid studio .... if you can actually afford one as opposed to just talking about one 🙂 .... (Unfortunately I can't afford one)
@@quantika72 It actually have 8 pres, and the four group channels are stereo. But its a smaller desk, the Neve have 24 ”normal” channel modules instead of 16, is recallable, one more aux, adds PFL solo mode (more than SIP and AFL which both desk have) and also triple inputs on the channels, as well as the daw control/motorized fader option.
Yes, everything is a joke IF you can't afford it. Ferarri, Porsche, and any luxury cars and goods are jokes only IF you can't afford it. You can't say a $30k Console is a rip-off when all you can afford is $500. It is very funny. Also, funnier when people say Ferrari is a rip-off when they can only afford a 20 year old Nissan. LOL
NO...Wrong because this is an issue of functionality....that is a Joke...even if it was only $2000 it would be useless...I have a SoundCraft LX7II and it is alot more useful than that ...for $1800 your Simply getting more for your money than spending 24,000 on the Neve Name...all of their products are way over priced......Period...music isnt about who can afford something its about what you "Can do with it" these are tools....a Tool is only as good as its "Usefullness"
@@johnisrael5183If you think you that Soundcraft console have the same capabilities as the 8424, you really need to study more. Let just start with the monitoring and recall options.
if you make expensive buying decisions (or not) on the basis of clickbait videos then you don't deserve to have any money to spend. this is a brilliant desk for a specific type of facility / producer who owns a lot of outboard and doesn't need loads of additional pre-amps they're not going to use. I've spent time with it and the automation / DAW control is terrific and the summing buss, mic pre and DI are first rate.
I hate to bash especially a company like Neve but this thing is a toy. I guess it can be considered one of the cheapest Neve consoles you can purchase. It’s the cubic zirconia of Neve Consoles. They should have given this console the ability to be upgraded so you could add things as you need or can afford them. That may make the upgrade process pricey in the end but at least this would make more sense and would probably sell a lot more than I can see. I guess it could have some “cool” potential in a “man cave “ scenario. Place it next to a 80” OLED tv and kegerator??
@@chris-rb7bm Now THAT is an actual response to all of this. From an actual engineer with skin in the game, rather than a heckler sitting in the nose bleeds. A) it wasn't cheap to buy your setup, about $10K, but that was the cheapest way to get that sound. B) this journey of Analog Studios, then ProTools on the side, then more ProTools and other DAWs, then In The Box, then buying select Analog Pieces maybe racking console channel strips, then Console makers selling pieces of the desk in 19" or 500-series form, and now to Hybrid that includes a miniature Desk (SFC) and high channel count interfaces. (24-channel front end, for tracking sessions without limits and proper inline for monitoring. 48-channels, well 52, at mixdown with voltage summing and Marinair trannies) C) this thing is supposed to not only sound like, but be, an 80-series Neve. For $25,000. (And the integration with their OPXs is sweet) If true, and my demo keeps getting pushed because AMS is having trouble getting it to LA with Covid, this should be a game changer for anyone who knows what Neve is. D) I'll add though: For me, they've also set it up where I can basically bypass the Neve Sound when not appropriate, and get an incredibly Clean Analog central nervous system, and add whatever Color you desire ITB or in your rack. I use pretty much All of the console emulation systems, but mostly my Softube Console 1 system, with hands-on SSL 4K, 9K, API, Neve, Summit, etc. I suspect that this Neve, with FULL ANALOG RECALL!!!, will integrate quite nicely with Console 1, and get you dangerously close to that dream system in your mind. Or maybe the mouse clickers are right, and it's just a pos that costs too much.
@@G_handle I'll say it again...a fool and his gold are soon parted. What will this console do that the one you already have or less expensive models can't do? It is not a shrunk down 80 series Neve. Go look at the circuitry. The line inputs on the 8424 don't have transformers (Neve would list them in the marketing if they did) which is a big part if that analog Neve sound. I am guessing they and maybe even the mic preamps as well use the same cheaper 1073OPX design. Read more in the Old Meets New part here: www.soundonsound.com/reviews/neve-1073opx
RealHomeRecording.com Yeah all these mini summing consoles(SSL and Neve) are huge fails for the lack of input/output transformers. Yeah I know you get two on the Neve. Big deal! I think the the SSL is better than this in the fact that you get the ability to add a decent amount of pre/line inputs and/eqs and the fact you get “the glue” buss compressor on your two track output. No automation possibility which makes it suck too but over all better than this thing. Too bad for Neve though because I personally would like a board like this but not with all it’s short comings. Oh well...and again, just my personal opinion.
it’s because it’s a neve.. you get neve sound.. and you get to put on your studio site that your mixing down on a neve the most popular brand for consoles
Lets not forget that people hated on the original API The Box for lacking features for the price. Neve comes in and bettered that times 3 real quick LOL.
Hahaha, yep. I remember the discussions pretty vividly on Gearslutz. It was originally priced at $19k and they dropped it pretty fast to $15 or 16k. When I toured API's building and saw The Box in person, it was neat to look at but only something I would buy if I had $16,000 to burn. Here is the time capsule: www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/989251-api-box-any-thoughts.html . Only having four inputs/preamps and forcing the 550A down your throat was its biggest drawback. Plus I think the headphone output or direct box was on the back? Either way... The Box 2.0? I would put that on a credit card. It has a good amount of functionality that I could actually earn some money with. Sound on Sound agrees: www.soundonsound.com/reviews/api-box-2 Gearslutz users mostly liked the upgrades for Box 2.0 as well: www.gearslutz.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1247385-api-releases-box-console-updated-feature-set.html And I can almost guarantee you, 3 to 6 years from now if Neve puts out a version 2 of the 8424, Sound on Sound's reviewer will agree that the original design was just too limited. They won't dare say that now though, hehehe.
RealHomeRecording.com Well, things can always be developed. But since there are not other comparable products out right now, why compare it with a product which might exist in 3 years from now?
who still wants a board with the same preamps anyway? i’d prefer to have uad apollo x system for recording and this bad boy for mixdown than all the other consoles you mentioned. it would be far easier and more versatile in case if there’s revision from the client.
8424 Console Made in their British factory. 24 channel console each fader is numbered, 16 channels on left, 8 to the right. 4 group faders in the front. All channels are balanced +4db u. Use 80 series voltage mixing which is found on the 88R consoles. It is easy to use, no steep learning curve. All 24 channels have 2 line inputs. Input B is the default recording and you can control your levels with the red knob up front on each channel. Center section has two 1073 mic pres with input and output transformers. You are able to drive the mic pres with the rotary trim pot. Phase button, impedance switch for low impedance situations which include ribbon mics. They can be set to channels 17 and 18, and the two DI’s which have connections in the front to 19 and 20 with no patching. Two 500 slots so you can put in AMS Neve EQ’s. If you want to use your own mic’s, just connect them to input B in the back of the console. There is a digitally controlled trim which shows up on the display on the bottom of the menu. There is a 8 stage led meter which displays it in PPM scale and it gives you 24 db of headroom. Three Aux sends or stereo cue send and you can add any outboard gear their the channel insert. Every channel has a direct output that can be boosted up to 10 db. Can be pre or post fader. FNS option allows you to remotely controller the OPX 8 channel unit. Listen back to the entire mix through room monitoring input, individual channels by pushing the input to input A, or ILN mode (In line mixing). You can route your DAW signal into the Stereo cue which becomes the small fader and pan fader for the recording. You can monitor latency free. Cue can provide headphone mix. You can provide mix with 2 separate mixes with Aux 2 and 3 with the separate headphone outputs. There is talkback mic on the console without any patches or cabling. It also has a return talkback. Can be used as an additional input as it has its own input control into the unit. For mixing: Dual input channel strip. Input A is DAW connection. Switch globally to Mix A or go on a channel by channel basis for input A and have other channels that you are recording for Mix B for input recording. Each trim level and output level can be saved for each channel on the console. When you do a recall, it will jump to the setting you had for the song. There are 3 mono sends and one stereo cue send. There is also two stereo reverb returns. There are also inserts for the group channels. Each channel can be sent to any of the group channels or main output mix. There is a group to pan function. That allows the group to follow the pan control in creating stereo stems. When deactivated, pan pot will not affect the group routing which creates mono stems. You can mix up to 48 channels. Each channel has level and pan control with the stereo cues. You can metering 25-48 as well. Input C is used for this. Group 3 and 4 can be used as another stereo bus feature for those channels. Input A can be sent to the fader and Cue at the same time. This allows parallel mixing. Master control section: two large VU meters for main mix, aux or mix bus signals. Reverb returns into the consoles. Each has level and balance controls. It has its own cue controls as well. They can be routed to the group as well and print reverb in the DAW. Pre or post aux, global console inputs. Solo in place, AFL and PFL. AFL bus has marinar transformers. 2 band shelving EQ on the 4 group faders and stereo bus. 220 and 10kh. There is also a stereo width function that is the same that is on the AMS Neve Genesis consoles. It can go all the way to mono. Switchable inserts can be pre or post fader on group channels. You can use the 500 series insert on the 2 bus. You can assign the 500 series EQ to the mono groups as well. They can also be used as an insert in the 1073’s or DI inputs. Control room monitor section, 3 external signals. You can play reference tracks from your smart phone into the main outs. Large monitor level knob, dim button, dim control level, mono and 3 loudspeaker outputs. Each has their own atinuator. Routing and switching options is on the LED screen. All the faders, pots, pan and trims, Aux where you manually reset. 99 settings. It also provides the option of automation with scribble strips. This is a wonderful unit and the quality and sound is much better than lower end consoles in my opinion.
@@BrijeshSarin I have a matrix that this 8424 is replacing, and for 10,000 less dollars you lose 75% of the feature set this console offers. Idk if you can do the math but something like the matrix is an even bigger rip than something of this caliber would be by today's standards. Maybe 10 years ago the matrix would be a good buy but now that this behemoth is on the market, you'd have to be delusional!!!
Im going to help everyone out here.... anyone that wants basically the "Same thing inside your DAW for $300 -$400 1. Buy Navy 2 and Amethyst 4with Acustica Audio After Tracking each bus...with Waves...Softube or your favorit Digital Plugin..... Make a Send effect...and send Navy 2 Strip or Amythest Pre Amp to every Bus... Get a good level Pre Master Master Mix then Then on your Master bus Add Amethyst 4 Pre Amp 2500 Bus...with Navy 2 Comp then a Navy 2 Limiter.... Then Loop that Mix through "Any Affordable Analog Gear...Back into your DAW Now your Mix with sound...Exactly like its being ran through the 8424 for a Fraction of the Cost....
@@JJRockford You dont... when you do your final pre master of running your mix through whatever "gear you have" Put Navy 2 or Amethyst 4 on your stereo out on your daw.....turn your out fader down 6db....turn up the out on pre and filter out on Amethyst 4 db then run the mix through your gear....Acustic Audio...will make your gear...sound at least 80% close to the sound on the expensive neve hardware...... I believe the other 20% is not worth paying $40,000
@@JJRockford but...I also mix down with Nebula first......so my pre mastered music already sounds "analog" before I even run my mix through the gear with Navy, Brown or Amethyst
Your completely ignoring the fact that this unit is meant to work along side the Neve 1073 OPX which would completely changes the way you review the product. I do how ever tend to agree that if this had flighting fader that had DAW control this would be come a lot more reasonable as at the end of the day it is just a $25K 24 channel summing box with faders.
This console is an insult ...no EQ no dynamics no moving faders no daw control ...whats the point? Just volume level? I want to understand who this desk was built for. I would like to see this being used in action with someone who has all the external EQ and such
It does have eq on the groups and on the master buss. Moving faders/daw control can be added as an option. Here is a user interview: www.ams-neve.site/post/mike-smith-8424?fbclid=IwAR1ngHY7gnKX0VLNg8rUAq1zYpwZ95Z-0h4FBFgeKSbQNH9HK76aZvCb-JU You can also check the 8424 thread at Gearslutz.
It has DAW control. Don't listen to this guy - it's designed for a pro hybrid studio. Plugins do amazing things that analog can't - digital still can't touch great analog EQs and compressors. It only makes sense if you have outboard gear... I want one.
👍for this video ! Sir, I want to upgrade my Audio interface (focusrite 2i2 2nd gen ). Which one is better audient ID14 or focusrite clarett 2pre. Pls suggest me.
Id14 sounds much better to me but like me you’ll be dis appointed for many other reasons ( i currently use one with my Mac book ) I’d recommend you consider the MUTO
The 2 input SSL, better deal and not pricey at all. Compatible with the 2i2 in fact, maybe 40 bucks or so more. The software they give you with is costs more than the interface if purchased alone! Including the SSL software bundle, pretty sweet deal.
It reminds me more of an on air consoles and I am not referring to the desks DJs use. I like the layout but yeah. It ain't for me. I would only use a console for tracking and I really like at least minimal EQ for that.
Less inputs, less faders, no recall, no DAW control. Dont get me wrong, the XL-desk is probably a very good option if you want kind of the same tracking and monitoring features as the 8424, but it’s ”smaller” in almost every comparable aspect.
@@woodendoors9532 Yes, but it still has less inputs than then 8424; The 8424 have three inputs per channel, which means you can have both recording gear and DAW outputs connected all the time and switch between 48 channel mixdown (plus the two stereo returns) and 24 channel recording by just pressing a button. The 48 channels at mixdown are also ”proper” channels with their own level and pan.
That is a summing box it would appear. So it is not exactly comparable to the 8424. Althought is much more reasonably priced. SSL Sigma or Dangerous Music D-BOX+ would be the hardware I would personally look into for analog summing duties.
@@RealHomeRecording ”…not exactly…”, that must be the understatement of the year :) None of the products in your video is exactly comparable to the 8424.
You are completely right, I mean I guess the analog mixers board game is quite hard nowadays where everyone and their sister is in the box, but yeah this is ridiculous, trying to sell a board without any features, only two preamps... Basically just selling the "Neve" name... No thanks...
Educate your self first. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_SwZm37WWTY.html Want cheap and decent? Trident. Want thebest sound you can get? Neve, they will never rip you off.
You’ll probably buy a console like this mainly for being the centerpiece of your studio, connecting everything together, which usually improve e.g routing and monitoring and makes you work faster.
A lot of tracking nowadays never use more than maximum two preamps at once. However, if you read about this console, it was a very conscious decision based on the assumption that a lot of the potential customers already own a lot of preamps. And, if they dont to, just add 1-3 1073opx.
You found a lot of other great options that would work way better for you, and they're way cheaper. That's rad. So what's the issue here? Don't buy the neve haha
I have to say you are kinda spot on all these consoles that are all analog that you showed have Mic and line level so it does the summing. A console at that cost better at least have 8 to 16 pre inputs
@@RealHomeRecording exactly. Nowadays modern and new companies are all about quality and price and giving you a good bang for your buck. This console costs enough to buy some decent cars and it does the bare minimum. I might as well buy something else.
@@RealHomeRecording I think the API is amazing...not the box one...and I also love the neve black genesis...more than likely im going with the genesis...the stock market has been most excellent to me during the pandemic =) I already have racks of API7600's...they are lovely...so am familiar with the sound
@@gruponemesis What a silly comment. 'The Box 2' is identical in components and circuitry to the 1608, 2448 and AXS. It's just a smaller format. A pair of 7600s is a nice start, however API really shines when an entire session is tracked through and/or mixed out. They stack better than most.
@@gruponemesis Never seen anybody say the box II was trash, because it isn't at all if you have ears. The beauty of a console like that is the amalgamation of all the circuitry (op-amps and transformers etc). If you like the API sound, the box is fucking incredible for the money.
@@joeboonmusic4004 you are correct...trash is not the word I should be using....Value is the word. The box really doesnt present value to what I currently have. I have 8 racks of API 7600 strips and an 8 slot API 500 box with 6 API pres and 2 Neve pres. Still im looking at getting a genysis black console...the pandemic stocks have been good to me =)
I think it’s far more entertaining when people who makes such statements comes up eith suggestions on products they consider to be equally good. So, what are your suggestion on product equal to the 8424?
@@JJRockford What he is simply suggesting is that with the high quality of neve and their reputation. NEVE reputation speaks for itself with their vintage consoles , Neve 33609 compressor, and definitely the infamous 1073 mic pre EQ. SO why would they build something that do not benefit most people. And they are overcharging for a summing box. Neve took something to make it look like a console but it has no mic preamps on the channels. no famous neve style EQs like their famous 1073 or 1081. It cannot even connect to a computer to communicate with a DAW so you can you use the transport controls and channels for automation. A person would be better off buying the SSL SL Desk or even the SSL AWS 948. For the price. I would be better off just using the mixer in my daw. or get a summing mixer for way less. buy some out board gear if needed and even a couple of nice 500 series neve preamps and compressors for under 3 grand. Maybe even buy a patch bay and insert some outboard gear. And you would still need to get a DAW controller so what's the point.
Marks Music Place Please educate yourself a little bit first before you judge something. The 8424 is not (only) a summing mixer. The routing and monitoring features are very sophisticated. It’s a similar product to the XL-desk, but on steroids. But comparing it to the AWS 948 seems very odd to me, since it’s 3-4 times the price. And in that segment Neve already have the Genesys and Genesys Blavk consoles.
@@JJRockford This is what I do All day long and How do you figure this is on steroids. IF you like it so much then of course you have the option to buy it and Neve will be happy to sell it to you. Yes the SSL AWS and the Neve genesis are way more costly but the concept makes more sense. There is no way this is on steroids compare to the SSL XL desk. at least the XL desk has more than two lousy slots for 500 series modules and at SSL put their VHD mic pres on each channel. The SSL XL desk is way more customizable which makes it a console on steroids. And SSL name is just powerful as a industry standard console maker. And the SSL XL desk is in the same price point.
@@quanah after this video and lots of forums discussion happened, not only did they drop the price but they also included a bundle with eight preamps. Boycotts win, LOL
I have a soundcraft mixer that I put on unity gain, used as a routing device or a summing/tracking mixer, with lots of outboard gear on the inserts. This one costed me 300E and it works just fine ! I watch the meters on my computer, and yes it looks a little more messy, but I don't need to show off brands because the sound is good.
Or, API should try to make their version of the 8424. Except being ”mixing consoles”, the Box and the 8424 are two very different products. However, it would be much easier to make the 8424 replace the Box then the opposite.
@@JJRockford I get it. But honestly if there's no preamps/EQ's...I'd rather buy really good converters and a Louder Than Liftoff Silver Bullet. Saving money for something else, while also saving a ton of space. This is a "small" format console, but it still takes up a lot of room for basically being a summing mixer. Lastly, I love the sound of the current Neve Genesys generation consoles, so I'm sure this sounds great in use. I'm just again...wishing it had better features suited for MY workflow. A 16 or 24 channel console with full EQ on each channel would be fantastic. Even if it had no Mic Pres for example. Just my opinion...I'm usually a huge Neve fanboy.
@@TheCarymillerIf you look at the 8424 as ”basically a summing mixer” you really miss a lot (well, most…) of the features if this console. It could very well be that it is just because those things would never be of any benefit for you personally, but how many products do that? :) On the other hand, the flexibility and modular nature of the 8424; With the right setup it will be able to replace any other console mentioned in this video (even if it of course might come at a price…). If you only need eq and summing there are of course a lot of cheaper optioms though.
Still they've been in the very top of the business since more or less forever. I suppose they are doing something right, even though all youtubers doesn't understand what.
Maybe we could end such silly videos now, at least until you actually tried one and understood what it is. Here is the conclusion from SoundOnSounds review: ”Of course, you pay for this sort of quality and versatility, and for most of us running even well-specified home studios, the 8424 is likely to be something we can only aspire to. It’s competitively priced for a Neve but, in terms of potential customers, there’s some overlap with more inexpensive products, such as API’s The Box 2 and a handful of other 500-series-host mixers, from the likes of Looptrotter, Ocean Audio and Purple Audio. Yet, while these may be more affordable, they lack many of the 8424’s big-console features. SSL’s Matrix 2 and XL-Desk arguably offer more overlap but, still, neither comes close to doing everything the 8424 can, and nor do more traditional consoles in this price bracket, such as Audient’s ASP8024 HE or the Trident 78.”
Keep in mind though, Sound on Sound has to appease their advertisers in order to keep the lights on and food in the fridge. I do not. "It’s competitively priced for a Neve but..." That's the most accurate statement. I have confidence that this product will fail and Neve will release something much better at the same or less price.
RealHomeRecording.com Well, first of all, I dont think someone who runs a RU-vid channel which relies 100% on click based adverts should accuse others on being biased in their reviews. Secondly, you are focusing on the wrong part of the SoS conclusion; As you might see they mention more or less all of your suggested ”alternatives” and concludes that none of them offers all the functionality of the 8424. (Of course you need to read the complete review to understand why, or at least dig into the documentation of the 8424, and. ot just judge the book by the cover...)
@@JJRockford "Well, first of all, I dont think someone who runs a RU-vid channel which relies 100% on click based adverts should accuse others on being unbiased in their reviews." I'm not accusing them of being unbiased. I am accusing them of potential bias. This is based on their ad rates, which last I checked was $3,000 for a full page ad. Or was it a 2-page spread? Either way...it was a good chunk of money. Also remember if SoS were to write something like I did in this video, they would probably no longer be sent product demos from Neve. I have had that happen to me a couple times after giving bad reviews. I'm not saying the Neve is a bad board for some people. A very small select group of people who care more about name than features. And who have more money and space than they know what to do with. It's just not a good product for most people...considering the available options. That's all. If I purchased one, it would be a waste of space besides a waste of money. There is much better studio equipment to drop $25,000 on.
RealHomeRecording.com Of course products like this aims for a small group of people. But that doesnt mean that those people are fools who just buy something for the name. Rather the opposite, those are rather people who really understands the features of this console and how to use them. And then there are no alternatives.
Want to see a joke...look in the mirror. Stop trying to come in and take my console away from me....I don't come out to your job and try to take the mop away from you!
After I consider this and the alternatives, I purhased the new generation Audient 4816 SE. Amazing that the Neve has only two preamps ----- ridiculous.
A lot of tracking nowadays doesnt need more than two channels at the same time. But, its also a very consious feature (or lack of) since it’s assume that a lot of the target studios for this console already have a lot of preamps. However, if you dont have any preamps, just buy 1-3 Neve 1073OPX and connect to the 8424.
@@johnthecreative Making that the basic version of the console was a very consious desicion based on the assumption that a lot of the people who might be intrested in this console already had a number of preamps in their studio. However, if dont have any preamps from before, the Neve 1073OPX was partly developed to be a possible part of the 8424. The 1073OPX can e.g be remote controlled by the 8424, this making ot part of the recall functionality.
@@JJRockford haha nah I use an ssl sigma with a goliath. I dont have the room nor the interest in buying a large format console unless I had a major installation needed that type of mix situation. Im happy with summing and spending more on outboard.
Most of us are in the box now because these big names couldn't evolve. I bought UA 1073 plugin and please come and tell me the difference when you hear my recordings. I think I paid $150 on sale . 2 pres what a joke, GTFOH . My kids one day will see your products in museums.
A console is much more than the preamps. Routing, summing, monitoring etc. Can you name one product which have the same feature set as the 8424 at a lower price?
@@JJRockford 3, 16 channel Fader Ports, Presonus Central Station, Plugin Alliance’s Neve console (either one of them). You route using the DAW. Total cost
@@jloiben12 Well, except from the summing options, preamps, DI, eq, stereo bus processing, hardware insert options, latency free stereo cue (from all connected instruments/daw outputs) and so on.
@@JJRockford Summing options? You sum in your DAW. This is clearly a mixing console which means you’d already have the audio in your DAW but if you insist, you can add basically any audio interface to what I said as well. For the sake of this conversation, let’s add an Apollo x16 18x22. There is the preamps for recording (via plugins). Hell, buy two. And if you get latency during recording, well that just means you are not good at your job. I have never heard of anyone using a computer with any meaningful specs having any issues with latency on such a setup. This is supposed to be for professionals, right? You want to use outboard gear? Go ahead. Unless your DAW doesn’t allow for outboard gear but then why would you be using that DAW to begin with? But with this setup you can buy just about any outboard gear you want and still have money left over. If you need DI, there are many quality DI boxes for under $200 per unit. EQ? Again, if you get a PA Neve console, you get 72 unique channels of eq. You’d also get compression. You know, like a large format console. Stereo bus processing? Really? Do you know how to use a DAW? Jonas, I am sorry you believe in marketing more then functionality. There are suckers born every minute and there will definitely be sales of this product. However, people buying a product and that product being good are not the same thing. There is no standard by which this product is good when compared to what is on the market. If Behringer released this console people would be laughing at them. Neve deserves the same
@@jloiben12 Even though you seem to consider software emulations good enough, there are a lot of pros who wont agree with you. They could have just made it up, or it could be that they have better trained ears than you. Same thing with the workflow, while it's obviously perfectly doable handling any music production task with keyboard and mouse (since a lot of people do it), some people prefer the "shortcuts" which physical controls will give you. Btw, the latency from an Apollo interface wont depend on the computer, since it's have it's own DSP processing power. However, you'll still experience latency from the AD-converter and the processing. Not much, but still latency. Then you might end up in the situation that you started to mix a song, using all the DSP power on your Apollo interface(s). Now, if you e.g need to do overdubs, you'll need to start freezing or disabling plugins within the project. Again, 100% doable, but still a workflow slowdown compared do having your monitoring options in the analog realm. Using analog gear along with an Apollo interface will probably also mean that you need to add an extra step of DA->AD conversion, if you need the sound to come back into your DAW for the master buss. New latency introduced, which might the a problem if you need to record at the same time. Some might live with, others would not.
This is the least expensive AMS Neve console available. It does offer features that all the other consoles you showed don't have (like 80 series sound, 48 mono signals mix capability and switchable insert point on each channel, group and stereo mix bus). The next model mixing console from AMS Neve is $15K more (Genesis Analog) so this is a win for them. Perhaps when someone puts this console through its paces and gives a full review of its feature set and sound, then we could objectively judge it.
The Unknown Izm Don’t bother. You’re trying to explain audio engineering to mouse clickers. The idea that they can get an 80 series Neve, that used to cost as much as a house, for the price of a small car, means nothing if you have no idea what that means. By the way these discussions have been going, they’ll never understand the difference between a Mackie and a Neve, even if Rupert himself handed it to them for free. If you watch his first moronic video, in the comments I broke down a bunch of the Small Format Consoles now available, and compared features apples to apples. But then he doubled down on stupid, kinda like our current administration. Save you sanity, don’t feed the trolls.
@@G_handle LOL at mouse clicker. I started off using a medium format console back in highschool. You must not have seen my AES videos or API Audio tour. I'm very aware of what is out there. The consoles that I showed in this video are worth their price. The 8424, plain and simple, offers little bang for buck. Just like the API Box 1.0...which is why they revised first the price $18k to $15k and then later included 8 preamps for version 2. A Great River MixMaster is also a solid buy.
@@G_handle also, the original iPhone was very expensive. How much do they go for these days? How about an iPhone 5? No doubt Neve gear sounds very good...but they aren't the only game in town.
@@RealHomeRecording They're not even the only Neve in town. But the idea that your high school experience qualifies you to disqualify AMS Neve, for building the desk we've been asking for, at a price lower than we could've imagined, wow. If you really did "work on a medium format console", and you still don't understand this board, and your main gripe is that it has 6 less onboard Preamps than you deem essential, then you should give your diploma back to the principal.
@@RealHomeRecording Now you're comparing Analog Consoles to disposable consumer products? You know that 50-year old Analog Consoles have gone up in value right? Please go read, I beg you.
I have an 8424 and its a huge disappointment. The console is really poorly made. Its a cool idea but really poorly implemented. A lot of corners cut. Neve's customer service has been absolutely terrible! I plan on posting this everywhere I can. DONT BUY THIS POS!
@@JJRockford I must confess, I had the same thought. It is a very "sad commentary" that the dishonesty and resulting distrust has reached these levels. I wish he had posted the photo to restore some faith in humanity. But would he have to show his id in the photo too? lol. It's getting ridiculous.
If Neve want to ship one to my house or set up a demo at some nearby store then I'll accept it. But just looking at the features and the price it's just not worth it sorry.
