As a Michigan fan....I'm very excited to see these teams in the conference and look forward to playing them.....I think these teams will be very competitive and successful.....welcome to the Big Ten guys
I’m like you. I enjoy watching two good teams. Now with the new additions we will see at least two ranked teams playing each other in the Big…Fight On!
@@andrewmueller9986I'm a Washington fan, and what Fisch is building in Seattle is crazy exciting. It's been super underreported in the national media too. I think that Washington is going to surprise the heck out of everyone next year. I've especially noticed that a lot of the zero fans have quit running their mouths (always a good sign). It's way too early to tell for sure, and I'm trying to temper my expectations. However, I'm legitimately more excited for next football season than I've ever been.
My favorite argument to discuss as a Duck fan coming into the Big is the weather argument. We don’t know what cold is. True, I’ve spent a couple winters in Montana and Oregon does not get anywhere close to that cold. But…. It is a different cold. I can’t wait to host y’all when it is 38 and raining in Oregon, you’ll find out. Yet, the most interesting stat is that most all of OUR (yours and mine) skill players aren’t from a cold state anyway, most come from warm places, they all hate the cold. Excited to be here, thanks for the invite! I hope and expect we will rep the Big well. PS if your coming to Oregon for any game this year, hit me up I will help make sure you have a good time and are well fed at my tailgate. ✌️
I have season tickets at Michigan. Literally the only cold ones are the last few games. The last one is always against OSU, so you may have to worry about one or two games.
True! The wet cold goes through very fast and everything aches. USC owns the Big 10 teams cold or no cold. Big 10 teams don’t know what to do with speed AND power.
As a Duck fan ...I think we need to remember that on any given Saturday you can win or lose no matter who you play. Yes it's a lot harder for teams on the bottom to win against the top teams. But how many games do we see a team and you wonder how in the world did they win. Thai's part of the fun and misery about football. I was around in the days when the only games Oregon had a chance of winning was the Civil War game against Oregon State. To see where we are now is really amazing. My son-in-law is a Michigan graduate so that will make that game even more fun. Here's to a great season in the BIG-10 (so weird to be saying that) in 2924.🏈😀🙃🙃
And I totally agree with you about USC. Coach Riley is him, and I’m confident in his ability to get the defense fixed. Did you watch their quarterback, Moss Miller in their bowl game? Bro is the TRUTH!
The problem is that B1G teams are built around November's weather. So every team is built to take the cold and to take and dish-out punishment no matter how bad their record becomes. The punishment week in and week out builds to an exhaustive November when the crappy weather rolls in. To the extent that the Pac teams do not have to play in the Midwest in November, the more likely they can win the conference. Nebraska found out about the B1G weather and punishing teams, and they have been mediocre since they've joined the B1G. Nevertheless, as a B1G fan, I look forward to having the Pac-4 in the B1G. Good luck guys. Looking forward to Washinton at Kinnick.
@@andrewmueller9986 Yeah Michigan had incredible defenses but A) they didn't play a ton of good offenses (until Michigan got to the playoffs) and B) Oregon also had the #2 offense in the nation to go with the defense.
How many points did Oregon give up to Washington? How many points did Michigan give up to Washington? Their defenses were not even close in aptitude.@@xero4158
Yeah but if you are going to argue that Michigans defensive stats were aided by some bad offenses on their schedule, why would you mention oregon having the 2 offense in the country? If you want to take stats with context, then possibly there were a lof of bad defenses in the PAC12 and that helped Oregon's offense finish #2 statistically. Contextualize all teams stats, not just the teams that aren't your favorite.
Love the vid! I think UCLA’s floor may actually be lower, but their ceiling may be higher. We have a veteran QB, lots of the offense coming back, and the locker room is galvanized. We could easily win 2 of the 5 big games. That being said, if the HC hire goes south and we have bad off/def playcalling, we could get trampled, and we have a crazy tough stretch at the beginning to get through. I’d say floor 3-9, ceiling 9-3 due to the huge variability.
~ Oregon is 11 - 6 vs the Big10 in the last 25 years... Including two wins against Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl and beat Michigan the last two times they played, including one in the Big House and beat Ohio State in the Shoe last time they played.. Oregon also beat Michigan State in 2014 when Michigan State finished the season 12 - 2... The weather in Eugene and Corvallis Oregon is around 39° with rain during the late fall season and play in Pullman and Seattle Washington and Salt Lake City and Boulder Colorado.. The weather conditions aren't going to be the huge difference that some want to believe it is..
The conferences are becoming absurd. The Big Ten is an upper Midwestern Conference. It's bad enough that Penn State, Maryland, and Nebraska are in the conference. At least, those teams border on the classically upper Midwest. There is no way in the world that California teams are in the Midwest. This move takes away from regional rivalries.
washington is going to take a bit of a rebuild but I think they're gonig to surprise a lot of people next year and as long as Fisch stays around I think with the staff we have we are going to be a force in a few years
Imagine Petersen if he actually gave out more offers. 😅 He had classes of 16,15,18,16 the last 4 years. Fisch already has an overall recruit ranking of 29th in 3 weeks. That ties the highest ranking of both Jimmy and Kalen.
USC has a pretty tough schedule though.... I don't expect him to be quite ready to compete with the likes of Penn State or better.. But they'll be better than most of the current Big ten teams.... And the trajectory will probably keep going up. They might be competitive for the conference title and CFP fairly soon.
I’ll make 2 points. Firstly, the 4 teams entering the Big 10 have an overall Rose Bowl record against current Big 10 teams of 32-20. That said, the overall best that these teams give can more than compete with the top of the Big 10. Secondly this weather myth. When will a game be played outdoors in Big Ten country past the last week of November? Never. Even the Championship game is indoors. It’s not like the NFL with playoff games being played outdoors in late January.
That's a good win, but there is no need to try that hard to impress people. Saying "smacked" when the margin was 7 points, just reeks of immaturity. A mature adult would just say they beat them. Also I dont think that people necessarily forgot that result. People could remember but so what? Past results don't cause this season's results.
@@andrewmueller9986 I think its more for the people saying that the West coast teams *can't* beat teams in the midwest when Oregon beat a stacked OSU team with a pretty mediocre Oregon team that year. The 2024 Oregon team projects to be much better than that 21' team. Plus you throw in the fact that Lanning is an SEC guy building the roster within the SEC mold, the narrative that te B1G will be "too tough" seems like a stretch.
@@xero4158 Oh I think Oregon will do very well in the B1G. "The new teams will all struggle" is a dumb simplistic statement IMO. I dont think honestly think many fans of big 10 teams are even saying that. It's a fringe statement. As for the Oregon over OSU win in 2021: OSU was stacked on offense that season, and had above average talent on defense but had statistically one of their 2 worst defenses of the last 20 seasons in 2021. They had a terrible DC who was a last minute desperation hire. That OSU defense gave up 26 ppg in 2021. Oregon scored more than that, but just keep the in mind that despite winning 11 games (includes the rose bowl over Oregon) that was actually one the worst 3 teams OSU has had in the last 20 years.
Yes Oregon smacked OSU at home. While OSU smacked Oregon the last 9 or so times they played them including the national championship if U want to talk about the past. Oregon first win over Ohio State. Oregon is a good but not an elite team yet until they can at least win a championship like Ohio State and even Michigan has in the last ten years.
1. UW is far higher in all of these metrics when you remove the Jimmy Lake effect. Jedd Fisch in a few weeks has already tied Deboer for his highest ranked overall class at UW. Peterson had UW consistently inside the top 20 on recruiting and he was very particular about how he recruited. 2015-2020 26, 29, 22, 16, 15, 16 UW is easily comparable to Penn State in recruiting with the right leadership. Recruiting wise: Oregon and USC are comparable to Ohio and Mich. UCLA could be higher but they got some things to figure out. Also, the B1G is gonna experience offense unlike what they’ve seen for a while. Also, UW is historically a defensive school. Don’t get fooled by the couple of offensive coaches in recent years. 80% of the US population lives from the middle of Texas to the East Coast. 18% live on the West Coast. All 4 of these teams live in the major population zone of the west. They also have access to the islands for some of their Big Boys.
UCLA should be higher but their ceiling is still lower than the rest of the PAC to BIG teams. UCLA will always be 2nd fiddle in their own city. Not only that I honestly believe it will be harder for UCLA to keep guys that the blue bloods (USC,Oregon,OhioSt, Michigan) pass on. If UCLA going for a 3 star player I honestly think it will be harder to keep them now. In past they might be battling Oregon State or Arizona for that player. Now they may be battling Nebraska or Michigan State. And thats IF UCLA can get its financials and NIL in line. UCLA having money problems so it might take 5 years in Big 10 to even get to competitive level financially and then you have to assume the attitude of the administration towards football changes too. UCLA got a uphill battle for sure but I agree the other 3 PAC to BIG teams are in good shape for the short and long term.
UCLA fan here, just wanted to clarify something real quick, we’re so low in returning production due to D’Anton Lyns departure, NOT Chip Kelly’s. In fact, not one kid has stepped into the portal since Kelly left. We also had a consensus first round pick go to the draft and lost some other guys to the draft as well.
The Pac-12 biggest weakness was its games/teams were not being watched by anyone east of the Rockies. Now, they can offer recruits nice weather, major media markets, some elite academics AND a national viewership. It might not show up for a few years, but they could become recruiting powerhouses at least among athletes that want to attend classes.
The Big 10 isn’t stacked top to bottom. These PAC 12 will compete with several. They will have their hands full with OSU, Michigan, And a few others. I look forward to next season with some new looks in the Big. I love that stat about recruiting. Michigan was 14th over last three seasons and appeared in the CFP in all three years and cumulated with a natty this year. I’m not sure how you think Oregon has a cakewalk. Their schedule looks a little tougher than your assessment. Depending which division of the Big 10 teams land in, they may have to run the table to get in the Big 10 title game. I guess with a 12 team playoff, a few teams will limp in with two losses.
B1G defenses wouldn't look as good if they had Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, Bo Nix, Noah Fifita, and Cam Ward to contend with. DJU was probably better than all but 2 QBs in the B1G. Oregon is as advertised and will be competing fit a B1G championship in year 1. USC is going to be better than most think. UW is rebuilding, but they will eventually be a good team in the B1G. UCLA is a dumpster fire and would be bad in any P4 conference.
@@andrewmueller9986 It should go without saying that UM and OSU have legit defenses. The rest are inflated. Also, Penix only threw for 1 more yard against USC as he did UM. Does that mean USC's D is good? Using one game as a reference of entire conferences is what casuals do.
@@zoam7881 that game doesn't represent a whole conference but it shows the huge drop.off in phenix stats compared to playing Oregon. Iowa and psu had statistically top 10 defenses, not just osu and um.
@@andrewmueller9986 Iowa is a perfect example. 35 points to Tennessee. 31 to PSU. 26 to UM. Every decent offense didn't have trouble scoring on them. Look at Penix's stats by game. That wasn't even his worst one.
I cant remember their opponent in the game that they only scored about 13 points and almost lost, but the Washington fans said that most of the Huskies had the flu for that game.
Short term Oregon will compete, long term USC will be at the top of the league. Washington and UCLA will be above average when being ran by competent coaches/admin
@@koty4558 ~ Oregon will get over $1 billion dollars when Phil Knight dies.. He is worth $43 billion dollars.. Oregon athletics will be the main beneficiary.
@@koty4558 Agreed, good point about life after Uncle Phil. Oregon heavily relies on California recruits. That will slowly turn as USC gets it's act together and keeps the best players at home.
@@David_USC Not only that but having these west coast teams will help some existing Big 10 teams recruit Cali. For example if a Cali player got Oregon in its top 5 but also has Michigan in there. I think adding the PAC teams could help a school like Michigan or Nebraska in West Coast Recruiting.
I think they will do well but it will be very tumultuous with lots of fluke results. The home field advantage factor is going to sky rocket. I dont care how bad UCLA is, when they are hosting an Ohio State or a Penn State they might be able to pull off a shocker
Okay I have multiple issues 1) Gotta look at recruiting classes in a present day tense with how fluid CFB is nowadays. Only the elite teams are sustainable year after year. Coaching changes are frequent, especially OCs and DCs in p5 and that means new schemes, new recruits, new everything, thanks to the lovely carousel . With Nebraska for example, that 3 year span u mentioned includes the final year of scott frost, which was an awful rankings wise. 41st nationally, one of the worst p5 classes in the nation. The next 2 years, Nebraska has had Matt Rhule out-recruited that Frost class by a mile each year. And another thing about them, when you mention Nebraska's recruiting pipeline states, those states change with the coaching changes. When they joined the B1G, Pelini was fired less than 2 years later. He was the one with those connections on his staff. Mike Riley, his replacement, recruited awfully, not even close to the same level as Pelini. Mostly because he avoided those states Pelini was in. Same with Frost. He put together better classes, but his staff lacked the player development aspect. They used to put multiple guys in the league every year via the draft, and it quickly became 1 or even 0. Every staff has their different areas because of their coaching staff's previous locations they coached at though. Rhule is re-establishing that Texas pipeline fwiw, as well as Philly, and currently building key relationships in the Iowa-Kansas-Missouri area, which is blowing up in this 2025 class and the upcoming 2026 class. He has also dominated the instate rankings recently as well, which neither Riley or Frost did. Those guys practically ignored instate recruits. Teams used to come in and take the #1 player in the state for free every year. 2) You mentioned UCLA has money. Compare their staff's salaries to any of the current B1G teams. Shit, even take Nebraska for example, since we're on that topic. It's a night and day difference. UCLA's money is as close to a non-factor as possible. It's the sole reason why Dante Moore left. They couldn't pay him. They have juniors leaving for the draft and other dudes hitting the portal too, even before the coaching change. Maybe if the new coach can get the donors pumped up, they'll have money to pay their players, but idk. Doesn't seem likely. Maybe I'm being over critical, who knows. Still a great video though. I believe all 4 are legit, and especially Oregon. I'm a little skeptical of UCLA, mainly because of their beast of a schedule but at the end of the day, teams are getting better and better. I swear it seems CFB is more competitive every year.
It's the same argument that wazzu fans always use when the Apple cup is played in pullman. I don't remember a single time in my life that poor weather has truly helped wazzu win. I do however remember the weather hurting wazzu sometimes during the Mike Leach years.
@@carlosnuckols8470 Okay fine, I guess it happened one time during my life on a technicality. I was like 4 months old. You are the one trying to act like weather never matters. I'm just saying that it matters, but it's not something a team can always bank on. The example that I used was the 2018 Apple cup. I guess that I wasn't specific enough for you. Every cougar fan that I knew, including the local media were talking about snow in pullman favoring the cougars. Meanwhile, they had an air raid offense, and Washington had a run heavy offense. The weather absolutely had an effect on the outcome of that game. You would be a fool to think otherwise. I still think that the better team won, but I'm also not going to deny reality. How are you going to act like weather never plays a factor, then use another game where weather mattered to back up that claim. You kind-of just defeated your own argument.
I feel like these teams from the PAC12 will vastly improve the overall level of play in the BIG10...but curious how they will fair against a REAL defense. (UM.OSU.PS, Iowa)
This is a dumb question. The conference is mediocre and top heavy. It’s been all about Ohio St & Michigan. Washington, USC and Oregon are better than 2/3 of the programs in conference and you ask if they can compete? It’s also not about next year but long term.
Also USC: 3rd best offense, 116th worst defense, ZERO 5-star recruits, ZERO top 10 D players from Cali, lost 16 of the best players to the portal and 6 more to the draft; portal signings = ZERO 5-star guys. Better coaches to be sure, but players? Ehhhhh. A 7-5 season will really light the bonfires.
Not really. This ain’t the East Coast. These teams already do a bit of travel. Think about UW’s location. The Beavers are 4.5 hours away and Ducks closer to 5 hours. You’ve got WSU in state. You’re flying to Utah, USC, UCLA, Cal, Col, Stan, AZ, and ASU. UW has played in snowstorms, wind, and rain. They like defense and running the ball….contrary to KDB’s style 😅 Oregon is in a similar situation to UW but a little closer. USC and UCLA are pretty far south and have to do quite a bit of travel as well. Honestly, based on history, location, and style of play - UW will probably have the easiest transition to the B1G. They just happen to be in a rebuild year.
@@BeWise4Life exactly. People vastly overestimate the travel. So they will travel an extra hour on the plane for two or three games each year. no big deal.
The B1G picking up Oregon was huge for the conference. If they wouldn’t have, the SEC would have ended up grabbing them and then they would have had a stranglehold on CFB. As of right now, they are pretty even. Kinda depends on how things shake out at Bama and Michigan. And I guess Washington but I don’t think anyone is really taking them serious anymore after Deboer left and they lost their entire roster.
😂 If you’re talking solely about 2024 then I’ll give you that. UW is only in this position because of Jimmy Lake and Deboer. Those 2 didn’t recruit worth crap the last 3 years. By comparison, in 3 weeks, Fisch has already equaled the highest overall recruit ranking of both those coaches. I won’t be surprised if he gets them back to that Chris Petersen range of around 16. UW is more comparable to a Penn State. Oregon recruits well but rarely does anything with it. USC….just has no excuses. They should have a dynasty like Bama but doesn’t. UCLA is a Bball school with poor finances. Don’t expect them to be double digit winners too often.
@@BeWise4Life Exactly, Deboer didn’t recruit anyone at Washington. All their good players were brought in by Lake and Peterson and they are gone. And I’m not sure what your talking about with Fisch marching their recruiting ranking, Washington is ranked 38th in 2024 and 44th in 2025 lol. That’s bottom of the barrel. They are in a complete rebuild and will be irrelevant for a while. They have 1 returning starter. Lanning has been an elite recruiter and this will really be the first year he’s getting all of his guys on the field that he recruited. He’s only been at Oregon 2 years and he lost to 1 team last year and won a NY6 bowl. Oregon is going to be elite, there’s no arguing it. They have a top 4 roster in the entire country already, and they are dominating in recruiting and the portal alongside Ohio State. Those two teams will run the B1G for the foreseeable future. Michigan is TBD. Washington will struggle to go .500 this year.
@@KFBALL247 “Overall” ranking includes transfers. It was too late for Fisch to do much in the 2nd phase of recruiting so most of his work was done through the portal. They are 21st in the Portal and 29th overall. My hot take is that if KDB stays then his recruiting class is probably around 22nd and he had the opportunity to land a massive transfer class with the coaching turnovers following Saban and Harbaugh leaving. Can you imagine what KDB could have done if he stayed at UW and got to poach talent from these schools????? Natty runner up with openings for immediate playing time and 3 returning starters on the o-line. UW could have done an immediate reload.
Good vid. I agree, they will be able to compete. I think Oregon will do well in 2024. USC and Washington will have limited success. UCLA won't but may do well later but not for several years, until they sign a good coach.
Washington will take a step back, but they will not be a anything like a pushover... USC might surprise a few people... UCLA is in trouble, but Oregon... Oregon is not only a Big 10 contender but it's also a legitimate national conference contender... Period. So many preconceptions.... The PAC 12 was ridiculously last year.
SP+, which is highly predictive, says the **best** USC will do is 7-5. Oregon 1 conference loss; UW and ucla .500 or so. It's not going to go well this first year.
A lot of the most overconfident Big 10 fans almost seem to pretending like they are absorbing the entire Pac12. They are in fact absorbing the 4 best Pac12 teams. All of these schools have good NIL, good access to one of the nations best recruiting hotspots, and a history of success. Michigan, Ohio State, and to a lesser degree Penn State all have plenty of reasons to be overconfident. They have traditionally had plenty of reasons to be confident in their own conference. The rest of the Big10 schools are delusional if they think that they are set to dominate the additions. Really, this addition will more than likely increase the disparity between the schools at the top of the conference, and the bottom.
Did you watch any of the Washington games? Pennix was just off that game. Michigan got lucky. If you disagree, bet your house on Michigan vs Oregon this season. Didn't think so. 😂
Usc top 4 receivers are hella skilled. They all wee true freshman last year. Two of them are 6'5 or taller. One is Branch. Who can take any one to the house
Those teams will recruit better now that they are in the B1G. There's no reason for the California quarterbacks and other skilled players to go east, such as Alabama, to get exposure.
I don't like any of it. The conferences have been ruined and the bowl games have been ruined. College football without tradition isn't college football, it's just about TV revenue.
Yea i dont think any of them is going to take a major step back. The only team junping leagues that signed their own death warrant is the Oklahoma Sooners. Theyre used to winning 10 a year and pushing for the playoffs but they are not at all built to handle SEC teams. Almost every time they play an SEC team its not just a close loss, its a total spanking on the line of scrimmage. Texas will be fine but not the Sooners, my opinion.
For every Oregon state, wsu, and Cal that the Pac12 had, the Big 12 had their equivalents in Minnesota, Illinois, and Rutgers. Even the top to bottom argument is so stupid.
@@ronlowney4700 K, you're weird. I was agreeing with you, and your comment about the top end of each conference. I was just adding the historic bottom end of each conference too. Heres the facts. Heres every one of the schools in my comments all time bowl record. Oregon State: 12-8. 3 Rose bowls. Washington state: 8-10. 4 Rose bowls. Cal: 12-12-1. 8 Rose bowls. Minnesota: 12-12. 2 Rose Bowls. Illinois: 8-12. 5 Rose Bowls. Rutgers: 7-5. 0 Rose Bowls. (I am aware of Rutgers not being historically a Big 10 team.) Those records are pretty similar. However, the PAC12 edges way out with their Rose Bowls. The amount of Rose bowl appearances of traditionally lower tier Pac12 teams just speaks to the historic parity of the conference. Maybe you're a fan of one of the teams that I included on the low tier list. If so, then don't blame me. I wasnt talking trash on any of these schools. Just stating facts. There's a reason why those 3 schools were the last get invites, or didn't get invites to join other conferences.What part of my comment was feelings? Wtf man!
Easily compete is insane. Oregon will succeed the fastest. Washington is replacing 20 of 22 starters plus a HC. It'll take them awhile. USC is just overrated in general and UCLA sucks. Recruiting WRs is not the same as recruiting O-Line and D-Line. USC has no trenches. For context, Utah dominated the PAC-12 but is 1-6 all time against the B1G including 2 losses to Northwestern over the last 4 years. When people say the PAC-12 can't hang, it's because they don't play a full 9 game B1G schedule. One nonconference or bowl game doesn't matter. Nebraska had high hopes too until the grind. 😂
That’s what penn state and Nebraska said we’re going to dominate the b1g the pac 12 doesn’t play defense just look what happened to Washington in the national championship penix was beat to a pulp never seen a defense like Michigans
I remember when majority saying Oregon doesn’t belong in the BIG10 and have no value. Turned out it’s one of the most valuable in the end. And now suddenly many realize how valuable this proram is. People can’t compare 20 years ago to now. If you’re going back from the past, you’re stupid. When someone is bitter, he/she will keep saying negative and they will continue doing it. Nowadays, it’s all about money and popularity. Meaning, if you’re popular in the eyes of people you get attention. Same with viewership in entertainment. Sports draws big time viewers. That’s how media companies make money. Universities are becoming well known worldwide because of sports medias. And it’s good for them. Accept the facts people. Say all you want
@@andrewmueller9986 why don’t you go back to the past comments when USC and UCLA announced when they were going to the BIG10. Then tell me not majority. Lol
Maybe but why does Oregon need bigten to respect them when Oregon doesn't respect themselves but saying they going to dominate bigten why playing in pac12 when won how many titles OR national championship?
Idk it seems like the narrative is that they will do good just ncs they actually play offense. No such thing as offense in the bug ten which boost its “defense” even thought Theyre slow and bad. The pac schools will bring offense in.
