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Why the Fourth Crusade Attacked Constantinople 

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The Fourth Crusade ended up in Constantinople, but the reasons why are far more complex than you know.
This video is by request from one of my friend's here on youtube, eraser695. Thanks for a great request my brother!
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The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople
by Jonathan Philips
God's War
Christopher Tyerman

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@jedihunter176
@jedihunter176 7 лет назад
Pope Innocent III: Go! Take Jerusalem! Reclaim God's people! Crusaders: Destroy Constantinople. Got it. Pope: ???
@SheryAwan123
@SheryAwan123 5 лет назад
He never minded the booty he took 😏
@mercenaryknight5419
@mercenaryknight5419 5 лет назад
The Pope condemned these fail lords.
@rockergaming6230
@rockergaming6230 4 года назад
lmao this needs to be memed
@petardukic6541
@petardukic6541 4 года назад
The beheaded and powerless capital of the Byzantine Empire faced crusade plunder and destruction, which is considered one of the most terrible that befell any city. During the four days that lasted, according to some, the crusaders raged through the city, during which most of the people survived the torture, massacres and rapes to which all persons were exposed, regardless of age or gender. The Crusaders destroyed a large number of churches, courtyards, monasteries and sculptures (among them were sculptures made by the ancient masters Phidias and Praxiteles) and looted a good part of the icons, relics and sculptures that were kept in the city. The leader of the Crusaders, Boniface of Monferrato, took the castle of Bukeleon with all his treasures, while Henry of Flanders (brother of Baldwin of Flanders) did so with the castle of Vlahern.
@orthodoxy6470
@orthodoxy6470 3 года назад
@@SheryAwan123 pervert
@dilu3651
@dilu3651 7 лет назад
As a Greek I have rarely heard claims that the crusade was aimed at the City from the start. The story we learn at school in Greece is very similar, except we place a lot of emphasis on what the crusaders did IN Constantinople. Wikipedia:"The crusaders inflicted a savage sacking on Constantinople for three days, during which many ancient Greco-Roman and medieval Byzantine works of art were either stolen or destroyed. The magnificent Library of Constantinople was destroyed. Many of the civilians of the city were slaughtered, raped and looted. Despite their oaths and the threat of excommunication, the crusaders ruthlessly and systematically violated the city's churches and monasteries, destroying, defiling, or stealing all they could lay hands on; nothing was spared.[49][50] " On the other hand, there had also been a massacre of Latins in Constantinople around 1185. We don't learn a lot about that. But don't think people seriously support the crusade was aimed at Constantinople!
@TyranyFighterPatriot
@TyranyFighterPatriot 5 лет назад
@BulgaroSlav Which is why only Latins were massacred. Yea, sure...
@TyranyFighterPatriot
@TyranyFighterPatriot 5 лет назад
@BulgaroSlav Not buying it. The religious distinctions and motivations were clear. I, a Latin myself, don't condone the "Crusader" genocide upon Constantinople btw
@TyranyFighterPatriot
@TyranyFighterPatriot 5 лет назад
@BulgaroSlav lol if you wanna debate then debate among yourself to find the truth instead of trying to win trophies (non Orthodox) over to your faith
@1985LISS
@1985LISS 4 года назад
no but some uneducated Catholics try to deny it or try to go around it and say it was all politics, but yet they are very cold. Their mission was to help us yes, but envied us instead and wanted other interests. here in NY They even envy since we have more tradition. The way we show our faith, the way we celebrate it.. THey hate us for saying we are the true faith and they know deep inside their church has so many errors, that is why there was a protestant reformation afterwards. Even they did not like the pope idea
@PapaPhilip
@PapaPhilip 4 года назад
@BulgaroSlav And Thessaloniki was sacked in 1185 in retribution for the Latin massacre. No excuse for sacking Constantinople.
@goldeneagle8721
@goldeneagle8721 8 лет назад
during the greek revolution a venetian volunteer blew up the parthenon by "accident" i am really concerned about the venetians
@Varstfoethr
@Varstfoethr 8 лет назад
Correction: Morosini blew up the parthenon. He wasn't a volunteer, he was a doge...or he became one after. Anyhow that happened in the 1600s not during the revolution. He called it a 'fortunate shot'
@giannisgiannis870
@giannisgiannis870 5 лет назад
Big greek revolution of 727 against Vizantine army..after 1261,greeks took the control of Constantinople until 1453.Later the control had the sultan.
@DimitrisGenn
@DimitrisGenn 5 лет назад
@BulgaroSlav Why we should have?
@DimitrisGenn
@DimitrisGenn 3 года назад
@Based Basedness Meaning?
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 13 лет назад
@rahotep101 You seem to be unclear on the political realities of the West and East. In the West succession went smoothly and palace coups were almost unheard of. The rights of heirs were almost never questioned. You can't compare minor quibbles between Western nobles to the absolute political decay that plagued the court at Constantinople.
@underinfluence9639
@underinfluence9639 3 года назад
now its the opposite (sorry 9 years ago, but i can't help xD)
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 13 лет назад
@rahotep101 It's unfortunate that a Western style government couldn't have been established in Constantinople, since the political institutions of the West were far more stable than those in the East. If Byzantine politics had been secure in the first place, the Byzantines could've used the Crusades to their advantage; the First Crusade was ready to submit to Alexios' generalship. But he wouldn't go because, as his daughter Anna tells us, he was worried about uprisings in his capital city!
@aficionado1062
@aficionado1062 10 лет назад
After taking Constantinople the crusaders proclaimed a Latin empire and crowned their own emperor. They engaged in military campaigns claiming lands from their neighbours. How does it fit with this theory?
@papageitaucher618
@papageitaucher618 6 лет назад
it doesn't
@bdkim79
@bdkim79 5 лет назад
Sir, I don't agree. From the military perspective, it makes perfect sense. They spilled much blood to take the city, so they did everything they could to keep and expand what they got. Isn't it sensible that conquerors behave like conquerors?
@papageitaucher618
@papageitaucher618 5 лет назад
@@bdkim79 they behaved like conquerors and they should be perceived as conquerors and not as the victims of a giant misunderstanding as this video makes out
@CatholicK5357
@CatholicK5357 5 лет назад
@@papageitaucher618 In the videos own words, it was not meant to either demonize nor to excuse what happened. You are reading into the video what is not there.
@viniciusmotta13
@viniciusmotta13 4 года назад
@Papagei Taucher they are not victims, the only thing this video said is that the original plan of the crusade was never to conquer constantinople or destroy the greek empire. if the greeks had not killed alexios IV and allowed him to fulfill his promises, nothing would’ve happened.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
I am not trying to justify nor excuse anyone involved in this. Whether or not a moral crime took place depends on one's idea of morality. History is about breaking down events and understanding them, not passing sweeping generalized judgments. Conflict among the Byzantines had as much to do with the result as anything the Latins did. If you're going to blame the Latins, you can blame the Byzantines as well, but blame in general won't help you understand the event.
@sivaforutube
@sivaforutube 2 года назад
"I am not trying to justify " what led you to the analysis? Objectivity? No. It is your intuition that something is not right here.
@Ruhnald
@Ruhnald 8 лет назад
I'm enjoying watching all your videos. When I was in college I had a class in Medieval history and it consisted solely of this episode, the narrative being how oafish, misguided and avarice riddled the Western Crusaders were to undertake the siege of a foreign Christian bastion citadel. Second text was "the Crusades Through Arab Eyes".
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 лет назад
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the videos! Sounds like the class wasn't providing a sound perspective on the Crusades at all.
@Ruhnald
@Ruhnald 8 лет назад
no, your description fills in a lot of holes about this event. What really was missing was an overarching understanding of the dire threat to Europeans that the Crusades were aiming to address from Islam.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 лет назад
That's absolute nonsense and there isn't a shred of evidence to verify what you're claiming.
@Ruhnald
@Ruhnald 8 лет назад
Is what you're referring to the Renaissance and departure from Feudalism being enabled by the wealth taken in the sack of Constantinople?
@intanto1
@intanto1 8 лет назад
This is try annd/or (in any ace) admitted by most Western European students. At least, it helped. Of course, we are mainly talking about art and literature. The departure from Feudalism in term of mind attitudes democracy and respect for the single citizen (individuals) is different story.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 10 лет назад
***** No. He offered to pay them. He came to them asking for their help and offering them a deal. They accepted. They put him on the throne and did not try to interfere with his reign. They even waited patiently while he gathered the payment he'd promised. He visited with them regularly. They had a good relationship. The problem arose when Alexios was murdered by other Byzantines who seized the government and turned hostile toward the Crusaders. At that point the Crusaders felt that they were justified in avenging their murdered friend as much as anything. Latin culture held that murdering a legitimate ruler was among the most unforgivable of offenses.
@rogerrramjet1205
@rogerrramjet1205 10 лет назад
When the Ottomans were about to conquer Istanbul,(Constantinople)the Byzantine Empire was in a poor state.The Europeans said they would help only if the Byzantines converted to Catholism.But the Byzantine Empire was the head of Orthodoxy, and so could not obey the Pope.Immense hostility existed between the two branches of Christianity.for various historical reasons. Even so on 12 December 1452,a ceremony was directed by Cardinal Isidore,sent by Pope,
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 10 лет назад
The Byzantines themselves knew that their city was a den of vice and greed by that point. Perhaps if they left the Crusaders alone, or perhaps if they actually HELPED THEM, the Crusaders would've ignored or helped Byzantium maintain itself. So what you're saying is, if the Crusaders kept the city's wealth there and just settled in after taking the city, it'd be all okay?
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 10 лет назад
They tried and failed. The problem is, they betrayed the Crusaders three times already. They let the Crusaders starve in Crusade number one, led them to Muslim ambushes in Crusade number two, and attacked them in crusade number three. They shouldn't have attacked the crusaders with armies of draftees and disloyal mercenaries. If they kept Basil II's citizen-army intact, they'd probably have conquered the Muslims on their own and not need the crusades.
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 10 лет назад
It wasn't greed. It was vengeance. If the Byzantines left the Crusaders alone, the Crusaders would've left them alone. The Pope even continually pressured them to NOT involve themselves with Byzantium.
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 10 лет назад
That was on Venice's orders, and that was because the Crusade was threatening to break up. The Pope reprimanded them for that. Said cities were engaged in a military rebellion against Venice, which was allied with the Crusaders at that time.
@2coryman
@2coryman 8 лет назад
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING IT PLAIN TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO BYZANTIUM Sad but well said, you laid the vicious misinformation to rest, throwing a great amount of light over untruths . I am sure this piece of the pulse in Byzantine history will be able to enlighten many to learn from the mistakes of the past. But then again one must be willing to accept it
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 8 лет назад
+2coryman Thanks, glad you enjoyed the analysis.
@thantop
@thantop 7 лет назад
And they turned Hagia Sophia into stables.....western animals
@carolingian5736
@carolingian5736 6 лет назад
The punishment for your schism
@Huczek141
@Huczek141 6 лет назад
Borgia had sex with her daughter.
@elitemangudai1016
@elitemangudai1016 5 лет назад
@@Huczek141 what??
@bill0127
@bill0127 5 лет назад
Well it is easier to carry off all that heavy stuff they took with horses and carts..... engineering solution i guess
@giannisgiannis870
@giannisgiannis870 5 лет назад
And from this,many greeks and italians were killed.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Bokababe The Crusaders never intended to take Constantinople in the first place. They were drawn into the political turmoil within the city. Also, Alexios Angelos was not a rejected ruler, he had been deposed by a palace coup instigated by a small faction within the larger political environment of Constantinople. Your explanation is ahistorical nonsense.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 13 лет назад
@eraser695 Thanks so much for the request my brother! I hope you find this video to your liking! It would never have been made had you not suggested it.
@THESPATHARIOS
@THESPATHARIOS 11 лет назад
Although they were lured to the idea of going to Constantinople by a Byzantine claimant to the throne, I don't think the crusaders were innocent in their own undertaking. yes they wanted to help a "friend to their nobility" but there must be a more firm issue that should have attracted them to the city. I mean the crusaders were not that naive to divert their expedition in order just to help a claimant accomplish his political agenda.
@meep3035
@meep3035 3 года назад
It was revenge for Byzantines geonociding its latin inhabitants.
@air_bill23onig88
@air_bill23onig88 3 года назад
@@meep3035 this is nonsense
@BryceGirdner
@BryceGirdner 3 года назад
Crusaders needed the money and the Byzantine claimant promised to pay off the crusaders’ debt to the Venetians. That’s why.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Pavlos952 Thomas Madden and Jonathan Riley-Smith, two of the most important Crusades historians today, both agree that Runciman's work is "not history". His books are all right for chronological information, but they're absolutely full of subjective judgments that are based on nothing more than his own prejudices. Much of what he writes should be disregarded, especially the absurd notion that the Fourth Crusade is the worst thing that happened in history.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 13 лет назад
@Achilles1389 Honestly we can't be entirely sure how accurate the descriptions of "orgies" and "sacrilege" really are because they were only documented by Greek sources. It is likely that some desecration and other horrible things went on, we just don't know to what extent. I did mention in the video that many horrible acts took place that were truly tragic and wrong, which the leaders could not prevent. The Fourth Crusade was a terrible tragedy, the point is it wasn't just the West at fault.
@Manuel-qu3tc
@Manuel-qu3tc 3 года назад
How about the pope's own words? "How, indeed, will the church of the Greeks, no matter how severely she is beset with afflictions and persecutions, return into ecclesiastical union and to a devotion for the Apostolic See, when she has seen in the Latins only an example of perdition and the works of darkness, so that she now, and with reason, detests the Latins more than dogs? As for those who were supposed to be seeking the ends of Jesus Christ, not their own ends, who made their swords, which they were supposed to use against the pagans, drip with Christian blood, they have spared neither religion, nor age, nor sex. They have committed incest, adultery, and fornication before the eyes of men. They have exposed both matrons and virgins, even those dedicated to God, to the sordid lusts of boys." Was he also mislead by those perfidious Greeks?
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
And the actions of the Byzantine nobility, in neglecting the security of the empire and instead focusing on petty internal squabbling, to the point of plotting against one another and assassinating each other, are also inexcusable. There's plenty of blame to go around to all parties involved.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 13 лет назад
@NovaGub Good comments NovaGub! I thought of all that stuff, including the massacre of the Latins in the 1180s, and the capture of Zara, but I didn't really have time to mention them in this video. Perhaps in a future video I can use some of your points as sort of an addendum. The capture of Zara is also a disgrace. The Fourth Crusade really is just an all around horrible event an example of what could go the most wrong with a Crusade.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Oswulf1 I've heard Christopher Tyerman argue against that. He pointed out that the Byzantine holdings had been unstable long before the Crusaders arrived. The struggle among the Hungarians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Armenians, etc combined with the instability within Constantinople itself meant that the Greeks had already lost their ability to maintain a strong state in the face of Turkish opposition once the rivalries among the Turks had been eliminated by the Ottomans.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
That's one interpretation of what happened, written by a Greek. Not saying it absolutely didn't happen, but there's no absolute evidence that it did happen. Latins and Greeks both committed all sorts of "war crimes" against each other. Muslims too killed and enslaved untold numbers of Christians. Eastern Christians themselves fought each other, Byzantines themselves were constantly fighting. If you can take all that and find heroes and villains then be my guest, I think it's a futile task.
@spiffygonzales5899
@spiffygonzales5899 3 года назад
The most misconstrued part of crusading history. Glad someone finally explained why they attacked other Christians. It was two sides who did abhorrent things because they believed they had to.. and honestly they may very well HAVE had too. The eastern politics weren't exactly going to be happy with some random guy whos father had already been deposed suddenly yeeting himself into power, and the west needed funds and food otherwise both the army AND the nations they came from would have desperate ecanomic backlash. Nice video. Thank you.
@ihsankamil6279
@ihsankamil6279 3 года назад
Typical western Christian Apologist. How about the RAPE and Slaughter of Christian NUNS?? Really, its because "they believed they had to?" You disgust me
@Juubelimies
@Juubelimies 2 года назад
@@ihsankamil6279 He talks about both sides and probably didn't mean the rape of nuns. It is not apologism in my eyes.
@magatism
@magatism Год назад
By the time of fourth Crusade, Constantinople had strongly turned anti Crusaders. In the 1182purge of latins, 60,000 Latins were either killed or sold to Seljuk Turks as slaves, Whats more Constantinople had sent it's army to fight alongside turks against latins on two occassions. Needless to say, this obvious threat had to be removed for success of any future Crusades.
@groundzero5708
@groundzero5708 Месяц назад
Crusaders are war like people .if byzatines sided with them .turks would have won
@cybrotius
@cybrotius 8 лет назад
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
@DevilDaz17
@DevilDaz17 7 лет назад
cybrotius Im Greek and I liked your comment.
@macsudbine
@macsudbine 11 лет назад
Video is speculative and not based on historical facts. There is no mention of true reasons Venice wanted trade routes. The persons that he mentions in text are no real experts I checked them out
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΠλεύρης-τ3υ
What you say is true,there was no initial intention to attack byzantine lands and sack the holy city and was surely a tragedy that did not intentionally happen and happened only because they crusaders where at a very hard position and at the demand of Alexios claim to be emperor.Youre right about this im not gonna argue it even being a greek myself.Yet this question comes,why after the city was sacked the majority of the byzantine empire was divided amongst latin crusaders and the crusaders crowned their latin emperor and attacked remaining byzantine lands for their own interest? With byzantium becoming a thing only due to revolts and to the efforts of the nicean empire a lot of time after.Im sure there must be an excuse for this too right?Yet again awesome video and thanks for putting your time and devotion for my country and the biggest misunderstanding of the middle ages.You sir earned a subscriber.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 6 лет назад
Glad you liked the video. You're right, once Constantinople was captured, that particular group of Venetians and Franks decided to go all out and conquer the whole of the Byzantine Empire. But the truth is, the Fourth Crusade stopped being a crusade the moment they decided to attack Zara, at which point the bulk of the troops who'd signed up abandoned the operation, recognizing that it had become corrupt. Thanks, and take care. Glad to have your comment. I'm a big fan of Byzantine history.
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΠλεύρης-τ3υ
Glad to hear it my friend and well done for few in the western world even know about byzantium.Yes the fourth crusade did stop being a crusade when zara was sacked and the crusaders also got excomunicated by the pope that time.It was a somewhat retorical question,you know like why would they attack fellow christians and stuff.Thamks for replying it means a lot and thanks for your time and work on this and every single video you have done.Long live the empire.:D
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Pavlos952 The biggest problem with Runciman, according to medieval scholars today, is that he was incredibly biased in favor of the Byzantines and against the West. He wrote more in the style of a political commentator with an obvious agenda rather than as a neutral historian like Christopher Tyerman or Jonathan Riley-Smith. His very lacking research is also a problem. This is not an opinion I'm giving you, this is the consensus among scholars - they agree that Runciman is horrible.
@ΓιάννηςΒαφειάδης-ν3ψ
The wealth looted from Constantinople is counted at around 1 m. silver marks. The debt to the Venetians for the "Venetian Enterprise" was less than 1/10 (around 70-80,000). About 300-400,000 were officialy splitted among the Crusader factions and about half a milion were secretly kept by the "valiant knights" fighting for the sake of Christianity...
@kostas1989ification
@kostas1989ification 11 лет назад
The Turkish destruction of Constatinople was less barbaric than the Crusaders', many western historians agree to that.
@YesDudeNoMan
@YesDudeNoMan 6 лет назад
Yes
@papasmurf6180
@papasmurf6180 7 лет назад
Could you do one on the Massacre of Latins? People tend to forget that Byzantines massacred Latin communities prior to the Fourth Crusade.
@papasmurf6180
@papasmurf6180 7 лет назад
The Pope did not order the attack. The Crusader armies did on their own which ended with their excommunication from the Catholic Church by Pope Innocent II.
@papasmurf6180
@papasmurf6180 7 лет назад
Ghaztoir Just because some people in the church are pedophiles doesn't mean her teachings are false. The Catholic Church belongs to Jesus Christ and the pope is the successor of St Peter. The Orthodox should rejoin with Catholic against the new enemy of Islam.
@papasmurf6180
@papasmurf6180 7 лет назад
Ghaztoir I don't see anything wrong with celibacy and there's no link between celibacy and pedophilia. Paul was a celibate man. Secondly, just because some clergymen defend the guilty doesn't mean the church as a whole is guilty. Just like we shouldn't blame entire nations on a few depraved nationals. Thirdly, while the church in Antioch can be traced back to Peter, Peter left his position at Antioch "while he was alive" and was martyred in Rome. His tomb is found under St Peter's Basilica. Jesus said that the church will be built on Peter. The successor of Peter was Bishop Linus who was mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21. It was at Rome that the final authority of the Petrine ministry was consolidated.
@killerpanda7405
@killerpanda7405 6 лет назад
Imperator is a Latin word deriving from true Rome.Dont hate because Greeks cant fight.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Pavlos952 The point about technological breakthroughs in medieval history is just that thanks to computer-assisted methods of cataloging and organizing information, we now know more about the Middle Ages than ever before. For example, Riley-Smith created a massive database of virtually every documented Crusader from 1095-1131 and demolished old myths that Crusaders went for greed or because they were landless second sons. Runciman's scanty research doesn't even compare to this.
@TheHolyServant
@TheHolyServant 11 лет назад
I mean no offense but it looks like you're getting this out of Wikipedia or a Internet website, No matter. In the Video all of this was already stated, They sacked Constantinople as they thought their "ally" was killed by rebellious Greeks, the Pope himself disagree with it, Many Crusaders disagree and such. While I agree the leaders committed a horrid act your arguing in a Bias One-sided way while I look at the whole Picture and I will agree the Venetians did this for greed at most.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@punisherot That would be a cool one! Thanks for the idea, I'll save it for a future video.
@TheMexican1821
@TheMexican1821 11 лет назад
Are you a Roman Catholic?
@franciscomm7675
@franciscomm7675 5 лет назад
rch is a roman catholic. That explains why he portrays people like richard the lionheart, louis ix of france and isabella of castille as good guys, ommiting the controversial actions.
@crowbirdryuell
@crowbirdryuell 3 года назад
Im a Roman Catholic
@groundzero5708
@groundzero5708 Месяц назад
​@@franciscomm7675he is not .i think he anglican british
@explorer1968
@explorer1968 8 лет назад
Interesting data about it, altough this video-documentary neglects to mention that the Venetian leader Enrico Dandolo was captured and blinded by the Byzantines previously. Dandolo never forgot and forgave the latter and took good advantage of the planning and direction of the Fourth Crusade. The sacking of the city of Zara by the crusaders of the fourth crusade gave the Byzantines enough reason to shut the gates of Constantinople to the now suspicious crusaders. I understand that for the leaders of the crusade was necessary to get money for their campaign against the Ottoman Turks but the brutal and long-lasting sacking of the Byzantine capital plus the mass rape and murder of the local inhabitants and the sacrilegious looting of sacred Christian relics never justifies such an act. Didn´t Pope John Paul II asked for forgiveness to the Greek Christian Ortodox Church for the shameful fourth crusade?, because the assault was done by Roman Catholics, wasn´t it?
@johninman7545
@johninman7545 8 лет назад
+halfgeekpartyboy1968 I'm A 'Yeastless'one- Roman Rite-If we hadn't slit with you guys we'd of had married priest -had 'em fo 1'000 years-I'm looking for the love of Christ in all this His glorified hand has a hole in it and doesn't hold a sword well
@johninman7545
@johninman7545 8 лет назад
+halfgeekpartyboy1968 Pope John did indeed.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 13 лет назад
@rahotep101 I have read Niketas' chronicle. It's a valuable source, but it's also a biased one. You must also read the Western sources to get an accurate picture, and even then you have to realize that none of these sources are in any way free or partiality. It's pretty clear that the Greeks exaggerated the atrocities.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Oswulf1 I will agree with you that that had been the case AFTER the death of Baldwin IV in Jerusalem. But up until then succession of kings had been very smooth in Latin Jerusalem. The power struggle in the Holy Roman Empire was actually pretty rare in the West, generally monarchies changed hands with little incident. That's why the Franks considered Constantinople such a seat of treachery and insurrection.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 11 лет назад
Yeah. What's simple enough is that you're absolutely making absurd statements. You think the reconquest of Spain was funded by the conquest of Constantinople in 1204? Hilarious! The Latin Empire of Constantinople was a DRAIN on the West's wealth! Within 60 years the whole thing was destroyed after the pope had scrambled to pour money into preserving it. I'm just shocked that anyone could be so utterly mistaken.
@brianfuller7691
@brianfuller7691 3 года назад
A great video on a complex subject. You do a great job on the details.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 3 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@kingbaldwiniv5409
@kingbaldwiniv5409 7 лет назад
The Venitians, lead by Enrico Dendaldo (a 90 year old man blinded by the Byzantines) also compelled the Crusaders to pay their debt for the year's loss of trade by helping them take a Hungarian city (Zara) formerly held by Venice. The Pope also threatened the crusaders that would attack the Hungarians because their monarch (King Emeric) had taken up the cross himself. Pope Innocent went so long as excommunicating those that took part in the attack on both the Hungarians and Byzantines.
@Akkad100
@Akkad100 7 лет назад
The Orthodox did nothing wrong.
@Akkad100
@Akkad100 7 лет назад
True story.
@calebtimes453
@calebtimes453 7 лет назад
And now we move on
@asterixs259
@asterixs259 5 лет назад
Nah they were cowards
@WFASPigeonGang
@WFASPigeonGang 2 года назад
Massacre of the Latins
@zrah1092
@zrah1092 12 лет назад
this is so well done and very informative! Thanks!
@lzaxar
@lzaxar 11 лет назад
Constantinople never recovered after this ''crusade''. That is the truth. of course the empire was in decline, of course Byzantines plot and fight eachother(name me one empire that didnt have plots or murders or fighting), but the 4 crusade was a disgrace, more than the first one.
@Kaan109876543210
@Kaan109876543210 11 лет назад
No need to be defensive, i have no intention of attacking your view of history nor your credibility. from 5:52 to 6:04 you make the same statement however there is no source that specifically verifies that coups were not normal in the West but normal to the Greeks. I was hoping to find a source that could help me prove this. But none of the quotes do ( yes you referenced 2 scholars but i was looking more for a specific page in a book or at least a book, not just a name) :)
@cuchulain55
@cuchulain55 5 лет назад
there was no good reason to attack constatiople!
@edwardguidry2602
@edwardguidry2602 2 года назад
Money is reason enough for much horror.
@jjhh320
@jjhh320 8 месяцев назад
After the latin massacre two decades prior, the crusaders are pretty based for this
@cuchulain55
@cuchulain55 8 месяцев назад
yeah money. @@edwardguidry2602
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
Unfortunately they did not, though Crusaders did try to capture Egypt over the course of the 13th Century.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@alektoros Zionist West? What are you talking about? There was no Zionism in the Middle Ages.
@Justinian43
@Justinian43 13 лет назад
this is really great, but about Dandolo you never know, it was under Manuel Comnenus that he suffered a lot of insults, who knows maybe he never intended on attacking egypt (he was gaining some profitable trade agreements on cairo while waiting for crusaders to come up with the sum agreed
@Kenshin22able
@Kenshin22able 11 лет назад
Yes i know very well. But this is not an excuse to Sack Konstantinople.and the venetians had flourished with money from our trade routes so thats the reason. But the sack reveled the hatred and the jealousness of the face crusaders
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 11 лет назад
You're a fool if you don't think Jonathan Philips and Christopher Tyerman are experts on the Fourth Crusade.
@anthonyhargis6855
@anthonyhargis6855 7 лет назад
Educational, as always, J. Stephen.
@destronia123
@destronia123 11 лет назад
"No viable alternative"?? How about just walking away from the whole thing? Talk about blind apologetics.
@franciscomm7675
@franciscomm7675 5 лет назад
exacly
@CrunchyHobo2753
@CrunchyHobo2753 11 лет назад
Alexios IV was part of the crusade, but 1.Venetians did sack Constantinople for wealth, and also for revenge for the Massacre of Latins in 1182 that the Byzantine Emperor had nothing to do with. 2.The Massacre of the Latins was done by a Greek mob. The emperor didn't support it, he just didn't try to stop it because it gave him more control over trade.
@cyrilchui2811
@cyrilchui2811 6 лет назад
An innocent question. Constantinople was meant to be heavily fortified and have withstood attack from the east and from the west. Why the 4th Crusade was able to breach the wall? Was it because a) they had some secret weapon b) They discovered a secret passage into the city or c) they had a friendly gatekeeper who showed them a quick city tour?
@didymusorigenist804
@didymusorigenist804 12 лет назад
Sad turn of events. I imagine the Byzantine citizens wish they hadn't massacred those 60,000 Latins before then.
@thruthebook
@thruthebook 10 лет назад
Venice was the only trading center that had trading privileges in the Islamic world. Most Venetians weren't even Christians until after the 4th crusade. And even after that they were only nominally Christians.
@alebett2966
@alebett2966 8 лет назад
in my opinion it's true that there wasn't a plot with the aim to take constantinopole from the beginning of the crusade; however Venice already ruse the whole expedition for her puropse of taking Zara, and later when occasion occured, she saw the opportunity of taking a city of much more value then the far away alexandria (that was much more difficult to hold)... also Venice was, like a lot of other italian city state of that time (Florence, Milan, Pisa ecc), a sort of "republic" very trade based.The Bizantyne empire was far too much burocratic for the trade network that the italian cities had in mind so to overthrow it was something desiderable. All this was not in the aim of other western factions like the french kingdom, a very feudal kingdom. So i think that italians had the most interest in that time in changing the course of the crusade.However i have to recognise that Venetian troops stole a lot in constantinopole during the sack, but still preserve the masterpieces of that bewutiful city (stolen and brought to venice)... Insted french ignorant knights and troops just destroyed, burned and desacrate everything they could
@intanto1
@intanto1 8 лет назад
+ale bett Sì: le città stato italiane, incluse le repubbliche marinare, trassero vantaggi dalle Crociate, anche perchè il loro supporto logistico era quasi indispensabile.
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 10 лет назад
Rodney Stark writes venomously how the sack was remembered as the key sack of the city, noting that there were previous sacks in the past of Constantinople by the Byzantine Emperor’s own thieving mercenaries, and in the past, the Byzantine citizenry turned against the Latin residents of the city, to the point that thousands died: “Nothing here about the prior sacks of the city by Byzantines themselves during political coups; in 1081 Alexius Comnenus allowed his foreign mercenaries to plunder the capital for three days. Nor is there a word to acknowledge the centuries of Orthodox brutalities against Latin Christians: in 1182 the Emperor (Andronikos I Komnenos) incited mobs to attack all Western residents of Constantinople, during which thousands, including women and children, were massacred-many more deaths than are thought to have occurred during the city’s sack by the crusaders. Not a word about the instances of Byzantine treachery that occurred during each of the first three Crusades and that cost tens of thousands of crusaders their lives. Surely it is not surprising that these many acts of betrayal built up substantial animosity towards Byzantium” Rodney Stark raises a point that was supported by other historians who have looked into the so-called “Massacre of the Latins” in 1182. Historians such as Donald Nicol and Aleksandr Vasiliev mention them strongly in their accounts of Byzantine history. Aleksandr, in his work, History of the Byzantine Empire Volume 2, he quotes a Greek bishop who was delighted when Emperor Andronicus ordered the death of Latins: “The archbishop of Athens, Michael Acominatus, one of the most precious sources for the internal situation of the empire in the 12th century, wrote in eulogistic terms: “And first of all I shall remember how, at the troublesome and painful time, the Roman Empire appealed to its former darling, the great Andronicus, to overthrow the oppressive Latin tyranny, which, like a weed, had grafted itself on the young offshoot of the kingdom. The first thing he gave the capital in return for its pure love was deliverance from the tyrannous Latin insolence and the clearing of the empire from barbarian admixture.” Nicol’s version was a lot less flattering, however, as it is not a Byzantine account from the Byzantine perspective. His work, "Byzantium and Venice: A Study in Diplomatic and Cultural Relations," deals with when Andronicus was entering the city: “Andronicus sent in his Paphlagonian troops to incite the people against the Latins. The people needed no encouragement. With an enthusiasm fired by years of resentment they set about the massacre of all the foreigners that they could find. They directed their fury mainly against the merchants’ quarters along the Golden Horn. The slaughter was appalling. The Byzantine clergy shamelessly encouraged the mob to seek out the Latin monks and priests. The pope’s legate to Constantinople, Cardinal John, was decapitated and his severed head was dragged through the streets, tied to the tail of a dog. At the end some 4000 westerners who had survived the massacre were rounded up and sold as slaves to the Turks. Those who had escaped by ship took their revenge by looting and burning the Byzantine monasteries on the coasts and islands of the Aegean Sea.”
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 10 лет назад
France and England were the top civilizations of the time, because they had a working bureaucracy and government centered around the monarch with towns and cities having constitutional laws and kingdoms having legal documents like the Magna Carta and legal assemblies like the English Parliament and French Estates General protecting and being the voice of the people, and professional armies that didn't betray their kings when the money no longer sells. Oh, and guys like Richard Lionheart were capable of winning battles against Muslim leaders like Saladin. The Byzantines were nothing but Saladin's patsies by that time. And as for the cultural aspect, France was the epicenter of the Scholastic culture of Europe in the late 1100s. They were debating big topics like Aristotelianism and proving God while the Byzantines drowned in their vices and ceased to innovate anything. The West was growing in science, philosophy, politics, and art while the Byzantines continued to stagnate in mind, body, and soul. They speak of the Byzantines' civility, yet the Byzantines massacred the Latin half of their populace in the eponymous Massacre of the Latins, because fuck civility, what we needed was Latin blood on the streets of Constantinople and the Pope's legate beheaded and his head tied to the tail of a dog. They speak of the Byzantines' diplomatic solutions, yet their solution to the Ostrogoths no longer answering to them was to subject all of Italy, Roman and Ostrogoth, into the most devastating war that despoiled Italy's cities, massacred Italy's people, and made Attila the Hun look civilized by comparison. So, yeah, the only reason they were diplomatic was because they couldn't afford to inflict upon the Turks the same genocide they inflicted upon Italy. They speak of the Byzantines' scientific and philosophical knowledge, yet by the time of the Third Crusade, both the Muslims and the Latin Christians have left them in the dust in that department, especially with Latin Christendom developing Scholastic thought and philosophy in a way that EXPANDED upon the foundation Plato and Aristotle laid, not just ripped them off. Both the Muslim and Latin worlds were developing science, with the Latin West asking hard questions about the origin of evil and the proof for God in nature, while the Byzantines just rioted in their cities and killed their current ruler to replace him with another poor sap who would wind up getting killed too. Islam got a lot of support from oppressed Byzantine citizens across the Levant and North Africa, with said support being the thing that laid down the basis for the Golden Age of Islam. If Byzantium treated its own people right, the Muslims would've been just a minor nuisance at the border of the Empire. It would've just died out in the East. Instead, what was once just a group of raiders pillaging for wealth found plenty of support from an overtaxed populace ready to submit to a foreign ruler that wasn't going to interfere in their Church business or in their finances.
@PapaPhilip
@PapaPhilip 4 года назад
in 1185 the city of Thessaloniki was also sacked by the Norman Kingdom of Sicily in retribution for the Latin massacre. Thousands killed. Looks like there are really no "good guys" in any of these tragedies and everyone suffered.
@MingDynasty700
@MingDynasty700 12 лет назад
blaming the victims again...
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Masterfootballer23 Yeah this is definitely one of my least favorite things that ever happened during the Crusades.
@Kaan109876543210
@Kaan109876543210 11 лет назад
I was requesting a page in a book that verified you statement between 5:50 and 6:04, the names of 2 historians cant exactly be used to cite that statement which I need to do. However I have been doing independent research Memoirs of the Crusades 17-18 has some detail to the astonishment of one knight of the coup but doesn't really prove the statement
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 11 лет назад
The Byzantines and the Venetians tended to be hostile toward one another. That is circumstantial to the Fourth Crusade. All we can go by is the evidence, and so far that points to Venetian intentions aligned with the larger goal of the Crusade. The Venetians had been involved with Crusading for decades, such as the siege of Tyre in 1124. And we're not talking about just any scholars, we're talking about Jonathan Philips and Tom Madden, the two foremost experts on the Fourth Crusade living today.
@christiandarmanin6192
@christiandarmanin6192 9 лет назад
Excellent videos. They are an invaluable internet resource. I just have one question regarding this video; is it true that the crusaders were excommunicated by Innocent III? If this is true, then it is too vital to be left out. If they were excommunicated for attacking another Christian land, then they had arguably no legitimacy whatsoever.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 9 лет назад
Christian Darmanin Yes they were excommunicated. Later after they repented the Pope removed their excommunication.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 9 лет назад
Christian Darmanin And thanks!
@sonsoftheedelweiss72
@sonsoftheedelweiss72 5 лет назад
Wink, wink. How convenient.
@magdaw3123
@magdaw3123 6 лет назад
JSR, love the video. I like your older videos with text inputs. Kind of makes them easier to follow. One question I have about the 4th crusade is: who is really at fault here? Was it the Venetians for having miscalculated the demand for their ships? Was it the French for not specifying how much they will finally need? Could Pope Innocent have done more to stop the madness (a bailout of somesort hehe)? Did I say one question? If Alexios wasn't ruler of Byzantium where did he get the money to bailout the Venetians? Did he not give any collateral? OK OK I'll stop now :) cheers!
@georgebird9867
@georgebird9867 11 лет назад
A bit hypocritical here my friend. The treasures of Byzantium stand in and outside of St. Marks in Venice as well as other Western European landmarks. It was the Westerners who when invited into the Byzantine Palace stole all of the silver cutlery after the consumed their grand meal. The Byzantines were excellent diplomats and knew the world was imperfect, so that is why they learnt to live with their neighbors - Arabs, Jews and Turks.
@gilgalbiblewheel6313
@gilgalbiblewheel6313 5 лет назад
Weren’t the Venetians vengeful after being kicked out of Constantinople by John Komnenos (I think)?
@SyedRizvi786110
@SyedRizvi786110 11 лет назад
I'm not trying to turn no one against no one, but merely stating facts and giving my opinion on the video. I thought that is what the comment box was for. Not to write your own thesis...but highlight your thoughts. Perhaps you need to go and do more research yourself....my friend.
@Bokababe
@Bokababe 12 лет назад
A facile explanation, that still resonates in today's politics. The very fact that the Crusaders felt a right to exploit the internal divisions in the Byzantine Empire (and indeed EVERY country has them) for money and put an already rejected ruler on the Byzantine throne, says much about the values of the Crusaders themselves. This was a crime of opportunity -- and the victimized Byzantines were not to blame.
@zhshsG7
@zhshsG7 7 лет назад
Hey, nice videos! I have a question, what happened after the 4th Crusade? I mean after dividing the lands they gained, and having secured the funds for the Venetians, why didn't the Crusaders proceed to attack Egypt?
@hijazlander
@hijazlander 7 лет назад
Because Egypt was too strong for the Crusaders.
@calebtimes453
@calebtimes453 7 лет назад
lazaros zissis Well if the byzantine empire had the crusaders backs they could of conquered Egypt together.
@hijazlander
@hijazlander 7 лет назад
In your dreams haha. The crusaders couldn't even take the whole of the Levant and you think they could take Egypt?
@yondie491
@yondie491 5 лет назад
It's almost like it was a BS excuse to sack Constantinople and start the Renaissance...
@JulianThePhilosopher
@JulianThePhilosopher 13 лет назад
@RealCrusadeHistory well, but it is the same for the islamic armies as well, they faced wars of succession. Then they got the mongols at their back. But i give crusaders credit in logistics, its a wonder how they managed to strech their supply lines. i think people wrongly blame the 4th crusade for the fall of constatinople later on. Cos the theodosian walls would not have been able to withstand the ottomans cannons anyway.
@cland31
@cland31 11 лет назад
You must have lived during the onset of the 13th century to be so certain
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
I think you merely need to understand that the Fourth Crusade is far more complicated than just saying that the Crusaders were evil and attacked Constantinople. There were a lot of factors contributing to what happened, including Byzantine politics.
@MsCrocodileTears
@MsCrocodileTears 12 лет назад
One thing that this video is not mentioning is that after Franks were not able to pay their debt to the Venetians, the later requested that the Crusaders destroy the competing ports in Adriatic. Dalmatian coastal cities were destroyed as a partial payment of debt to Venetians. It is also important to note that while the Pope and many, the religious leaders had the noble goal of defeating Islam, their soldiers were full greed, hatred and lust. They raped and murdered.
@Dark89Avenger
@Dark89Avenger 8 лет назад
If only they didn't start messing with the Balkans...
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@MingDynasty700 Not at all, just making sense of a complex issue.
@thomasjefferson7584
@thomasjefferson7584 6 лет назад
What a terrible tragedy
@marselluswallace6
@marselluswallace6 4 года назад
Great videos. Love your content. The only advice id give is to not breath into the microphone before you start every sentence.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 4 года назад
Thanks for the tip. This is a very old video though. I've since eliminated all breaths.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 11 лет назад
Walk where? They had no money, no food, no transportation. They had a giant army sitting right outside of Constantinople hemmed in by the sea and they had no way of going anywhere. They literally had no alternative but to capture the city.
@FreeMind5094
@FreeMind5094 5 лет назад
12,000 ,,, giant army? couldn't they ask for enough money to buy their way back home (or to Egypt if you like) in return for lifting the siege? couldn't they "confiscate" the Venetian ships to sail wherever they wanted? Why did they have to kill and rape civilians if all they wanted was funding??? I really admire your desperate and staunch defense of the Crusades in general ,,, but you can't claim to be objective at the same time. After all, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
You are incorrect and obviously biased.
@tommore3263
@tommore3263 9 лет назад
Thanks so much for these wonderful histories. It would be something, though not part of the secular agenda to restore the rightful reputations of truly heroic men and women and the immense sacrifices they made without which who would even be here to notice. Do we not owe these great unknown people our very lives and cultures? I am not speaking specifically of the fourth crusade and its unfortunate aspects but of the totality of our ancestor's response to Islamic aggression.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 9 лет назад
Tom More You're very welcome my friend.
@mz74smart
@mz74smart 12 лет назад
im doing a school project on this, anyone wanna explain to me further about the people who pursuaded the crusaders to go to Constantinople?
@IkarusZmedieval
@IkarusZmedieval 12 лет назад
"O City, City, eye of all cities, universal boast, supramundane wonder, nurse of churches, leader of the faith, guide of Orthodoxy, beloved topic of orations, the abode of every good thing! Oh City, that hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury! O City, consumed by fire..." Niketas Choniates laments the fall of Constantinople to the Crusaders
@filida
@filida 12 лет назад
I understand that very well, but this is just like blaming the woman for the rape, because she did not wear a burka. And if she wore a burka, blame her because she is the cause of all sin. Everyone should differentiate between motive (even Stalin had one) and justification.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 11 лет назад
Did you not watch the video? Your view has been refuted by current scholarship. There is no evidence that the Venetians intended to make the Crusade into a trade war, nor that there were any prior plans to attack Constantinople. All the evidence indicates that the Venetians sincerely wanted to conquer Egypt, both because of their vow to Crusade and their desire to expand their holdings into Egypt.
@Kaan109876543210
@Kaan109876543210 11 лет назад
hey im doing a report on the topic do you have any evidence to site this? sources would be great! :)
@SuperGreatSphinx
@SuperGreatSphinx 11 лет назад
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner...
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
@Pavlos952 Even if you're just talking about the sacking of cities far worse things happened in the medieval world. For example, the Turkish sack of the Armenian city of Ani in the 1060's was far more murderous and bloody than anything that happened during the Fourth Crusade. Also, the Turkish capture of Constantinople in 1453 was far worse than what happened in 1204.
@esrac856
@esrac856 4 года назад
Wow, so this is how you make some type of truce...
@APPHTON123PHTON
@APPHTON123PHTON 12 лет назад
Σχετικά με την εικονομαχία, η προσπάθεια του Λέοντα Γ' να περιορίσει την τεράστια δύναμη που είχαν αποκτήσει τα μοναστήρια ήταν κάτι σωστό. .Η απαγόρευση των εικόνων όμως ήταν ακρότητα κι αυτό ήταν που τρέλανε τον απλό κόσμο. Αν δεν το έκανε, ίσως η μεταρρυθμιστική του πολιτική να περνούσε. Εγώ βλέπω την επικράτηση των εικόνων σαν μια νίκη του "ελληνισμού" κατά κάποιον τρόπο! Ο Λέων προκειμένου να καταστείλει τις αποσχιστικές τάσεις πληθυσμών των ανατολικών περιοχών συντάχθηκε, Σύριος ο ίδιος,
@jamiemezs9891
@jamiemezs9891 6 лет назад
Why didn't the Byzantine pay off the venetians in the Italian's To go home
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 6 лет назад
That's a good question. I don't remember all the details of what happened when the Venetians first arrived, perhaps there was some attempt to negotiate something like that?
@jamiemezs9891
@jamiemezs9891 6 лет назад
Real Crusades History Or maybe they were just Cheapskates
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 6 лет назад
I know the empire's resources were very depleted at that point. There had been lengthy civil wars going on in Byzantium over the past couple of decades.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
Historians would describe your analysis as simplistic, heavily biased, and inaccurate.
@ellenclark7960
@ellenclark7960 10 лет назад
Thank you so much! This has cleared up a lot of things that my revision book has missed out. Gonna rock this Alevel! ;D
@Masterfootballer23
@Masterfootballer23 12 лет назад
That makes more sense thank you.
@Kaan109876543210
@Kaan109876543210 11 лет назад
No need to be defencive, i have no intention of attacking your view of history nor your credibility. from 5:52 to 6:04 you make the same statement however there is no source that specifically verifies that coups were not normal in the West but normal to the Greeks. I was hoping to find a source that could help me prove this. But none of the quotes do ( yes you referenced 2 scholars but i was looking more for a specific page in a book or at least a book, not just a name) :)
@ImperialGuard9001
@ImperialGuard9001 12 лет назад
Venetians were never to concerned with religious matter for what I can tell Venice always look for their own interesets they even when to the point of helping Ottomans agianst other Christians such as Albanians Hungarians Serbs Wallachians and others Christians. I always dislike Venice may they burn in what they done. A burguese capitalistic republic. Ironical Venice was created by Romans (byzantines).
@tsaltos84
@tsaltos84 9 лет назад
Some of this response is towards the other fourth crusaders videos made.
@filida
@filida 12 лет назад
So, I have to conclude that the crusaders were good, reasonable and holy people. They were victims of the cruel circumstances and of the cruel history that said nasty things about them. This reminds me so well of the peace bombs that the good and holy Americans offered recently as a gift and a democracy lesson to the Libyan people.
@RealCrusadesHistory
@RealCrusadesHistory 12 лет назад
The idea that the Fourth Crusade caused the fall of Constantinople is laughable nonsense. No historian takes such an idea seriously. The Fourth Crusade was a symptom of Byzantium's decline, not its cause. Byzantium had been in decline for a long time, mainly because the Byzantines could not stop fighting with each other over the capital long enough to defend their borders against Islam.
@a09tma
@a09tma 12 лет назад
Why should they have been interested in a Byzantine prince with they sought nothing in it for themselves?
@thruthebook
@thruthebook 10 лет назад
The Amalekite Khazars of Byzantium coaxed Alexios to call in the crusaders. The Khazars of Venice were working with the Khazars of Byzantium.
@aethelwulf8753
@aethelwulf8753 11 лет назад
And Rome's treatment of Carthage is very very high on the list.
@georgebird9867
@georgebird9867 11 лет назад
When the Crusaders invaded Constantinople it was the Byzantine Greeks who defended the Arabs from being slayed by the knights. Read a bit more to find these unknown facts in history. You won't find this information on the internet only in out of print books.
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