Why The Future Of The MCU Has Always Been Secret Wars 

i think the biggest problem with phase 4 are the tv series and how they affect the movies, though Thor 4 had its own problems of tone as well. Wanda relying on Wandavision for character building, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel and She-Hulk's only introduction being those tv series and characters that should have a separate movie like America Chavez being shoehorned in as plot device in Multiverse of Madness...

Nice to see more of Jonathan Hickman's work outside of just Secret Wars being more appreciated. A lot of people don't read the build-up for this, and man are they missing out on some stuff.

I like the idea of the secret wars movie being a reset. The one thing I wish they would do but I know they can't do it now. Is as we build up to a secret wars in our current mcu, it would have been cool if they had made another universe of films to build up so when universe collide fans can root for current mcu and the new one. It would have been cool if our current mcu continued through movies, and the other universe grows along the mcu. The other universe would take place on disney plus as shows so we can get to know new characters quicker in new ways not worry about continuity in the past. But I guess that why we have secret wars.

Yeah, but i felt like i prefer the infinity saga because it's like 11 years of hardwork and storytelling, which is a great way to go, i'm nervous about the multiverse saga however considering that the saga will be like 5 years approx if i'm not wrong? Hope considering the short run time of this saga, they'll do them justice, and make this saga watchable, and worth investing

For me Avengers Endgame felt like the true ending to the MCU. They ended on a high note even if it was flawed, but a satisfying conclusion nevertheless.

This was definitely all leading up to Secret Wars, but it'll be hard to top what happened in the first 3 Phases especially "Infinity War" and "Endgame." If the MCU ended with just those films being the end of it all, I'd be satisfied and that's why it seems as if Phase 4 hasn't been as great as the previous 3 phases.

It feels like the MCU is moving way too fast right now. Are they afraid they’re going to be forgotten or something?

I’m pretty sure Kang will remain the villain throughout the entire “Multiverse Saga” era of the MCU regardless of how “faithful” that is the comics. Marvel most likely set these plans in motion prior to the Fox buyout. We still haven’t gotten an MCU Fantastic Four movie yet, Reed Richards and Dr Doom could essentially be brand new characters by the time Secret Wars comes out

Man, I seriously love everything you put out. You make such high quality videos, brother. Keep it up!

If Marvel Brings back Thanos to get one shot owned by DOOM I can die happy.

I think one of the biggest problems with the more recent movies is that they devalue previous movies

wow, i really underestimated how little i know about marvel comics; knowing the context of this makes the direction the movies are taking make a lot more sense!

It's honestly just become like "homework" or a chore you have to do. That's one of the reasons I fell off of comics. You had to keep up with everything to enjoy the "New Event/Crisis". We got 18 films in 10 years, leading up to Infinity War. So far, We've got 13 projects in literally just the past year & a half. Not gonna speak for everyone but It just started to feel tiring to me.

I really have been enjoying your videos about the new MCU movies and this new phase because I’ve been frustrated trying to understand or figure out where this is all going. For me, for awhile it just felt like they were throwing out shows and movies to keep people interested but the quality just isn’t there. Understanding a little bit better as to where this is all leading up to gives me a bit of hope. Not saying that all of it’s been great but it’s nice to have a clearer picture

I really hope they don’t mess up secret wars they were some of my favourite comics.

A story about Marvel's first hero, and first villain, Doom and that damn Richards, respetively.

Secret Wars will be actually be incredibly amazing or incredibly mediocre, with no in-between.

I hope everything is true honestly, great video.

I don’t think I ever had any question that they’d do multiverse/Secret Wars stuff eventually. I think anyone who knows anything about the big comic events (which are literally all I know about comics) knew it was in the pipeline eventually. But for me the struggle is aside from “multiverses exist, and sometimes they break,” I don’t think there’s been a clear plot thread the way there was with the infinity stones. I mean, the avengers were hinted at almost instantly and by Captain America’s first movie we had the tesseract and explicit hints of it being connected to a bigger thing. Nowadays we get some lady in purple jumping out of nowhere in the post credits of Dr Strange 2 and being like “wanna go?” And without any explanation of who she is or why he’d trust her they’re off. So basically, all this to say, we all knew it was going to happen but the problem is almost nobody knows how it’s going to get there.

I have said this once and I'll say it again. Avengers: Kang Dynasty has to be 3hrs long, while Avengers: Secret Wars has to be 4hrs long.

"Unlike every other tale in the Mighty Marvel Manner, our heroes... lose." "The Dark Phoenix Saga", "The Korvac Saga", "Days of Future Past", and "Mutant Massacre" all have the heroes losing.

7:48... wow... I teared when I saw Stan Lee there with all of them together

They're gonna need to be doing a lot of work because the last few items have been very lackluster. I personally put a lot of eggs in Thor's basket and it was a failure in my opinion. I don't know if I care enough to come back. I gladly gave them 10 years from Iron Man to Endgame and they delivered there.

Thank you for some background on Secret Wars! I didn't really know much of anything about it before this. Thanks for another interesting video! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)

I love how we got an announcement of ONE Fantastic Four film and despite literally everything building up to Kang as the big bad of this phase, and Kevin Feige saying that explicitly, people STILL think Doom is the villain of Secret Wars because of one comic book series. EYE ROLL. Marvel loosely adapts their comic series, remember that!

i came into comics at the end of secret wars 1 and comics fan until 92 or so but we had many shops back then. I had purchased a lot of the secret wars comics to play catch up. So big fan of Sercet Wars, Inferno, Alantis Rises, Uncanny Xmen so any good things.

I hope the future content picks up. Would love if these turn out great

Secret Wars could be like a testing ground for Marvel. Think about it, it's a multiversal war. They could now officially cast everyone or anyone in Hollywood to play a marvel character and see if people like it. Also, they could now bring back past actors, even back to the 60s to play their original characters.

We need an update of this video after Secret Invasion end!

doom killing thanos HAS to be the most epic scene in comic book films

Didn't yall talk shit that phase 4 has no direction a few weeks ago?

How do you top this story in another phase?

They should've just made like this - *Movies :* Shang - Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings No Way Home Thor 4 Black Panther & climaxing with Doctor Strange 2 (just make it more of things are changing type of movie, rather than a middling one) *Series* WandaVision Loki MoonKnight and yes just 3 of those and *What If* *I am Groot* are just fun, no harm for Continuity things... so these 2 can exist Scrap all of others.

this is an excellent morning show

I disagree that Doom has to take the main role- seems pretty obvious to me that Kang or Immortus (probably the latter) will take that role, and Wanda will take the Molecule Man one. The reason the comics stories work is because we have years of buildup from Hickman, not to mention the 50+ years of Marvel, while there's zero for Doom in the MCU, and they won't have time to build Reed too.

Just want to note your description is wrong - Phase 3 is what ended, and Phase 4 is almost complete.

I look forward to watching the story play out...

Groovy

It would be absolutely wild if they bring back all the protagonists of all Marvel movies, even those predating the MCU for the Secret Wars movie. We'd have (at least) three different sets of Fantastic 4 (who are going to end up being the most important part of this storyline)

7:50-The picture is awesomely splendid of the future Phases 5 to 6. Imagine Miles Morales getting along with Peter Parker Spider in his Spidey costume. That will be very, very, very outstanding!🤨

While i am excited for secret wars i feel like the fantastic four and doom shouldve been introduced now so there can be more time for them to develop. Unless mcu completely changes the story which im sure it will

If anybody else listened to this with headphones I can't be the only one to notice how crisp the mix is on his narration

Can you make a video on Nathan Fielders The Rehearsal

I'm excited for it but I feel they've already missed too many chances to hit the multiverse out of the park

The thing that made Secret Wars (2015) so special was the YEARS of set up it had through multiple titles and runs from Jonathan Hickman. Fantastic Four, Avengers, New Avengers, etc. It was a story built through so many other stories in the background until it finally came to the forefront. I find the MCU trying to build up to that level of event in two phases rushed. It feels like they’re sprinting through the finish line for the quickest cash grab and not taking the time and care to set this story up as the biggest cinematic event of all time like infinity war and endgame were. On top of that I’m extremely worried it will just become a shallow, cameo filled, “avengers” movie. My issue with this being an Avengers movie is that Secret Wars is NOT a Avengers story and it’s not filled with cameos from other timelines. The actual main cast of the story wasn’t that big and the main characters were Reed and Doom. It’s a love letter to a decades long relationship between these two characters. Having that history between the two is what makes the story incredible. You need to have that build up but the MCU is introducing Doom and the four in the same phase as secret wars which makes me think this will be a rush job and following the recent MCU trend of quantity over quality. Secret wars shouldn’t happen until we’ve had time to properly set up all of those necessary components for a compelling story.

Black panther should be the next piece. Doom could very well be the antagonist or a credit teaser

Can't wait to see dr doom ❤️❤️

im good thanks

Squirrel girl could help revitalize the MCU...

Excelsior

That Fall 2024 spot we now know is Sept for Deadpool 3 with Jackman returning as Wolverine. That movie then Fantastic 4 two months later. Then 1 year later is Secret Wars. Marvel will be killing it from Sept 2024 to Nov 2025.

I think they will introduce mutant and X-Men after Secret Wars, because when the timeline is reset, it will seem like mutants are always there

man i really hope they recreate that panel of Doom ripping out Thanos’ spine

The way they could set up DOOM to make him be feared. Is in secret wars show God DOOM step up to a variant of Thanos and just Rip his spine and skull out. It'll show how much of a threat he is. That's why Kane has failed. We don't know how powerful he is. Show us the power of DOOM

The only reason I'm still investigating any time into the MCU is because of this. I know it will all be worth it at the end of Phase 6.

they should have the poster tagline be "Everything dies." for Kang Dynasty and "Everything lives." for Secret Wars

They’re gonna fuck it up so bad 😢

New girl is a great show. Watch it again and think of how those characters relate to yourself and your loved one. A great underrated show that revolves around respect and empathy.

Hopefully mcu secret wars is just the start of Dr Dooms story. I think Dr doom deserves to be THE main villain of marvel.

I hope Disney doesn't go bankrupt first

Yeah as soon as Secret Wars was announced I'm pretty sure a lot of us know Dr. Doom is the new big bad and Kang is just a placeholder for ppl who possibly don't read the comics or just don't know

At this point i'd be more interested in a legion of superheroes movie with the fatal five!

Cant help but think Secret Wars will bring in fox xmen, Toby & andrew again, mid 2000s FF, nick cage as ghost rider, ben Affleck as daredevil, eric bana and/or ed norton as hulk, the netflix shows, tom janes punisher etc. Trim all those timeline branches, while introducing the new FF, x men, and avengers going forward, where marvel has total control of one timeline

Reed Richards is Monkey D. Luffy

The Secret Wars that introduced the Sinister clones with the goofier personality? Yes please.

I really dont know where the MCU goes after Secret Wars but Im signed on until then.

thats very optimistic of you.. all things considered

It's probably literally to bring in the X-men to the universe without having to explain where they've been all these years, whilst bringing in any loose canon properties into the main canon like AOS. I do think Phase 7 will be a complete jumping on point. Phase 4 was supposed to be that, but it still has connections to Phases 1-3.

Honestly, I think they’ll put in the Fox’s unvierse for a real X-men vs the Avengers movie

then Everything ends 🔥

I think Secret Wars maybe what they use to fuse the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU as one shared world.

I think Secret Wars should be a 2 parter in order to tell the story well.

People are hating on MCU right now but I'm old enough to remember watching Iron Man change the game. Then Iron Man 1&2 came out to mixed reviews, and so too was Captain America and Thor met with the same reception. Even civil war was met with mixed reviews. End Game happens and MCU changes the game again. I'm not saying it's a certainty they pull it off a third time. But they've got the track record to support an idea like that.

it would be cool if the Multiverse Saga is about building up the Battleworld, and then the last saga would end it all.

People are always so critical and I’m not gonna say there hasn’t been some serious missteps. That being said, I’m almost 35…so having spent most of my life without comic book movies on this scale and a somewhat cohesive cinematic universe is more than I ever could have hoped for. I didn’t read every comic but I loved the world and mostly knew the lore. I’m their ideal audience I guess. Just knowledgeable to appreciate it

Secret Wars is still the biggest Marvel event

Another 30 marvel films in the making😌

It just astonishes me how someone can still be excited to see another marvel movie. Great video, as always!

I wonder what will happen after the multiverse saga.

Dr doom is definitely underrated

I wonder if they will lose against Doom,and the MCU gets rebooted and we get movies via the perspective of battle word residents

I think Marvel saw what Phase 4 ended up being and decided that this was the way to go. For the people that feel like Marvel movies aren’t really that good anymore, you’ll prolly have to wait until Phase 7 for the best of Marvel. I think Madame Web and Beyond the Spider-Verse will connect to this. The live action version of Peter B. Parker with end up being the “Totem Spider” and the universe will reset with him and a live action Miles. It’d be interesting to see Spider-Gwen in their universe too.

Well of course. There are no other massive story lines that the MCU can handle

My only fear is that Doom is going to be introduced too late into the universe. The Fantastic 4 Film (which is where I assume Doom's intro would be) is in 2024, and within 1-2 years needs to become the big bad of the multiverse.

I just want Infamous Iron Man

Secret Wars alone would need to be a trilogy. The FF need a trilogy + another handful of individual appearances in other properties prior to this event. Doom deserves his own (origin) movie, a co-lead in Strange 3 (retrieving his mom's soul from hell), opposing the Avengers in one film and throwing Wakanda into disarray in BP2+3. What we're getting instead is one Doom tease in BP2 and one FF outing. Marvel has given up at this point. They should close up shop asap.

I think it would’ve been a good idea for Marvel to keep the Fox X-Men universe going with new projects, that way the X-Men universe could inevitably play the same role that the Ultimate Universe plays in Secret Wars.

I believe that dr doom is gonna be in the new fantastic four movie

They need to make an Avengers (MCU) vs X-Men (FOX) multiversal incursion movie

What I don’t understand is that the Fantastic 4 movie doesn’t come out until after Secret Wars, so are they even going to be involved in the movie before their standalone comes out?

I love the MCU, for the most part. But I just don't see them getting secret wars right without more build up for Reed and Victor.

I honestly hope that 7:39 does not happen because it would likely take away a huge chunk of the emotional impact from avengers endgame along with a strong sense of realism in the MCU

So far, aren't XMen (and mutants overall) excluded from MCU? Could that mean, that after Secret Wars we could FINALLY get some focus on mutants? I swear lack of them hurts some stories. Like lack of Fantastic Four hurt the possible impact of Civil War. And retelling of Apocalypse Saga or Dark Phoenix Saga could be done way better than Fox did due to inclusion of non-mutant characters since those were global events, no reason why others shouldn't help/get caught in it. Similar stuff with possible Galactus story in the future.

I think Kang could easily take Doctor Dooms place. When people say something "can't happen" what they truly mean is they don't want it to happen. I also think it's highly unlikely Doom will be the main bad guy as he's only possibly going to be introduced in that phase itself. And thats if Kevin Feige puts him in the first FF movie which I highly doubt as he's gone on record saying he prefers to use villains who haven't been in the movies yet for the most part. (Yes I know that No Way Home is an exception)

Secret Wars will act as a soft reboot of the MCU & will bring the X-Men characters from fox studios movies into the main universe. This way audience won't ask "Where the hell were the mutants all this time". Atleast that's what I think.

Few things I want to say. I see alot of comments about; "superhero fatigue". Wishing they would have ended at Endgame. 1. That may be the case for you. And that's fine. Stop watching then. No harm no foul. 2. People are aging into the MCU. Who may of been to young during phases 1-3. Or just didn't care at the time. And are just now getting into it. So, for alot of people the fatigue hasn't set in. Because it's new to them. Newer characters being introduced now are bringing new people into the MCU. 3. And people like me who just aren't tired of them yet.

Should’t someone tell them?

Has anyone noticed the special effects have gotten a lot worse in phase 4

We can only hope marvel will do secret wars...as well as in the 90s Spider-Man series..Somewhat.

Just waiting for the spiderman films that's it. Nothing else in marvels line up interests me