That was one of my favorite parts about early warhammer. The lore was like reading through the pieced together records of an archivist who had very little to go on mixed with oral traditions and the occasional techno-record. No full picture. Too much has been lost to never be regained
I think that's the reason why this franchise has made it so long. So many mysteries. Fans don't need every little thing explained. It ruins franchises when they start doing it. The more that is left to debate or speculation, the better.
Makes you think the 2nd did something either worse enough to not let the primarchs know everything. Or the 11th did shit so wrong. It just outshines the 2nd
Could be that the 2nd got a nasty and agonizing death like the 11th? If we take the Rangdan Xenocides into the responsibility of their disappearances (and have the idea that the Rangda are an eldritch / warp thought form virus, eldritch abominations and what not) then MAYBE the 11th was rescused by Big E, but was in a vegitative state while the 2nd was brutally resisting Rangda control.
I was thinking that both primarchs had agonizing and brutal deaths if we take the idea that the Rangda Xenocide was responsible. For the 2nd, he was probably resisting the horrifying control of the Rangda while trying to give Lion and Leman the chance to stop him (Who, I have a feeling would be an eldritch race, probably a star spawn plague or a massive, eldritch hivemind) while the 11th was being tortured to the point that he was in a vegitative state, being rescued by Big E from either the Slaught or the Rangda.
So like 11 chapters defected to follow a “primarch”. Then I like five chapters including the space sharks, flesh eaters, red talons, charnel guard, and the death eagles killed every one. They called the five chapters the pentarchy of blood. Blood angels had something similar but they took care of it.
@@drachir7146I wouldn’t even think vampires apply to whatever is in the Ghoul Stars. Probably something akin to an eldritch abomination considering that *11 chapters* were wiped out, Chaos could do it at the cost of their valuable forces but the things in the Ghoul Stars did it with no issue whatsoever.
After reading the paragraph at 2:30, I find that it feels like a Dungeon Master improvising an answer to a question they didn’t expect. Quite a few hooks / possible plot threads, but all left open-ended
I tend to prefer to keep the mysteries of 40k mysterious. I like the idea that little lore snippets such as The Howling, The Harrowing, and The Pale Wasting have nothing to do known alien threats or Chaos. They are their own thing, and thus are more evidence of how dangerous the 40k galaxy is. The Galaxy is vast and mankind controls just a few islands of safety compared to its immensity. Even without the known threats humanity would still be beset by alien horrors which could strike without warning from wilderness space.
This and umbrals are some of a few things I'd like for them to keep unknown. Anything that can control the darkness in THE PUPILS OF MY OWN EYES. Is something that I don't think anyone in the imperium needs to know about.
@Mr. Bones, i'll let you in on a secrete. We enjoy your vibes and your character in your approach to your videos. Just keep making them and we will come
Please talk about the fall of Necromunda Hive Secondus, there is an interesting perspective to how a GSC uprising was put down on a planet where people continued to live with it not really spreading. I am not personally familiar of another time in 40k history of that happening.
I always liked this weird parts of lore, and i think that it should be expanded, most of the 10,000 years of decadence events should be expanded, things like the howling, the abyssal crusade, the pale wasting, the ghoul stars crusade, the war of the false primarch and the harrowing xenos of the Echoing vault. The potential of this lore is gigantic and it shouldn't be wasted to be only a mention in a random lore text. Good video mr bones.
I feel like the greatest amount of vagueness comes from anything to do with minor xenos visual designs. Most that have actual artwork are either mindless beasts, or come from some rpg. Xenos show up so much in the lore, but GW just has this weird stigma about giving the intelligent xenos artwork. A great example would be Liber Xenologis, which, while a good book, you can tell the writers were a bit limited in what they could say and show in each entry. The felinid entry (I know, not a xenos, but they're in the book, shut up) is literally just the narrator getting gaslit into thinking that they're monstrous looking, despite that being highly unlikely. I'm assuming it's either one big case of "we'll save that for later," or "we don't want to create too much artwork for fear we might not get to copyright the design."
I like to think that maybe the cacodominus is the equivalent of a navigator for a xeno race, or a super-abhuman, possibly even a hybrid of an alien and human psyker
I mean a lot of 40k's lore is a lot less severe than it sounds (and also 40k makes utterly nonsensical if you think about it too hard, so don't) when you take into account how many stars and star systems are in the Milky Way, it's estimated at anywhere from 1-400 billion. I mean we gotta take that number down a lot to account for stars that ain't got planets, but even when we do (if we're using sci-fi suspension of disbelief to just say most of those planets are habitable), controlling a thousand star systems ain't shit. Those are rookie numbers. Those are cliffnote you-only-get-a-paragraph-of-lore level numbers, the problem is GW usually massively undersells the numbers for actual major events. Also i really like your theory, i think it's totally solid. Headcanoned. Now do The Harrowing pls so people will get the titles confused and because The Harrowing is my favorite niche paragraph of fluff ever
I'm reminded of that Seinfeld episode where George casually lies about having a beach house out in the Hamptons in front of his dead fiancée's parents, who say they'd love to see it. George says anytime, they suggest, what about right now? He then drives them for hours out to Montauk, the very end of Long Island, continually saying his house is just up ahead, and the parents calmy saying, great. They end up parking at the end of the road and walking through sand dunes, George still talking about his house. When they reach the ocean, George breaks down and admits he doesn't have a house, and the parents calmly say, yeah, we know. So, GW is George and we're all the parents who suffered a great loss, possibly due to George/GW being cheap and prone to lies, and now we're just standing in front of an ocean of empty promises, while George/GW sobs and says he made it all up. That's what I think about in regards to a lot of GW's stories. Thank you for staying with me during this comment.
In the beast arises series, the templars are portrayed as already having no psykers. They are also shown to be resistant to warp powers, capable of nullifying them in certain situations. This would now make more sense that they were able to overcome a being of immense psychic power.
Moirae schism. In short: techpriests think "Hey! Echlessiarchy worship Emperor and Mechanicus worship Omnissiah, who is the Emperor. Why not combine the two religions into one?" Cue billions dead and the creation of the Sons of Medusa chapter. They also accurately predicted the fall of Cadia and the creation of the Great Rift 5000 years before it happened.
I think these untold stories do more than just let the reader imagine what happened they also create a writing prompt for fans to write their own lore, model unique miniatures, create cool art and play exciting campaigns. You needn't look further than some of the amazing fan made lost legions and their primarchs for examples. But i think for me my favourite is a fan lore and collaborative modeling project called + Some Things Are Best Left Forgotten + that creates they unkown chapters of the War of the False Primarch.
I need, I NEED to know more about the Halo Stars. GW please explain about the horrors of the edge of the galaxy that scares away daemons and Tyranids. No warp shenanigans, but something worse.
For a fear-phobic legion like the Black Templars, "We shant give a situation a chance to take hold of our brothers again, we must remove Psychers from our ranks!" translates to: "FUCK THESE WARP-TAINTED WRETCHES FOR BEING A LIABILITY TO OUR STOCK!" fairly easily.
I don't think new Black Templars lore has to replace the old lore, they're not mutually exclusive. -All Black Templars psykers die -ZenoPhobic inter-chapter politics leads to no replacement psykers
But why’s it called, “The Howling!?” Was it a body snatcher thing? Did the people controlled howl a bunch? And the Deep Warp. There’s a topic that needs covering.
Honestly, it might be a hot take, but while crashes can be frustrating, but I don't necessarily just play for the grind rewards. I have been hooked on the steady stream of changes and new weapons and updates to the war effort. I watch new videos on this every single day. I feel involved, I feel relaxed. I'm having fun and made so many friends. Even destiny in its peak days had me popping in playing the new dlc for a couple of weeks, then disappearing again for 9 months and longer. I have played everyday since I got the game. My second day with the game was when the creek fell and I was hooked right then. Yes they absolutely need to keep working on bugs but their already doing a great job. Idk maybe I'm old-school enough to remember the magic of bugs and sometimes their awful sure but others are hilarious. I love everything they're doing and hope the community doesn't wish for something it doesn't really want. It seems to me that the players complaining give me COD sweats and fortnite fodder vibes.
An interesting thing is that it doesn’t say “skull of a cacodominus” it says “skull of THE cacodominus”, which implies there is only one (like a lord). Coupled with the third eye, what if the cacodominus was some chaos rogue navigator who went super powerful and mind controlled people, and horrified the black Templars so much that psykers could turn like this so they cut all psykers from their ranks
My Take is, that the Cacodominus was a „failed“ or abandoned last ditch project of the Old Ones, that after the war in Heaven was frogotten by Time and was just a Prototype.
This "hollow lore" is very tempting to imagine, such as the origins of the two lost Primarchs. You can get a burning desire to know the truth. Then comes the frustration of knowing that it's not hidden lore. There just *is no lore* !
I’m sort of hoping the Reign of Blood will be the next historical event that gets a proper look at. A second imperial civil war that has lots of fun characters.
I would love it if GW ever expanded on the howling, but whatever the pale wasting was has always interested me. That and what happened to the thunder warriors after the battle of mount arrorat.
Personally, i feel the cacodominus was some form of scout tyranid. Simply due to the fact that it took over planets in a similar way to genestealers do, but when concentrated in an area they use they combine their psychic power to reach the hive fleets in other galaxies as a signal of yes there is biomass here. Again could be wrong but gw rarely gives straight answers
The Rangdan xenocides won't ever be expanded on apart from the odd reference. Why? Because of the missing legions. They'd have to be named and expanded on to the same extent of the other legions. Overly Sarcastic Productions recently made a video about it called the Noodle Incidents. The reference will invoke the imagination to produce something much better than any explanation. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-06BUGWthQ70.html
What if they tell a story from the pov of a researcher exploring ruins and records, piecing together what ACTUALLY happened using plot holes and discrepancies found between archeological finds and logs. Not enough to ruin people's OC legions and primarchs, but enough to get a vague idea on some of the canon events. Like "We don't know what happened in detail, but THAT wasn't it, and SOMETHING horrible happened, this horrifying thing being likely, but almost impossible given this evidence."
Then there’s more stuff that has a ton of significant lore but barely exists, like the Hrud and their entire backlog of lore, cause it’s really important and they keep showing up but don’t do much, but I would love a video covering them
I don't know if there's even enough information on this guy to make a video on him, but I'd like to know more about The Angel. All I know is that he was essentially a prototype primarch created by The Emperor during the Unification Wars specifically to combat chaos corruption on Terra. Apparently he went nuts and started doing stuff like killing entire cities and proclaiming himself a god, so Big E put him in a box.
Going by wiki page length, the Nova Terra Interregnum where the entirety of Segmentum Pacificus seceded from the Imperium might be a good one to look at too
6:09 I love the idea that this led to the removal of psykers in BT and that this early fight against the Cachodominous is part of the reason why BT are super anti-Xenos
