Why the Internet Is Running Out of Electricity 

american urban planning moment

@@circleinforthecube5170not much grass in Prague 1 either

As long as you're outside their property line there's nothing they can legally do

@@SAMPLETEXT285 doesnt matter they control the laws. thell just legally illegally arrest you and claim you had intent and good luck fighting their lawyers.

@@zerotheliger wouldn't need to fight it the case (if there even would be one) would immediately get thrown out and charges dropped by any judge even the ones who lack common sense. And besides a security guard doesn't have the authority to conduct any arrest

The answer is always nuclear energy.

Doesn't have to be. California is ahead of schedule transitioning to Green without any nuclear except for the delayed shutdown of El Diablo.

@@abhishuoza9992incorrect. The real answer if you actually know grid economics and aren’t just a fanboy is you build stuff where it is geographically the most suitable and thus the generation cost is the cheapest.

No. Storage and solar are so cheap now that in the US, nuclear doesn't make economical sense at all.

@@chop098 the nuclear fanbois will ignore this despite the IEA and even the damn World Nuclear Association saying the dodgy economics in an high interest environment

That’s wild

It's because you delete things it doesn't.

That data is profitable they can sell that data

Actually it’s more like 450GB And that’s for starter. That’s the amount of data they have on someone who just turned eighteen years of age. It only gets added to from there

Im also in the EU, how do you request it?

This is all true.

Do you have any recommendations for noise cancelling headphones? I have a friend that works at one and they just lost their headphones.

Can further confirm this statement, and add people forgetting to scan badges and setting off alarms

screaming fans, hot and cold and super dry air to dry your eyes and skin out, hearing stuffed from the noise, not realising youre ever sweating because the air is so dry you always leave extremely dehydrated. not fit for human life is what i tell people lol

@@friendly0 Neither is the data that enables living in a virtual world.

There's a is lot more to it than that. Sure, companies are storing data on you, but they also need to maintain their own data. Where did you think all those games you download come from?

@@nathanahubbard1975 From a russian man connected to a peer-to-peer network. Well, sometimes they're vietnamese.

but also running the internet

It takes no energy to store data, it takes tremendous energy for large data model AIs to pour over the data over and over again to make predictions. So you're right, this is not the price of the old gangly internet, but this new ravenous intenet full of AIs predictively creating everything is a horrifying new beast to feed.

@@koboldsage9112 It takes energy to store data. Nobody has a tape library anymore.

lol NA-East-1 at my job

Wow you are so cool

@@sanador2826I hope you find a way to be happy.

​@@sanador2826I'm not religious but I still feel compelled to pray for you

the data centers are so bad i hate them one of my classes are literally right next to a datacenter

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As someone who has worked in a datacenter, depending on the type of clients IE if the yare co-locating from 1000 miles away etc. Sometimes the only employees in the facility aren't even the companies own. I worked in a big datacenter here in Houston, not as an employee of the datacenter, but as an employee of a company that co-located and was also based in Houston. I worked 3p to 12a, multiple companies had leased office space in the building I was in, however after about 5pm aside from security and a janitor on occasion, I was the only person in the facility until midnight.

yeah, honestly just google some pictures inside a data center, then imagine multiple Costcos of that over and over all hooked together with a bunch of electric infrastructure, and a handful of offices.

As someone who has never seen a large data center, and has no family members working in it, thank you for this obvious information revelation of server racks and large spaces with small staff, and nothing to really see, and how marketing and public affairs and media relations would be the one to give a tour. 👍 it was very very eye opening.

@@michaell1603 I can send you some pictures from the cages I worked in. But that’s about all I can show you. On one side of us was a cray supercomputer and in the other side was a cage full of Netflix servers

wait wait wait hold on one second if the internet is running out of electricity what does that mean for the future of ev's?🤔

Please elaborate on the last point. And thank you for the information.

@@raven4k998 The Powers that Be never cared about EVs, not for use by average people anyway. If you are mobile, you're much, much harder to control. And whether your mobility comes from gas or electricity doesn't change the equation.

@@tdexter4959 meh just harness the power of farts they are flammable you can use them to run a generator to power those data centers and save the environment at the same time🤣🤣

Data centers aren't being good neighbors if they demand so much power that electrical rates go up for everyone. And as he notes in this video, they provide very few stable jobs for the amount of power they consume.

Excellent and highly understated point. All this extra electricity and resource demand is for nothing useful to the public. It's for mega conglomerates to harvest our digital footprints to sell to anyone buying.

Yea, sure, thats why tiktok has such shitty quality, because users dont generate a lot.

@@crytocc excellent and understated point. I'd expand but it gets auto deleted cause corporate censorship

Can you provide sources? I find hard to believe the amount of data users generate is not impactful at all, for example RU-vid there is more and more video content generated here and most of that content is never watched. About generative AI I agree, but I still see generative AI as an R&D project a lot of money is being throw because the potential but we don't know the endgame, some says is AGI.

I will say wrt the AI stuff, in regards to AI art (Which is... controversial amongst artists, but which I think can harmoniously be integrated into existing indie artistic ecosystems) the normies like it a lot in a way I'd say makes it probably the most likely to survive the inevitable AI crash. And the reason why I bring it up is, of all the AI stuff I've seen and from what I've seen of the data, due to the nature of diffusion models, it's probably the least power-intensive despite being the one people use the most. Like, you can legit run Stable Diffusion on a higher-end normie-accessible gaming PC with the right chips, a basic gen is actually relatively low-energy to use, and IDK I just think it's interesting that the most normie-popular use of AI is one of the less energy-intensive compared to; say; ChatGPT or Google's Cuil-But-More-Expensive shenanigans that're driving this gargantuan power sink.

Exactly.

Make that two thirds.

Governments should put regulations in place but we all know that companies will just lobby for the responsibility and consequences to go towards the regular people instead. That’s what happened with recycling.

But it's all monetized.

Garbage data, 90% of it. We aren't leaving behind hieroglyphs for the next Civilization to dexifwr, we are creating a delectable society

You don't see the flaw in your premise? ...like size and population...

@@er...no? That’s how % works. It’s not like each country has a static demand for cloud storage.

@@zoetje9817 the percentage they refer to would be relative to energy needed vis-a-vis population size. Think about it.

@@er... Yes, smaller populations generally consume less energy. Partially because they also don’t need as many data centres to store that funny cat GIFs.

@@zoetje9817 Yes, but in reference to data storage specifically, the original post claims 21% for the smaller population. The amount of energy relative to population size is more, but the actual overall energy is less, so comparing the two figures is asinine.

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that is true, I live behind he crome tab

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something about what you wrote does not make sense, is the enemy in you computer or is it online.

@@tonnypedersen5915 he has a jinn living in his device from an electronically activated gold sigil which allows the spirit to harvest his energy from the computers light it just has to shine on his face and it also secretly activates the camera to watch him.

There are more being built in other spots in Virginia. AWS is building another one south of there in another county bordering Fredericksburg, VA.

The NSA doesn’t have nearly much data as the tech giants. No reason to do so

​@m1dos391 No, NSA's data center is massive, but it is located in Utah. You can google "NSA Data Center". NSA was ahead of the game. They created their own Google and AI years ago. Their Google and AI is for searching through all user data every done on the Internet and on phones. It's called XKeyscore and is what Snowden had revealed. This was made in response of 9/11. Once again, 9/11 changed everything

@@m1dos391you’ve missed the point being made here. The NSA has a direct connection to all of these data centers, and the close proximity allows them a quick response to a potential attack. The other locations of data centers are duplicates of these main data centers. It’s almost guarantee the cutting edge of processing data is down in VA, not across the country, those locations are secondary to the primary.

Most Gov agencies are close to DC for efficiency. Gov needs their own isolated data centers, so it would make sense to build them in proximity. But the main reason is that Virginia is also a major tech and internet hub and competent workforce is available. There's also little natural disaster risk + cheap energy and land, so there's a lot of pragmatic reasons why you'd pick that spot apart from the conspiracy ones

and who is going to pay for then solar Panels that fail on very cold winter days

@@dknowles60 we're not going to have to worry about seeing snow anymore in a few years thanks to people with this line of thought

@@TheodoreChin-ih7xz nice lie its the snow and very cold that has been Causing The TVA Problems

So why don't the centers have panels?

@@Pernection they dont work on very cold winter Days, Just Ask the TVA, jan 14th 2024, the TVA has Solar contracts by others for 2000 megawatts, the TVA only received only 50 Megawatts. that is a 97% failure Rate, Source EIA webb site and TVA webb site

Well, look how much data are in youtube videos. Where do you think this video and every other video is stored at?

An emp would go crazy

So you're saying I have an easy way to delete all the information that these companies are collecting on me

​@kv4648 backups everywhere. Multiple data centers run in parallel for lower latency. So depending on area you may be getting data from a data center in Colorado, while the data you send goes to VA, Co, ca, and various other places. Then there's backups as in hdd storage offsite. If something goes wrong they need a backup. Then each data center will have raid arrays for data integrity. So there will be multiple live centers with the same data, each center with have multiple raid arrays, and each data center will have offsite backups.

@@brettfoster6453 noooooooooooooooo. I've been out-zucked

Why are there so many data centres in VA?

Cloud is just a term meaning 'someone else's server'

There is no cloud, it's someone elses computer

Always has been😊

@@squibbelsmcjohnson this works if your a bootstrap puller from Texas but if you’re working with real, meaningful data - you’ll make the taxpayers go broke by using hard storage

erm that's how basically the cloud works, where do you think the data is stored?

What have they done to harm the ecosystem

@@PeterS3316big concrete things everywhere come here and drive around you will see all the concrete

@@abatalldetours , air pollution , doesnt really benefit the community

@@abatall I live near Loudoun I know what they look like. Concrete isn’t bad for the environment 😭

@@mudPuddlePanda what exactly do they pollute the air with?

Can Dan Toomey make it from NYC to Virginia?

Mind the apostrophe in your first sentence. Interesting to know that the jobs haven't already been totally automated. It seems that the tech community are eager to put themselves out of a job in exchange for a temporary paycheque.

@@SanchoPanza-wg5xf its a highly physical job, you cant automate Datacenter technicians out of the picture. Youll have an easier time automating construction work.

My guess is, most of those are carrier hotel or carrier neutral co-location datacenters, because that's where the different companies and other organizations connect with each other.

@@TheodoreChin-ih7xz I won't argue with you. The fact that an enormous multi-million dollar facility runs with a handful of security staff and technicians is the point I was making.

Some of our data centers look like houses due to zoning laws.

the Uk never produce much electricity the Uk only produce 54k megawatts, Texas produces over 84k megawatts

We are not having brownouts

@@dknowles60 Texas has 30m population, the UK has 67m. Where the hell is the power going in Texas?

@@Kaboomnz that is because the Uk dont do much of any thing, Texas does a lot and has a lot of heat pumps, heat pumps use a lot of electricity when you drop to 20 drg f

and how exactly do you think that would be a bad thing?

Same thing here in western Loudoun. Recently they proposed to run massive power pylons through the historic town of Waterford, which would essentially nullify the years of extensive historic preservation efforts. Sad tbh

There's tons of DCs along the Columbia in Dalles, Herndon, Umatilla, Boardman.

I saw that ppl still use magnetic tape for archival purposes

​​@@anguswetttapes are the cheapest storage media for very large amount of storage, although with significantly slower sequential speeds and no random read/write, so archival is pretty much the only thing they're good for

​@@markusTegelane Data centers still use tape drives because tape drives have the longest shelf life for data of any media--especially for the cost. so: It's not the cost nor speed that are the prime consideration: it's the longevity.

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Knocking the wrong cable might cost you your job,. That's a better way to put it. Here's hoping you improve your station in life.

"Used to" I'm sorry to hear you bumped a cable.

yeah, it's better to strike a chord and join a band...

@@yoplait3256 lmao yeah I wish that would've been more exciting of a way to leave

Are they really noisy? If so, how loud? Did you have to wear ear protection?

And a lot of cold air at times too.

Will need less cooling too. My home server room is just passively cooled. I have central air for the summer months so that helps, but no dedicated AC for that room. A well planned out data centre here would only really need active cooling in the summer months. The slight extra latency is a small compromise. I guess one issue here is our internet is not that great. Not many ISPs provide connections that even allow to run servers let alone a whole data centre.

Meanwhile Canadas hydroelectric energy significantly decreased this year. It's importing electricity from the US to make up the difference.

@@seanthe100 ...Because there's a lack of installed capacity, hence why I mentioned 160 gigawatts of *untapped* hydropower.

@@firefox39693 it was because of drought not capacity

Not as bad as you'd think. You'd just use the iLO control port or a remote KVM to carry out the reboot and correction. That is why such devices exist.

@@vylbird8014 I love iLOs. I'm very lazy.

Get in the submarine and go fix it😅

pretty sure the data centers use linux

​@@menace8782but crowdstrike has Linux security tools

It would be interesting to see a data center hooked up to a steam plant --- you wouldn't be able to recapture *all* of the energy you'd be losing to waste heat (if only!), but you might be able to recoup a decent chunk of it if you hook things up right.

CPUs have become efficiemt but the programs haven't. So CPUs still burn a lot of electricity because the software isn't catching up. Plus security creates the need of doing redundent transformation of data so malicious entities can't use it even if they manage to steal it.

they have been trying to but its really not that simple sadly

The bigger issue is the hard drives - and the in-process transition to SSD drives IS NOT helping that.

and they say that cryptomining uses more energy than your typical centers...

@@MegaOS_Ver_NEET Depends on the specific TYPE of "data center" and the specific type of cryptocoin mining. ASIC mining like for Bitcoin is capable of being quite a bit more power dense than almost any data center type. GPU mining (on the fairly few existing GPU mineable coins) tends to be less dense than an AI "data center", as they use fewer cards at a lower power level per unit volume. Proof Of Space mining like BURST or CHIA are in the same ballpark AT MOST with actual "store lots of data" centers like the ones Backblaze runs, as in that type of center the primary power usage is for the hard drives - but a lot of BURST and CHIA farmers use LOW POWER cpus to control the drives, like the Raspberry Pi. Proof of Stake "mining" like for Etherium doesn't use significant power at all - it's more like "earning interest on your existing coin" than anything else, there is no actual "mining" involved - the only power usage would be to run your wallet occasionally to check your balance, and for a relatively few core nodes that do the actual coin interactions, which even for Etherium could probably fit easily into ONE data center.

Yes i rented a house in the sticks got 5G speeds over 700mbps on tmobile moved to the city when my lease ended cus i didnt want my rent going up lol got 200mbps smh

Not when you are housing this much data and throughput

@@minecraftmaster909 ok lol

Some data centers use their waste heat for district heating.

That and all the concrete and asphalt heating up the earth

France is using it to heat the Olympic pool

@@nua1234 Great until it's summer

Have to ask expert on everything criminal trump about that. Nope he said its fake news just like global warming & raising oceans.

Some of these supercomputers may still be hosted in data centres though. Some data centres will rent out basically empty floor space, and you can build whatever you want, and they provide you with the power and connectivity. So one could possibly build a super computer in one.

Well you do look sketchy and always carry cameras soooo LOL

that is a much more realistic problem then anything this video mentions.

So true, most of this compute power is actually for tech that gets used against us like all the spying and surveillance stuff. I personally avoid cloud, apps etc as much as I can and host all my own stuff locally. I'm running a fairly overkill setup for 1 person but I use well under 1kw. My setup could easily serve 10's of people if it was setup that way.

and you somehow thiink the useless parks and horse farms are more important?

Made getting a job easier for me. Saved me hours of work writing coverletters and resumes and taking those stupid assessment tests.

I mean they could stop doing the stupid Google AI where every search I do gives me an answer.

Apparently, yes. If it weren't people wouldn't be using the AI tools and there wouldn't be demand for AI.

isnt AI solving problems that were impossible to solve before? like that AI that figured out how proteins fold up (alphafold?) - something that is incredibly difficult to simulate given the myriad complex interactions. (side note: quantum computing could help with those simulations) figuring out protein behavior will lead to so many medical advancements alone, and thats a single, imperfect AI targeting a single problem. the applications of AI feel limitless

image generation ai are the biggest issue afaik. it's much less compute intensive to do what is essentially a higher level version of predictive text using scraped articles and texts than it is to generate a terrible image that makes no sense and uses a ton of stolen images to learn from. I believe this is partially bcos language has a lot more clear well defined rules and structures than images do, and also that text is far easier to incorporate into a program than images.

Those use relatively small amounts of data and electricity compared to new stuff like AI

@@InMooseWeTrust Yeah, I agree with you. We need to halt AI for a while until it isn't as demanding; or end it all together if it needs tons of electricity.

i mean its for everything old data is just always kept for some reason

They are built where they are do the access of a high speed fiber optic line. It has nothing to do with the federal buildins. Majority of them have nothing to do with any kind of government.

Maybe stop writing calculator apps in a glorified web browser lol. But seriously, it's really impressive how a low power CPU designed for laptops can barely draw 2 watts and even midrange desktop CPUs can draw over 45x that, with a performance difference of much less than 45x

"Loud" is relative. You'd be surprised just how deaf ambient noise leaves you. Not from permanent hearing damage, just from your brain blocking out the ambient noise. Case in point, my neighbor has three air purifiers for her "Bird room". The ambient noise in her house leaves her shouting just carrying on a spoken conversation. Last month her smoke alarm went off. She was out front of her house, couldn't hear it. I'm sitting in my room listening to youtube, and can clearly hear her smoke alarm. She had no clue anything was wrong until I came outside and told her.

The guy who said that was a "socio-cultural anthropologist"... I looked him up and apparently he specializes in post-colonial African extractive economies and crypto-mining?

You do remember he's a real human being right? Being arrested isn't a joke.

@@VioletEmerald but more than a human being, he's my coworker, so I'm obviously gonna harass him

@@MacyMorningBrew keep him on his toes😏

@@VioletEmerald arrested for doing journalism... I sounds like Canada. Next thing he'll be a Rebel😂

Can't seem to have one without the other?

Use the waste heat to desalinate seawater by boiling it.

@@Gnomezonbacon temperatures don’t get that hot and there will be heat lost due to transfer

Strange, many people living near data centers constantly complain about the noise from the cooling systems. But lets go with what you said and ignore everyone else.

@@Gnomezonbacon One of the difficulties with desalination is that it still produces waste that you need to deal with. Like, if you just dump the salt back into the marine environment, it will kill off the local ecosystem. Desalination is its own engineering and logistic challenge that data centers are ill equipped to handle despite using evaporative cooling.

@@NovemberIGSnow run an all stainless steel cooling system and use straight salt water in the loop?

I live in ashburn, you can quite literally see a data center in my backyard over our tree line

@@jaxcoop10 how does it affect your day to day life?

If only there was some form of power generation that didn't require physical infrastructure capable of handling said current... Yeah, Nuclear ticks your boxes, where it falls down is trying to tick mine.

We don't need huge amounts of data centres and don't want them - we do not want the elites and governments controlling our every move

If only they didn’t take 20 years to make

@@hahahahahahahh9830 I'm right here by Hanford... It honestly doesn't take but about 5 years. They've already done it. Comparably, a gas turbine plant takes 3-5 years. Nuke plant technically can be built relatively near to population centers, but haven't been since the 70's. Gas turbine plants need to be a good couple miles away just because of the noise.

@@nunyabidness674 I was saying 20 years because there is a discussion around it here in Australia and the news is saying it will take 20 years to build as nobody has any experience with it in Australia

That sounds well paid - is it? How does one get into that line of work?

@@imperialsecuritybureau6037, It can be high paying if you have the correct skills. There are several job types available from entry level to highly advanced. Pay tracks accordingly. Jobs include physical security guards, datacenter technician, electrician, plumber, CRAC technicians (HVAC), facility managers, systems engineers, site reliability engineers, IT administrators, network administrators, storage engineers, backup engineers, cybersecurity engineers, and many more. Each job will have its own unique requirements. Generally all jobs require at least a high school diploma, a perfectly clean background check, and be 18 or older. Specialty jobs may require specific training or certifications, all the way up to college degrees of various types (usually IT related). Keep in mind most facilities are “lights-out.” Meaning, minimal staffing with only essential personnel actually working full-time on site. The majority of administration is performed remotely. My job was to act in a senior role for special projects in the datacenter. It included overseeing teams installing advanced or specialty equipment (robotic tape libraries, large storage systems, networking cores, large blade systems, and more exotic hardware). Our team would fly in, work as hard as we could under very tight timelines (12-16 hour days), and train datacenter techs on the basics. When we weren’t at the DC we were often planning our next one. Every minute counts. It takes careful project planning to get some of these jobs done. Imagine installing over 1000 hard drives in 2 days. Each one requires not just the physical installation, but basic configuration as well (such as firmware flashing controllers, etc). Each one may take a surprisingly long time to complete. Perhaps 5 minutes. Well, that’s 5,000 minutes of work (and only if everything goes perfect). Think 80-90 hours. Why 2 days? Often to avoid an expensive system outage or customer impact. Figure out the minimum level of staffing, right expertise required, and lowest budget to guarantee 100% the job will be done correctly with all those drives spinning before you leave. Our team often went straight to the DC from the airport, worked like mad, and occasionally missed flights out because we would use every single moment to deliver. I have the personal distinction of never having a failed project in over 25 years, though for sure I have had some close calls! So many things can go wrong. Flooding, electrical issues, staff injuries and illness, bad equipment, unexpected logistical issues, and more have all gotten in our way. Yet, we always deliver.

Smooth 😂😂😂

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not really man that would mean for redundancy is harder and u would need to keep your PC on at all times its not that easy to self host globally

It's not hot enough since they want to keep components below 140F. Some data centers do pipe that water into nearby buildings for space heating or agricultural uses.

You can generate electricity off heat without needing to boil water though. Look into Stirling engines.

@@ausika Oh that's cool.

@@Faladrin Yeah, that seem like an option.

Already done. There are many Data centre heat recycling examples around the world

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