Why the Mongols Tolerated Other Religions 

Next you should look at how the iberian peninsula was tolerant or southern Italy.

make a video on imperial chola and their navy

Here is an idea - a video on an obscure religion from Iberia (Spain) known as pricillianism. Or how divided Spain was.

Which, by the standards of the time, counted as being tolerant.

@@jesseberg3271 You don't call a fish that lived in the narrow water a land-occupying fish when animals had not come to shore, just because by the time's standard it is the one made it closest to land, do you? Neither did the Mongols, they made it close to religious tolerance, but didn't make it.

@@jesseberg3271 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

@@nguyennguyenhuy7730 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

@@nguyennguyenhuy7730 chill

Lol, thanks for the summary Anakin

For their time yes, we can’t really compare the modern definition of religious tolerance for the time of the Mongols.

​@@jacobxiongnu2931 Then it wasn't so special to be praised, as the Roman Empire, the Archemenid empire and Macedonian empire all practiced that.

So...you're saying they didn't deal in absolutes?

@@Wolfeson28 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

I agree 100%!

I think calling the Mongols globalizers or modernizers is like shooting an arrow and drawing a bulls eye where it lands. Imo the interconnecting of the far east and west was a by product of the Mongols beating ass, and less of a high minded aspiration of theirs.

@@0sm1um76 I never said it was intentional….

Both were oppressors

And both are just as extractive and brutal as each other.

Thomas Jefferson said something like that, “Matters not how many gods my neighbor prays to or none at all. So long as he does not break my bones or picks my wallet.”

@@JaketheJust Jefferson was a slave owner. Although, he had doubts. About it.

that is based

@@JaketheJust My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

@@edoedo8686 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

Yesn't lol this should be an official word

Better than a straight up ban or persecution which is likely the best you can get in the medieval age...

@Θ.Σ.Κ.30 ΙΙ My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

@@Dreagostini My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

Yeah, nah.

naar they were super tolerent compared to any other society at the time.. even mroe so than the romans or greeks . they simply didnt care about other groups religions as they believe their sky god had decided they could conquer these other people.. many senior mongols were Christians.. muslims.. buddhists ect..

@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 true

@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 LOL why are u saying more so as if classical Greco-Roman civilisation is known for being tolerant. They enforced their ideals on the people they conquered. Just like the Spanish and Persian empires.

@@himum3429 most empires did this, tolerance is not the same as acceptance, it just means you probably won't be brutalised.

@@Hideyoshi1991 That's a fair point.

He is almost like the father of modern history.

@@Prodigi50 True.

Plato made a great many philosophical mistakes, yet he is still regarded as one of the great philosophers.

@@Swift-mr5zi I understand that philosophy is not exempt from logic, but how can you make a philosophical mistake? Especially if the field barely started existing at that point. I thought you make your own philosophy after all and it's others' choice to follow it, that's how I understand it; there is no right or wrong philosophy in this mindset.

@@janobara6337 You answered your own question in the first half of your first sentence.

@@newonevery740: Actually, they were early on. Successor Khanates, however, were more pro-Islam in outlook...

I mean the Muslim kingdoms taxed all non-Muslims and the Christian kingdoms repressed all non-Christian religious worship in the 13th century, so the fact that the worship of other religions was allowed without taxation makes them tolerant for their time.

So you should write a book on that. Such a clever man.

@@SetTrippin82 Thank you! :D

@@newonevery740 Compared to what was going on in the Christian world? Mongols were definitely more tolerant.

Not really, did you watch the video?

Well said best comment ive seen so far well said

@@chepito2443---thank you

Monke khan

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@@heberthr.6978 Hmm. Yes, a valid argument.

Agree mate, it's done very well

Ogodei and the two pretty unimpressive short-reigned Guyuk and Monke were perhaps the three most powerful individuals ever, becuse they were Khans over such a vast empire. of course none of it would be possible without Chinghis or Subutai tho.

No you don’t

@@balyeetbhagaloe6416 but what if we did

@@ceoofconfusion100 i dont know what you mean but the whole “you see this in all empires” is just inherently a false statement you dont see this in european empires and most moslim empires

​@@balyeetbhagaloe6416 Roman, Macedonian empires and French, British, Italian, Netherland colonies are not european, right?

@@nguyennguyenhuy7730 romans and religious tolerance in the same sentence?🥴

Up to a point, and in point I mean having a dagger in your throat . It's like it's Ghengis way or the , well U know lol.

@@theprinceoftides6836 don’t act like you know shit. Chinggis was strong, strict, and brutal but at the same time he had respect and felt for his people. A Western mind can’t cope with that. He killed all those men not because he hated them, but because it was necessary for his purpose.

@@subutaibaatur7669 I'm not acting anything my main man, I'm from that neck of the wood , and I'm pretty sure it's more than likely he's DNA runs thru my vains as it is to 1/3 of the whole human population, but U R right Temugin is a very complex and pragmatic man, arguably the greatest conqueror the world has ever known.

All religious tolerance is pragmatism

@@subutaibaatur7669 well said. bro

You guys have no idea, it's not actually like that in most of the country. Only in 2 cities, everywhere else that complied with lockdowns came out of them fast and went back to normal life. It's not some tyrannical government overreach that's trying to lock up everyone. Of you think about it for more than 2 seconds, who would that benefit anyway?

Wow you Aussies are still in COVID lockdown?

@Killin Sparker My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

@@SmashBrosBrawl My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

@@perseuswong6864 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

me: about to drop some blood *mongols staring me intensely* *me dropping some blood* mongols: all right boyz, ready the horse and bag, its time.

Well-well, I remember when Suleiman The Magnificent kill his own son by strangle him because pretty much the same reason.

@@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs The Turco-Mongolic ethnocultural synthesis shines through right there ;)

Qitbuqa head was chopped by baibars in ain jalut .

When you said hulegu i remembered what happened to library of baghdad. May God burn and damn his rotten soul in deepest hole in hell eternal

only if they refuse ti surrender

Thats irrelevant for this specific question

@@philipampofo6435 the point to the specific question is, they can be as tolerant as they want if there’s no one left to tolerate

It did matter because that allowed those populations to rebound.

When the mongols destroyed a few key Manichean towns in Central Asia it pretty much sealed it’s fate as an ancient formerly global religion.

I haven't looked into the PLCs tolerance, but wasn't it essentially exclusive to Jews and, to an extent, orthodox Christians? As in, a Muslim isn't gonna have that much of a different experience there than in, say, Austria?

@@joujou264 Unless there was a relatively small but well-established Muslim community in Austria, then yes, it was different. Because there absolutely was such community in the PLC - the Lipka Tatars. Many of them were actually nobles (although if I remember correctly, they couldn't fully enjoy their political rights, like holding offices, without converting first). The oldest Mosque in Poland is a small wooden one in the village of Kruszyniany (one of two of its kind within modern Polish borders, more can be found in Lithuania and Belarus), which was granted in 1679 to Samuel Mirza Krzeczowski by none other than Jan III Sobieski. Fun fact: the oldest Mosque in New York City, the Powers Street Mosque, was also founded by Lipka Tatar immigrants.

@@Artur_M. As a Jew (albeit with roots in Hungary-Romania and not Poland), I've always wondered what the deal was with Poland and Jews. Although there's the stereotypical image of Poland having been a bastion of antisemitism, it doesn't escape me that prior to WW2, Poland had the most Jews in the world -- at its height 3 million, or 10% (!) of the Polish population. I believe the Polish monarch also invited Jews to resettle there from further west where they were experidncing harsh perseciftion. And I recall reading Poland had enshrined religious protections and such for much of its history. Would love to learn more, not really an area I've looked much into.

@@danieledelstein9129 Are you familiar with youtuber Sam Aronow, who covers Jewish history? I think he covered this particular topic quite well, thus far until the middle of the 19th century. It's worth to watch all his videos chronologically but for this specific topic you can instead watch the 'Eastern Europe' Playlist, starting with the second video 'Casimir's Gift' (so 6 videos as for now). I also recommend checking the website of the Polin Museum in Warsaw, with links to their RU-vid channel and many other projects.

some paces? no no you just don't know how deep is the shaman roots for mongols

​@@Neverdyingpride I am Native American (Athabaskan). Yes, I understand, but I was talking to people who do not know and most do not understand. Олон хүмүүс бидний итгэл үнэмшлийн тогтолцооны талаар үл хүндэтгэсэн үг хэлдэг. Би монгол хэл сурч байна. Миний өгүүлбэр зөв байна гэж найдаж байна.

@@kathywolf4558 mongol heliig mash sain sursan baina, jinhene mongol hun shig bichij baina

The talibans destroyed a Buddhist monument in the landscape of Afghanistan 🇦🇫

@@mariyabiswas3391 Some portion of them are by that point

That was politics not tolerance

@@Manuel-gu9ls they have mongol in their dna

He was a conqueror and the most famous one

For their time yes.

i think during their period they were most tolerated.

It is enlightenment hypocrisy

@Lucas De Araújo Marques My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

Me who knows that Cyrus actually favored the monotheists over the polytheists

@@shreyanodoyto5975because he is a monotheist himself

They have already made video about the persian immortals.

@@josephmak7473 Are you sure? Because I looked and I can only find the one from the Invicta channel, which I've already seen. If you can send a link, that would be awesome.

Good idea

As well as their Jurchen ancestors and the Khitan

Agreed

Every minute of that was perfect.

Does look a lot like Benedict Wong (aka Wong in the MCU films). I did find the second season pretty slow, which is likely why it was dropped.

every minute of it is just nudes. the first time i watched it with my family and all of a sudden theres people having sex. bro that show sucks

Benedict Wong. Who played Wong in Dr. Strange

Thats deep

Imran Ali actually took it from a song of ice and fire quote from Euron Greyjoy (not the TV comedy Euron) it’s a good quote.

Also, the relations between the three Abrahamic religions in Islamic Hispania

@@shafqatishan437 Actually, Tengism is important part of steppe nomadic history, so I think it's slightly relevant

Zoroastrianism

To be precise, the term in this case is presaged, not followed.

You mean Timur?

Cyrus persecuted early Zoroastrians and suppressed some local belief systems that deviated from what he considered "normal" religion. This image of Cyrus' religious toleration comes from an anachronistic understanding of Judaism. During Cyrus' lifetime, Jews were not yet the strict monotheists they would become in the Second Temple period. They were strict monolatrists, but their religious practices were very similar to those of other Mesopotamian (and Fertile Crescent) civilizations and crucially, basically indistinguishable from Cyrus' own practices. Cyrus returned the gods of the Babylonians' subjects precisely because he shared their conception of how the worship of gods and idols worked. In modern terms, he was basically an adherent of the same "religion" followed by all those conquered peoples. Darius the Great did the exact opposite. He was raised in a Zoroastrian community and therefore was somewhat hostile to polytheists, especially the fire worshippers of Persia that Zarathustra ranted against. In his lifetime Darius heavily promoted his family's faith and suppressed the original deva worship of the Indo-Aryan peoples living under his rule. The Scythians in particular resisted this persecution at every turn. After the rise of the second Achaemenid lineage Scythians came up with ways to deface or desecrate imagery of Ahura Mazda. For example, they would repurpose Mazda pendants into spurs because they knew that the Zoroastrians saw the earth as impure. The Jews seem to have suffered some level of persecution or difficulty during Darius' lifetime, and we can see this from the gap in the Bible between Ezra-Nehemiah and the rest of the historical writings. Similarly, the construction of the Second temple seemed to have slowed down significantly in this time period and Zerubbabel's fate is unknown (although it's also possible Cambyses had deposed him earlier).

Yes I wondered this too, religious tolerance for the sake of pragmatic political control is not exclusive to the Mongols. Even totally religious states like the Caliphates had to enact secular laws when conquering very distinct religious populations like Armenia or Syria.

@@andrewsuryali8540 Interesting. I wasn't familiar with all those specifics. So the Persians were equally "tolerant" of religions as the Mongols. By "tolerant" I mean they gave concessions to some, ignored others, and persecuted/exterminated still others all based on various personal and/or pragmatic reasons. So my original point still stands: the Mongols treatment of religions was NOT significantly different from what every other major empire had already done before

Even though Islam eventually won Mongols conquerors of the Muslim world, Mongol devastation and destruction of Baghdad is etched in Muslim conscious like Holocaust for the Jews. I don't think we will ever forget it.

@@f1aziz sorry to hear that

@@theawesomeman9821 thank you.

@@f1aziz welcome

Modern day Mongolia is Buddhist? How did they end up like that?

@@aventidblechchlatechipfrap7465 I can’t argue with that statement lol. Ancient Nestorians, eastern missionaries and eastern Christians used to be based af.

Not to mention King Ashoka and Sultan Saladin.

@@chengkuoklee5734 Ashoka and Saladin don't really fit 100%

Shia's and Copts don't really see Saladin as a great symbol of toleration.

@@chengkuoklee5734 Ashoka tried to force Buddhism on Indians, not really tolerant.

Actually, it is not additional tax, muslims had zakat and non Muslims had jizya.

@@Omer1996E.C i dont know how this is not comprehended by all and they say that we hit non muslim by jizya while we ourselves pay zakat

The video was uploaded unlisted and people commented, or maybe it’s a patreon thing

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You seem pretty knowledgeable about this, maybe you'll know this answer. Who were the Kushons? I think they were either descendants or ancestors of what would be Mongols, but I don't know

@@matthiasthulman4058 The Kushans were most probably one of five branches of the Yuezhi confederation Indo-European nomadic people of possible Tocharian origin, from Northern China ( Possibly Mongolian but impossible to know for sure) but like with most ethnic groups they were not homogenous and were a mix of Indian, Persian, and Greeks ethnically. If you remember the Buddha's of Bamiyan which were tragically destroyed by the Taliban. These were of Kushan origin. Truly a fascinating and inventive empire they were an amalgamation of Greco-Indo and Persian cultures. I would encourage you to do more research on the Kushan Empire. It's very interesting. Cheers!!

@@danield831 Thank you very much for the reply. I will definitely do more research