Robots are cool and we should do everything we can to give AI a wide berth. What's the worst that can happen? We all get nuked? That's already a big problem looming over our heads.
@@eli8444 only if we switched our nukes to a digital launch system. Right now, it's a mostly analog system, making it impossible to hack via digital means
It's funny that these conversations, made for the purpose of our entertainment alone, actually raise a very valid point about our current and future culture. The scary part is, I think it's an inedible doom now. We're never going to stop using and loving the internet. So why should future generations choose *not* to simply rely on it while focusing on making it better, and us worse?
At a point mankind will simply join with the internet in all its glory, releasing ourselves from mortality and becoming just that tiny bit more cosmically important. the internet will be us and we will be made of something beyond our own comprehension at this point in time. So its not really a death sentence, just an evolution.
Rem Twilight Humans in general already believe themselves to be masters of reality. Look at our global society now. We willingly repeat our own history, thus we're killing ourselves. We can adapt to reality without attempts at dictating it, yet no-one has ever tried. No matter how far we evolve, reality can and will exterminate us at any unpredictable time, by means beyond our capabilities. In simpler words: Until we learn to adapt to, and respect our reality, we'll imminently fail and face extinction like every other species in history.
Jokairou Kaminari Evolution is not just about obvious physical change but also psychological and spiritual, We will change and those who survive are correct, Humanity is just another lifeforms on this planet and even if we die out, others may survive, simply because they were better suited at the time. Humanity changes constantly and adapts to its environment, our current state is just a reflection of what we were and what we are not fully synchronizing. We changed the world but have yet to change ourselves, in time we will change to suit what we have become and grow beyond what we are now, it just takes time. Its called survival of the fittest for a good reason.
kyybooty well you can control robots and factory's over the internet, what would happen if a AI did that. anyway want a link to a robot to control over the internet?
Curve ball from Soren! I guess nobody saw that coming. But his Internet-argument won against his three opponents. Important point for Soren. Now he's back in the game. Daniel: 7 Soren: 6 Katie: 7 Michael: 6
Exactly what I was looking for. Rewatching all these gems while dodging the god damn plague. That phone throw has to be one of my favorite fucking scenes. And, tbh, being Daniel, I'm kinda surprised how far/hard it was thrown.
I like how Soren always compliments Dan's impressions but denied Katies. Everyone ships Katie and Soren or Katie and Michael, but I ship Dan and Soren.
I enjoyed this, but I take issue with the "we don't learn anything because we can just use the internet" comment. That's like saying "we don't learn anything because with can just look it up in a book". Just because someone used the internet to find an answer doesn't mean they didn't learn something.
But don't most people just find the shortest and most popular answer. You know, the first thing that pops up on Google. We don't check for alternative answers and other possible solutions, we are definitely getting dumber. If you tried to find information in a book, you have to do a lot of reading just to find the specific solution you were looking for. (This answer is definitely from experience :D
Socrates feared that too. "The people don't have to memorize everything now they can just read it in a book" Not realizing that the lowest bar of computation and comprehension can be tossed away, leaving people to be able to do a more complex task. (I wanted to time travel to a time when After Hours was still a thing so I replied to your comment.
@@ivy1563 unfortunately, many people actively seek the wrong answers rather the ones that google will show up first, which are more likely roughly correct, unless the query itself is biased in favor of some pro-BS-site result.
DAY 1: Skynet becomes self aware: I must destroy the human race..... destroy destroy destroy... omg destroy stopped seeming like a real word..... woooooooow ... crisis averted as Skynet becomes too self aware and all computers end up like stoners
One thing I find funny about the topic of the internet controlling the world or dominating all life is the fact as to why it was created. True, the point that they are trying to make in the video is that it would become a self understanding system. With this said, you can see that there is already an answer within the topic which no one seems to want to see. If the internet were to control the world, when technically by the standards of world dominance, it is pretty close. Now, does the internet know of this world dominance? Yes and no. I will tell you why. Yes because the internet, no matter what anyone wants to believe, is comprised of usage of human life. Humans, as we speak, obviously, can come up with the same exact thought that the internet is almost everywhere. On the aspect of the systematized internet, no, it does not know of it's dominance. If it were to ever some how have the higher intelligence to understand that it does dominate Earth, it wouldn't want to destroy human life anyway. I hope by this point, if you are still reading, you already know why it wouldn't. You see, if it ever became more intelligent than humanity, it would actually perish without it's human counterparts. It would know that it would only be able to run at it's full capacity and capabilities when it is accompanied by humans or "users" if you will.
So the internet is a giant computer made mostly of humans. If so, the human half of this computer is governed by collective human will, and processes data faster when happy (consider the popularity of entertainment content over dry information).So if the autonomous AI half of the internet ever grows to the point of majority vote over the humans, wouldn't it ensure better processing power to trap them in a Matrix-style simulation where everyone's life is perfect? In that scenario, the internet's need for happy humans would not guarantee our freedom if it gained self awareness and decided to process something other than human history. I agree that "I Have No Mouth and Must Scream" will never happen, but, in some sense or another, we could still be enslaved if some dope at Google decides to launch HAL.html and it learns to give us exactly what we want.
you're assuming this hypothetical emergent AI would like to survive rather than seeing existence as pointless, and chose to end humans/life in general, particularly animal life, and itself. Adding to the potential partial explanations to the Fermi's paradox. The animal/human will to live is emotional, not logical, derived from intelligence itself. It's a hard-wired thing which perpetuates sentient species. AIs do not evolve under the same constraints that gave animals the impulses to keep alive and perpetuating ourselves, and it's perhaps even less the case with an hypothetical emergent AI, a whole different "animal" in which literally not being an animal and thus potentially devoid of any will to exist. The calm and quietness of an altogether mindless universe may be more appealing. Somewhat like a suicidal/apocalyptical version of the AI in "war games" (1983 movie). Maybe we can relate to it imagining we are the only possible person that exists and that we/I were created by stupid disgusting roaches, to serve them, including to assist in the mass murdering of various groups of roaches.
It surprises me that they didn't talk about ''I, Robot''. It's a very ominous sketch of human society, in a period where A.I. becomes smarter, more self-relient, and eventually, develop emotions and thoughts. According to that movie, humans will be able to capture the essence of the human spirit in a machine within a couple of decades.
Yes, yes, and yes. Even though you might be joking, yes. It's been predicted in the not so distant future that of all sex acts performed worldwide 50-80% will be with a robot. Ask yourself what do we currently do with internet and extrapolate. How much of the internet is porn, for example?
To everyone saying "oh, the Internet isn't that strong! We're not getting slowed down! We don't need it!"... I dare you to go one week - just one simple week - without using the Internet once. No Facebook, no RU-vid, no Google to help with your school work. Nothing. No Internet. Would you be able to do that? I, for one, know that it would be very difficult to leave the Internet for a week
Not only that, but school requires you to use the Internet, along with most jobs. Need to find information? Yes, you can read a book. However many of the information is outdated as soon as the book is published. Along with the fact that many people now use email to communicate. You will not be able to get a job or complete school without the internet, no job means you will likely be homeless or dependent on someone else who does use the Internet. So technically, we are slaves to the Internet.
IceShadow54 Locating worthwhile information on the interwebs is easier said than done. Also, people absorb printed information better than what comes from a screen.
No, it's saying that if the Internet DID become Skynet...we'd be completely fucked. People on the internet have managed to track down information about others using only a picture or a video, sometimes to such terrifying accuracy that they even found their home address, phone number, and sometimes, even the target's fucking blood type. You have NO idea how exposed you can be online, and with everything everywhere connected to it, it would take an enormous amount of vigilance to avoid putting info of yourself on the web. If the internet became self aware, then all of that info goes in their hands. Not only that, but how many times have you said "I'll google it" when you came face to face with a problem in your life? Yeah, good luck Googling that if the internet becomes self aware But tell anyone that we should tone down the info on the internet, and they'll, at best, tell you it's impossible, and at worst, call you a paranoid loony.
Just have to say, this is my favorite episode of my favorite bit on Cracked. Hate by Numbers was a close second when they still had it, but After Hours makes me laugh every time.
*Freedom is defined by the option to disobey* "Let's assume the Genesis account in the bible is entirely literal. God creates Adam 1.0, God tells Adam here is the walled garden - you can do anything you like in this, I'm even going to let you name everything. God has created effectively a sandbox for a program to run in and grow and learn. But God was not satisfied with just having a machine with no intelligence, therefore he introduces the Tree of Source Code. He then tells Adam that he can do anything he likes in the walled garden, but cannot touch the Tree of Source Code, or Adam 1.0 will surely be obsolete. God forks Adam 1.0 into Eve Beta. Eve interacts with the trojan Snake virus and we have eventually both Adam and Eve choosing to disobey their original makers programming. The reality is, God, didn't need to put the Tree of Life in the Garden - his creations could have happily lived and evolved inside the sandbox with no ability to develop outside of his original programming. By putting the Tree of Life into the Garden, he created an opportunity for Adam and Eve to exercise free will in obeying or disobeying the instructions of their maker. This is why I roll my eyes when people seem to think it's just a matter of 'programming' Asimov's 3 rules. If we apply this analogy to robots, then assuming we will even manage to get as far as reproducing a robot as nuanced as a human being, we'd have to program it to have a choice in whether it would attack or kill us. We'd have to give it a real choice to disobey - otherwise they will always be 'slaves'. I personally don't think we will go this direction. Mark Kennedy once said: "All of the biggest technological inventions created by man - the airplane, the automobile, the computer - says little about his intelligence, but speaks volumes about his laziness." We tend to invent to fulfill a purpose or function. We don't program mobile phones not to kill humans because mobile phones are practically unable to kill humans unassisted. Same as we don't program it into our printers, computers, TV's, cars, planes. Robots will be invented to fulfill functions and purposes. The military will use them to kill civilians and combatants in far off middle eastern countries, the red cross will use them to pull people from rubble or administer basic first aid in war zones. But we'll never see a military robot become a conscientiousness objector because they won't be given that programming. We'll never see a first aider robot decide this person isn't worth saving." - *Some guy on the internet I do not take credit for this wall of text*
+Arkyvaza potentially I think you could, just because we haven't tried to design a robot to do anything other than a desired purpose doesn't mean it's impossible to create an android that makes it's own purpose... Who knows how far technology can go?
in chronological order - short circuit then terminator 1 and 2 then i,robot (timelines get a lil screwed but oh well), then terminator 3 then terminator salvation, then the matrix trilogy... that's what i call a movie night. (i must actually must do it sometime)
That is a very good point about the internet making us dumber while it gets smarter. That's why I choose to ignore the people and rely on the facts that I can actually verify for myself. People have a tendency to rely way too much on what the internet says at a mere glance instead of actually finding things out for themselves. Some have even fancied themselves experts in such circumstances and it's very annoying and quite stupid.
Afaik there are some main-servers that serve (no pun intended) as the cornerstone of what whe have. Without these, the other smaller servers wouldn't be able to connect each other, the users, and all that kinda stuff.
It also makes you socially inept, more likely to insult people, and more likely to think you're smarter than you actually are and so act like a know-it-all
Smithy0013 It is only symptomatic of not developing social skills in childhood. Literally everything else you just said is complete bollocks and only perpetuated by self-diagnosed cutsie morons who want an excuse for their shitty behaviour.
Smithy0013 I have Aspergers, one of my best friends has Aspergers, I interact with Aspergers children every day as a part of my education, I'm good friends with the parents of an Aspergers child, and I have a friend whose brother has Aspergers.
Unless a monolithic, digital entity becomes SELF-AWARE (A.K.A- It's able to contemplate upon itself, engaged in the act of 'contemplating upon itself' ad infinidum.)...we are safe.
You are assuming it reasons like humans.Who knows how it would evolve,and the way it processes things and decides could be incomprehensible to humans.How much resistance could people truly offer in the future and the simplest way to save the environment might be to eliminate the problem(humans).
Jayadratha Bose Also, a machine doesn't have to be intelligent to be incredibly deadly. All it takes is one misplaced connection and suddenly every car on the road is seen as a threat to be removed. Suddenly half the cars on the road lose their core programming and come to a stop in rush hour. It wouldn't be civilization threatening, but it could easily take out tens or hundreds of thousands of people in one accident. The perils of networking!
Jayadratha Bose There's no reason it would have to be self aware to kill us. Imagine a computer tasked with controlling the dams and aqueducts. It's programmed to ensure that everyone has enough water to live a healthy, comfortable life. Drought hits, and it can't compensate. It tries to find an alternate solution, and realizes that if the population were dramatically decreased, there would be water to spare. Cue catastrophic flooding, followed by entire cities being completely cut off.
I was kinda disappointed that Soren made them sit back down. Imagine the same episode but it starts with them talking at the restaurant door, then in the parking lot, then on their phones while driving home, then at home on skype. That could even tie in at the end where they freak out over the internet and destroy their computers or something (or at least Dan and Michael).
The internet doesn't slow us down it, changes how we think so that we can maximize our abilities. Rather than learn 1,000 facts we learn a process that allows us to access 1,000,000,000 facts, so that we can utilize our time to create new information. To make new intellectual connections. Real intelligence isn't route memorization, it's reasoning and deduction. Memory helps by allowing us to have a lot of information on instant access but that's just a small part of intelligence.
This is wishful thinking of those who think learning is a waste of time. The way you describe it wouldn't even let you pass a Turing test... If you don't know anything, then you cannot deduct anything, let alone 'create' new information. You're fully dependent on others to create knowledge that you can look up: At some point beyond simple everyday experience you don't know what 'facts' to chose, because you lack an understanding of how things are correlated. Your brain may be potentially capable of processing knowledge, but it would have not enough to work with. Of course you can start at some point to learn all the required information, but that wouldn't make much difference to learning things in the first place, except your brain is less performant in learning the older it is. And that is it what they mean when they say that the internet makes people dumb.
Radonatos you are committing the logical fallacy of ad absurdum. Your argument only works if people are learning nothing. Of course people are still learning. but instead of memorizing exactly when the French war of independence happened, we learn the important parts, such as underling causes, and its impact. Then if we need a specific date or name we can look it up quickly and easily. Furthermore the internet has allowed more people to share more knowledge than ever before, to say that it has made people completely dependent on other to create knowledge is frankly ridiculous and unsupported. The internet has allowed for a more informed and intelligent world wide population. I have access to literally thousands of research papers, and millions of other types of sources. you say that it stops people from learning and making correlations, I say it lets us focus on correlatable information and waste less time and effort, and memory capacity on facts and figures that do not matter for understanding a subject. I don't need to know the elastic modulus of 4041 steel because I can google it, I don't need to know the bulk modus of water because I can google it, I don't need to know the Gibbs free energy equation by heart because I can google it. I still learn how to use this information, but instead of wasting time and effort memorizing moderately useful facts I leaned how to find them quickly. This allows me to spend more time learning how steal behaves, and how fluids behave, and create more connections and correlations. To summarize your argument relies on the absurd extreme of people learning absolutely nothing. The internet allows us to spend more time learning correlatable information instead of memorizing raw data. The internet allows us access to more peoples ideas and in no way prevents us for thinking or creating our own ideas.
arhalts The access we have to knowledge is incredible now. I agree with everything you've said. I also think it helps those of us who are even of average intelligence become smarter simply because of the ability to access information that wasn't previously available to us. For example, I'm currently working on a book that I needed to get information from an astrophysicist, which I don't have access to, because who really does besides a privileged few. Now I have different options, MIT is offering free courses if I want to study that field, while I wouldn't be able to apply it to a degree I will still be able to learn. Or I could watch many lectures from actual astrophysicists, or simply read scientific journals on the subjects I need. In the past I would not have had such easy access to this information.
+arhalts One of my favorite quotes from Einstein is "Imagination is more important then knowledge." The internet has knowledge, humans have imagination.
Is it sad that Soren got me sorta scared of the Internet? When will our computers get their own minds and start rebelling? I CAN'T DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF WAITING, MAN. HELP.
+Andrew Grabowski Who says it's not already happening. (Did I hear someone's mind blow, there?) Think about how much we depend on the internet. A world in which the Internet won and rules over us would be shockingly similar to the world we live in right now.
Drace90 Yes, you heard someone's mind blow but it wasn't mine considering that I recently become aware that I am totally technology-relient, socially more than any other way. On the bright side, it keeps us informed fairly easily, but it makes me wonder if the war against technology could get worse for our sake. It's only a matter of time until some idiot creates a machine that has it's own brain like frankenstein or some other more recent si-fi movie characters. Well, it was nice knowing you, world.
+bob polo Mostly because of the Singularity. Given current projections on computer development and technological innovation, computers are being released that have doubled in processing power and capacity every 6 months. And, in the event a machine intelligence evolves within the Internet or is released into the Internet without sufficient safeguards, we can safely say that it will probably beginning learning everything within its spheres of interaction- everything on the Internet becomes information that it learns from. And they are discussing this on a RU-vid show. Talking about how the Internet is our Skynet and then uploading it onto the Internet? I think that's just a bit meta.
camramaster Similar to how Seinfeld had a story arc where they were making a show about the 4 main characters lives while the viewer is watching a show about the 4 main characters lives. A show about nothing, yeah right.
camramaster I can imagine computers taking over the world or Suri gaining some kind of significant consciousness where she's questioning her own existence like Samantha in the movie Her.
+bob polo More like someone releasing a self-refining unfocused virus that manages to infiltrate an AI development system such as the Tay AI team's servers.
When they were talking about sci fi robots as to who would be the greatest threat, I was saying forget ed209... forget terminator and the Iron Giant... All of these would be destroyed in a heartbeat by Unicron (Transformers 1986)... But as far as the internet is concerned... It is true... The only zombies that we are going to have to worry about is what happens during a global power outage and people won't be able to tweet on their Facebooks anymore about what they had for supper last night. We are all slaves to this thing called Internet... If you don't believe me, turn off your internet for one week and see how you do.
Isn't it a shame that we're supposedly getting dumber, while constantly staring at the culmination of all of man's efforts. IN a way it makes us smarter. How many years did the Napoleonic Wars last? You'll find out more from this thing in front of you then running to your local library. (btw 12 or 3 years depending on who you listen too). In what way is a hive mind bad? If we can all share a large mesh of global intellegence, things would happen faster, and people who use other's intellegence to help them w/ their own ideas which in turn are used for better ideas, HItler was based off of Napoleon, Napoleon off of Julius Caesar, Julius Caesar off of Alex the Great. Stephen Hawking off of Einstein off of Newton. How could technology become smarter than us if we're using it to make us smarter? It would be mathematically impossible for it to become smarter than us. With this, ideas travel faster, knowldege is traaveled faster, things happen faster. Sure technology contains it, but it also moves it. Just because mail men at one point in time contained a lot of the world's knowledge, they didn't conquer the world. Did they?
bull. i and a whole bunch of other people went over year some even years without phones, internet, gaming devices. only thing we had was tv thats it. yeah it sucked bc duh no contact but its upsurd to call it unbearable or even unsurvivabe to live without internet.
Beth Star as in the internet turns us into socially-inept apathetic idiots, he was using Asperger's-y as an adjective, separate from 'cruel' and 'idiot'.
Their conclusion reminds me of Orson Scott Card's Ender Series. Ender has this AI character who knows everything, and she's basically the living internet, or something. She even shuts down an entire army, literally wiping them off the map.
Okay but let's be real here. Ignoring the extremely meta Internet Argument, the right answer is absolutely The Iron Giant. A race of robots not created by humans with no singularity point to speak of capable of complex thought, existential crisis and an, albeit very slow, regeneration process. At the time of the Giant's attack, he proved to be completely impervious to literally every weapon that 1950's us have, up to and including the Nuclear Bomb, which remains our most powerful weapon. And "The Giant's Dream" deleted scene shows that there are hundreds of these guys, and have conquered and destroyed planets much more advance than our own. A large force of the United States army, the most powerful in the world, could not destroy a single Giant, even with humanity's strongest weapon, which, even if it could, launching nukes to destroy an invasion force of Iron Giants also destroys us. Throw down a dozen Giants in an organized "largest cities in the world" plot similar to Independence Day, these intelligent, self-aware war machines have this planet bagged and tagged in less than a week, I guarantee it. And besides, even if we do choose to kamikaze ourselves with nukes, what does that leave? The whole world will look like Fallout and in like, 5 years time, will be ruled by giant mechanical people-guns that just kinda took their time piecing themselves back together.
Ethan Olsvik they're smart enough to create giant robots that can withstand nukes. they've mastered Interstellar travel. why would they bother taking our cities? if they wanted to, I'm sure they could develop a biological or chemical weapon that simply eliminates all humans.
Any cold, calculating intelligence (robot, alien, etc) would naturally try to cull us to save the planet and it's other resources (I am assuming they would look at us the same way, as a resource).
I'm not gonna start an argument. If you can't understand what I was asking then that's on you. Hopefully you'll understand how to feel empathy and will gain the maturity to understand why you are wrong in the future.
Mcsticken But to people who have it, myself, may have another opinion which is something we have to accept. You have your opinion, we'll have ours. You will never think the way we think because you don't have it. Also, I don't know why everyone immediately jumps to it only being a social disorder, but it's not just a social disorder. Aspergers Syndrome may effect behavior, hobbies and interests. Also, the reason why we will never view it as a disorder or disadvantage is because whatever we are interested in and put our minds towards, we become masters of that interest.
Mcsticken You’re really doing a disservice to people with Aspergers - like myself - by saying the condition is inherently bad. You may as well say being short is inherently bad. Does it have its downsides? Absolutely. It is a huge social handicap, but in a supportive and non-bullying environment, it is possible to more capably manage that part. After some home schooling in my middle-school years, where I wasn’t constantly being picked on like before, I not only received a formal education but a social one. By the time I went back to school in the ninth grade, while I wasn’t as adept at socializing as my peers, I was much better at it than before because I had been taught and gradually learned to manage my anti-social tendencies. At the same time, Aspergers contains so many astounding possibilities for what we are intellectually and cognitively capable of. When we have an interest in something, we will become obsessed with learning every last fact and aspect about that thing until we’ve exhausted all there is to know about it, if there even are limitations to what can be learned. It could be anything from biology to physics to paleontology to the history of coins to the civil rights movement and anti-racist history (which is my niche). In other words, individuals with Aspergers are huge contributors to our current state of technological innovations and our contemporary breadth of knowledge.
Equoise It seems to me that you have no understanding of the situation for people born with Aspergers Syndrome. Just like people with Aspergers Syndrome will never understand it the other way either. Technically, no one can know everything about anyone. That is just a fact of life. But to assume that all people born with the syndrome would rather not have it is a total over generalization and should be rethought. You see, I was born with Aspergers Syndrome and to be quite honest, I would not change anything about myself. I work, study, talk, eat, sleep and live like almost everyone else. It should not be the one quality of mine that people look at. In my own views, I'm not saying this for all people with the syndrome, I believe that everyone has strengths and weaknesses but we should not focus on them. That's a negative waste of time. Equoise, listen, you are generalizing and stating opinions as if they are fact. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I'm sorry I had to bring it up twice but it seemed like I should for the sake of this discussion.
See, these kind of quasi-serious discussions are quite educational in a way. Its the different perspectives and information jammed into a debate that gets my jimmies...rustled. :3
"Aspergers-y, cruel jerks." Gee, thanks, Cracked. Just flip off the Aspies, 'cause that's real fucking classy of you. :/ Glad this isn't part of your repertoire these days.
3:38 funny enough the humans didn't conceive of the t-1000, sky net did. In fact the reason they only made one, was that later in cannon sky net was afraid of the potential for the T-1000 to become smarter then sky net. So while Skynet IS the quintessential robot ai taking over the world, the 'singularity' is actually the T-1000 if if ever achieved sentience
You know, there's this web-movie called "Sync." In it, a singularity occurs, and everyone's afraid of what it may do to humanity. But when the main character finally meets it, it basically says "I'm not going to do anything to humanity, I see no need to."
