Why the TR-Rack is a 90s ambient synth bargain

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The Korg TR-Rack (Trinity) is a 1u beast perfect for 90s ambient sounds. However, is it better than a Korg Triton? Let's talk about the Korg TR-Rack, look at how it compares to the Korg Triton, and look at ways you can actually edit sounds on it using Midi Quest #korgtrinity #musicproduction
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That Korg effect: • That ambient Korg pad ...
@0:00 The Korg TR-Rack
@2:08 One massive downside
@3:00 Unlocking the TR-Rack with Midiquest
@3:57 TR-Rack vs. Triton Sound Demo
@6:44 TR-Rack Effects
@8:40 Why I'd recommend the TR-Rack
@9:13 Generating Presets with Midiquest
@11:41 Category Browser & More Sounds
@12:49 Insane "Special FX" presets
@14:05 Combining the Triton & TR-Rack
@14:40 Stacked program demo
@15:21 The End

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@modulosonoro Месяц назад

A big plus for sound design is that 2 multi-mode resonant filters that can run in parallel in a program. TR also has a massive amount of useful waveforms compared to the earlier non-res filter machines like M1, X3. The Sound Diver TR Rack editor used to be downloadable here and there, and works on Windows10. The free Trinitro editor may work as well.

@sinisterj73 Месяц назад

I just can not get over how great these old synths sound in this genre of music. I could just sit and listen to this all day.

@nickwallette6201 Месяц назад

I fell in love with ROMplers when I was a teen and learned what they were. Have not lost that love for them ever since.

@carlosnavarro3725 Месяц назад

I remember the first time I heard a TR-Rack from a Future Music CD in the late 90s, clearly it has a unique sound, a real winner. Great demo. Many thanks for sharing!

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Loved those synth demos on the FM cd's, cheers mate!

@SproutyPottedPlant Месяц назад

Wow what a beautiful sound! It’s like Korg captured a tropical paradise and shoved it into that thing!!

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Totally! When I picture the Paul Hardcastle / Jazzmasters 3 album cover - I think of the Trinity

@VultureCulture Месяц назад

Ugh now I'm going to have to buy one of these! The pads are insane!

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Do it! Would love to see a video with your take on it

@darkjord5823 Месяц назад

shes a beauty... but damn man... i was planning on picking one up soonish. You spiking the reverb sales 😂

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

haha they seem stable still! ebay, reverb, mercari, facebook marketplace - see a few up for a good price

@159CHAPPELL Месяц назад

I have a tr rack and I love it. Thanks for the info on the midi quest. Pulling programs and editing is a nightmare on the unit. You just made it fun all over again... thanks!!😊

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Awesome mate! Give Midiquest a shot, really opens things up. Also, on the Pro version of Midiquest you can upload & transfer PCG files to the TR-Rack. Game changer for not having to bust out an old laptop/computer to transfer PCG files via that COM port

@dare2win215 Месяц назад

i love mine! Before i replaced much of my rack with software equivalents, i used to stack it with a Triton Rack, Wavestations A/D & SR, an XV-5080 & 5050, a TG-77, Emu Vintage Keys, P-330, MKS-20 & an SG-Rack (occasionally an 01)W, Alesis Ion, & Tyros 5 would guest star). The insane tear inducing pad layers I'd create were pure bliss! I'd often have congregants commenting on how beautiful those swirling, ethereal, evolving pads were.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

I can only imagine the stacked pads you'd get out of all that stuff - all heavy hitting synths! SG-Rack was always a bit of a myth to me, looks like a TR-Rack - and if I understand, has a lot of the piano sounds from the tr-rack?

@NSW-ye3xw Месяц назад

What made Korg synths so great in the 90s was the effects. They were high level.

@TheBeeOBee Месяц назад

I think the MDE-X plugin is the same effects.

@ShallRemainUnknown Месяц назад

@@TheBeeOBee MDE-X is recreation of original MDE effects chip used in M1/T-series, WS, 01W, a pair in A2 and A3, others, and then integrated into later "AI2" synthesis system synths' tone generator chip. The Trinity (TR-Rack) used new and more numerous algorithms developed for original unreleased Oasys prototype (1993), had more simultaneous processing blocks, and ran on off-the-shelf Panasonic chips, later integrated and progressively improved in Triton and later Korg synths until today.

@coyotesynth Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing. Could not imagine it sounded so good.

@westerncivilization Месяц назад

Most Korg products pre-USB were incredibly good values across any genre

@ComposerMichaelDow 25 дней назад

Such a a beautiful pad sound i love those 90s pads that were all over dnb and PlayStation games of the time. Nice video 👌

@Thought-Forms 11 дней назад

Thanks mate! I'm there with you. Can't get enough of those pads and find myself hoarding more and more synths from the era

@ASH-ou4cg Месяц назад

Another popular editor for the TR Rack, is Trinitro.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

For sure. Have Trinitro on my old XP laptop - works well too - download is still floating around on the korg forums

@strawberrycrxme 20 дней назад

This was used for Sonic Mega Collection's soundtrack (The very beginning of the intro song of the game was done with this synth), it's just so nostalgic and magical

@Thought-Forms 15 дней назад

Didnt know that! Super cool

@planetmullins Месяц назад

good to see you posting thought-man

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

whatsup Rob! thanks for tuning in

@DavidMorley Месяц назад

Another great Korg is the Wavestation SR. Killer rack unit.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

For sure, great unit! The Wavestation A/D was one of my first hardware synths, has a special place in my heart

@charthers8903 Месяц назад

Amazing stuff wish I could find one

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

they trickle in on reverb / ebay a decent amount! also check the japanese auction websites and can often snag a much cheaper one (FromJapan, Neokyo)

@ivansoto9723 Месяц назад

Hell yeah. I knew the TR-Rack video was gonna come out at some point lol.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

@altrogeruvah Месяц назад

Man, both sound so lush...

@michaelheath1194 Месяц назад

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥video! Which version of MIDI Quest 13 would you recommend purchasing? I'm not sure if the essentials is the right choice.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Essentials is the bare minimum I'd start at - and can always upgrade later. would be great for all your other synths too! A step up gives you more patch generator options and some other meh things, and Pro adds VST support which sounds slick

@megamatt1915 Месяц назад

Another great video! Btw, have you ever heard of a producer named Lone? His music is highly inspired by these 90s rompler sounds. Those TR Rack vocal pads are very reminiscent of his. A dream video for me that can come from you would be an identification of a lot of the sounds he uses, whether from synths or romplers. Just sayin! 😂

@ChrisSmout Месяц назад

Yeah saw Lone supporting The Orb in London, such a good dreamy set.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Have not heard of Lone, will check him out. Thanks for the recommendation, sounds like it would be right up my alley!

@skarajmusic 15 дней назад

Lone's sound is simple, if we're talking about Pineapple Crush, Ecsta-- and friends era then use 7th chords, two sawtooths and maybe a tiny bit of LFO on both oscillators. In terms of samples, I am going to guess he has used some 90s sample CDs for some pads and other sounds.

@megamatt1915 13 дней назад

@@skarajmusicCan you timestamp the patch you’re talking about in Pineapple Crush for me? Or are you saying that two sawtooths and that LFO setting is a foundation for multiple synth patches of his? Thanks!

@skarajmusic 12 дней назад

@@megamatt1915 - At 0:32 in Pineapple Crush, that's the sound I mean with the two sawtooths and 7th chords. But in general, a lot of his tunes use 7th chords which is one of the main ingredient of his tracks.

@robertgarvansnyder4665 Месяц назад

Extra bonus, it has the drum preset from Clipse - Grindin’.

@Robert44444444 Месяц назад

These are great units… and IDK if they still are, but for LONG time they were available for $250-$350 any day of the week. What I do wish I had though was the optional ADAT output card. Those are rare to find.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

You can definitely still find them around $300 luckily. Agree! - would love to have one of those ADAT expansions. Don't think I've ever seen one pop up

@Arc.hitectureMusic Месяц назад

Definitely became one of my favorite Korg racks. The multimode is another powerful feature that shouldn’t be slept on. Best done with Midiquest or Sound Diver (I use the serial link with my PowerBook for this part). And keeping the midi sequencing to my more modern solutions

@modulosonoro Месяц назад

Agree, two in a single program layer give it a lot of creative possibilities.

@bungalowjams Месяц назад

Love your content mate. Have you ever thought about covering the Roland JD08/JD800 for atmospheric pads? I’ve managed to create quite a few pads using one of these but there are simply so many options its kind of overwhelming!

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Thanks mate! I have the VST version of the JD800 and honestly havent used it much. It does look super overwhelming at first glance! It's very capable - but I tend to lean towards Korg for 90s ambient pads hence why I haven't spent much time with it. Can look a little more into it!

@ifheavenwashuman Месяц назад

Thank you.

@MrSimonjan78 Месяц назад

Hi. One question. How to open " Select Program by Category" in Triton Rack as you shown in 5:20. Thank you

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Oh mate - one of the best features. When in Program or Combi mode, select UTILITY (F8) and scroll down once -> select "Select by Category." Can also do the same when selecting oscillators (ROM Multisample categories)

@MrSimonjan78 Месяц назад

@@Thought-Forms thank you mate

@austenturbyne5809 Месяц назад

Man, I have one of these, are there other programs for getting control of this with midi?

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Trinitro is the only other one I know about, and can be found floating around on the internet. It's a much older program that only works on older operating systems (Win 98, XP, etc)

@djtommykeys Месяц назад

Love my TR rack.

@user-sk4nn5dp6y Месяц назад

Great stuff! Still wish Korg would make a trinity plugin.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

My fingers are still crossed that day will come! Would also love to see an X3 and/or N1 VST

@marcelfrehse Месяц назад

so i hope i got that right: the Midiquest module for the Trinity works with the TR Track hardware ?

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

They have modules for all the variations of the Trinity in midiquest, including a specific "Korg Trinity Rack" for the tr-rack

@ASH-ou4cg Месяц назад

The TR Rack definitely has some more weight and girth to it. Wondering... is there overlap on the patches/waveforms between the TR Rack and the Triton Rack, or are they completely different? Is it worth owning both?

@ShallRemainUnknown Месяц назад

PCM ROM very mostly the same between Trinity & Triton. They are extremely similar overall as synths, a LOT of misinfo, butt-hurt oldtime users acting like schoolkids arguing game consoles, illogical arguments, fanboi attitude, and plain stupidity out there. You want both, go ahead, shouldn't be too much money, can sell off (for not much money). ALL the "core" of Korg PCM-subtractive synths beginning with Trinity until today in '24 are EXTREMELY similar; read a few PROFESSIONAL/MAGAZINE reviews (SOS mag is quite comprehensive, and available free online going waay back - but even they make mistakes), read specs, and thumb through instruction manuals (free online), answer should be obvious...

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Preset wise there isn't much overlap - but PCM rom content wise there is a bit of overlap. Both are great to own if you can swing it. You'll never run out of sounds

@FredF78 Месяц назад

Could it be some form of band compressor in the Triton that makes the sound signature more bright and U shaped? The TR has that true power in the lower mids that I think is the traderamark of older digital gear and what distinguishes it from vst. I dare say that the Triton sounds like they engineered it for the future and vst has the same kind of lack of mids. The Triton still sounds a bit different from the Legacy vst in the highs. But more vst than the TR...cleaner dacs perhaps and vst has none so...

@ned_interrobang Месяц назад

love my TR Rack

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

one of a kind!

@NigelMarston Месяц назад

Been looking for one for a while - they seem quite rare, or in Japan with 100V input power

@adamwilson951 Месяц назад

great video, can you get a tripod? the movement is sickening

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

thanks mate, and noted! used a go-pro which I thought had some stabilization functionality in it, but yea - looks a bit shaky

@robertlparker Месяц назад

Sounds good! Kinda sad now I sold my Triton Studio 88 like 11 years ago..

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

doesnt it!? never too late to get another - or the VST Triton

@xp50player Месяц назад

Let’s hear the 01R/W, even though I am already on my 2nd 01/Wfd.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Funny you mention that - in the works ;)

@svggod7583 Месяц назад

I bought this from a local producer in 2002 for $100. The sounds are definitely amazing. Too bad it’s collecting dust in storage

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

$100, wow! Nice one. If you need someone to clean the dust off it, let me know ;)

@reno5159 Месяц назад

Sounds lush- but the reason I want a triton isnt for ambient, its cus of the classic grime sounds it produces!! Got loads of synths which can do ambient. Very little in that UK grimey space tho!

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Didn't know the Triton was used a bunch in grime, awesome!!

@reno5159 Месяц назад

@@Thought-Forms Yeah man ik wiley and geeneus had one, wouldnt suprise me if skep n jme had one too. Thinking I might try the VST version as much as I like using hardware. Its that era of expansion boards and preset boards where they cost you an arm and a leg to get a full setup. Similar to Rolands JV series. But even rarer lol

@slikyviky Месяц назад

I can basically already hear the drums

@MrVinylistic Месяц назад

Many pad sounds of the TR Rack are from Korgs Wavestation. For ambient pads I would reccomand a Wavestation for better control and....it's the original of that kind of sounds. Even the Korg Wavestation Plugin is a great deal or Korg's new Wavestate.

@Thought-Forms 28 дней назад

Huh - didn't know that. I've heard some similar sounding patches in the TR that made me think wavestation (in fact, there is a preset called "wavestation") so not surprising!

@jonathanevans1310 Месяц назад

The trinity sounds like the Triton with a partially open low pass filter. Should be easy to make the Triton sound like the Trinity

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

I can't argue with that observation - may try recreating a similar patch between both and do just that

@modulosonoro Месяц назад

Triton doesn't have the multi-filter architecture (as in, more than one working at a time) as far as I know.

@ShallRemainUnknown 14 дней назад

@@modulosonoroYes, Triton absolutely has double filter per voice just like Trinity. Trinity has more filter types to choose from, but those are only weak 6db/octave types, anyway. Triton also has increased synthesis/sound creation and effects options. Plus sampler to use custom waveforms. And more...

@snowleopard9749 Месяц назад

Yeah, I'm not convinced of it's merits, or sound versus the Triton. If you have to edit the sounds on a computer anyway, it's going to be far more convenient to use the Triton VSTi.

@user-ib8uj1ic7d Месяц назад

It can be edited, but that's not the point of the synth. It was designed to be a preset synth. I've owned one for over 20 years and still use it all the time.

@tz64nk41 12 дней назад

Is that a Novation A station under it?

@Thought-Forms 11 дней назад

it is! great little unit

@djdspence Месяц назад

What's the VST equivalent to this?!

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Korg Triton VST would be the most similar

@ar_xiv Месяц назад

midiquest... such a blessing and such a curse lol. I have a slightly different korg rack that is very similar and it is much cheaper and I'm not telling anyone about it

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

best way to put it LOL. a necessary evil. and I probably know what that other one is ;) if it's what I think it is, that one rules too

@MrMallum Месяц назад

Sorry to do this but it's pronounced Book - em...... LTJ Book em..... Big respect for the good video mate.....

@MrMallum Месяц назад

Is that an A Station underneath the TR Rack?

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

yup!

@Hirsbrochannel Месяц назад

You just cost me 500 euro 🙄

@jimbotron70 Месяц назад

No pain, no gain.

@ecclesoul Месяц назад

I have the TR-Rack. I don't have midiquest.

@CT-ho6si Месяц назад

"buck 'em"

@westerncivilization Месяц назад

Hold on to your rack units, Gents. It's only a matter of time before people understand the cost benefit ratio of modular is BAD, and we had it so good a generation earlier.

@Thought-Forms Месяц назад

Got my closet full of em! still some killer deals on less known rack units out there to be had

@westerncivilization Месяц назад

@@Thought-Forms old samplers are a culture, a way of life