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@lindawilson4625
@lindawilson4625 Месяц назад
I can't even imagine their horror when the realization of their fate set in...especially having your two small children with you. May they rest in peace.
@alison9642
@alison9642 Месяц назад
I agree. It must have been awful for them.
@dustyc324
@dustyc324 Месяц назад
awful for everyone involved, obviously. but the last one alive, must have been absolutely tormented.
@rjchavers9267
@rjchavers9267 Месяц назад
💛🙏💛
@princessinmittens4783
@princessinmittens4783 Месяц назад
My thoughts are who does first, I know that sounds harsh but who was the last one to die?... Evil thoughts sorry
@deannekliene2673
@deannekliene2673 Месяц назад
Omg ! I thought of that too ...
@TigerLily61811
@TigerLily61811 8 дней назад
Dear Tourists: We're not that imaginative with naming places. So if we call something "Death Valley" or "Devils Den" or "Famine Peak"... beware. There's some obvious backstory involved.
@heathermillsphantomlimb9314
@heathermillsphantomlimb9314 День назад
You are not wrong. I live in WV, and there’s an area about 25 miles north of me that’s known as “Murder Mountain.” I brought it up to an exchange student friend of mine from the Philippines, and he asked me why we called it that. I told him, “Because people had been murdered on it.”
@ecrosenow5194
@ecrosenow5194 День назад
Ahh yes good old knife point,
@AllisterCaine
@AllisterCaine 52 минуты назад
Neither are us germans. We just put words together like Lego. So they should have guessed. There is a mountain range called "the sleeping Virgin". You can take a guess how it looks.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 26 дней назад
I worked at Death Valley over the winter, before it became a National Park. It was a Monument at the time. The place was super popular with Germans. Though one day, in the Spring I found a car broke down on a remote road. They recommend you carry at least 1 gallon of water per person in you car at all times. It is (or was) actually illegal to not stop and give assistance yo someone stranded in the desert. I found a family of 4 (s adults, two kids) broke down on the side of the road. I stopped and asked how long they had been there and how much water they had. About half an hour and none. I gave them both gallons of my water and told them to drink it all between them, even if they didn't feel thirsty. I then left to call for help. I picked up 4 more gallons of water 2 to replace what I had given away, and 2 more for the family. The tow truck showed up in about an hour, with us all talking and drinking our water. The tow truck driver handed out even more water. The dad laughed making fun of how obsessed we were about water. I said, "In this place, when it's hot and dry like it is now, if you find yourself stranded without water in the morning, you will be dead before sunset. Drink more water. This place is seriously intense. Temperatures can climb to over 125 degrees every day, and temperatures over 130 are not rare. With humidity of around 0.25% you don't get thirsty before your brain begins to be effected by your dehydration. It's a bit safer these days (opposed to 35 years ago) with cell phones, but service can be spotty, and it is so hot, it can cause your cell phone to shut down. Let someone know where you are going and when you expect to be back, even if it's the Ranger Station. That way, if you get stuck, they can send a rescue to you before it becomes a body recovery. Just make sure you check in so they know you are safe. Also, take water. Lots and lots of water. And yea, I know this story. I didn't know the resolution though.
@najroe
@najroe 8 дней назад
living up at arctic latitudes can't relate to dessert heat, but I know about irresponsible tourists, when it is colder than -35 in snowstorm you have litterally minutes to live with light cloghing (something like jeans and a sweater), even walking briskly at best have 45 minutes before you can't move anymore, and half that time before you have severely degraded mental abilities. we try telling people and yet... a tourist was found last winter, dead in a snowdrift, he went out to walk a mere 280m in a snowstorm, he was wearing just a linnen shirt and suit pants, he thought he knew better, "just going to the corner store for snacks". walking 200m in summef is easy, but in a storm like that, they, can drop 25cm/hour, slogging through knee deep snow is slow work, and in clothes like that you get wet all over from your bodyheat initially melting snow, then wet snow packs onto that which cools you like a full body ice pack, now ad storm winds at near huricane speeds... almost cartoon parody, you know the "instant human ice block" .
@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783
@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783 7 дней назад
Thank you for your interesting input! Cool story!
@najroe
@najroe 7 дней назад
@@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783 freezing cold even
@RobertJarecki
@RobertJarecki 4 дня назад
18 July 2024 Worked in Saudi Arabia for 4 years. 10 liters (about 2.5 gallons) per day was recommended for driving in the desert. Now back in Sacramento California. About a week ago, the temperature was 110F / 43C. Temperature in Death Valley was reported in a YT video as about 130F / 54C with people flocking there for the heat. I understand there were some deaths.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 4 дня назад
@@RobertJarecki The really big problem with Death Valley comes more from the humidity (or rather lack of it). I have personally seen humidity bellow 1% in Death Valley. It is so dry you really don't need a towel as when you get out of the pool, by the time you walk to where your towel is, you are already dry. It feels like you are not sweating because perspiration evaporates too quickly. On top of that, you don't feel thirsty. They don't call it Death Valley for nothing.
@countrygirlokla
@countrygirlokla Месяц назад
My dad lived in vegas for years when i was about 9-14urs old. We went threw death valley several times, usually during summer break. I remember my dad telling us as we drove past the sign that we could NEVER stop, NEVER turn off our car and if our car broke down to stay with the car and never walk away. I was terrified of death valley for years thinking everytime we drove threw we were gonna die. My dad always had like 6 gallons of water in the back at all times.. just in case for us or the car. Ive still never actually stopped there. I couldnt imagine the horror these ppl felt. 😥
@markr.1984
@markr.1984 17 дней назад
I learned to take an extra bottle of engine coolant too when in a very hot desert. Don't ask me how I know this....
@davidkeetz
@davidkeetz 10 дней назад
Omg yes. People don’t realize today just how dangerous it was to drive through there even on many of the paved roads back then. Cars today can easily handle it but just 30 years ago, the heat could easily take out a car and even if your cooling system held up, it could cause the fuel consumption to go way up and I remember when I was kid and we went through there, it was common for gas stations to be a hundred miles apart or more and they would often be closed, or closed at night so there was no messing around just getting through that area.
@babalonkie
@babalonkie Месяц назад
People who never give up finding the missing, who reject ending the search and want to bring closure, answers and the people back... they are the silent heroes.
@jojeanajaxon
@jojeanajaxon Месяц назад
You should look into David Paulides and the missing 411...if u haven't heard about all that yet. Very very intriguing stuff!
@dtaylor10chuckufarle
@dtaylor10chuckufarle Месяц назад
Exactly. And these two chaps got dope slapped for their efforts, instead of a simple "thank you".
@LarryCall-fq1db
@LarryCall-fq1db 29 дней назад
I extremely disagree. There is not a nary hero or heroin that is silent you fool. 4:56
@fredmullison4246
@fredmullison4246 29 дней назад
@@dtaylor10chuckufarle Yep. Not to mention the fact that it is entirely legal to hike the backcountry of the National Parks! Just be sure you know what you're doing and are fully prepared.
@earlofnacho
@earlofnacho 27 дней назад
whether or not a horse would’ve solved the pr
@Operngeist1
@Operngeist1 Месяц назад
As a German who's been to the US, I can tell you that we are not used to the sheer scale of things in the US. In Germany it's hard to go anywhere where there isn't some small village a few kilometers away at the most, and maybe 10 km from the nearest Autobahn. (Look up the English Calamity that happened in 1936 where a group of English students got 'lost' in the Black Forest, they met half a dozen people and came across several dwellings during their day of hiking. After the alarm was raised that they needed help, they were all found within 3 hours. (still too late for some)). Germany is on a entirely different scale than the US. For comparison: The biggest national park in Germany is 123 square miles, just NYC is over twice that with 300 sqm. They only had paper maps, and if they were only used to German maps, I can see how they misjudged the distances so severely. If there were lots of labeled point on them like the military base, they might have assumed that there was more infrastructure than there actually was. Also, they were used to kilometers, not miles. If they saw a distance of 8 miles and assumed it was just 8 kilometers (~5miles), that would have factored into how they determined if a trek was possible or not. Obviously they made bad choices and mistakes, they should have realized they were in over their heads waaaay before they even made it far into Death Valley. This is just for the people wondering how they thought this was a good idea. They probably had a completely different frame of reference with how they were judging distances and the weather. (Until the past couple of years, temperatures in the high 90ies were unheard of in Germany, that was a freak occurrence. When I was in school in the early 00s a day with 95F had kids rioting to be let out of school early (and I live in the very south in basically the hottest place in the entire country and that was unusually hot for us))
@dawnhoughton4533
@dawnhoughton4533 Месяц назад
I can't imagine having so many people and buildings around. I live in a large city in southern Arizona, but I'm out in the middle of nowhere in an hour.
@shelbyindianajones3226
@shelbyindianajones3226 Месяц назад
those of us on the east coast have a hard time too with the vast differences out west, so don't feel bad. have been all over Europe myself, never felt lost even when I was lost.
@jeanroeder5534
@jeanroeder5534 Месяц назад
Thanks for that explanation. It certainly does make sense. I lived on the East Coast and when I traveled to the west coast last winter, it was an extremely different terrain Arizona is nothing like Pennsylvania.
@GreenVegan816
@GreenVegan816 Месяц назад
Thanks for explaining those differences. It does make it clearer why they might have made the choices that they did. It's really sad what happened to them.
@ScottyEdwardsHulme
@ScottyEdwardsHulme Месяц назад
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@Killall12
@Killall12 23 дня назад
One thing worth noting, vans are actually significantly better at rough terrain than most would expect. They have a nice, long wheelbase and tend to be a bit "over built" at least relative to other vehicles that have similar purposes, like sedans. They also have pretty decent weight distribution for that sort of thing, just by nature of how they're designed. Not saying it's a suitable offroad vehicle, just that they're often significantly more capable vehicles than they would appear to be.
@Itried20takennames
@Itried20takennames Месяц назад
I think many in Europe get used to the idea that “countries” can be crossed in about a day, then believe that is true of the US….thereby drastically under-estimating the size of the US. I have on multiple occasions run into seemingly bright European travelers in the US who clearly did this. For example, family friends from the UK visiting my parent’s house near Washington DC asked if they could drive to see California “for the weekend” (thinking California was an afternoon drive away)….and they were shocked to hear it takes a week of full time driving to reach California, Or while at a scientific conference in Texas, a European at dinner said they were flying home out of New York City the next afternoon…..as they wanted to see NYC while in the US. They were surprised to hear that you can’t reach NYC from Texas in even 20 hours driving, let alone 6 hours,
@charlieross-BRM
@charlieross-BRM 13 дней назад
I've encountered that; back in the 1970s at a party in Glasgow. A distant relation was excited to hear I was from Canada because she had a future vacation planned to New Brunswick so she would "pop over" to visit me . . . in Toronto. Not going to happen - 15 hours behind the wheel now and much longer 50 years ago.
@user-kd9ld3rn4b
@user-kd9ld3rn4b 12 дней назад
Makes me wonder how German nazi were trying to cross Russia with such skewed view of geography.
@tagferret6898
@tagferret6898 12 дней назад
This is true even of many Americans. If they have never been out here to the southwest, folks from the eastern US often have no idea how big the states get. Seeing a map of it is one thing, but being in the middle of one of these vast expanses is something else altogether. Having lived in Tucson AZ and made many trips across Death Valley over the years, I can say with great certainty that people who have never been in these climates tend to underestimate how hostile they are to human life.
@Smulenify
@Smulenify 9 дней назад
It's kinda the same with people planning road trips in Norway, including Americans. Since the country is fairly small, about the same size as Japan, people assume they can see the whole country in a short period of time. Mostly people from central Europe, and the US/Canada. The Europeans because they're used to highways and everything being close, and Americans because they're used to the long distances on open highways. But driving through Norway takes a long time due to the mountains and fjords. Things look close on a map, but it's deceptive due to the terrain and roads. It's quicker to drive from southern Norway to Rome, than it is to drive to northern Norway (and usually that involves driving through Sweden and Finland to save time). You can wave to someone across a fjord, and it can take 3 hours to drive to them. People make assumptions based on what they're used to, which is often a good thing in your own environment, but not such a good thing when you're far away from home.
@jdove6883
@jdove6883 8 дней назад
Don't they study maps? Embarrassing.
@ANPC-pi9vu
@ANPC-pi9vu Месяц назад
There's actually a somewhat common problem of people on poorly maintained desert roads getting confused by a wash, thinking it is another road. There's actually been a lot of deaths not from hikers but from drivers who turned off a road onto a wash and didn't realize it until they are lost or stuck. It's a well known phenomenon because sometimes people with cell phones are able to get a signal and call for help if they aren't too remote. It's just the way the run off paths during the rare rains causes these smooth natural paths through the landscape that with other atmospheric factors can look indistinguishable from man made dirt roads.
@Lugeix
@Lugeix Месяц назад
Nan Dixion being one?
@karlaisonfire
@karlaisonfire Месяц назад
Wow, i had no clue how it is made. Thank you!
@Rainy-In-The-Desert
@Rainy-In-The-Desert Месяц назад
​@@Lugeix I highly doubt Nan Dixon's disappearance was from bad driving. Pieces of electrical tape, some had hair and possible human tissue attached. Bloodstains in the trunk and wheels and other places. An unsigned suicide note.. I'm not convinced her death was an accident. It just doesn't add up
@jimizxztheorginal
@jimizxztheorginal Месяц назад
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@anniec3778
@anniec3778 Месяц назад
Good to know…
@christopherstimpson6540
@christopherstimpson6540 Месяц назад
It's named Death Valley for a reason. It should be avoided during summer.
@luciemarinov129
@luciemarinov129 Месяц назад
Common sense , right??😂
@dub2536
@dub2536 Месяц назад
"Survival of the fittest" both mentaly and physically. right?! RIP. Sad.
@JustSara376
@JustSara376 Месяц назад
Wait you mean people die there? I thought they named it that to be clever. 😂
@Nilboggen
@Nilboggen Месяц назад
Not really safe to visit off trails and roads at anytime. Most dangerous thing about Death Valley now is the 10,000-50,000 abandoned mines you can fall into.
@dub2536
@dub2536 Месяц назад
@@JustSara376 i would "lol" if it wasnt sad.
@SHTFchef
@SHTFchef 21 день назад
Tourists do the strangest things. While hiking I ran across a family from Japan that had wandered onto a jeep trail in the Pike National Forest near where I live. Their car was high centered and they had to walk a few miles to cell coverage and call someone to come get them. I'm sure that was a bad day.
@jameswalker199
@jameswalker199 7 дней назад
Isn't america known for having unkempt roads? A disused goat track might be a reasonable consideration when you've been driving on cracked tarmac riddled with scars and squares of a few decades patchwork.
@iotatq3728
@iotatq3728 4 дня назад
​@jameswalker199 possible, but National Parks are very clear about where visitors can and cannot go. After passing through this same desert by car in the summer, to get to Vegas, I can confirm it isn't exciting or inviting at all.
@StephBer1
@StephBer1 24 дня назад
My father owned a cattle station in the 1960s in one of the hottest areas of the Northern Territory in Australia. His best friend, Uncle Paul, was the local Police Officer in the last small town in the area, about 6 hours drive away, before travelling into the true Red Centre. Dad was driving along the road and came across some English tourists, a family with 4 young children. Their car had overheated in the middle of the day because the radiator had run out of water. He gave them water because they had less than a gallon for the entire family and car. Their only food was a few sandwiches the mum had made. Remember that this was a time before airconditioned cars. They seemed oblivious to how dangerous their situation was. The father said they were "on an adventure". They were going to drive through the town and then onto the red centre. Dad got the car going and asked them to say hi to the Police Officer in the town for him and he'll look after them. They were very thankful. He saw them off then radioed his mate and told him a group of insane tourists were on the way to see him. His friend talked to the couple, realised how daft and totally unprepared they were, and told the father that if he didn't get his car checked, get properly provisioned and drive back to the city he would arrest him for child endangerment. Whether the tourist realised it or not, after the grumbles, Dad and his friend did look after them. Dad and Uncle Paul, and many of the locals had been part of search and rescue efforts a few times for crazy tourists, and Uncle Paul did all he could to stop them when they had young children.
@ReSearcherSusie
@ReSearcherSusie Месяц назад
The first rule in Search & Rescue is: Do Not Make Yourself Another Victim. We’re taught that on day 1 and it’s drilled into us by our instructors.
@CareyKuhlmey-qj5vi
@CareyKuhlmey-qj5vi Месяц назад
When the browns are down, 😅don't come around. Browns are Sheriff Deputies in trouble.
@cosmoray9750
@cosmoray9750 Месяц назад
Intriguing German story. Look up this below story on YT. What were there favoritism, discrimination and superior pressure against him. What are they trying to hide and why isn't the perpetrator charged... ? 🤔 Why did the perpetrator still get to keep his job ? 🤨 " San Francisco firefighter describes brutal attack by colleague - EXCLUSIVE "
@noonespecial1285
@noonespecial1285 Месяц назад
#1 Safety
@randystache78
@randystache78 20 дней назад
I commend you for signing up for this sort of thing. Takes a caring person.
@TooTallForPony
@TooTallForPony 19 дней назад
Mahood worked with the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit for a while, so he was definitely familiar with this rule. Edit: this is now the second time that I've written something about him mere seconds before Kyle mentions it in the video.
@evafleury5538
@evafleury5538 Месяц назад
The children likely succumbed a day or so before the adults. I think the reason that no one found their remains is that the parents might have buried them knowing they'd likely never be found.
@myfirstnamemylastname2994
@myfirstnamemylastname2994 Месяц назад
Yes totally agree. it wouldn't have taken much and the alternative would have been to leave the babies on that open plain of sand and seeing those lonely little bodies Disappearing behind them would have been too much. So even knowing they were wasting precious Time and body water they would have dug little holes with their hands ---unless they held them until they died too And all were scattered by the same means. Small dehydrated bones don't weigh much and could easily be blown around just like sand.
@jameswalker199
@jameswalker199 7 дней назад
Alternatively, and it's a grim thought, they are small enough that they could have just been dragged off by wild animals. I don't know how much actually lives out there, but some sort of small wild dog or fox could be possible in that environment, or more likely large carrion birds come in and carry away most of them.
@bensmith5720
@bensmith5720 7 дней назад
Exactly i bet the accidentally bumped into a cartel trafficking something they shouldn't have seen
@buggo_boi
@buggo_boi 7 дней назад
@@jameswalker199 Coyotes are a plausibility, but if they weren't buried, I would also bet vultures.
@buggo_boi
@buggo_boi 7 дней назад
@@bensmith5720 Not a chance. The area is so remote and hostile no other human would live out there. No shot they encountered anything other than wildlife and a complete lack of water.
@tedwlkr8
@tedwlkr8 Месяц назад
I can't imagine the pure horror of this situation. I was 5 yrs old when my family drove from Michigan to Disneyland in 1970. In a 1970 Plymouth Cuda. No A/C. I remember riding in the backseat through a desert. Don't know which one, but the road was a straight line as far as you can see. The mirage effect and misery index was fully engaged. My little brother and I had to be let out to puke numerous times. I remember the hot air blowing on me in the backseat as we drove. On the way back to Michigan, we took a route through the northern part of U.S. Wyoming, North Dakota, and so on. We never had a car without A/C again.
@RobertJarecki
@RobertJarecki 4 дня назад
@tedwlkr8 Somewhere in the Texas panhandle there are two sets of clothes buried. Traveling from California to New Jersey in a new 1956 Ford station wagon (no AC), I was between Dad and Mom in the front seat. I started saying I was going to throw up. Dad wouldn't stop bc he said I was faking. Mom said, "Okay,just throw up on your father." Dad didn't stop and I did as I was told.
@peterfazio9306
@peterfazio9306 Месяц назад
Tom Mahood is heroic. This man deserves the highest praise.
@HeatherHolt
@HeatherHolt Месяц назад
Thinking of those poor babies in the heat, not understanding what’s happening to them, probably seeing their parents freaking out. Breaks my heart.
@giabarrone7422
@giabarrone7422 Месяц назад
Hopefully they were given the alcohol to numb them towards the end.
@angelacrabtree2847
@angelacrabtree2847 17 дней назад
Not just the heat. While deserts get really hot in the day they get very cold at night.
@di115
@di115 10 дней назад
babies are dumb they probably had no idea what is happening
@angelacrabtree2847
@angelacrabtree2847 10 дней назад
@@di115 We are talking about basic senses neccessary for survival. Babies know when they are thirsty. They know when they are hungry. They know when they are uncomfortable. Uncomfortably wet, soiled, hot, cold, hurt, tired. What they wouldn't understand it why those things weren't being corrected and that would be scary for the 5 yr old. They are aware of those things at birth because those things evolved to keep you alive.
@jdove6883
@jdove6883 8 дней назад
The husband/father was 100 percent to blame for this.
@arminiusgratis9439
@arminiusgratis9439 Месяц назад
Actually, it was stuck on a old dirt road that followed a dry wash back to Warm Springs Camp on the main road. It had been closed by the Park Rangers for at least 10 years to reclaim the land. The van was stuck near the Geologists' Cabin. The German male didn't know that the track (road) was closed because his map showed it as a short cut back to Warm Springs Camp.
@leahlewis6487
@leahlewis6487 Месяц назад
Are u thinking he went that short cut and didn’t realize the cabin was near?
@suzannetf
@suzannetf Месяц назад
​@@leahlewis6487I seem to remember from the blog that this contributed to why the search was so off. The family had stopped or signed a logbook at a cabin they had passed and I think the place was still stocked. So they maybe could have hunkered down there a for awhile which is why the military base theory became so significant. The guy didn't just want shelter, but people.
@christow7989
@christow7989 Месяц назад
Valid reason to check your map for recent printing. Make sure you're not using an old map
@drunkchicken8636
@drunkchicken8636 Месяц назад
@@suzannetf The military base is like 39 miles away and not 9 miles. I don't think that was a part of the Germans story. I think they came across real trafficing criminals or were followed to that location, taken and father was left to die.
@glow1815
@glow1815 29 дней назад
​@@suzannetfyes you're correct. I watched a RU-vidr channel he told and explained from A to Z. They got to the cabin but they never stayed etc.
@SpecialEDy
@SpecialEDy 28 дней назад
I kept a 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager I inherited from my parents. They came with AWD as an option, I have it on mine. Ive pulled an F250 with a tandem axle trailer out of the mud with my van, Ive pulled a Silverado stuck at the bottom of a wet/grassy embankment back onto the highway with my van, and Ive "pulled" a flatbed towtruck with its front wheels burried up to the axles in mud back onto dry ground. Mine also has 436,000 miles. Theyre amazing vans. With the cast iron V6, its definitely a vehicle that will safely carry you to hell and back.
@JerryJacobsen
@JerryJacobsen 24 дня назад
In this case, their van didn't have the clearance to go up Mengel Pass. That's why they had to turn around.
@jdove6883
@jdove6883 8 дней назад
I'll stick with my Jeep Wrangler.
@loghog4392
@loghog4392 Месяц назад
I'm a logger in northern California's remote mountains. The things I've seen people do. My favorite from them, "It's fine, we have four wheel drive." My favorite from me (a few hours later after I go looking for them), "Well... you can stay here with your stuck four wheel drive and die or you can let me rescue you. Your choice." And some of them stay with their rig. They're usually a little more open to being rescued the next day after spending a freezing night in their rig.LOL
@JKHTX
@JKHTX 8 дней назад
4wd gets you stuck twice as far
@SandiKlein
@SandiKlein Месяц назад
I was in rural Thailand, our group met a German woman who invited us to hike to the other side of the island, through the jungle, a local man offered to take us in a boat as he said there were big snakes in the jungle, that was enough for me but the woman insisted he was ripping us off and we should hike, I went a short distance where I couldn’t even see my feet then said forget it. She was pissed, thinking us whimps lol, better a live whimp than a snake dinner😱
@fernfunk
@fernfunk Месяц назад
a precarious situation when a german’s frugal nature and love of hiking converges! 😂
@lealovesthesea
@lealovesthesea Месяц назад
I was the only American in a resort filled with Germans. They loved us because they told us the Germans never tipped.
@HiDefHDMusic
@HiDefHDMusic Месяц назад
@@lealovestheseaAmericans are the only ones who really do, it’s considered backwards in most of the civilized world.
@pohjanakka4992
@pohjanakka4992 Месяц назад
@@lealovesthesea I tend to forget to tip too when I am in countries where tipping is the custom because it just isn't done in my country. Finland. As far as I know the German culture is similar, tipping has become a lost custom because most times you pay for some sort of service a service fee is included in the bill. This has happened here during my lifetime, when I was a child in the 60s and early 70s I remember my parents leaving a tip for the waiters in restaurants at least, but when I started to go out by myself it was no longer done by anybody. But the end result is that when I visit countries where you are supposed to leave a tip, first, I tend to forget the whole thing completely sometimes, second, I most times have no idea who to tip or how much to tip, so often enough I will not leave a tip when I am probably supposed to, either just because I don't think about it, or because I am not sure if I should, or how much would be appropriate, and then may end up leaving without tipping just because it seems the easiest route, and besides I have never been exactly rich so my travel funds are usually on the low side so I am not fond of the idea of doing something like tipping when it maybe would not have been necessary, or of giving more than would have been necessary either. Most times I remember to tip waiters, but that is one of the few situations when I am most likely to remember to do it. And that is mostly due to American movies and television serials. I suppose it's even a stronger association for generations younger than I am - as said, there was at least some tipping still done here when I was a child - who probably would have no idea that such a custom even exists anywhere without American movies, but due to those may connect it only to America. Would actually be kind of nice if places like resorts in those countries would have lists for "who, when, and how much to tip" available, or visible around the place.
@janemiettinen5176
@janemiettinen5176 Месяц назад
In her defense I gotta say scamming tourists is almost like an acceptable hobby in Thailand. My (Finnish) mom has spent her winters there for a decade now and shes been had a few times, the attempts are in the double digits. There is plenty of good people in Thailand, but when even the police takes part in it, its not a good look. But yeah, I think I wouldve taken the boat ride too, not a fan of wondering in thick jungle in that eternal heat :)
@unropednope4644
@unropednope4644 Месяц назад
Legitimately one of the most heartbreaking and tragic but totally preventable cases in national parks history. I worked in Death Valley National Park for 3 years as a ranger before transfering and the amount of tourists who tried to hike with very little water was astounding. I personally was part of 2 missing persons/body recoverys while there in the mid 2000s.
@jr.6199
@jr.6199 Месяц назад
I know you mean well but I use the term visitor or resident, when I rescue people.
@Sam4got
@Sam4got Месяц назад
Heartbreaking.
@krissblissteav
@krissblissteav 26 дней назад
A lot of people do not realize that water doesn't really hydrate you. We've been lied to. Our body is mostly water. The H30 in fruit hydrates Your body better than water.So no matter how much water you take it could still be your fate out in those conditions This versus water and fruit and because we have been lied to the entire time about water And not been told the truth about H30. This is why no matter how much water in that heat like that, It will not work as good as H30 in fruit.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 21 день назад
Yup, always make sure you learn about the conditions in the area you visit and make appropriate preparations. Things can be very, very different elsewhere.
@corbeau-_-
@corbeau-_- 15 дней назад
I just don't get it, how people can be so ignorant. Hiking in extreme and unknown environments, as a recreational activity. With children... But then again, every year you hear about people leaving dogs, children in cars, while they go shopping, whatever. Autopilot, something like that...
@sparkynate91
@sparkynate91 18 дней назад
I'm an eagle scout with over 800 miles of hiking while doing that. After i turned 18 i continued hiking and im 33 now. I've hiked places all across America. I always warn foreigners to be extra careful when hiking because our trails and our parks can be thousands of miles or millions of acres. Sometimes people don't realize how truly large and sparce a lot of America is
@kerryroberts9455
@kerryroberts9455 Месяц назад
I think he did an extraordinary job in preparation and finding the IDs/bones. I realized he put himself in danger but it’s his puzzle solving just knowing where to look, incredible!
@margeebechyne8642
@margeebechyne8642 Месяц назад
I can understand why the authorities got angry, but the man is a hero!! I'm a third generation Angeleno and I can tell you, Death Valley is even dangerous in the winter. I feel so bad for them, tourists from a very different country just trying to have a wonderful, memorable vacation. So sad. Thank you for always being compassionate when relaying these tales.
@1991Yunaleska
@1991Yunaleska 6 дней назад
As a German... You don't need to feel bad for them. Look at Germany today and let's say... They were saved from that. But it is nice to see compassion. Keep yourself and your precious ones safe. No one can save the dumb and nature wins in the end. Make it a lesson for others.
@randomone4832
@randomone4832 5 дней назад
@@1991YunaleskaBruh, they would have definitely preferred to be alive today.
@caliwagg1898
@caliwagg1898 День назад
Wtf are you on about Germany today? You think it’s worse than DEATH VALLEY?
@margeebechyne8642
@margeebechyne8642 День назад
@@caliwagg1898 I believe he was talking politics, not weather.
@basicivmatt917
@basicivmatt917 Месяц назад
Death Valley National Park is 3M+ acres, China Lake NAWS is 1M+ acres most of which is untouched. They got close to a boundary between vast nothingness and more vast nothingness.
@kentuckyace1068
@kentuckyace1068 11 дней назад
A boundary between nothingness and nothingness with UXO
@NoodlyPanda
@NoodlyPanda Месяц назад
I've hiked numerous times in Phoenix which has two seasons. Summer and Super Summer. I can imagine what it's like to have a hike in Death Valley National Park. When I lived in Phoenix visitors would look at me like I was crazy for wearing a long sleeved shirt and jeans while they were wearing shorts and t-shirts. Jokes on them, I was cooled down while they were overheating and suffering heat strokes.
@michaelmoore7975
@michaelmoore7975 Месяц назад
See? If it had been a 4-wheel drive, nobody would've ever found it because it would've been even further from civilization.
@susan7775
@susan7775 Месяц назад
Most Europeans have no real concept of the vastness of the desert, nor the heat. It was so sad
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 Месяц назад
Oh yeah? You done a study to determine what most Europeans conceptualize the desert as? How did you go about this? What was the parameters of the control group?
@daenwallace5487
@daenwallace5487 Месяц назад
@@bradsanders407 Well, as a German I think he's right. As a smaller country I often think in smaller numbers when it comes to distances to be honest.
@tophers3756
@tophers3756 Месяц назад
​​@@daenwallace5487 I've heard similar from Europeans generally. When planning a US trip that requires overland travel -- especially a first trip -- they often don't conceptualize the distances involved.
@nancymorris3286
@nancymorris3286 Месяц назад
Makes sense.​@daenwallace5487
@astrofiggy2321
@astrofiggy2321 Месяц назад
what i think is the vastness of the desert it really hard to grabs how big it really is
@ANPC-pi9vu
@ANPC-pi9vu Месяц назад
The children were probably small enough for scavenging animals to scatter their remains easier than that of the adults. The elements also destroy DNA in the picked over bones, which is why it's not a surprise that the incomplete remains were only enough to identify one of them. The few animals that venture into that barren landscape will make the most of remains. Also, pretty sure vultures are known to break apart and scatter bones when they eat the marrow as well as the contents of skulls. So yeah... You aren't going to find much of a person unless you find them fairly quickly. What a sad case and horrific death.
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 Месяц назад
Id be willing to bet they were burried to prevent that very thing from happening. They certainly would have died first.
@todayslist37737
@todayslist37737 Месяц назад
​@@bradsanders407Or he died first from drinking beer in the heat and the lady kept going with kids. I doubt she would leave her entire wallet as a breadcrumb tho.
@Ydce1891
@Ydce1891 Месяц назад
I was thinking the same thing. Their bodies would be easy for predators
@no_peace
@no_peace Месяц назад
I'm not really comfortable saying this but since you brought it up. Several years ago I had to drive down the same country road every day over a few seasons. It was not that hot up there in summer when I first started going that way, and the road was in the shade because of all the trees. There was a struck deer on the side of the road. It was not there that long, less than 6 months. No service picked it up bc it was a neglected rural road. It just disintegrated and got pulled apart and I noted the condition each drive. I always thought there would be evidence of missing people for, like, 150 years or more if you could find where they had expired or been placed. But if they are near the surface they will be basically totally gone pretty quickly :( The thing that protects them is burial. But then you can't find them in the first place
@riftvallance2087
@riftvallance2087 Месяц назад
Could be , the adults could have left the children somewhere they considered" safe and carried on within them as time was a factor and they would have been slowing them down. Id assume they fully believed they would make it to the base and receive rescue.
@bulletsforteeth5029
@bulletsforteeth5029 27 дней назад
If Law Enforcement doesn't want the publics help, then they should stop asking for it.
@JKHTX
@JKHTX 8 дней назад
They only want help when it doesn't threaten their job security
@bulletsforteeth5029
@bulletsforteeth5029 7 дней назад
@@JKHTX BINGO!💥
@lucadupras1640
@lucadupras1640 Месяц назад
Thank you for making this channel, I myself lost someone to a tragic hiking accident. I believe these incidents are more common, and the public should be informed on the dangers of mother nature and how serious we need to take outdoor adventures. Thank you for giving warnings and explaining risks of the wild.
@corbeau-_-
@corbeau-_- 15 дней назад
it's like parents leaving their child in a hot car, a gun in an unsafe spot, hot tea on the table... No amount of warning will help, it's the incidental death which teaches most people - sadly. Like seeing is believing. Most of these people must have been told, or could've known. DEATH valley...
@danayneal4409
@danayneal4409 Месяц назад
Finding a bottle in a desert is like finding a needle in a haystack. And they found three. Thats impressive.
@sandy-quimsrus
@sandy-quimsrus Месяц назад
I don't know, in Australia we have signs for tourists like 400 kilometres to the next petrol station. To pass this point have at least 2 spare tyres, 20 litres of water, in case of an emergency NEVER leave your car, call this number to tell the local police of your plans etc.
@MadJustin7
@MadJustin7 Месяц назад
We have similar signs in the South Western U.S. Next Gas Station 100 miles, Turn off AC next 20 miles to avoid overheating, Call this Number for Weather information. Doesn't mean tourists read them or bother to follow them.
@MadJustin7
@MadJustin7 Месяц назад
@@M60gunner1971 Take your meds
@Matilda-y
@Matilda-y Месяц назад
@@M60gunner1971 what the …???
@Matilda-y
@Matilda-y Месяц назад
Yay for Australia 🦘
@elaexplorer
@elaexplorer Месяц назад
This is a national park. There aren't any services outside of the main entrances. There are many dirt roads for explorers and it's easy to mistake a wash for a road.
@cindatelis
@cindatelis Месяц назад
It passes me how people think cellular service is infallible even when they have issues in major cities. I used to work for a cellular provider in customer service and would always explain it like this ‘if there are more cows/trees/bushes than people, dont expect good cellular service, if ANY. Sparsely populated areas will not have good cellular service. When in doubt, DONT.
@lh3540
@lh3540 26 дней назад
this was 1996. personal cell phones were almost unheard of.
@AllisterCaine
@AllisterCaine 31 минуту назад
Better spend some money on an iridium if you are really going out into the nothingness.
@travisbishop3593
@travisbishop3593 Месяц назад
If it wasn't for the fact that it was 1996, I'd have blamed Apple Maps on this.
@kaboom4679
@kaboom4679 Месяц назад
Or Google maps . I use them both , mostly for entertainment purposes , and I am rarely disappointed . I routinely get directed to the lost convoluted route , told to make illegal or simply impossible maneuvers , and inexplicably routed to random destinations I never requested . But only Google tells you to turn left , while displaying a directional arrow to turn right , or , vice versa . I strongly suspect both apps are responsible for a whole lot of missing person cases , in addition to epic tales from users , about adventures they never intended to have , in places they never intended to go .
@glow1815
@glow1815 29 дней назад
​@AlWorth9738💯 % true. That happened to me it told me I was at my destination when it was actually a DEAD END road. Second time it took me to the wrong address, the address no longer exist. 3rd time it got me going mary go round looking for an address never got there. Forth time there isn't one lol I stopped using Google since then. Very useless. Best app I use is WAZE always arrived to my destinations every time. WAZE provides you short cuts. Road updates in real times and so much more. Never a disappointment ever.
@gladeloy3341
@gladeloy3341 22 дня назад
Map quest.
@HarpersInfiniteSystems
@HarpersInfiniteSystems Месяц назад
They locked the van that was undrivable in the middle of one of the most remote places on earth. "If I could drive out here, so can the thieves."
@BriannWhitee-du2gy
@BriannWhitee-du2gy Месяц назад
Yeah i was wondering about that detail it doesn’t make sense but it’s probably just out of habit or something
@tablescissors
@tablescissors Месяц назад
​@@BriannWhitee-du2gy or in case they mightve thought they'd be back
@klospike
@klospike Месяц назад
I, as a native German, can say that this is a total normal behaviour. I think/know, I also would have locked the car, especially when it is a rentet car. The fact that I´m in the dessert, with 3 flat tires and sand til the axles, does NOT change the fact that I´m responsible for the (rentet) car. I can´t let it alone in the desser WITHOUT locking it :-))
@DrunkComments
@DrunkComments Месяц назад
I laughed out loud too 😂
@Hilaire_Balrog
@Hilaire_Balrog Месяц назад
@@klospikethat’s so german . I’m saying that with love for Germans.😊
@Olga-du8hw
@Olga-du8hw Месяц назад
Tourist maps can be hard to read. My boyfriend and I got lost one winter while hiking from Govetts Leap to Evan’s Lookout in the Blue Mountains in Australia. He had purchased a new book about day hikes, and we followed the instructions down to the floor of the valley, but couldn’t find the way back up. The sun was setting so finding shelter was a challenge. We finally found a rocky overhang with a dead tree leaning against it. Fortunately I had been a Scout and never went hiking without high energy foodsAND MATCHES. We took turns all night napping or keeping the fire going in the near freezing conditions. In the morning we still couldn’t find the way out by following the book, so we retraced our steps and made it out safely. Oh yeah, and we threw the book away!
@HackersSun
@HackersSun День назад
well that terrified the poo outta me
@JesusRunsMyHouse
@JesusRunsMyHouse 21 день назад
I've been through Death Valley one time and kept going. The last two signs you see is no gas or water for 100 miles and Remember to turn your air conditioners off. Me and ex were long haul drivers and it was 120 degrees of the most hellish heat I've ever experienced in my life. First time and the last time
@KM-un8oj
@KM-un8oj 29 дней назад
OMG...I live in Arizona and I canNOT believe that people from a cold country like Germany would want to go to Vegas and Death Valley IN JULY!!!!...I'm originally from MN and it was common knowledge up there that these places are fall, winter and spring break places ONLY....it's called Death Valley FOR A REASON y'all....
@TheHikeChoseMe
@TheHikeChoseMe 55 минут назад
because europeans are arrogant af and cant comprehend how vast america is.
@lukeGGlee
@lukeGGlee Месяц назад
That was nice of the rental car company to not say anything for a whole month but not in this situation
@cdes1776
@cdes1776 Месяц назад
I agree. They would've known they were tourists but not sure if they knew the destination.
@Dram1984
@Dram1984 Месяц назад
Rental car companies have cars stolen from them all the time, it just goes to collections and gets processed by some employee. A month sounds reasonable.
@peaceseeker52
@peaceseeker52 Месяц назад
I rented a car at the Nashville Airport but when I got there they upgraded me to a cherry red convertible with 23 miles on it. I asked the lot guy to trade it for something "less bold" as I was heading to libraries and small town cemeteries outside Nashville. He did and I had a great week and went to take the car back and was told " Oh you have that. Glad you brought it back it wasn't signed out properly so we had no idea who had it or when to expect it back." That flashed back to a Uhaul trailer with my husband's grandmother's effects we got home late Sunday evening and parked it on the Street in front of our house. It was due back by Tuesday. Neighbor decided to call in that there was a stolen truck and Uhaul came and towed it with the papers in the glove box. Police had said there was no report of call for a tow so it was a private tow. Called Uhaul and at first they didn't want to tell us they towed it then they would not go get the papers out of the glove box to see we had it until Tues. Then they tried to tell us we should have called them and told them it was on town. New rule just for us. We threatened to call the police if they did not let us take it and empty it before bringing it back. The Uhaul place was not a place we wanted to.leave a loaded truck overnight while they decided "what to do". I immediately had visions of ending up in jail in Nashville for Grand Theft Auto with only my words as to how it happened.
@wrosebrock
@wrosebrock Месяц назад
Why did the neighbor presume it was stolen ? ​@@peaceseeker52
@dustyc324
@dustyc324 Месяц назад
I had a rental one day past my contract due to insurance company issues. they called me and reported the car stolen immediately. I had to leave work and drive back to the rental car place to sign a new contract and them to tell the police it wasn't stolen anymore. I couldn't believe it.
@lesliejackson9117
@lesliejackson9117 Месяц назад
We go to Death Valley every year in Jan/Feb. My Dad was the assistant to the Director of Furnace Creek Inn in 1935. I have deep roots! But NEVER in the summer.
@whoobibi
@whoobibi 25 дней назад
Oh please. What the government doesn't like is competition. Nothing they hate worse than having a "citizen" or "civilian" show them up.
@brian-pu3yy
@brian-pu3yy 16 дней назад
The government would rather they were never found.
@corbeau-_-
@corbeau-_- 15 дней назад
i don't know. Many people want to be a hero, but most should be discouraged. It's what government is, a brake for the reckless. Sadly, I've seen quite a few people drown (online) when they tried to rescue someone who wasn't even in 'a lot' of trouble. You have to be very cautious, experienced/trained, well prepared - and then it's still risky. Most of the people working for such parts of government have good hearts. But the very thing it is designed for is also its achilles' heel. It's people...
@tjenahoj
@tjenahoj 14 дней назад
Indeed. Government is not our friend and it hates competition. Never expect to get anything but more governmenting when you do something for the government.
@tagferret6898
@tagferret6898 12 дней назад
I think you're confusing "government" (bureaucracy) with "government employee" (individual law enforcement officer). I can assure you that a LEO hates having to search the desert for another dead body more than he/she hates "competition." I'd bet that the only thing the "authorities" were actually upset with was that they had not been notified that someone WAS going out there to search -- so that if something went wrong they would know in a timely enough fashion that they could mount a rescue mission rather than a body recovery. You really DON'T want to have to go deal with a body that has been dead in the desert heat for more than a few hours...
@MTimWeaver
@MTimWeaver 22 дня назад
I read the guy's blog...wow. You could do another video on what happened after Ms. Meyer's remains were found. That was a LOT of work over a very long time. The dedication to finding them is commendable.
@siennaadustus5889
@siennaadustus5889 Месяц назад
Great to see Tom Mahood get a shout out. I found his blog during lock down and was fascinated both by the story of the Death Valley Germans and his descriptions of his adventures looking for them. I'm here because of him. He kick started my interest in the American wilderness that had lain dormant since I watched Grizzly Adams as a child (yes I'm old).
@psychette8846
@psychette8846 Месяц назад
YAAAA GRIZZLEY ADAMS!!!!!!!
@LAWandCoach
@LAWandCoach Месяц назад
Grizzly Adams!! As a child I had always planned on living in the wilderness hoping to run into Grizzly Adams so we could become a team and hike around the uninhabited wilderness making friends with the animals and of course some Native Americans along the way. I grew up and have been hiking around the wilderness (not full time and not homeless) needless to say no Grizzly Adams but lots of animals some friendlier than others . Not many near death experiences and I have never gotten lost except almost in the Maine woods. Going away from the bear got me back on track. Nice to see there are still people out there who were affected by Grizzly Adams.
@psychette8846
@psychette8846 Месяц назад
@@LAWandCoach As a kid we had a massive Newfoundland dog. Because of Grizzly Adams people thought country folk lived with bears and when people got lost they would drive up to our farm for directions and the massive newfie would run up to the car and the people never got out as they didn't want to be eaten by a bear.
@ms.rockscientist5915
@ms.rockscientist5915 Месяц назад
I'm living out my lifelong dream of living remotely inspired by Grizzly Adams, as well as the Wilderness Family Robinson. 💕
@carolynjiminez1247
@carolynjiminez1247 Месяц назад
Dan Haggerty was a hunk!!
@CraigBaughan-mg3hf
@CraigBaughan-mg3hf Месяц назад
Ambient temp of 107 degrees, but the flat sand may exceed 140 degrees, and reflected heat may create an oven effect in spots. It's cooler to walk at night, but it's too hot to sleep in the daytime. There are others to think about.
@christow7989
@christow7989 Месяц назад
There is a shallow shelter you can make in the sand to keep cooler during the day. You need a folding shovel and a poncho. I venture that many or most people don't know about this. It pays to have a survival app on your phone. Study and memorize it if you can't take a paper copy. These manuals can increase your survivability in many adverse situations
@CraigBaughan-mg3hf
@CraigBaughan-mg3hf Месяц назад
@@christow7989 Clear plastic may be used to improvise a solar still in many deserts. Headliners and carpet are not real expensive, and hubcaps can be used to dig and for signaling. There are floor mats to keep the feet from getting burned. But in Death Valley, there would still be only a day or so to reach better ground.
@harrywalker968
@harrywalker968 Месяц назад
sht honey, lets take a trip to death valley, sounds exiting, yeh, o.k. do your research, before you step out the fkn door.. i wander who, they told were they were going, or did anyone warn them.. not even the car rental.. it should be closed or have bloody big signs.. do not enter between bla, bla, make sure you have 300 gallons of water, & a sat ph.. record your trip with a ranger station.. same as planes.. we get the same sht here in aus. tourists die in the desert..even locals..
@CraigBaughan-mg3hf
@CraigBaughan-mg3hf Месяц назад
@@harrywalker968 And they made a few wrong turns,
@drunkchicken8636
@drunkchicken8636 Месяц назад
We used to go ATV'ing at Dumont dunes when it was 107 degrees. Big deal. it's when you ran out of beer, I mean water is when it got hot. Dunes are 30 miles north of Baker, CA in Death Valley.
@sparklerbc9898
@sparklerbc9898 Месяц назад
about 14 years ago i drove several miles down a deserted dirt road in death valley to get to an overlook. after seeing a few videos like this, i can safely say that is not anything i'll ever do again.
@jameswitham3248
@jameswitham3248 20 дней назад
I know you've covered a whole host of stories now, and there have been several with families / children, but this one has hit me particularly hard... Being a parent myself I can't even begin to imagine what they'd have gone through... Thanks for sharing, Kyle. These stories are always interesting but this was especially intriguing, and I'm glad there's some sort of conclusion in this case, thanks to the hard work of Tom, his friend, and everyone else involved...
@maxssister1985
@maxssister1985 Месяц назад
The baby and child breaks me… so much suffering and by no mistake of their own. 💔💔💔 I couldn’t imagine watching my baby die and know I couldn’t do anything to help them besides die alongside them, so far from home….
@susantharaldson529
@susantharaldson529 Месяц назад
Seeing the picture of the mother and her child I questioned when it had been taken. She looked so sad. Her child happy. Such different responses to a common experience. Her face is flushed and the child appears to be wearing a shirt on his head as a sun guard. Was this photo taken on that fatal trip? So sad.
@joanndaprile9076
@joanndaprile9076 Месяц назад
​@susantharaldson529 that had to be an old photo bc Kyle said her child, a son, was I think either 4 or 9 years old, and the man's son was 11. I am not certain of the kids exact ages he told us, but they were a lot older than in the pictures shown.
@tinaroberts5858
@tinaroberts5858 Месяц назад
​@@susantharaldson529I agree. The mother looked so sad.
@snowmiaow
@snowmiaow Месяц назад
​@@susantharaldson529She looks unhappy.
@dustydesert1674
@dustydesert1674 Месяц назад
His son was 11 and her son was 4. It would be horrible if the parents died first and the little ones would have no clue what to do. Coyotes are everywhere and desert nights are full of a universe of stars and the howling of coyotes - otherwise silence.
@shaestewart5261
@shaestewart5261 Месяц назад
Whilst it’s not quite the same in terms of a long time mystery, this particular story reminds me of something that happened in my home state of Oregon not too terribly long ago. In 2006, the Kim family was driving from the Seattle area, where they had spent Thanksgiving, to the Oregon coast. They missed their exit and, due to poor weather conditions, became stuck on a logging road they initially believed to be an alternative route. Unfortunately, Mr Kim ultimately lost his life after hiking out into the elements to find help. The rest of the family was okay because they were rescued after a few days. I think many people consider the mystery and tragedy of this story to be the fact that Mr Kim decided to hike out so soon; this is because people knew where they were headed and the family was expected to arrive there in a certain amount of time. This knowledge is what ultimately lead to the rest of the family’s rescue. It’s still a little unclear why Mr Kim made the decision he did. Similarly to the missing Germans, I believe one Mrs Kim stated that, after looking at a map, they believed to they were much closer to an area inhabited by other humans than they were in reality.
@patricesmith3889
@patricesmith3889 Месяц назад
I remember that story. If I'm not mistaken they burned their tires thinking it could be seen from the sky. ( It didn't work) Then a bear came around and they were running out of food. I think they found him face down in a river. Very sad 😢🥺
@dirtrider9268
@dirtrider9268 Месяц назад
you skipped the most important part of that rescue, his tech industry friends used the first ever method of retrieving cell tower phone ping data to triangulate and map out their possible location. I recall that they drove onto a forest mountain pass road that should have been gated closed for the season. Speculations were that Kim died of hypothermia while hiking back out uphill to the last road intersection they passed.
@aprilcaricchio4309
@aprilcaricchio4309 Месяц назад
So sad
@jelyfisher
@jelyfisher Месяц назад
I thought of this story too. So sad!
@LuisaD93
@LuisaD93 Месяц назад
I recall this story too! The things we are capable of in terms of endurance when we’re pushed and facing eminent death is Incredible! We are made to endure so much more than we realize but naturally the elements are always going to prevail in time. Always sad when it’s an entire family or group of people.
@chrisramsey6725
@chrisramsey6725 Месяц назад
The most disturbing part of this story is that Germans would be drinking Bud Ice beer
@partyflockske
@partyflockske 18 дней назад
the only reply that made me giggle :)
@markr.1984
@markr.1984 17 дней назад
I'm sure it would be pretty rank compared to much better German beer but how much German beer could that have brought? Not much, so they got what they could. The Germans know how to do beer and chocolate, we don't. And not to mention Cuckoo clocks.
@Mewvision
@Mewvision Месяц назад
And when travelling in the desert always carry, two nesting open top containers, a plastic sheet and a small weight. At night** You pee in the larger container. Dig a hole. Place both containers in the hole with the small container inside the large one so it will not tip. Lay the plastic sheet over the hole and weigh down the edges with sand or rocks. Place the small weight in the centre of the plastic sheet so that the lowest point of the plastic points to the clean centre container. Overnight the heat of the sand will evaporate the clean water from the pee which will hit the plastic which has become cold after sunset. The water vapour will condense on the plastic and drip back into the smaller container and there you have clean drinkable water.
@ronallens6204
@ronallens6204 24 дня назад
Dont know how clean, and no doubt plastic tasting
@TimeKitt
@TimeKitt 23 дня назад
Yeah, they wouldn't recover nearly enough to make a difference.
@ronallens6204
@ronallens6204 23 дня назад
@@TimeKitt as hot as it is, I doubt u would pee after a few hours ... big trouble when u stop sweating
@MisanthropicOcellus
@MisanthropicOcellus 10 дней назад
​@@ronallens6204its clean, thats basic knowledge.
@OutsideGalaxy
@OutsideGalaxy Месяц назад
I've been on the internet far too long because I knew what that picture was instantly. Such a tragic story
@lubabe9969
@lubabe9969 Месяц назад
Me too!
@catscanhavelittleasalami
@catscanhavelittleasalami Месяц назад
I immediately knew what it was about too. It's an especially tragic tale because of the poor children.
@wenjing1124
@wenjing1124 Месяц назад
Same here. A tragic tale...
@mountaingirlzstuff4314
@mountaingirlzstuff4314 Месяц назад
I found an abandoned vehicle hiking, it really freaked me out, I contacted the forest service and never got any answers.
@devan9774
@devan9774 Месяц назад
Where at?
@mountaingirlzstuff4314
@mountaingirlzstuff4314 Месяц назад
@@devan9774 it was on Estes lake trail Flathead national forest Montana, a year later it was gone. Probably was removed by forest service
@jd2966
@jd2966 Месяц назад
I've come across many of them out on BLM land in California/Nevada/Arizona. Usually they've been shot up for target practice, with spent shotgun shells, beer cans, and other trash scattered around. There's all sorts of 50+ year old appliances and other junk out there that people have dumped. It's not like the minivan in this video, where it's a wilderness area and you can tell that it was recently occupied by a family.
@jlt131
@jlt131 Месяц назад
i live in an area with trails crisscrossing everywhere in the forest - old animal trails, abandoned railway beds, old logging roads, even tracks from when they used horses for logging. Every hike i've been on i've seen at least one abandoned car. most of them are 50+ years old. I'm not sure at this point i'd even notice a recent one unless the ground was obviously recently disturbed. it would be super creepy to find one with an old skeleton in it though.
@waitwhat1029
@waitwhat1029 Месяц назад
There is an old battleground turned state park near my house. Went walking one day and found one bloody sneaker, on the inside. Like someone stepped on a nail or something. No one around and the shoe was gone on the return trip. Still wonder wtf.
@kkittycatkat1990
@kkittycatkat1990 Месяц назад
@KyleHatesHiking Thank you for transferring the Fahrenheit to Celcius! Love seeing you growing like this and I love how you're branching out! Hiking stories are important to hear and you do it well. It is also appropriate and nice to hear other stories, such as this one. Well meaning people who Get lost in crazy places and make it somehow or...they don't. I enjoyed this one a lot. Nice job, Kyle. 👍🏻
@aidansmithson5788
@aidansmithson5788 7 дней назад
I watched your ranger's horrible passings video and was brought to this video next and i have to say you make very good content and are very thorough in your explanation of these stories through research. Very well done!
@amywalker209
@amywalker209 Месяц назад
This always makes my teeth itch.. I've visited Death Valley a few times (from the UK) and have nothing but respect and pretty straight up fear for the environment. Last trip we met a couple who ripped a tyre on a side road but happily caught a ride to the nearest visitor station for help. We were in a 2 seater before you ask but able to report their location. Things can go very bad very quick. Stay hydrated folks. Don't take chances.
@heatherwade2373
@heatherwade2373 Месяц назад
What a great video. I’ve always wanted the full story because Death Valley is in my backyard. If anyone wants to go to the desert, be it Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and even California and Texas, please know that in the summer it is HOT. Like serious HOT. 107 degrees is just a normal summer day in the desert. And it’s not just hot, it can also be windy. Ever experienced 18 mph wind when it’s 110? It’s like being inside the clothes dryer. Just hot air that never stops hitting you. And that hot air is dry, so dry it pulls moisture out of you every minute. If I hang my wet laundry on a hot day, it’s completely dry as a bone in 2 hours. Yes, even jeans and towels. The desert is dangerous for many reasons but the heat and dry environment will attack you like you would not believe if you’re not acclimated to it. It takes about two weeks to fully acclimate to a new climate. So if you’ve never been here and you want to go hiking in the summer, deep into the backcountry of the desert for a couple days, expect to end up in a survival situation. There’s nothing out here, I mean nothing. For vast stretches of miles, nothing. Everything looks the same so it is easy to get lost and not be able to find your way back. In many places your gps won’t work, or even worse, will give you wrong directions. Ask me how I know, lol. It’s burning during the day, then when the sun goes down, depending on where you are, it can then get very cold. It is a place of extremes. Please, I am begging you, take the desert seriously. It is an unforgiving place that will kill you easily and no one will hear you scream.
@chriswhite2151
@chriswhite2151 Месяц назад
I live near there too. Many people have died from following GPS directions down those dirt roads! And there is no water anywhere. You need a gallon per day per person out there in summer!
@heatherwade2373
@heatherwade2373 Месяц назад
Agreed! A gallon per person per day and that’s just for drinking. That doesn’t even count washing up or putting water on your face to cool off. I always keep a sincere respect for this desert and never underestimate what the heat can do. I’m sure you get it if you’re out here too. And hey, hope you’re keeping cool. It’s only 95 where I am today, a nice cool summer day!
@glow1815
@glow1815 29 дней назад
It's 103 today yesterday was 113 can get up to 122. Phx Az
@brucelarsen6650
@brucelarsen6650 26 дней назад
@@glow1815 - With Phoenix, the problem really isn't the heat, it's the ETERNAL DAMNATION.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 21 день назад
@@glow1815 Didn't have anything like this this summer so far, but then, it's been raining since march.
@josephsmith5181
@josephsmith5181 12 дней назад
i work for the arizona highway patrol, and we had a vacationer from China take an indian route, approx 50 miles off the interstate, and then lost gps, signal, and followed that road over 100 miles into empty desert because he mistook the off-roading trail for an actual road. if it weren't for cell phones that dude would have 1000% died out there with no one having any idea where he was,.
@Killerbee67
@Killerbee67 Месяц назад
You did a really good job reporting this story. I live in Las Vegas and remember that story like yesterday. It was sad but most of all a mystery.. I’m glad there was finally closure by someone who cared.
@IronMaiden756
@IronMaiden756 Месяц назад
I drove cross country on pavement the whole way but was worried about car trouble in an area with no cellular coverage, so I bought a personal locator beacon. My daughter thought I was nuts. Imagine if this family had one.
@fnancyb
@fnancyb Месяц назад
It was 1996 though. I’ve had a cell phone since 1992, but I’m certain it wouldn’t have worked from there in 1996.
@Fido-vm9zi
@Fido-vm9zi Месяц назад
Or Satellite phone. If you have $ to travel, the least you can do is prepare to be safe.
@harduphiker
@harduphiker Месяц назад
@@fnancyb PLBs work off satellite though. They work anywhere in the world as long as you have a view of the sky.
@fnancyb
@fnancyb Месяц назад
Yes, PLB is a fine idea. There was a case several years ago near me in highly populated Southern California where someone drove off busy Hwy 60 on a curvy hilly area nicknamed the Badlands, and nobody found her vehicle for many days. But for this family on what seemed to be an unplanned venture off-road in Death Valley in 1996, their technology-aided options were limited.
@myfirstnamemylastname2994
@myfirstnamemylastname2994 Месяц назад
Yes I drove across country In the late 90s and just taking I-80 across the country there were 100 or longer mile stretches With no water, no rest stops, no gas stations, and no shade whatsoever. no greenery. you could pee in the middle of the road because You'd see a car coming long before it could see you. but if you didn't know there were no signs warning you Or if you were looking for signs other than green and white official signs you could miss the warning no gas station for the next 100 miles. those were posted on the existing gas stations to Drama business as much as warn people and so if you add three quarters of a tank you might not even glance at the gas station. there were no official government signs saying the danger and if I had run out of gas there it was winter so I would have frozen to death or died of dehydration and hypothermia rather than dehydration and hypothermia. I had pets with me too. I would not Willingly drive as I did if I had had a choice. nor would I ever go again without a Personal locator device. I'd be better parking on the side of the road for naps instead of a hotel and using the money for that GPS If I had to choose for financial reasons. and I promise you if you drove along across those same plains and mountains you would be thinking the same thing now. I think a lot of us would have some idea how to prepare for winter and I did build quite the winter survival kit. I plan to be able to survive at least a week with my two little dogs and parrot buried under snow on the side of the road. but summer there's a lot less you can do. The amount of water you'd need would be very heavy to tow across the country and there would be no shade to protect you and no way to air condition your vehicle With it being parked on the motor off. There are just so many things that are so much more deadly in the summer amazingly.
@oldakela6834
@oldakela6834 Месяц назад
I live in the Mojave desert between DV and JTNP and got excited when I saw the thumbnail because I recognized the photo of the van immediately. Such a tragic and easily avoidable story, yet not actually that uncommon out here... people die all the time in the desert getting stuck on remote roads not appropriate for their vehicle (or as in this case, driving on a non-road), or choosing to hike at the peak of summer during the height of the day refusing to believe you can become disoriented with heat stroke within minutes *in view of your car.* What made the Death Valley Germans so crazy is just how far they got before they became stuck. What's sad is that the park service CLEARLY WARNS people in every way in their power not to do these things and yet they keep doing them... 4x4 High Clearance Only doesn't mean a car or van, *but also doesn't mean a Subaru or other AWD vehicle, don't do it.* If you do get stuck in a vehicle in a remote area, DON'T LEAVE THE VEHICLE. After all, look what was found first. I suppose there are a VERY few exceptions, but in almost all cases it's a bad idea *even if* you think you see something that might be a good target. It's probably not, like how the military base wasn't. Even if you think you're going to die if you stay where you are, you almost certainly will if you try to walk out, so stay with your big, obvious, much-easier-to-spot-from-the-air-than-you car. Plus the vehicle provides some survival materials, you can at least huddle in the shade and as someone else already mentioned use the materials it provides to make a signal fire with a lot of black smoke.
@Faretheewell608
@Faretheewell608 Месяц назад
Anvil canyon.
@user-xp6yy9cs3g
@user-xp6yy9cs3g Месяц назад
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. " Thomas Jefferson
@oldakela6834
@oldakela6834 Месяц назад
​@@user-xp6yy9cs3g ? I'm not saying don't go out into remote areas of the desert. I'm saying don't be an idiot about how and when you do it. If that's slavery to you, you do you.
@allewis4008
@allewis4008 Месяц назад
They would have been long dead by the time the van was found. Better to hike back to the cabin, where there was food and water.
@glory5918
@glory5918 Месяц назад
@@Faretheewell608 - exactly. I almost lost a hiking pal mid 90's Anvil Trail Acadia Nat'l Park. This was way before Missing 911 became known. Hiking pal fit the Missing 411 'profile points, including 'point of separation' near the summit.
@Thermalburn
@Thermalburn 26 дней назад
I've been to Mengal Pass with a group of offroad and overland enthusiasts. We had convoy of 6 purpose built vehicles and the road was challenging even for us. We had 2 flats that trip, and one guy destroyed their driveshaft and had to which we had to tow them back to a road. Its beyond reckless to attempt anything out in the remote wilderness without a ton of preparation, but as a father, I cant imagine the horror/desperation these parents must have felt as they watched their 2 kids slowly dehydrate to death
@1peanut
@1peanut 26 дней назад
Kyle. Showing maps of locations and distances start and end points and where they are found is great for us the viewers. We love maps to get more of a feel of what may have happened. Maps really tie these stories together. Thanks.
@stephenwaite2235
@stephenwaite2235 Месяц назад
Thank you for your videos, you actually inspired me to start volunteering at our local search and rescue org a couple months back. I may not be able to afford to donate money, but I can give my time to help other people.
@1888.cfc.
@1888.cfc. 9 дней назад
Beautiful human being. 👍👌💙
@patriciaduncan9454
@patriciaduncan9454 Месяц назад
I remember Kyle Hates Hiking when you and your friend were taking us on trails, staying at motels (showers!), meeting people. I think you had about 15,000 subscribers then. I knew you were going to grow. Handsome, charismatic, and informed! Well done, Kyle!
@KyleHatesHiking
@KyleHatesHiking Месяц назад
Thank you for sticking around so long!!
@sjb3460
@sjb3460 11 дней назад
@@KyleHatesHiking Kyle, I will give you some advice on improving your commentary. You have a good talent for storytelling, assembling the facts in a logical concise manner, and the ability to concentrate all of the information overload into a well-presented video. However, I am a grammar Nazi (I study Latin and Hebrew for fun) and there are two things that you and a lot of other documentary creators overlook and that is using "like" and "that being said". When you proofread your content, please don't use those terms. They don't add anything to the story. I know "liking" is very common among your generation and "that being said" is common in most news organizations. For instance, my wife's home health care nurse (masters in nursing and other advanced degrees) cannot say 2 sentences without inserting "like" 4 times. Yes, I am a subscriber and knew about the German family when it happened. When a person gets dehydrated (I was a marathon runner and century cyclist) their ability to think clearly is impaired. Then they fall victim to tunnel vision (I have to finish the marathon (me) and I only have 7 more miles to the finish line) and have only one goal in mind. I have seen and experienced soldiers collapse from heat stroke, and I totally collapsed on a 75-mile bicycle race, I have seen marathon runners collapse from dehydration several times... The effects of dehydration and impaired judgment are killers and no one ever realizes it until they collapse or a friend rescues them before the collapse.
@chanvalentine8283
@chanvalentine8283 День назад
Thanks for the closure. This is the first time since I learned about this incident over a decade ago any further information about body location.
@beckyweisfeld6977
@beckyweisfeld6977 Месяц назад
That's so weird that Germans would drink Bud Light Ice.
@KrisHughes
@KrisHughes 23 дня назад
No wonder there are conspiracy theories.
@robertjsmith
@robertjsmith 12 дней назад
He must of been cracking up
@SFell-so33
@SFell-so33 Месяц назад
my mom has been hiking death valley for decades. she will not go out there past April and she loves the heat. its not for the amateur hiker.
@MadJustin7
@MadJustin7 Месяц назад
I tell people. Turn your oven on high for half an hour. Then open the door and put your face up to it. That's what the summer time temps feel like is the Southwest U.S. It is dangerously hot outside
@Thebritcoll
@Thebritcoll Месяц назад
They might have left the kids in the shade somewhere like a small cave and tried to hike in the heat to the base. The gf might have even stayed with the kids but when the bf didn’t come back she ventured out herself. Just some theories
@Ydce1891
@Ydce1891 Месяц назад
The children probably perished prior to their parents since their bodies are smaller and weaker. I assume their bones were never found since they are easy for scavengers. Just horrifying to think how awful their last few days must have been
@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978
@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978 Месяц назад
Caves collapse and there is no shade.
@michaelblankenau6598
@michaelblankenau6598 Месяц назад
What kind of caves are there in Death Valley ?
@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978
@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978 Месяц назад
@@michaelblankenau6598 There's caves everywhere. Unlike videogames or movies, caves are very small. It's reasonable to not consider them caves based on their size.
@lh3540
@lh3540 26 дней назад
I don't know, I'd give this situation less than 4 hours. There are a ton of coyotes around Furnace Creek, I'm sure there are birds of prey out there too.
@whollymary7406
@whollymary7406 28 дней назад
A friend of mine who lived near the desert told us that you never go into the dessert without plenty of water and a tank full of gas and never go off road
@ednageddes1337
@ednageddes1337 17 дней назад
First time watcher, loved the coverage of this heartbreaking story. Thoroughly intrigued after just a minute. Subscribed and liked, didn’t even wait till the end. Brand new fan. Good luck on your 1 million subscriber goal. I know you’ll get there. 💜
@Gloomlie
@Gloomlie Месяц назад
I live in Arizona and lemme tell you- tourists almost never take the desert seriously. We (as a state) are always trying to rescue idiots hiking at the hottest time of the year without hiking experience and a dangerously low amount of water. EDIT: tourism isn’t a bad thing. But stupid tourists are still stupid if they’ve been warned and hike ill-prepared anyway. The taxes spent on the rescues aren’t quite as bad as I thought so I’ll drop that point, but I’ll note the city pays for the rescues unless the hikers get an ambulance.
@jimsteinway695
@jimsteinway695 Месяц назад
Same in the Mojave. Why they don’t go in the winter is beyond me
@MrSirlulzalot
@MrSirlulzalot Месяц назад
Thank you for your service 🙏 ❤️
@KornPop96
@KornPop96 Месяц назад
Meh, I could do it. It's not all that.
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 Месяц назад
Sure buddy. Twice every 5 years?
@Xylarxcode
@Xylarxcode Месяц назад
While it's not always a serious thing, tourists not taking their destination and its locales seriously is very common. Most of the time, it just leads to annoying or embarrassing situations, but sometimes they do something so monumentally stupid, it gets them hurt or even killed. Tourists just don't care. They're so set on having an enjoyable, relaxing vacation, they have a bad tendency to flaunt the local rules of the place they're visiting like it somehow doesn't apply to them and things will be fine. Like them being on vacation gives them some kind of superpower where nothing bad can happen to them until it inevitably bites them in the ass.
@NVboy7636
@NVboy7636 Месяц назад
Shame on the cops who scolded him for putting in the time and effort to help solve the case. He is a grown man who makes his own decisions. He didn't break any laws. If he chooses to put himself in harms way to help bring closure to the case, then i applaud him. Outstanding job sir!!!
@personifiedmarvel6964
@personifiedmarvel6964 Месяц назад
What could they do? If they thanked him, then there would be a wave of other people trying to solve some mysteries. At least what they did was safe and did not put other people in danger, even though it could have been handled better.
@brucelarsen6650
@brucelarsen6650 26 дней назад
@@personifiedmarvel6964 - What these old guys did was NOT safe in the least! One twisted ankle, one episode of heart palpitations from the extreme heat, one snakebite and DOZENS of Search & Rescue People would have immediately mobilized to save their sorry butts. They were, in a word: LUCKY. The next word is INCONSIDERATE, and follow that up with just plain STUPID. Mother Nature will ALWAYS prevail in extreme conditions like these, the odds are with the House. That is why Search & Rescue endevour to get out there as fast as the can, every last one of them: the odds are ALWAYS that it will be a RECOVERY (of a corpse) and not a Rescue. It is ALWAYS a race against DEATH. and the rescuers are at as great of risk of losing their lives as the "victims". often even more so. Whether at the edge of town or at the edge of civilization, someone will volunteer to save a strangers life at the possible cost of their own, do it gladly, simply for it's own reward, sometimes just for a memorial on the wall inside some lonely Fire Hall given posthumously. Idiots that think they'll beat ALL the odds who walk out into the Desert with 100 pounds of water on their back, a couple of Band-Aids and a compass need to get HEFTY FINES when they are discovered. Add one day in jail for every person that was, or would have been called out to help get their "fat out of the fire", and maybe there would be less such foolishness. Or, maybe consider just leaving them out there, if they truly knew the risks.
@markr.1984
@markr.1984 17 дней назад
It's the "nanny complex" that government officials always seem to have. If you're an every day civilian citizen, you are assumed to be an idiot. You are a child to them and they are your nanny that knows better. This attitude makes them feel superior and that therefore helps to bloat their smug egos. I mean they've had training and whatever!! Ummm, we can be trained too and also know what the F we're doing, just like them. I disagree with their attitudes, obviously.
@Tufhhuyy
@Tufhhuyy 9 дней назад
​@@personifiedmarvel6964if other people want to go out looking, who are they to stop them, at least as long as they stick to areas it's legal to be? I absolutely have the right to go out and die in the desert if I so choose. The government isn't there to keep you from doing things just because they're not safe for yourself.
@bjornyesterday2562
@bjornyesterday2562 8 дней назад
​@markr.1984 yes! Even though they normally have less knowledge in whatever the topic is (like cops and law/constitution).
@briantinker7290
@briantinker7290 10 дней назад
A very good listen, thanks for the story and contribution to the volunteers
@Sannahmusic
@Sannahmusic 4 дня назад
I have watched this case several times by now, and I would like to add something. When I saw the first video about it, it was mentioned that the tyres of the van were not made for such hot ground, and they melted. That was why they were flat. I am very much enjoying your channel! Greetings from Germany!
@Silicon-rp9zt
@Silicon-rp9zt Месяц назад
I came across Tom's blog several years ago when I did a deep dive into Death Valley. Such a haunting story but Tom's investigation what so thorough and methodical. Glad you covered this!
@allewis4008
@allewis4008 Месяц назад
It's an amazing read
@ZugTheMegasaurus
@ZugTheMegasaurus Месяц назад
I did the same thing maybe 6 or 7 years ago and spent an entire day at work reading the whole blog; thankfully it was just a plain-looking document and my boss had no idea!
@thekat4493
@thekat4493 Месяц назад
Please don't ever drink alcohol while hiking in the desert in summer. You don't realize how dehydrated you get, very quickly.
@GanymedeXD
@GanymedeXD Месяц назад
What nonsense … he was German and it was US beer … same as water … what should he have done? Leave it forth the kids and drink their water? It was 1996 … adults drink beer … kids water! You cannot see it from a 2024 perspective … thats nonsense!
@thekat4493
@thekat4493 Месяц назад
@@GanymedeXD "You cannot see it from a 2024 perspective...." 😂 I was 21 years old in 96 and grew up in SoCal. I'm very familiar with hiking in the desert and drinking in the 90's. But..... maybe you're right. Drinking beer in the desert is a super smart decision. You should go do it and prove me wrong.
@ironrey8
@ironrey8 22 дня назад
I read Tom's blog a number of years ago and reread it every couple of years, fascinating, he used to have a site called "Bluefire" and he had a story about looking for (and eventually finding) a downed A12 (single seat SR-71) that is also a story I recommend...
@sionadamson1842
@sionadamson1842 29 дней назад
Superb presentation Kyle, as always always so good to see ya, sir x
@jimsteinway695
@jimsteinway695 Месяц назад
I lived in the Mojave for 40 years. Worked at China Lake. Believe me there’s nothing to see. At the doorstep to Death Valley. Those of us who learned to respect it had no problem. But we lost Germans every summer. Why everyone thinks Germans are smart blows me away. They INSIST on visiting during the SUMMER . We always go in the WINTER AND in the summer guess what? We go to the mountains!!! Who’d thunk?
@daenwallace5487
@daenwallace5487 Месяц назад
We Germans stupid??? Unpossible!
@blackk_rose_
@blackk_rose_ Месяц назад
Because we don't have such vast wilderness in Germany and Germans are notorious for going on hikes without many supplies - something you can easily do in Germany because you rarely end up in a place that is so remote you won't find your way back to civilisation and we don't have much dangerous wildlife or extreme heat and cold here. Tourists in general are usually the ones that are getting into trouble because they are in an unfamiliar environment. Even if you read up about the area you're visiting, it's easy to misjudge or underestimate the dangers and/or your own abilities. I don't think it's fair to call that stupidity (although of course sometimes it definitely is - especially if you ignore warnings). My family and I once went to walk around the Wadden Sea without a guide during low tide. My parents were aware that high tide comes quickly, checked the tide calendar, and made sure we stayed near the coast. But despite those precautions we still ended up being cut off by the high tide at some point. Luckily we only got wet feet and didn't need to be rescued or worse (staying near the coast likely saved us a lot of trouble). But I don't think this would've happened to a local nor do I think my parents were being stupid. They did inform themselves, but experience is something you can't read up on.
@angelachouinard4581
@angelachouinard4581 Месяц назад
@@blackk_rose_ There is so much variation in tides this can easily happen. Went with a class group canoeing in tidal salt flats. One person in our canoe was a canoe instructor which was helpful. But I grew up by the ocean and had to insist we turn back to the launch place because the tide was about to turn. Next day he took two girls back there again. Tide went out and they wound up dragging themselves and the canoe through the thick mud and weeds to the launch. He sheepishly admitted he forgot it was tidal. Glad your parents were conservative.
@MelissaThompson432
@MelissaThompson432 Месяц назад
​@@blackk_rose_I'm not criticizing your parents, but experience is literally what I look for to read up on. Reviews are details of experiences, for that matter. That said, we still have to make choices based on what other people have said, and we still take our chances with every choice. Calling names is easy. And ignorant. No one needs to go there.
@cccycling5835
@cccycling5835 Месяц назад
TBH Germans marching into weather oblivion is totally on brand. Just ask the Russians.
@yvettenoland5500
@yvettenoland5500 Месяц назад
Europeans do not understand just how large the US is. Americans forget how old Europe is.
@user-xp6yy9cs3g
@user-xp6yy9cs3g Месяц назад
Americans forgot what being American is. Hence the Global Democrat cabal new world order
@brettAnichols
@brettAnichols Месяц назад
Partly because Americans won't acknowledge our history, and Europeans fail to make use of multidimensionality?
@quirkya909
@quirkya909 23 дня назад
Most Americans don’t even understand the trouble they can get into in a desert 🏜️ especially Death Valley. Let alone foreigners. People underestimate what they don’t know!
@jdove6883
@jdove6883 8 дней назад
Human habitation in North America goes back 19,000 years. So, not so young.
@yvettenoland5500
@yvettenoland5500 7 дней назад
@@jdove6883 Well, yeah. But European dominance over the continental US is relatively recent. I am a Scots/Irish Mutt, no more than one generation US born. I take America's size for granted. It seems most Americans do.
@tigeronabike
@tigeronabike 8 дней назад
I love the way you tell the stories: logical reasoning, open minded, intelligent and engaging. Given the circumstances, I can’t help but wonder about why no mention of cellphones? I also find it fascinating that the piece of paper remained intact in the elements for a decade?! Interesting story.
@michaelmoorrees3585
@michaelmoorrees3585 Месяц назад
107°F (42°C) in that area, in July, is relatively cool. I was in Las Vegas once on the July 4th weekend, and it was only 104°F (40°C). That's because it was overcast and raining. Death Valley and south along the Colorado River (Arizona-California State line) will exceed 120°F (50°C) that time of the year.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 21 день назад
And those are temperatures completely unknown to the people. Depending on where exactly they came from they'd be used to maybe 75-90 during the hottest parts of summer and 5-40 in winter
@astronwolf
@astronwolf Месяц назад
...he became oddly obsessed with the case...? Tom Mahood's heart was stirred by this case. Nothing odd about that.
@allewis4008
@allewis4008 Месяц назад
This wasn't even the only unsolved mystery he hiked in to solve
@catscanhavelittleasalami
@catscanhavelittleasalami Месяц назад
Yeah, nothing odd about it when it involves children. I understand.
@sunshine3914
@sunshine3914 24 дня назад
When I was kid, back in the days of B&W TV, there was a western series called “Death Valley Days”, had they ever seen an episode, they would have known not to chance it.
@SarahC2
@SarahC2 24 дня назад
"Too much time on your hands" = "You're not watching enough mind melting TV!"
@FreezeInfinite
@FreezeInfinite 11 дней назад
Thought the same thing. A common phrase people use for others with uncommon interests. Watching Netflix all day is perfectly fine though.
@user-tc5pl3zw3h
@user-tc5pl3zw3h Месяц назад
So, you're telling me that there is a place called "Anvil Canyon" in Death valley, the set of every Roadrunner cartoon? Is there also an ACME Cliffs?
@thisbeem2714
@thisbeem2714 Месяц назад
😂
@brucelarsen6650
@brucelarsen6650 26 дней назад
Thank you for reinforcing my 50-plus year belief that those were NOT cartoons, rather they were actual DOCUMENTARIES. I thought of them again recently, when I stepped off a ladder into thin air, quite by accident, and was almost able to gain enough traction running in the air to step back onto the ladder. I was painting a big tunnel entrance on the side of a wall.
@lawnerddownunder3461
@lawnerddownunder3461 16 дней назад
@@brucelarsen6650😂😂😂​
@svenmorgenstern9506
@svenmorgenstern9506 10 дней назад
No shortage of coyotes in Death Valley. Not sure if any of them are named Wile E. Coyote though. Next time I'm out there I'll ask around... 😉
@SomeRandomIndvl
@SomeRandomIndvl Месяц назад
I went to the Death Valley half a dozen times. Last time was 2 years ago. There is a perfectly good paved road going West for them to get to Yosemite from the East entrance through Lone Pine. I can't imagine why they thought the path they took was a short cut.
@mariuquidiello
@mariuquidiello 25 дней назад
It was 1996
@SomeRandomIndvl
@SomeRandomIndvl 25 дней назад
@@mariuquidiello Hwy 190 was built in 1934. I first went there in 1980's and it was paved
@meanderingwithmuddypaw
@meanderingwithmuddypaw 3 дня назад
Great videos Kyle ... I love hiking stories .... even the disappearances. Have you ever heard the story of Daniel Robinson, the geologist who went missing near Buckeye, Arizona in 2021? Such a bizarre (disturbing) story ... he's never been found, either. They found his clothes and his Jeep (which was crashed in a very bizarre way, and the engine had been turned over several times after it crashed) ... Anyway. Not really a hiking story, but disappearance ... like the Germans. Thanks for the videos, Kyle! Subbed! - Muddypaw🐾
@user-mh4jj3ni6t
@user-mh4jj3ni6t Месяц назад
Just come across one of your videos and I've started to watch them. I think you give a good story line with great content and you seem confident when you are talking. I will be watching a lot more of your videos from now on Kyle. Can't believe that I've not come across your videos before because this is the type of thing that I watch. From Justin in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿.
@user-to2gh7sg3l
@user-to2gh7sg3l Месяц назад
The most sobering part of this story is that at least one them had Bud Ice as their last beer ever.. Their final Beer here on this planet was Bud Ice . That's a hard pill to swallow.
@Balrog-tf3bg
@Balrog-tf3bg Месяц назад
I’m drinking natty ice watching this and I’d cry if that was my last drink ever
@Operngeist1
@Operngeist1 Месяц назад
especially as a german
@mazulauf
@mazulauf Месяц назад
Hey, they bought it. Or did they? Maybe the conspiracy theorists are right…
@keithangstadt4950
@keithangstadt4950 Месяц назад
Being German he probably figured it was no different than water.
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 Месяц назад
I couldnt imagine leaving a paved road in the desert.
@dinarusso3320
@dinarusso3320 Месяц назад
😮 me either, especially with babies, human ignorance in deserts and hiking in state parks
@PHUCKyoutube689
@PHUCKyoutube689 Месяц назад
It's not that dangerous as long as you are willing to turn around if things get to crazy. They made a fatal mistake in not just backtracking to the road. We drive out in the desert all the time. I would recommend a PLB for those that go do long distance overlanding solo or even in groups. Just know your car and your driving limits and you'll generally be okay.
@williamhua4166
@williamhua4166 Месяц назад
I live in Vegas and I drive on isolated non-paved desert roads all the time. I wouldn’t do it in the summer, though.
@elaexplorer
@elaexplorer Месяц назад
I do it every day. Most roads out here in the desert aren't paved.
@vampirecount3880
@vampirecount3880 3 дня назад
I will never understand why people go to these isolated places with extreme climates without having the slightest preparation. Nothing incredible needs to happen for everything go south. Imagine that you are in an isolated place and your car engine breaks down? Those things happen. Does it ever occur to them that they could be in a place far from everything and the tire goes flat or the engine breaks down? And now, you're in the middle of an isolated desert with no car. It is no wonder that expeditions are organized with great detail, spare parts prepared, fuel and extra food provided, you need to think a little, just a little ahead FFS.
@JEB66
@JEB66 9 дней назад
I wouldn't say it's the hottest place on earth. When I was in Afghanistan, I clocked it at 142°F.
@5hadowl88
@5hadowl88 Месяц назад
I saw this a while back with Explore with Us. Is scary what people do without being prepared, especially with kids.
@chrisran24
@chrisran24 Месяц назад
The government that couldn't find this family has no business scolding these men for finding them. What an abuse of authority. I hate this "for your own protection" crap.
@valentinius62
@valentinius62 28 дней назад
Their attitude reminds me of when Mel Fisher's team found the sunken treasure galleon _Atocha_ . Bureaucrats in the state of Florida said, "Um, that belongs to us." But they had never done a darn thing to find it.
@DarkMatterBurrito
@DarkMatterBurrito 22 дня назад
And yet, if you got lost and were in trouble trying to find someone you would be calling on the same authorities that you were castigating right now.
@fast_richard
@fast_richard 22 дня назад
@@DarkMatterBurrito And your best chance of being found is by the sort of volunteer rescue team that is NOT affiliated with the government. The government has the material resources, but actual government or military personnel with the search and rescue expertise are in extremely short supply.
@TT-pr9bx
@TT-pr9bx 21 день назад
@@fast_richard most search and rescue teams are Sheriff's dept volunteers (or even reserves). I suspect that any grief they got was due to the fact that they got a hold of information that was part of the official search and wasn't meant to be shared to people who weren't involved. Random hikers find clues all the time for old cases - like w/ Bill Ewasko.
@markr.1984
@markr.1984 17 дней назад
agreed!!
@davidkeetz
@davidkeetz 10 дней назад
Really sobering reminder of just how brutal the American desert can be. A trek as short as 4 miles killed an entire family - that’s a distance that’s easily covered on foot in a single morning in just about everywhere else in the lower 48 but the heat is just so intense out there and it’s so easy to become disoriented and walk yourself in a circle without realizing it…..glad they were finally found.
@2000jago
@2000jago День назад
My wife refers to this channel as "mr shocked eyes". I asked her why and she said because you eyes always make you look like you've been shocked/startled. 🤣
@annberlin5811
@annberlin5811 Месяц назад
If you are lost in desert. Set a small contained fire with lots of smoke
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 Месяц назад
With what? Sand?
@annberlin5811
@annberlin5811 Месяц назад
@@bradsanders407 seats gas and a lighter. Geez They are always looking for fires in Arizona
@Vonononie
@Vonononie Месяц назад
@@bradsanders407they had fabric, oil, and spark plugs in the car. If you’re hiking you should carry fire lighting material or flares
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 Месяц назад
​@@Vonononie so destroy their only potential shelter? Also they were foreigners in a rental. They seen the base on the map and assumed they could easily walk to it. That one couple burnt tires lost in the oregon moutains and it didnt do them any good and they actually have fire watches. Also they werent trying to go hiking. They were trying to take a short cut. They were forced into going hiking. They had 8 empty water bottles in the van. So im assuming rationing wasnt in the plans for their attempted hike out.
@Vonononie
@Vonononie Месяц назад
@@bradsanders407 they didn’t need to burn the car. Get a bit of interior fabric like the mat and you have fuel for a fire. You were making out they had nothing to burn. They still walked away from their “only shelter” so it’s not like they were making any use of it. I added the bit about if people are hiking they should carry something to burn to point out in all instances, whether lost in a car or hiking on foot, everyone should have fuel to burn
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