Why this weapon is IRRELEVANT in Hunt Showdown 

My first idea to differentiate both guns was to make the scottfield the "spammy gun" and the Pax the "Marksman Handgun". The scottfield gets the swift and spitfire but no precision, that goes to the Pax. The Scottfield gets FMJ and Maybe DumDum Ammo, whil the Pax gets High Velocity and FMJ. After that you give the Pax a scoped Preciison Variant and voila, two medium ammo handguns with distinct identities.

The sights are the determining aspect for me personally. I don't like the sights on the Schofields, but I love the pax sights.

1500 hours since 2019 here; I agree that the Pax is completely overshadowed by the Scottfield and its variants... but won't say it's irrelevant. As Hunt has grown, many weapons, tools, and consumables have become less effective or even irrelevant to the meta but the fact that they're still functional and have their own unique style and application adds a tremendous amount of variety and value to the arsenal experience. Every time I kill someone with a fringe or meme weapon, it feels good to know that they're looking at their death screen going, "he killed me with that?"

I think what killed it for me was when they gave the scotty HV ammo, instead of the pax. The scottfield having slow mv vs the pax having better mv was sort of what differentiated the two. Pax for precision, longer range shooting and the SF for dumping ammo at close range. Giving the SF HV was basically the devs saying that they didn't see a difference between the two guns or the philosophy between them.

I can imagine Dennis and company seeing that part of the video and dying with laughter, 10/10 Allen! I always appreciate your thoughtful breakdown of weapons, I've actually found both the Scottfield and the Pax both quite lackluster for my own personal use. As a player off and on since the game launched, I do remember during the Serpent Moon event that one of the Scottfield variants were used by pretty much everyone as a sidearm where as conversely I do not recall a time when the Pax was as much a bread-and-butter sidearm which is rather telling in and of itself.

One of the biggest reasons i love Hunt is that you can do well on any single weapon if you are good enough.

The Scottfield might be on paper better (more so talking Spitfire variant) I would still take the Pax over it for raw gameplay purposes. Sure the Issues of ammo and variants (or lack thereof) are defiantly not in favor of the Pax at all but the Pax with or without fanning is just pure comfort to me. I cannot for the life of me, aim and shoot the Scottfield and I have tried. The Pax however is a headshot beast, clean and wonderful iron sights. I do think it mainly might be a "Mosin vs Lebel" Argument. Each have their "on paper stats", but in game? I cannot use the Lebel to save my skin. I do agree with you that the Pax does need to see some love and not just slapping the same special ammo on it as the Scottfield. Maybe a slightly faster reload or cycle time? I am super excited for the "Big Iron" Pax even if it is just for memes.

I still really like the pax as a side arm for shotguns and so on but the spit fire would likely be better. The only way i could see it getting good buffs is more damage closing in on 125 dmg and a higher bullet velocity. But its definitely a hard balace question

The Pax has been power creeped hard by the Scottfield variants for a while now. The most recent additions of the Scottfield getting Dum-Dum and HV ammo just make it worse. The Pax is still good but there's nothing about it that makes it worth taking over the Scottfield, unless you're a hardcore Pax fan like me. Balance-wise, the Pax and Scottfield should be opposites. The Pax being a good medium-range pistol while the Scottfield excels at CQB. The Pax should have HV ammo instead of the Scottfield, it should also have a Precision variant instead of the Scottfield. In a perfect world I'd like to see the Pax getting a small buff to it's fanning accuracy and hip-fire accuracy while keeping it's RoF slower than the Scottfield, reinforcing its role as a precision weapon. For future variants I'd like to see a shorter-barreled version that allows a faster draw (something like a "Duelist" variant) as a combo weapon. Another variant that would be fun is a Deadeye variant without a stock, that way you can have a versatile secondary that can use fanning AND be effective at range. The last variant I can think of would be something like a Match variant, a stocked Pax with a longer barrel and improved match-grade sights. It could be a two-slot or even a three-slot as a carbine option. All in all, I just want the Pax to get some love. It needs something that makes it stand out.

Pax has an advantage over the scottfields. It draws faster when you switch to it. So if you are using a shotgun and see an enemy out of range, you can swap to pax faster to land a single shot.

youre entirely right, however, the pax is my favorite pistol in the game to shoot, it feels so good...and then they added high vel to scottfield and immediately that made that gun feel just as good. Im excited to see if the upperpax is fun with high V, i have high hopes all the same.

I was so excited for the Caldwell Pax Trueshot to give the pax a purpose and to compete with the uppercut as a long range 1 slot weapon. All they had to do was increase the headshot range. Smh 😔. I hope one day they realize their mistake. They could even decrease the damage but have a longer headshot range and it would be an interesting option. But no...

I think ur missing out on some things, like the Iron Sights for example of the Pax is way better (but thats just my opinion). Or you may be right that the total reload if completely emptied is faster with the Scottfield but I think the reload if not empty per shot is faster with the Pax. Another reason which is again purely my opinion, but guns have that "feeling" in Hunt which diverses them, independent of their stats (for example the nice shooting sound which you mentioned), and I think this "feeling" is just better with the Pax. I´m not really a fanning user so I dont really care but I think fanning is more accurate with the Pax aswell, even if when reloading surely its outclassed by the Swift. Lets put it like this: For fanning, use the Swift, for continued fast shooting, take the spitfire, but if you want a jack of all trades take the Pax. But nevertheless, great video, keep it up!

Pax Carbine like in that movie the barrel is so long its comical. The carbine can also eliminate Pax weakness since stocked weapons would allow you to fire faster at higher velocity.

The pax should be buffed to accentuate it's identity as both a precision weapon and a solid gun for fanning. Also, the scottfield should be slightly nerfed to further play up the pax. Firstly with the scottfield, since it's one change: decrease fanning rate of fire to slightly better than the spitfire. On a side note, high velocity should only be on the pax. As for the Pax, I think the best changes that could be made to it are 1) further reduce sway when not moving 2) explosive and high velocity ammo 3) increase it's first shot accuracy when fanning so you still have the option for a slow but precise hipfire 4) increase its damage to around 118-124 Now controversially, I think the Pax should have its ammo pool split between 12 shots and 6 shots. I know it hasn't been done before with a revolver and unevenly splitting the pool but I think the pax being the only revolver to break crytek's rule regarding splitting ammo pools for single shot weapons only would be a great way to make the pax stand out while further improving it's main features as a: precise medium-to-long range sidearm, solid gun for fanning, and imo a good pick if you need reserve ammo for a medium ammo rifle

Great video. A few updates ago when they buffed medium ammo dum dum i thought "hey a reason to use the Pax again". Then they proceeded to give the Scottfield dum dum as well. The whole "give dum dum to literally every weapon" trend is stupid in general, at least taking it away from the Scottfield would give the Pax one thing it has over it. But it still wouldnt make it really relevant. Sadly the long Pax wont change anything because people will play that one, base pax is still irrelevant.

This video aged like milk; pax trueshot with high velocity has a bullet velocity of 570 m/s, the fastest of the 1 slot weapons.

A small, but another sign of the PAX being an afterthought, is that The Moorhound's pistol "Hell's Dewclaw" is not a PAX Clae but just a regular PAX. It's minor, but it just bothers me because when they were making that character, they seriously didn't put 2 and 2 together with the obvious option in front of them? Maybe they could update the pistol to be that but I doubt they'd care enough to do so.

True but counter argument: Scottfield ironsights are disgusting and I cannot use them for the life of me other than the precision variant which rocks

the only use case as I see it is a budget long range follow-up shot for snipers/long ammo, especially with the 570 m/s you get with the trueshot plus high velocity, it makes hitting follow up shots much easier, plus if I was a betting man i would bet that the trueshot gets a deadeye scope same as the dolch, and the scottfield wont

The pax is an exponentially sexier gun than the scotfield is, so by virtue of that I will always prefer it. The scotfield is not so superior that I can’t use a slightly less optimal alternative.

They should make the default pax a quick draw reaction tool a low sway fast special draw animation that would make it certainly distinct.

The feature of the Pax that cannot be replaced by the Scotfield is its excellent iron sight. The only reason why I still play Pax instead of Scotfield in most cases is the difference in iron sights.

I'm gonna be "that guy" but only a bit, so hear me out. There have been versions of the Colt Single Action Army made with which you could remove the cylinder quickly and easily in order to reload, essentially swapping out the whole cylinder for one that's pre-loaded. They could totally incorporate that as a speed loading variant. That aside, if they wanted to make it more relevant, all I can think is to tweak its damage, range, fire rate, or reload speed at base. Regardless of the numbers, even though I acknowledge that the "Scottfield" and its variants are generally superior, I still use the Pax at times just because it's sexy. I love that thing regardless.

Eh, you are misunderstanding the stats. ROF takes reloads into account, that's why scott has higher. However base scott actually shoots slower than base pax - look at cycle time. Agree that spitfire far outclasses a pax, but for base variants pax is still a far better pistol, for fanning paxes higher ROF and only slightly lower accuracy still makes it a very competetive choice, easily on par with scott. The new trueshot on the other hand is going to again take the spot of a long range pistol, especially with HV. Its going to get to more than 500 m/s velocity, which for a handgun is a bit nuts in Hunt. So we end up with pax being a better allrounder in base variants category and variants specialised for roles in each of the pistol families - spitfire for closer range engagements, swift for fast reloads and pax trueshot for log range fights.

I don't get why the Scottfield got all the attention. Everything i wished for the Pax, or what made the pax unique, the Scottfield got as well. Even a precision variant, which i really hoped to get for the Pax. The final nail in the coffin was hit when they gave the Scottfield all the special ammo types the Pax had with high velocity in addition. Why not giving the Pax HV? This makes me really sad

i prefer sights in the pax and also it looks cooler. i would say that pax is functional and stands within line while spitfire is little too good, i personally would make spitfire even more close range option (more recoil and even slower muzzle velocity, max headshot range around 60 meters) while pax should be reliable medium range little brother of uppercut

I would say "this weapon has a varient that does its job better" applies to the scotfield aswell. Like, there is zero purpose in using the stock scotfield once you unlock the better varients, which is the same for the pax now. In a vacuum the stock pax and scott are so simular despite the slight dofferences that put them on their different niches that you would really only choose one or the other for personal preference. But the scotfield became the go to pistol due to its varients so i think the trueshot was the way to make the pax stand out on its own as a competitive option again. The main issue really that the medium ammo pistol varients are direct upgrades of their conterparts. Even the scotfield brawler, will be used over the stock cause it makes the grind to the much better pistols even easier

pax vs scottfield thoughts let the pax fire a bit faster, little more MV, tighter spread, maybe a little more damage. just a couple numbers + on the pax so you can say "this is a proper sidearm!" maybe some of those numbers down on the scottfield cause it was supposed to be more of a budget variant anyway. heres some numbers i would think of: (pax vs scottfield vs conversion vs uppercut) * means new numbers, my change Damage 115*/103/104/126 Range 100* /85/85/115 Fire rate 24*/18*/21/18 Spread 30*/33*/30/40 Reload 12,5*/9/11,2/16 velocity 350*/250*/300/410 cant really do much with the damage when a conversion already deals 104 but yeah i think this change would give quite enough room for choice, maybe let the pax have a bit less ammo than the scottfield.

If they are going to keep adding varients and bullet types for every single gun, they need a system that limits which ones are available to use at any given time. "this month, the cart that brought spitfires and poison bullets didn't make it to the bayou, next month, mosins are out of stock but uppercuts are in" Otherwise every single gun is going to blend together. It would be a good way to shake up the meta. Especially when spitzer runs out for a week...

One thing they could have done but screwed the pooch on it was instead of giving the scottfield HV ammo, it should have went to the pax, so that way there was an ammo type that would make you want to take the pax over the scottfield, unfortunately that ship has sailed.

The trueshot defnitely brought the pax back into relevance, with fmj it remains a harder hitting pistol but with almost as much muzzle velocity as the uppercut and with high velocity ammo it has the muzzle velocity to compete with rifles, making it the second best mid-long range sidearm in the game. the spitfire is still the best close range medium ammo option, but if im running a shotgun or projectile weapon like the crossbow then it makes more sense to bring the pax trueshot than the scottfield spitfire as a sidearm.

Perhaps they could make the spitfire reload much slower, and make the speed loader have only one reload before it's it's out of ammo, bringing them a bit closer to real side grades

My first headshot was with a pax. Felt like such a baller. Always a special place In my heart. True shot is cool, but more pax love would be awesome! Maybe pax carbine????

Absolutely disagree. The pax feels so much better on longer distances. I seriously hate the scotfield for that. Okay, okay, the spitfire is sick, but I still have situations often where I prefer the pax's iron sights and sway.

Their biggest problem was giving the Scottfield so many variants that it left no room for the Pax to get any new variants. The Pax should have got the precision variant, but the Scottfield did instead. The Pax should have gotten high velocity ammo, but the Scottfield did instead. While the Pax is going to be getting HV ammo in the next patch it doesn't matter because the Scottfield still also has it. A Pax variant with a longer barrel was the only option the had left to give some kind of anything. Unless they somehow pull an auto-ejecting variant of Pax out of their ass. They did make a semi-auto Veterli for Christ's sake.

People have chosen the Pax as their revolver of choice for Fanning. I would rather use either a Scottfield Swift or a Conversion Chain Pistol. The Pax does have a fast fire rate, good damage and close to no spread/recoil, hence the fanning deal. But to me, the ability to spam bullets comes in handy more, so you can't bet the pressure put by the Swift or Chain Pistol.

To me they should have given the pax high velocity ammo to make it more reliable than the Schofield at longer range. Very niche but the gun would have at least a small purpose over the Schofield. But no, Crytech decided to give high velocity to the other one.

The game has changed so much from what it used to be. Now everything you can click fast is the meta.

What if they made an addition to fanning that worked with Trueshot variants of weapons to increase their accuracy or buffed them some other way??

Really had alot of success with the new pax longshot especially with fanning

Oi, Oi, Oi. You forget that Pax also got Poison ammo, which is... Yeah... B-but hey, at least I can stack that with Centennial!

You did a video on this and you didn’t even realize the pad has a faster fire rate than the reg Scottfield? Really? Just because its numbers on a screen don’t mean it matches up in game

I agree, I really wish the pax and trueshot got significant damage and velocity buffs to make it a true poor man's uppercut.

Give the pax explosive ammo - could be fun as heck Still great video Geef!

I play pax because it is the definitive cowboy revolver and it has extremely nice legendary skins and truly that is all that matters, especially the skins, what can I say, I am simple man!

Can we stop adding all ammo types to all guns.

i'm wondering if we could get like another varient. like scottfield being restricted to the different varient, and then pax getting like a deadeye varient or deadeye percision varient with slightly faster cycle time. so now it's a more robust version of the pax that might need quartermaster but is a solid generalist weapon vs the spitfire or swift, where you're clearly going for something specialized

Just a buff to its base bullet velocity enough to not get as much of an impact by fmj is a quick solution

i mean it’s just a budget option now, same as the default scottfield and nagant pistol.

I would say the Pax needs to be given some love and some buffs. That being said, the Pax will ALWAYS be important. Because the Pax is the Colt Single Action Army. I understand that doesn't change a lot of what gameplaywise the weapon feels like. But it has value due to being an iconic weapon, I myself would always choose it over the Scottfield for that reason only. Maybe it's an old west geek kind of niche thing, but that's how it is.

It seems like there's a fairly simple fix for base variants that have since been made obsolete by superior variants, especially in light of ammo changes, which is simply to make the base variants have greater reserve ammo. Making them as effective as the variants would simply exacerbate power creep. Giving them a distinct niche as "slightly worse gun, but better ammo carrier" still gives a reason to choose them for certain loud outs.

Trueshot still needs a stock and deadeye options, then it will be a pocket sniper

So this is a very personal thing probably: no matter the stats and the obvious inferiority of the Pax, it still is my favourite pistol. With no other pistol I can land these crazy and satisfying headshots that the Pax has given me over the years. That might be for the reason that I play it the most out of all the pistols, but it just feels very good and reliable. And imo it has a a very accurate ADS. But it is probbaly also due to the fact that I have the most practice with it.

How i see it, the trueshot is a very good contendor to the uppercut, as it only costs 141 instead of 414 and packs a punch, while you also can have HV ammo to make the velocity even greater than the uppercut

The only thing i take a pax for now is poison ammo since scottfield doesn't have it

Could a Pax carbine be the answer?

As much as it pains me to say it, you are right in every last of your points. Im glad that the pax got the trueshot, but...that leaves grandpa pax in the dust. An old man, not built to last in this landscape. the only thing I can think of that it might have a leg up in is the fanning spread, which (I think!!!!) is a good bit tighter than the schofields...but even that becomes irrelevant when you can just slap another 6 rounds into the swift and try again. However...the pax does win two things: The (in my opinion) best skins (Certain Victory and Vanguard, my beloveds), and it most certainly has forever won my heart. Even if there are better options, you can pry my Pax from my cold, dead hands (most likely literally, as its severely outclassed :/ )

the scottfield has a SLOWER rate of fire. the rpm stat takes reloads into account and you shouldn't use the rpm stat as an indicator for actual fire rate. the scottfield takes 1.5 sec to take the next shot and the pax 1.4 so the pax is faster.

Medium ammo needs a buff in general; in terms of penetration and damage falloff especially. its nearly exactly the same as compact ammo. damagefalloff for compact: 20. Long? 40. Medium? yeah no, not 30, that would make too much sense. its 20 aswell. especially the centennial suffers a lot from that. you have a 60 meter range to 2 tap. thats not too far, and the occasional arm shot will screw you over hard. if you hit the arm + upper torso you have a 45 meter range. lower torso and arm = 30 meters. lets compare it to the krag! 2x upper chest = 110m upper torso, arm = 90m lower torso, arm = 60m the differences are insane. easy fix (that hasnt been done in years, i dont even remember when they adjusted anything broadly or if they ever did, people said there once was a compact ammo falloff buff): -make the damage falloff the exact middle between compact and long -let medium ammo penetrate sheets of metal with like 50% damage loss and let it keep its damage through 2 sheets of wood/ 1 medium thickness/ wall 100%

now with the new variant the pax will be nice with the high velocity

You don't CARE about Jebediah Ballbag and his revolutionary 1876 invention? how very dare you

I'm sorry but you're half right and half wrong. Scottfield has only 2 good variants, base and spitfire. Idk about you but I've had better success with the pax than scottfield. Scottfield feels clunky when used as primary and it's fanning sometimes feels unreliable. Plus, if a scottfield can kill you, the a pax surely will as well. Plus, scottfield precision feels more like a meme than an actual budget alternative. If pax really needed a buff, it would be custom ammos. Make it more unique perhaps.

Good demonstation of fanning thaining, actually. But, even here, with the targets, standing still, we can see, Scottfield doesn't kill every single maneken. And here's why: even if we're talking about a distance of full damage, Scottfiend doesn't do enough of it to kill target with two shots, if one of them hit the torso, and other - arm. With dum-dum ammo - ok, it will be lethal, but not with any others. Pax, hovever, can kill your target with two hits like that. Even base one. And both guns we're talking about, are accurate enough to hit target with shots from hip, with single-shooting fanning, with a good rate of fire btw, up to 20 meters. Scottfield is a little bit more accurate, but Pax is more powerfull. And with new one Pax, I belive, I will be able to say it has the same accuracy as Scottfield. So, it would be better for using it as double handguns too.

Laughed so hard at Jebediah Ballbag

What if the Pax got a similar fire rate to the Spitfire?

But the Scottfields sight picture is shit so pax is relevant

Thankfully I don't play for the Meta, but for the sake of having fun. As long as my gun look good, sound good, kill the ennemie, then I don't care wich is more powerful. I'm not a sweaty mmr6.

You had me at the outrageous german accents. Keep up the good work. 10/10.

Given how long the pistol was used in our real history it could always get the dolch treatment where it has its own unique ammo type that restores from owo crates. It could have better falloff compared to medium while still not giving long rifles a big pool of bullets like the uppercut does

I wouldn't be surprised if they added a Trueshot Deadeye, Carbine and Carbine Aperture in the future.

THe problem and fix was simple but crytek threw eveything out of the window in the last event when they gave high velo to spitfire. Like you said its soo damn good. Its economic, its fast, it goes fast as a uppercut with not having a problem with ammo pickup. Its just the best pistol in the game atm and by a huge gap. If we could go back in time what I would do is just give the high velo to pax and not give dum dum to spitfire. Imo this would fix most of the problems for medium ammo pistols. Well we have a bigger elşephent in the room thats called dum dum but there is nothing to do at this ponit and they are making it worse by deleting regen shot in PvP . Regen will still be usefull but not in short pvp scenarios. We are going to hit the wall pretty soon and crytek is not slaming breaks instead they are going faster with or with out seeing the aproaching wall. I dont know what crytek is donig at this point I stoped thinking since sumemr event since stupid decisions started then but they were harmless but the last and the new update gun bllance wise are hurting the game quiet a lot.

This is becoming more of a problem with variant bloat in general. Alot of stuff gets outmodded by the shear weight of new stuff and the specialization it covers. It no longer is a question of two guns with strengths and weaknesses you measure and pick due to preference or need. But one is often times just being superior outright to the other. Its a bit of a shame cause the arsenal of Hunt is pretty cool and to reduce and essentially kick to the curb any of these firearms is just a waste.

If not empty, the Scottfield reloads slower than the Pax and it takes significantly longer to add 1 bullet to the cylinder than the Pax, meaning it's worse in a pinch. Not very relevant since your point hinges on the great variants the Scottfield has. Also, FMJ only taking away 30 muzzle velocity on medium ammo? Pretty good if you're aiming for long range shots... Then again they gave high velocity to the Scottfield instead!

Personally I prefer the packs not because I think it's necessarily the cool out of the box option but because I'm used to the iron sights and I actually really like the sight picture on them in general and I also find the spread just to feel better in actual practice especially when I use Fanning if I end up getting it as a random role on a legendary since I don't usually choose it myself in my own volition and I also prefer them dual wielding. Personally the way that Scott Field handles and it's General field just ends up feeling wrong and not really working out for me and I do way better when I use the pax with for me also I personally don't find the Spitfire to be that big a deal mostly because most people can't hit two shots to save their life what's the way to Scott Field handles and so it's always way easier to just tap them twice with a slightly slower shots from the packs which actually also helped improve my aim from shot to shot because I'm not spraying and praying basically.

I don't agree that the meta will always be long ammo. The bow was meta for months before hundred hands got nerfed. Same goes for double explosive Springfields and slate slugs,double sparks pistol and avto and even recently with semi auto vet all before the nerfs. Im on console so it might be a bit different but i don't think the meta is as stagnant as most people say.

I don't think it can be fixed as I think it should not be fixed. I don't mean that "Forget the pax it doesn't need anything", no, it needs some love like the new version of it now, but you can't do much more than that and trying will just make things worse. There are some guns that are meant to be this way, because the meta is the meta, and everyone plays what everyone likes, I personally like the pax look more than scottfield so yeah there's that xD

Pax has better sight, and pleasent sight in this game means A LOT

Sadly true. Scotfield unlocked off rip, outperforms it, and gets better ammo types. Then you unlock the spitfire, and the PAX cant touch it without an 8 point fanning perk, and even then it's not even equal. I don't know why they gave scotfield the HV, and then proceeded to snatch the only thing special the PAX had by giving it dumdum rounds. At least the update will unlock all guns at level 1, but there still wont be much of a reason to use it with the scotfield right there. Its my favorite sidearm, and I've landed some insane shots with it, but the bleed loadouts were the only reason to pick it over the scotfield, and thats no longer the case. Spitfire nerf incoming, I'm calling it now.

Interesting fact about Pax and scottfield reload - the pax actually reloads faster on partial reloads. The stat in the tooltip shows empty reload speed because scotty on empty reloads empties all empty casings at once therefore skipping the lengthy animation of 'remove one load one.' Not that it makes the issue in video any different, I just like to nitpick stuff :)

I can absolutely see them working in trueshot deadeye variant if dolch deadeye proves to be ok enough

My first time ranking up before prestige was the only time I’ve ever leveled the Scottfield up at all. I usually don’t even get the uppercut unlocked because I prefer the pax that much to all the other Caldwell variants. Would rather have a gun that feels good and handles well the whole time than struggle through unlocking uppercut before prestige again the next week.

Every gun can headshot. Studs will use the pax just for the sound.

Pax duel wield is good with the cenni short. That is its only advantage I can see over the schottfield as I find the schottfield very bad at duel wielding.

I've been saying it for ages but now that Crytek is giving dumdum out like candy, they really needs to make regen shots counter weak bleeding and slow down intense bleeding. Or, decrease the time it takes to stop intense bleeding. Or, make fire damage cauterize the wound.

Pax is one of my favorite pistols in the game, always have been, not because its good, not because its bad, but because it looks like it does, is a real cowboy gun! (aka Peacemaker) and I have one RL and love it!

I always choose pax until quest want me to play something else

I think there are still some loadouts for the pax: shotgun + pax it's a pretty solid option, it's cheaper than the uppercut, better RoF and, most importantly, better ammo replenish. The spitfire has more sway and less muzzle velocity, so i prefer the pax for that niche. Maybe the trueshot will replace the pax, we'll see

I agree i love the pax and it was before the scotfield my first when i play shotgun. However the first step is to adjust the damage drop from compact and medium ammo then we can make the pax good again. What you say is right about the variants of the scotfield and the original pax but the pax will got variants that make the original one "useless" same as the scotfield original because why should i play the normal scotfield when i got two much better variants and the same will happend to the normal pax, the pax trueshot is the first step. I think crytek dont what to adjust the medium in between compact and long because then the medium ammo is a really good alternative to long ammo. For me the pax will get more variants and im totally fine with it and i dont think a pax carbine will be "fix" it. I would like to something competly new to the pax as a variants

Many weapons have always been irrelevant, they're just the cheaper option. Martini, Nagant, Springfield, Centennial, all melee weapons, etc. Sometimes that is their only possible niche and they were added for that purpose.

How does it feel to be so wrong?

the pax does seem like a after thought. even the hit box for the claw is funky. a horse should not be hard to stab

Pax Claw is great for me imo. But Pax vs Uppercut should be exactly like Vetterli vs Mosin -> ie, same damage just different ammo type (both should down a bar-less Hunter in CQC) Ammo reserves should be 2.5 reloads for Medium Sidearms. Only 2 reloads is too tough for "compact+" bullets, unless they buff the dmg drop off to 30m

Been playing since October 2020 and 3500 hours later I can say it's still a good gun to use

Give the Pax some more velocity :)

The only good argument I've heard from anyone in regards to the Pax is that it can consistently 1 leg and 1 arm in it's range window, which when paired with FMJ makes it more consistent at getting fanning kills at short to medium ranges. We all know the pain of getting a double hitmarker fanning on the Conversion / Scottfield.

good video Allen! excellent compiling of thought.

go into your recording software, click "Input volume" And crank that shit up, cause dear god you are too quiet.

I like the pax for head shots with crossbow

Trueshot Deadeye would be a nice addition, just saying.